Cable & the New Xmen

[Superboy Sr]

After what has happen in the New Xmen has any one thought that Cable should be in charge of the students?

[Omega Alpha]

:confused: Of course not. The last thing you would want do is to give a self-proclamed messiah who took over two nations children for him to discipline and form his own little cult. Second, he is not a teacher; he trained the New Mutants for battle only, and they still already had plenty of training before him. And for battle/tactical training, Cyclops can do it just as well; that is, if the Kyle and Yost actually bothered to show anyone other than Emma Frost teaching the New X-men, which they don't seem to be interested; Cyclops, Beast, etc, and even Emma are just there to be incompetent and make the kids look great by having Nimrod jobbing to them.

[The Lucky One]

Sure... 'cause things turned out so well when he did that to the New Mutants.
:rolleyes:

-D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

:confused: Of course not. The last thing you would want do is to give a self-proclamed messiah who took over two nations children for him to discipline and form his own little cult. Second, he is not a teacher; he trained the New Mutants for battle only, and they still already had plenty of training before him. And for battle/tactical training, Cyclops can do it just as well; that is, if the Kyle and Yost actually bothered to show anyone other than Emma Frost teaching the New X-men, which they don't seem to be interested; Cyclops, Beast, etc, and even Emma are just there to be incompetent and make the kids look great by having Nimrod jobbing to them.

They got lucky against Nimrod and had Forge's help pretty much. That was what we saw. In all....the arc rocked and its about the kids anyhow.

[rwsmith]

Definitely not. We've been there, done that. While I'm not a fan of Cable's current messiah direction, it is something different, and I'm interested to see where it will lead at least.

I'm actually wondering if this whole messiah kick Cable is on will have something to do with this big X-over next summer. Perhaps he takes things too far (like in the Burnt Offering) and becomes the X-men's next big nemesis?

[Omega Alpha]

They got lucky against Nimrod and had Forge's help pretty much. That was what we saw. In all....the arc rocked and its about the kids anyhow.

New X-men defeating Nimrod = Young Avengers defeating Ultron = :rolleyes:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

New X-men defeating Nimrod = Young Avengers defeating Ultron = :rolleyes:

But its not as simple as they went into a battle and beat Nimrod. They showed up and possibly could have signed their death warrents by attacking and making the Sentinal change back to hunt mode.

Plus as much b-tching this board made when Yost and Kyle teased another death ( they didn't...it was a swerve to hype the conclusion of the arc) I really didn't see many happy. Because at the end of the arc as Nimrod had nearly kicked the entire young teams ass til Forge and them came up with the time plan ( I feel Yost & Kyle will do something there down the line) Jullian delivered a good X-Moment .

This series gets trashed for I don't know what reason. The un-predictableness in the X-Universe is slim. New X-Men is the series that you really don't know how long each character will be around since they could die " snaps finger " like that. Plus it really seems to use lots of characters from the X-Men's past now.

[caney]

New X-men defeating Nimrod = Young Avengers defeating Ultron = :rolleyes:

When did the Young Avengers do this? :confused:

[Affinity]

Sure... 'cause things turned out so well when he did that to the New Mutants.
:rolleyes:

-D
Lol, my thoughts exactly. Didn't we already do this plot?

[Arrjay]

Been there. Done that.

And it definitely isn't worth re-doing.

[Omega Alpha]

When did the Young Avengers do this? :confused:

Never, but it would be the same thing.

And, actually, a team of teenage C-listers defeated Ultron in Runaways.:mad:


This series gets trashed for I don't know what reason. The un-predictableness in the X-Universe is slim. New X-Men is the series that you really don't know how long each character will be around since they could die " snaps finger " like that. Plus it really seems to use lots of characters from the X-Men's past now.

Killing characters is not creativity, it's actually a sign it is lacking.

[Affinity]

And, actually, a team of teenage C-listers defeated Ultron in Runaways.

Well the Runaways tired him out a bit and then (Darkhawk?) went uber on Ultron and defeated him. So it's not like Nico's diamond trick took him out of the fight.

