Ultimate Power 2

[sephirothskiller]

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Basically there's fighting... Lots of it. The FF fight the Supreme gang, who can't talk right and don't have proper powers yet. Then Kitty and Peter stumble along and join the fight too. Then the Ultimates join in. Scarlet Witch shows the world she can only use her powers while posing sexily. Kitty calls the X-Men and her phone becomes daisies. Spiderman says "I love this girl" about Kitty. The X-Men show up in a rediculous blaze of glory and say kitchy things like "You Can Thank The X-Men!" Kitty seems happy. For some reason Rogue looks like she's flying as opposed to falling like she should be. The Supreme gang can speak again and get into a squabble. Of course the other heroes just stand around and watch them fight instead of taking advantage of the situation. Reed is charged with Crimes against humanity. Apparently he destroyed the Supreme Gang's world when he sent a probe there. Shocked faces are made by all.

[robbrooks78]

This is one of the crappiest comics I've read in a long time (although admittedly, I only read 1 or 2 a week.). Bad enough Land uses the same pics in multiple issues of his comics, but he's also usuing the same pic in the same issue. There's a few shots of Hyperion (not really sure if that's his name, dont' really follow Suadrom Supreme) with his head tipped back yelling, and its the exact same picture. That stuff just pisses me off. Lazy.

Other than that, the panels were too confusing. It was just a pretty dull fight scene the whole way through. We don't find out anything until the last page or two.

[gliderpilotgirl]

Same thing here. It was one of the crappiest comics I've read in a long time, Even the current 616 comics ( especially Sensational ) beat the pants off of it.
It was one big brawl, with Kitty and Spidey being gleefully toted like two new toys the whole issue. " look how cool we are!" then the Ultimates and X-Men showing up in blazes of glory, "behold our awesomeness!" ( those are the thoughts I have had ) It was a waste of $4 and I won't make the same mistake twice. I am a huge fan of Bendis's, but this was not his issue.

[Mike Marino]

While I'm not the biggest fan of photo-realistic art in the first place this issue frustrated me because it seemed like every single panel was filled with some ultra stiff, unneccesary pose by multiple characters. Even for Land there was a lot of this.

I think with a different artist this could have been a pretty fun action issue.

[Sparda]

While I'm not the biggest fan of photo-realistic art in the first place this issue frustrated me because it seemed like every single panel was filled with some ultra stiff, unneccesary pose by multiple characters. Even for Land there was a lot of this.

I think with a different artist this could have been a pretty fun action issue.
In future issues that I know of, some other artist is taking over. Same goes for bendis.

[Cayman]

I like it. Thought it was a lot of fun. I enjoyed Blur racing down the side of the building racing against Hyperion's falling body.

I was concerned about Pietro not appearing though.

[Mike Marino]

In future issues that I know of, some other artist is taking over. Same goes for bendis.

Wow that's interesting. I just assumed this project was one of those like Civil War where the creative team stays together throughout. Weird.

[brundlefly]

A relatively obligatory and pointless issue-long fight scene and still no sign of Emil Burbank? :mad: Bah. Two knocks against it; my interest in this title is waning. But the notion of a different creative team is intriguing, so I may stick it out. Is this still supposed to run nine issues?

[Nick MB]

In future issues that I know of, some other artist is taking over. Same goes for bendis.

The nine issues are being divided between Bendis, JMS and Loeb, with each doing a block of three, in that order.

The art, however, I think is meant to be by Land throughout.

[gorthon616]

A relatively obligatory and pointless issue-long fight scene and still no sign of Emil Burbank? :mad: Bah. Two knocks against it; my interest in this title is waning. But the notion of a different creative team is intriguing, so I may stick it out. Is this still supposed to run nine issues?

Yeah. It did seem very pointless. Outside of the fact that it is not demonstrably bad and my generally preference for seeing an arc through, I really have no desire to see it through. Right now it's running on pure hype, crossover appeal, and not much else.

[Cayman]

The nine issues are being divided between Bendis, JMS and Loeb, with each doing a block of three, in that order.

The art, however, I think is meant to be by Land throughout.

That's how I understood it to work as well.

[Powerboy]

The nine issues are being divided between Bendis, JMS and Loeb, with each doing a block of three, in that order.

The art, however, I think is meant to be by Land throughout.

I thought the first part was pretty good.

