Too powerful?

[Mikl C]

Do you think Iceman's potential is too great for him to be written effectively and function as part of the team?
Ice-god is unimaginably powerful in a range of different ways, and almost totally indestructable.
So basically, do you think they should keep writing him as less effective than he could be, or expland his powers and have him pulling off some real damage.

I kinda prefer him with limits, heroes who can't be beat are kinda annoying.

[Nyssane]

I definitely agree -- they really need to tone him down a bit. It's like he's whipping new powers out of his nether regions.

[Omega Alpha]

I think he's being written correctly now- very powerful, but still not not invencible or too powerful to be on the team. But, yeah, i agree that at his top potential, he would probably be.

[Pro]

I think they should make him into a talking snowball for a while .. no specific reason.

"Throw me, throw me!!".

Seriously, as long as he is vulnerable they can write him fairly powerfull. If he can be shattered it matters less that he can't die of it as long as it takes him out of the fight. Opponents matter as well with regard to his relative power.

[Frodo-X]

I think the only way they can have him really hit his potential is if he turns bad. As long as he's on the team, they can't let him get too strong or you'll wonder why the rest of them are even there.

But as a baddie, he can go nuts because it'll be him against the X-men. Sorta like the Dark Phoenix, only without the Shi'ar and the constant dying.

[Jeff-E]

Personally I like the idea of the IceGodUberpowerfullcandoalmostanything Iceman, but with the problem being that with all that power Bobby Drake just isn't disciplined and smart enough to fully utilize those powers. I kind of thought of him like Pip the Troll with the space gem, lots of untapped potential because the weilder of the power just isn't good enough. I like Iceman he's one of my favorite Xmen, but he doesn't have much self control.

[The Fury]

Iceman's powers are an odd thing. Everyone always says about how powerful he could be and how he has potential to be so much more but rarely is.

But do we really want him to reach that potential. If we do all of a sudden the X-men have a god on their team. Like Jean was with her powers as Phoenix, no battle was really out of their reach because of her.

Iceman would very much be the same. At the moment he has limits and limits that are connected to his mental problems whatever they may be. For some reason he is holding back and not reachign that potential, but I think that fact he has that block makes him a better character. He hides behind jokes, while he fears, maybe, of what he is capable of. This is very much sown in his confrontation with Emma Frost in Uncanny 331.

[Kaos]

I think the only way they can have him really hit his potential is if he turns bad. As long as he's on the team, they can't let him get too strong or you'll wonder why the rest of them are even there.

But as a baddie, he can go nuts because it'll be him against the X-men. Sorta like the Dark Phoenix, only without the Shi'ar and the constant dying.

yeah...but could you really see Iceman going all bad?

[Darkwave]

For some reason he is holding back and not reachign that potential, but I think that fact he has that block makes him a better character.

I have a theory that Professor X long ago realized just how dangerous Bobby could be, and did a little "mental nudging" to encourage Bobby to be the character he is today. As long as Bobby's too immature to realize his potential, the world is a safer place.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I don't think he's being written as some kind of 'Ice-god,' just closer to where he should have been for a good many years. I really think that Mike Carey has got a good handle on him just now. Certainly the best character work he has had for a good many years, that's for sure. And his powers are a nbig part of that.

[Mitsaso]

I think that, while Bobby is very powerful and nearly indestructable, he's not omnipotent or unbeateble/immortal.

Don't forget that he can be killed when in human form (if he doesn't get the time to ice up), and when in ice form the thermite bullets that took out Sangre in X-Men #193 should work nicely on Bobby as well. It worked in water's liquid, form, so why not on ice?

Therefore, Bobby can be only beaten in a chemical sense.:p

[The Fury]

It worked in water's liquid, form, so why not on ice?

Therefore, Bobby can be only beaten in a chemical sense.:p
But already Iceman has moved far beyond that. While his character was litterally abused by some writers lately, power increases were shown and he became a lot more powerful.