[Omega Alpha]

Well the Runaways tired him out a bit and then (Darkhawk?) went uber on Ultron and defeated him. So it's not like Nico's diamond trick took him out of the fight.

Still, this is the robot which destroyed a nation in 3 or 4 hours and made the corpses his cyborg slaves, and always gave serious problems, and often even defeated, the Avengers, with Thor, Scarlet Witch, etc. The thing is, if these big threats keep being defeated (or jobbing to) by teenage groups, they are no longer threats to the older, more experienced and more powerful ones.

[Michael P]

Still, this is the robot which destroyed a nation in 3 or 4 hours and made the corpses his cyborg slaves, and always gave serious problems, and often even defeated, the Avengers, with Thor, Scarlet Witch, etc. The thing is, if these big threats keep being defeated (or jobbing to) by teenage groups, they are no longer threats to the older, more experienced and more powerful ones.
The Ultron in Runaways was an earlier version who'd been rebuilt out of substandard parts by a drifter. No adamantium, no molecular rearranger.

[Affinity]

The Ultron in Runaways was an earlier version who'd been rebuilt out of substandard parts by a drifter. No adamantium, no molecular rearranger.
Ohh. I missed that. I don't have the earlier Runaways issues with me.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Killing characters is not creativity, it's actually a sign it is lacking.

Lets just say that it jump started things. It kicked things into another gear altogethor now. The event of Stryker trying to take out the school was something following M-Day that set the new tone for this series. No one is safe and you could die at a moments notice.

Do I miss Tag and Wallflower ? Yeah but they were casualties in a war that has started for the young mutants. I'm sure people were angry when Claremont did the Mutant Massacre arc.

[cable guy]

I'm actually wondering if this whole messiah kick Cable is on will have something to do with this big X-over next summer. Perhaps he takes things too far (like in the Burnt Offering) and becomes the X-men's next big nemesis?

I've been wondering that myself, for a while now.

[Zombienorthstar]

If anyone should be the new mentor for the New X-Men it should be Forge...he already has a relationship with the kids and hes got the right sort of attitude...the real question would be who should be his foil? (holds ears for the deafening cry of 'Storm' from the CBR masses)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

If anyone should be the new mentor for the New X-Men it should be Forge...he already has a relationship with the kids and hes got the right sort of attitude...the real question would be who should be his foil? (holds ears for the deafening cry of 'Storm' from the CBR masses)

David would be the foil. I'd bring back his mutant ability and let the 2 play off each other in adviser type roles.

[Christopher O]

Killing characters is not creativity, it's actually a sign it is lacking.
No, actually it's not. Read some classic literature or go see a play or watch a critically acclaimed film. They use death too, as it's a part of life.

[Omega Alpha]

No, actually it's not. Read some classic literature or go see a play or watch a critically acclaimed film. They use death too, as it's a part of life.

In New X-men's case, i guarantee you that is not the same of Madame Bovary or Vertigo, is just lack of creativity and for shock value.

[Affinity]

I lol'd at the end of Hamlet. Everyone just...died.

[Sentinel K]

Sometimes one needs to destroy in order to create something better.

= New X-Men IMO.

[Christopher O]

In New X-men's case, i guarantee you that is not the same of Madame Bovary or Vertigo, is just lack of creativity and for shock value.
No, you can't guarantee that. We've already been told that this creative team wanted to up the ante. They wanted to do more than mutant prom and domestic drama, and this was the perfect jumpstart. They've created risk and raised the stakes for these kids. It's an effective tool for drama, and we've actually seen some ramifications these deaths are having on the characters, such as Wither and Elixir, and you don't know that we won't see more, and that alone invalidates the whole "shock value" argument.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Sometimes one needs to destroy in order to create something better.

= New X-Men IMO.

In that case look at Jullian then.....and now. He showcased how far he's willing to go for someone. Would he had done this at one point for someone other than Sofia ? I doubt it , but here he kicks ass to do it. :)

[Madrox84]

I'd like to see Forge mentoring the kids, i liked his appearances in the last 12 issues and i'd like to see him appear more often.