I knew they would have to either ignore the overwhelmingly greater power level of most of the Supreme Power gang or come up with some way around it. Once Hyperion was back to full power, I personally could not believe Ultimate Thor or Thing standing up to even one punch from him- unless we assume that they are more powerful than the official bios claim.

That aside, it was basically a running fight scene this time. But I'm waiting for JMS's three issues, which I'm guessing will get very story/ dialogue/ idea driven.

[Van Custo]

I'm just sick of the Marvel heroes getting their ass kicked anytime there's a crossover with "their counterparts" from another universe. First Thor gets beat like a b*tch in JLA/Avengers, now Hyperion is smacking him around. It's not so much that he lost but it's just crappy use of such apowerfull character. They keep emphasising he's a God, but he' the same as any of the other heroes when it gets down to the action. Even Dr. Spectrum did a better job against Hyperion in Supreme Power.

[Jeff F]

Ultimate Ant-Man!

I always knew the Ultimates would take Hank back:)

Unless they just stole his technology.

[sephirothskiller]

I guess I should give my opinion... I didn't mind it actually. I liked the Nihlistic "world destroyed" thing at the end. I hope that this gets a good flesh out... Could be pretty sweet. I just hope they don't end up "united against a common enemy!" I did like a bit of the interaction between characters. The plot was stupid though. Land could be good if it wasn't for his stupid poses. I stand by the fact that Scarlet Witch can only use her powers while posing sexily.

[Shonuff]

I guess I'd be more critical of this book if I was actually buying it (a friend of mine is buying it and I just read his issues) but it was fun, shallow as a kiddie pool, but fun.

[Omega Alpha]

Lame issue. I think that write so much stuff at the same time is not being good for Bendis' head.

[The Foreigner]

I'm ashamed to admit I actually enjoyed the hell out of this issue. Definately some problems here and there, but for the most part I thought it was pretty strong for an all-action issue.

The most intruging thing about it, though, is now I'm incredibly curious where the story is gonna go. We've had a huge battle with all of the major players in issue two-- With seven issues left, how is this all going to tie into the Serpent Squad and all of those other little nuggets from the first issue?

I won't deny that this issue was incredibly dumb. But I'm still holding on to this one to see where things go from here.

Although, I will say that not including Emil Burbank is one of the biggest f***ups in comic history.

[brundlefly]

Although, I will say that not including Emil Burbank is one of the biggest f***ups in comic history.

Thank you, Foreigner. I thought I was the only one wanting to see Emil out-braniac Ultimate Reed, particularly now that Reed's experiment fubar'd the Squadron's planet and Emil could be all condescending with "now see, boy, that wouldn't have happened had I been the one conducting the experiment."

[Haunt]

i'd love to see Emil show up. it could still happen.

[Magneto Rocks]

Did no-one else feel pretty pervy after the gratuitous up-Kitty's-skirt shot on one of the first pages? :p

[The Foreigner]

Thank you, Foreigner. I thought I was the only one wanting to see Emil out-braniac Ultimate Reed, particularly now that Reed's experiment fubar'd the Squadron's planet and Emil could be all condescending with "now see, boy, that wouldn't have happened had I been the one conducting the experiment."

Haha, exactly. This issue would have been gold if Emil had been standing there watching everyone else beat the hell out of each other.

I sure hope you're right, Haunt.

[NMoline]

I was just happy to see Indiana get some love and even more important downtown Indianapolis! Got to love seeing the hometown!

[larroca fan]

If greg land drew ugly women you would all complain. he draws nice looking women u moan. If alan davis of david cockrom drew women like land you would'nt complain. i think i'd reather have wanda looking like that than some ugly fat person.
I know he traces but who cares it looks cool, and he does do a hell of a good job on tracing you have to admit that.

anyway i love greg's art in this issue, he draws (or traces which ever you like) my favourite thor, the ultimate thor he draw is awesome. his kitty looked cool but i understand the skirt situation, but if ur not dirty minded then you would'nt think of a comic character sexuialy.
well i thought the writing was O.K but i thought it was a really nice battle issue and i loved it, normally i just look at lands art and them standing around which still looks nice but the fight was awesome.

[Omega Alpha]

If greg land drew ugly women you would all complain. he draws nice looking women u moan. If alan davis of david cockrom drew women like land you would'nt complain. i think i'd reather have wanda looking like that than some ugly fat person.
I know he traces but who cares it looks cool, and he does do a hell of a good job on tracing you have to admit that.