I started a thread long ago about immortal X-men and him and Chamber were my main 2 candidates. At the time, Iceman was in perminant ice form and as such be could be shattered into a thousand pieces and just reform together. But he at the time could not change back. If he stayed fully iced all the time he would be immortal (as long as no unforseen events change things...you know Earth being destoryed, somoene killing his mind, things like that).

After his power outage then him finding powers again, he has been been reduced to nothing but the gas form of water yet still reformed and changed back into his human form after when even this was a struggle not 3 years ago in the MU.

[Mikl C]

I have a theory that Professor X long ago realized just how dangerous Bobby could be, and did a little "mental nudging" to encourage Bobby to be the character he is today. As long as Bobby's too immature to realize his potential, the world is a safer place.

God not more things for people to hate on Chuck for :(

[The Surrealist]

I think Iceman should be melted down once and for all and the water turned into steam: he is the original X-Man I like least. :evilsmile

[Mikl C]

I think Iceman should be melted down once and for all and the water turned into steam: he is the original X-Man I like least. :evilsmile

Have fun at Iceman week.

[Enigmanaut]

[QUOTE=Pro]I think they should make him into a talking snowball for a while .. no specific reason.

"Throw me, throw me!!".

/QUOTE]


But then, the X-Men visit hell!

"Oh, no! I don't have a chance!!!"

[Darkwave]

God not more things for people to hate on Chuck for :(

True. I guess "amoral Charlie" has been done a little too much recently. ;)

[The Fury]

God not more things for people to hate on Chuck for :(
Sounds a bit too much like the movie with Jean doesn't it? Besides of course if he did it to save not only Bobby but others as well, there is nothing wrong with it.

[twilight]

It definately seems that in their search for a character for Bobby they wound up amping his powers up a little too much instead.

But regardless it should be fine for now.
Anymore powerful than he is now and I think then we'll have a problem.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It definately seems that in their search for a character for Bobby they wound up amping his powers up a little too much instead.

I really don't see that. It's just a natural progression of his power. There have been several periods where Iceman has tried doing new things with his power, this is just another new phase. I think that maybe believing that he had lost his power completely has given him a new vigour with it now that he has completely got it back.

[negation]

I think this was the Genie that Joe Q should have put back in the bottle. There are now way to many alpha level mutants or even extremly powerful ones. What made the Phonex story work so well was that a human was not meant to handle such power, it was part of what drove her to become dark Phoenex ( between 101 & 137)

We now have mutants who can rewrite reality ( Scarlet Which ) or create pocket realities ( franklyn ) and even Ice Man is now being treated as an Alpha level Mutant.

Ridiculous, one of the things that seperated the original X-men from the Inhumans was level of power ( and another was degree of non human apperance, no of the original X-men were that different )

[Cayman]

Do you think Iceman's potential is too great for him to be written effectively and function as part of the team?
Ice-god is unimaginably powerful in a range of different ways, and almost totally indestructable.
So basically, do you think they should keep writing him as less effective than he could be, or expland his powers and have him pulling off some real damage.

I kinda prefer him with limits, heroes who can't be beat are kinda annoying.

I'd like him to be able to disassemble himself in one place and recreate himself somewhere else like Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.

[Pro]

I'd like him to be able to disassemble himself in one place and recreate himself somewhere else like Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.

AoA iceman could do something similar, even taking others along. It was considered too fatigueing and they ended up teleporting with Exodus instead.

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman is the only character within the Marvel universe that can do what he does. And if that's the case, then he should be the best at that element. After all, how can he lead by example to the students if he can't even master his own abilities.

I say let him go all out, and have him do things with ALL forms of moisture. Even the non-conventional forms of moisture. Such as things with moisture, but not a direct source of water.

1) I mean, can oil be frozen? If not, can the moisture be extracted from it?... 2) Can he remove the mosture contents of an egg without breaking the shell? 3) Can he disperse himself into a hurricane and stop it?
4) If he can sense all forms of moisture, can he detect life forms within a large body of water?
5) If he reconstituted himself with pure mineral water, or even tainted/poisoned water, what kind of effects would that have on his physiology?

Things like that.