I'd also quite like to see Karma teaching/mentoring the kids, i think she'd do a very good job.

[Green Arrow Jr.]

After what has happen in the New Xmen has any one thought that Cable should be in charge of the students?
I have to agree the New Xmen need a teacher like Cable, If he was there do you think that Stryker would have would have been able to kill as many students as he did?
Cable trained the New Mutants to adjust and adapt to any situation that came along without or with powers.

[Nstar83]

I see Cable leading them switching them to a more militiary enforcement theme.New X-Men are Students First X-Men Second.I think thats what makes the book different is that theme.Cable needs to give up on the world messiah thing ina year or so with something earth shattering in the X-verse an re boot X-Force I am always going to be a huge supporter of Emmas firm manipulative way of preparing her little scholar mutants,i think its one of the main reasons i read the book.

[Omega Alpha]

No, you can't guarantee that. We've already been told that this creative team wanted to up the ante. They wanted to do more than mutant prom and domestic drama, and this was the perfect jumpstart. They've created risk and raised the stakes for these kids. It's an effective tool for drama, and we've actually seen some ramifications these deaths are having on the characters, such as Wither and Elixir, and you don't know that we won't see more, and that alone invalidates the whole "shock value" argument.

Well, i can.:D They killed barely any powered New X-man or any of their pet characters, they just got rid of those depowered or the ones they weren't interested. Do you relly thought they would get rid of Hellion or they beloved X-23? The only thing they did was to make the X-men look like incompetent assh*les, and their pet characters looking cool, because after all, they can take down Nimrod and the adults can't stop Stryker:rolleyes: If they wanted to move the NXM from the mutant prom thing, just move them on, by killing the characters you're not interested in is just incompetence and for shock value.

[Christopher O]

by killing the characters you're not interested in is just incompetence and for shock value.
Incompetent? That's insulting and unnecessary.

[Omega Alpha]

Incompetent? That's insulting and unnecessary.

OK: lack of immagination and creativity. That's better?

[rwsmith]

I see Cable leading them switching them to a more militiary enforcement theme.New X-Men are Students First X-Men Second.I think thats what makes the book different is that theme.Cable needs to give up on the world messiah thing ina year or so with something earth shattering in the X-verse an re boot X-Force I am always going to be a huge supporter of Emmas firm manipulative way of preparing her little scholar mutants,i think its one of the main reasons i read the book.

To be honest, the X-men team Cable is on now seems pretty X-Force like. Just look at the way they dealt with the Children of the Vault in the last issue!

It does seem weird, however, to see a militant team like this and have Cable not leading it. Playing the role of grunt never seemed his style, but he did it before when Sam took over X-Force and Cable chose to follow his lead, so why not now? I just hope Rogue will turn to him from time to time for tactical advice, as he's been in combat for pretty much his entire life and thus knows a lot more than she does about commanding troops in battle.

[Zombienorthstar]

I cant wait to see Sam tell both Cable and Cyclops off. Theres nothing that makes me tingle more than when Sam the proverbial 'good boy' just goes 'up yours' to people hes respected for years.

[Omega Alpha]

To be honest, the X-men team Cable is on now seems pretty X-Force like. Just look at the way they dealt with the Children of the Vault in the last issue!

It does seem weird, however, to see a militant team like this and have Cable not leading it. Playing the role of grunt never seemed his style, but he did it before when Sam took over X-Force and Cable chose to follow his lead, so why not now? I just hope Rogue will turn to him from time to time for tactical advice, as he's been in combat for pretty much his entire life and thus knows a lot more than she does about commanding troops in battle.

Well, it does make sense that Rogue is leading because Cable only joined after the team was formed. But, yeah, Rogue should definitively be turning to Cable for tactical advice, if not, is like having Beast on the team and not turn to him when you have a scientific question. If she doesn't listen to him, i would like to see them she going wrong and Cable saying "i told you so".