The problem is not if women are ugly or not, but the fact that they all look exactly the same, just changing the hair and the eyes color.

And, yes, if Davis or Cockrum drew women like Land we would still complain.

[megabyte01]

finally got a copy. i think i'll use spidey's favorite word to describe the issue: meh. it was a big long fight scene. since this is a big crossover story, it was inievitable that all the major ultimate universe players would come out to play. it seemed like the dialogue was written in to describe the panels, not the panels being drawn to accentuate the dialouge. still, it was kinda funny in places. don't get so hung up people!

incidently, anyone want to place a guess as to when this takes place in the ultimate timeline?

[Toboe]

I liked this issue overall as well. It's been a while since we haven't had a cool Spidey-Kitty scene actually, so it was nice to have them together in this issue. Loved the way the Ultimates and the X-Men showed up, and the fight was entertaining.
However, I must admit I don't know a thing about the Squadron Supreme and I don't really care about them so that's making me not like this so much.
As for where it is located in the time line, it looks like it's after the Clone Saga in USM, hence the comment Spider-Man made to the Fantastic Four about owning them a lot. I really hope it's after the Clone Saga, that would mean Peter remains with Kitty Pryde as a girlfriend, I don't want him to go back to MJ (at least so soon). I suppose it's post-Ultimates 2 as well, since the Widow's gone and maybe in the final issue Thor and Ant-Man will get back into the team. Don't know about Fury's arm, though... And he didn't referenced the Liberators attack in the last issue so who knows.
I'm having troubles placing in UXM too. In the Cable arc Kitty is seriously considering leaving the X-Men but here she's telling everyone that she loves being on a team, so it's either before Cable or if it's after then somewhere between the arc she realizes she loves being an X-Woman.
But where the heck is Colossus?
And apparently it is incredibly hard for Bendis to acknowledge that Ultimate Rogue doesn't fly. Come on, first it was Bagley, now Land, someone's really not paying attention... If this is after the Cable arc or at least after the Annual (Nightcrawler's absent as well), then Rogue must have lost Gambit's habilities already, then why does she keep wearing her new uniform that shows all that skin? If her absortion powers are back wouldn't it be dangerous?

[StoneGold]

Lame issue. I think that write so much stuff at the same time is not being good for Bendis' head.
There's irony in this statement.

[StoneGold]

Did no-one else feel pretty pervy after the gratuitous up-Kitty's-skirt shot on one of the first pages? :p
Yes.




Although I suppose I wouldn't have if I was younger. Course, Land draws her looking older than usual.

[Brother Zag]

A few thoughts...

Greg Land... used to like him. Now he does appear to be getting a little lazy, with obvious stock faces, expressions and poses. Yeah, like Spidey says, "Meh."

Emil Burbank... Do you really think he's "missing"? Come on, people!! More in a bit...

Bendis's writing... BMB is channelling ol' Mark Gruenwald pretty well, in my estimation. The subtle and no-so-subtle references to Gruenwald's old Squadron Supreme crossovers have been fun little easter eggs. And I think you should be able to write a complete sentence, without mispellings, with proper grammar, before you're allowed to criticize someone else's writing...

My caveats... I've been following the new "Squadron" since JMS started the new "Supreme Power" Series (better as a MAX title, IMHO). I was also an old time fan of the "original" Squadron as written by Grue (obviously, I suppose, judging by my earlier comments). This may give me a larger frame of reference by which to judge this new crossover, making it easier to follow. I'm loving it!

At any rate, the discombobulated and confused Squadron appearing in the "mainstream" Marvel U (in this case, the "Ultimate mainstream") recalls their crossover appearances in the past in the 616. Which brings me to Mr. Burbank... and some possible spoilers, so beware...

In the original Squadron Supreme stories, The Serpent Crown was used in the Squadron's universe to take over the government. The Squadron cross over to enlist the help of the Avengers. They return to the Squadron's world to try to wrest the politicians from the Serpent Crown's control. The Avengers are taken over, and bring the Serpent Crown back to the mainstream universe with them (so there were then 2 Serpent Crowns in the mainstream U, reulting in additional hilarity).

Interestingly enough, in the original stories Emil Burbank was NOT originally a member of the Squadron (neither was Shape, btw). Burbank was Master Menace, a Lex Luthor analogue, who later teams up with Nighthawk against the rest of the Squadron after they decide to take over their world.

There's also a Defenders crossover where the alien Overmind takes over the Squadron and their world.

So... back to Ultimate Power... I'm thinking that Burbank who's kinda been "Master Mind" (no, not THAT one...), may have somehow created a situation where he's conviced the rest of the Supreme Power Squadron their world has been destroyed, thereby sending them off looking for Reed while Emil does what he likes in the Supreme Power U... maybe by using the Serpent Crown? Becoming "Master Menace"? So that Reed and the other Ultimate U heroes have to travel back to the Squadron's universe to set things right. Just a guess.

[gorthon616]

A few thoughts...

Greg Land... used to like him. Now he does appear to be getting a little lazy, with obvious stock faces, expressions and poses. Yeah, like Spidey says, "Meh."

Emil Burbank... Do you really think he's "missing"? Come on, people!! More in a bit...

Bendis's writing... BMB is channelling ol' Mark Gruenwald pretty well, in my estimation. The subtle and no-so-subtle references to Gruenwald's old Squadron Supreme crossovers have been fun little easter eggs. And I think you should be able to write a complete sentence, without mispellings, with proper grammar, before you're allowed to criticize someone else's writing...

My caveats... I've been following the new "Squadron" since JMS started the new "Supreme Power" Series (better as a MAX title, IMHO). I was also an old time fan of the "original" Squadron as written by Grue (obviously, I suppose, judging by my earlier comments). This may give me a larger frame of reference by which to judge this new crossover, making it easier to follow. I'm loving it!

At any rate, the discombobulated and confused Squadron appearing in the "mainstream" Marvel U (in this case, the "Ultimate mainstream") recalls their crossover appearances in the past in the 616. Which brings me to Mr. Burbank... and some possible spoilers, so beware...

In the original Squadron Supreme stories, The Serpent Crown was used in the Squadron's universe to take over the government. The Squadron cross over to enlist the help of the Avengers. They return to the Squadron's world to try to wrest the politicians from the Serpent Crown's control. The Avengers are taken over, and bring the Serpent Crown back to the mainstream universe with them (so there were then 2 Serpent Crowns in the mainstream U, reulting in additional hilarity).

Interestingly enough, in the original stories Emil Burbank was NOT originally a member of the Squadron (neither was Shape, btw). Burbank was Master Menace, a Lex Luthor analogue, who later teams up with Nighthawk against the rest of the Squadron after they decide to take over their world.

There's also a Defenders crossover where the alien Overmind takes over the Squadron and their world.

So... back to Ultimate Power... I'm thinking that Burbank who's kinda been "Master Mind" (no, not THAT one...), may have somehow created a situation where he's conviced the rest of the Supreme Power Squadron their world has been destroyed, thereby sending them off looking for Reed while Emil does what he likes in the Supreme Power U... maybe by using the Serpent Crown? Becoming "Master Menace"? So that Reed and the other Ultimate U heroes have to travel back to the Squadron's universe to set things right. Just a guess.

Interesting theory. Makes me more interested in the series, honestly.

And.... ::Ahem::

you should be able to write a complete sentence, without mispellings, with proper grammar, before you're allowed to criticize someone else's writing...
It's spelled "misspellings". :p

And to the point about Bendis's writing... It's not "bad," but the big fight scene has been pretty boring all things considered. There was no real sense of emergency in the fight, and it was pretty hockey how everyone showed up in the span of 5 seconds. But again, not saying that it's "bad," but it really doesn't seem to have much going for it besides being a big superhero free-for-all.

[brundlefly]

Emil Burbank... Do you really think he's "missing"? Come on, people!! More in a bit...
Interestingly enough, in the original stories Emil Burbank was NOT originally a member of the Squadron (neither was Shape, btw). Burbank was Master Menace, a Lex Luthor analogue, who later teams up with Nighthawk against the rest of the Squadron after they decide to take over their world.

There's also a Defenders crossover where the alien Overmind takes over the Squadron and their world.

So... back to Ultimate Power... I'm thinking that Burbank who's kinda been "Master Mind" (no, not THAT one...), may have somehow created a situation where he's conviced the rest of the Supreme Power Squadron their world has been destroyed, thereby sending them off looking for Reed while Emil does what he likes in the Supreme Power U... maybe by using the Serpent Crown? Becoming "Master Menace"? So that Reed and the other Ultimate U heroes have to travel back to the Squadron's universe to set things right. Just a guess.

That's an interesting story direction, but I only see that happening if the end result of this whole story is the obligatory "this never happened/none of the characters remembers the crossover." Burbank's inevitable heel-turn on the Squadron is already being foreshadowed in the SQUADRON series and I don't see them wasting a major plot twist for that book in a crossover mini with the Ultimate universe. Plus it would be pretty confusing/anticlimactic for SQUADRON readers who didn't pick up ULTIMATE POWER. "Oh, Burbank already turned on the Squadron over in a crossover miniseries instead of here in the main title." But if they clean-slate everything at the end of this ULTIMATE POWER, then Burbank as the bad guy (possibly teaming up with one of the Ultimate universe villains, since that's the way these things usually work) is certainly a possibility.

[Darkoth]

Yes,the story might have been an all action filler,but damn that Greg Land can render like a fiend.His art is exquisite if a tad too photo-realistic,but it really makes all the difference for me.I really dig the Serpent Squads model make-over in the first ish,I never thought Annocanda could be re-imagined as a hottie,and Princess Python never looked better.So yeah,it's mostly wham bam visuals so far,but I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for the Thing to knock someone into another State.So far what I have seen really excites me,superheroes fighting like they used too in larger than life fashion....definitely brings out the kid in me.

[agrich]

It's a pin-up book. As pin-up books go, it's okay. As a representation of sequential art with one panel following logically from the next and telling a story, it sucks.

I used to like Land. I'd like him more if he just did covers and pinups, because that's all he can do convincingly.

[Darkoth]

Pin up? No,not really. Beautiful drawings yes,and very real storytelling.The expressions on Land's characters simply cannot be better.The second ish is a fight book of course,so there will be less subtlty,nuance,and flow,but its a far cry from an Image or heroes return pin up book from ten years ago.

[agrich]

I'd agree it's better than an Image pinup book, for whatever faint praise that constitutes.

By pinup book I basically mean that one page doesn't really follow from the previous page as you might hope a sequential story would. The characters look pretty on one page and they look pretty on the next, but the two are only vaguely related to each other. I'm not saying you can't enjoy it; I personally did not.

[Butch Mapa]

Hey, I like Bendis and Land, but... Bendis doesn't write action particularly well, and the more characters Land draws, the easier to see his faults (stiffness, repeating shots, etc). So a full Bendis/Land action issue crammed with characters... good way to show off your weaknesses. :(

[negation]

Everyone has their opinions, but I seriously dont understand the land ( or bendis ) hate.

Land-
1) I have a print on my wall from Sojourn ( a troll ) that is fantastic, everyone who sees it ( even if not a comic fan ) loves it. His work on Sojourn was nothing short of amazing.
2) I lved his run of ULT FF, his Thing was incredible, loved his zombies, gave real energy to Namor,I will be all over the HC when it comes out.
3) Ultimate power, the work is so vibrant it nearly jumps off the page.

Bendis-
1) he launched the highly popular Ultimate line ( his Spider Man is the best the best SM I have read in years
2) Allias-was the most popular MAX title ever
3) His new Avengers is the top selling monthly around, the man must be doing something right
4) Yes, I loved HOM also. I thought the story had great power, both written and visually. Its not Benis's fault if editors did not stress the aftereffects from the mini ( although it did have huge ramifications acroos X-titles 7 the New Avengers and helped lead into Cival War.

Are either of them perfect, no. But what creator is, even Kirby had his detractors ( I loved Kirby )

So what if Land traces or references, a lot of his art is hot, so what if Bendis is a master of decompression, a lot of his stories rock.

Come on where is the love??????????????????

by the way, so far I love Ultimate Power and can't wait until I can collect it in HC format

PS, along with New Avengers

[Darkoth]

Well,I was also trying to convince a pal of mine who also has a good eye for art that Ultimate Power looks great,but like many here he felt the book too shallow.Still,I think all of you detractors (specifically of Land) have had too much of a good thing.It's a little like listening to Alex Ross critics complaining over what model he uses to base Captain Marvel or Superman on.:o

[MaxofSteel]

Well,I was also trying to convince a pal of mine who also has a good eye for art that Ultimate Power looks great,but like many here he felt the book too shallow.Still,I think all of you detractors (specifically of Land) have had too much of a good thing.It's a little like listening to Alex Ross critics complaining over what model he uses to base Captain Marvel or Superman on.:o

The Landmeister has talent I'll give him that, and yes like Ross both artists use references for their work.

But the major difference between the two artistically speaking is that while Ross alters his references (making a normal dude look like Superman or Captain M), Land hardly seems to make an effort to alter his references to the characters he's drawing.

I had no problem with Land untill his run on UFF. I saw that one panel with the zombie FF in their jail cell, and recognized an obvious reference to Jessica Alba. Things like this really get to me for some reason. Idunno.

[The Foreigner]

But the major difference between the two artistically speaking is that while Ross alters his references (making a normal dude look like Superman or Captain M), Land hardly seems to make an effort to alter his references to the characters he's drawing.

Actually I think the real major difference between the two is that Alex Ross references photographs that he takes himself, while Land uses photos from magazines and such, which would be copyright infringment.

[MaxofSteel]

Actually I think the real major difference between the two is that Alex Ross references photographs that he takes himself, while Land uses photos from magazines and such, which would be copyright infringment.

Another valid point yea.

[BYC]

Land's stuff is beautiful no doubt, but it's just too much of doing the same. It seems like he's not trying as much as he used to. Every artist has what makes them recognizable, but in his case, far too many women look like clones except for the hair and clothing.

[Darkoth]

Hmmn,some interesting viewpoints on the use of photo references here.Traditionally old school illustrators keep photo references torn from magazines,so what Land is doing is nothing new...and it's not cheating or tracing.("your a tracer" -Chasing Amy);)

What I'm happy about is that artists today are given ample time to produce the best work they possibly can,as talented as our favorites from the past were,still they almost all considered it a grind,churning out the best they could with little given time.Just look at what Steve Epting is doing these days,he's fresh every time because he has the time (and we benifit in having an excellent alternate in Perkins).

As for Land becoming repetative,I think familiarity breeds contempt no matter who it is.If giants like John Buscema or Gil Kane had been around for the enormity of fandom today,they too would hear outcries of becoming too repetitive,when guys like that have simply done it all.

[aniscape]

I am just waiting for the emergence of Ultimate Quasar!!

[IMJ]

I am just waiting for the emergence of Ultimate Quasar!!


I honestly bought Supreme Power #1 solely for the Wendel Vaughn appearence hoping for the same thing. I'll keep reading it to see where it goes with that, but that's my hope for this series.

[Brother Zag]

Aniscape! You, sir, are incorrigible! Lol!

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

Heres something I noticed while reading the book...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/sketchsanchez/Untitled-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/sketchsanchez/Untitled-2.jpg

Now, is it just me....or does Arcanna look like she's getting "effed", if ya know what I mean?

I wont say he traced that or anything, since I got no proof...but thats totally a porno pose.

I'm dropping this book, as much as I like the story shit like this just takes me right out of it, its...distracting. (Theres also a shot of storm, after the x-men arrive, where she looks like she's swimming, not flying, which is again distracting.)

[Agent Helix]

That is a total porno pose. There's no denying it. The legs, the face, everything. That is a woman getting screwed on camera.

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

Yea, pretty much

[Toboe]

And let's not forget the porn faces in UFF...

http://pics.livejournal.com/kphoebe/pic/00032p70

[XPac]

Poor Bendis just can't win (well, he can't win on the internet anyways as he does just fine on the news stands).

People complain when his stuff is all decompressed talking heads without much action. He does a relative 360 here by offering one of the most wall to wall action packed fighting issues we've seen in a long long time and people are now complaining there's too much fighting.

[MaxofSteel]

And let's not forget the porn faces in UFF...

http://pics.livejournal.com/kphoebe/pic/00032p70

Can I just say right now how ANNOYING Johny Storm's hair cut is? He looks like walking Calvin Klein ad in spandex.

[sgt pepper]

This is a perfect example of how a book can be full of action and yet have nothing happen.

The first and second issues combined should have been compressed into one half of a comic, and absolutely nothing would have been lost.

And Land isn't photo referencing. He traces. There's a difference.

[IPW]

Can I just say right now how ANNOYING Johny Storm's hair cut is? He looks like walking Calvin Klein ad in spandex.

Didn't Zombie Torch say the same thing?

[MaxofSteel]

Didn't Zombie Torch say the same thing?

Heheh. Did he? Nice. :p

[tk421atpost]

I guess I'm in the minority here seeing as how I actually enjoyed the issue. Was it great? No, but it was entertaining so it was worth it as far as I was concerned.

[XPac]

I guess I'm in the minority here seeing as how I actually enjoyed the issue. Was it great? No, but it was entertaining so it was worth it as far as I was concerned.

I enjoyed it. It was a big fight. That's cool with me. Would I nominate it for an Eisner? Absolutely not. But it's a crossover event... I'd be more disappointed if they didn't have a big fight. On a superficial level, a big fight is the pay off for doing these. It's the Equivalent of Ultimate DC vs Ultimate Marvel.

It's the mandatory fight before they join forces to overcome the real problem.

[da noble savage]

I liked it it wasn't that bad a issue. I mean of course it was one big fight. None of the supreme guys could talk and there all voilent and proned to fight first and ask questions later. Also to the guy bitching bout thor getting bitchslaped by hyperion he got bitch slaped by ult collus and hyperions way stronger then him and he also had some speed behind that punch,just be happy he got the good shot when his powers where wonky.

[Clobberin' Time]

Greg Lands artwork is outstanding (as usual) even if he does use 'porno poses' :)

Can't wait for the next issue.

[larroca fan]

HMMMM? i not sure if he ddi get that from a porn mag cause marvel must scan around the images for what is drawn on the pages and i don't think marvel would publish it if greg land actually did trace from a porn mag.
he'd be out of a job because its for all ages.

[kel25]

HMMMM? i not sure if he ddi get that from a porn mag cause marvel must scan around the images for what is drawn on the pages and i don't think marvel would publish it if greg land actually did trace from a porn mag.
he'd be out of a job because its for all ages.I don't think they would really fire him for that. After all the character in the drawing is fully clothed.

[carabas]

That's assuming of course that editorial even noticed the pose.
They completely missed that Ultimate Wasp as 'draw' by Land changed ethnicity. And that Rogue apparently can fly now.

[Joe Acro]

And that Rogue apparently can fly now.
That's nothing new. I'd chalk that one up to Bendis. He wrote the last Ultimate story where she was flying.

[Toboe]

Yep, that's what I'm thinking as well, it seems that this only happens under Bendis writing, and then they come up with lame excuses like laying "she was jumping very high" or some crap like that...
I wonder why is it that if her absorbing powers are back she keeps using the new skin-showing uniform?
And why isn't Colossus on the X-Men shot? Perhaps he is the one that bites it in the Cable arc? Or maybe they just forgot about him, since on Bendis' run on UXM he barely appeared and I don't think he even spoke at all.

[Paragon Kobold]

Why does anyone buy Land's books when there is superheroine porn on the internet for free?

[kel25]

Why does anyone buy Land's books when there is superheroine porn on the internet for free?Maybe because they want to read the story and there is no actual porn in Land's books.

[The Foreigner]

Maybe because they want to read the story and there is no actual porn in Land's books.

Oh please! That response is downright sensible! :mad: :rolleyes:

[literally exaggerated]

I love Supreme Power, and have enjoyed Squadron Supreme quite a bit, and even liked most of the minis (though not Dr. Spectrum). I also love the Ultimates.

That said, the first two issues of this have been some of the worst I've read in a long, long time. Simply trash.

[carabas]

Storywise, I think it is pretty decent.
It's the 'art' that is really hard to get past.

[wingsofdamnation]

In future issues that I know of, some other artist is taking over. Same goes for bendis.
thank god bendis is being replaced. i dont know about you guys but i cant stand any of bendis' writing these past few years. the only reason im still reading USM is because im expecting it to pick back up again and i dont want to miss out on the stories between, crappy or not. i dont care that much about Lands tracings/lazy art. to me i just see what i see and dont try to look that far into it as being a lazy drawing or 'that has to be traced' overall i like seeing land's art on a page. he fit perfectly with millars run on UFF which in my opinion was the best run UFF has ever seen. when bendis finally leaves USM millar should take over the reigns. his UXM rocked, his UFF kicked ass, and his Ultimates is pure genius. that leaves only one untapped book

o yeah and bendis(or land not sure whos to blame)? GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD: ROGUE CANT FLY!