X-MEN #193 - Summary, Spoilers, Chit-Chat!

[Mitsaso]

Yay! Finally, the action-packed epilogue to "Supernovas" is out! Onwards to the quick summary, cuz I gotta go to bed asap!


We begin with the stuff seen in the previews.
Beast is examining the dead zombie man that was found at the mansion's gates, only to be summoned outside, where the Children's own Love-Boat is hanging menacingly over the lawn. Emma looks like she could use an aspirin...
The sentinels try to go near the ship but a force field is protecting it. Which is a satisfying reason for the other X-teams to keep their noses outta the upcoming battle! Wolverine is being fastballed up to the ship too, but that only confirms that the force field won't yield even for overexposed cash cows!

On the ship, the Children of the Vault give the expositionary speech over their motives...when the humanity would be wiped off the face of the earth, the Vault was supposed to open and the Children would take their place. But, thanks to Wanda, the vault opened way too soon and the Children are hasty to replace the humans, wether they're extinct yet or not! Rogue doesn't sweat a bit, she keeps her cool and is being generally smug about it. Then she tells them to surrender before things get ugly! Sangre orders his buddies to use a solar satellite beam thingy on the ship and fry the mansion, but suddenly their weapon goes "boom"! Looks like Cable went undercover and blew the thing up, and Mystique was taking his place within the team all along, so she morphs back into her pretty blue self and shoots Sangre's face off. He gets better, though.

A big brawl ensues. Serafina uses her "machine-talky" powers to make Karima shoot the X-Men (brilliant idea, bringing a human machine against a "machine-whisperer", darlings! ) and then uses Sabretooth's microsentinels to make him feel sick like a Kevorkian patient. She also spills some nice, feministic lines! Yay for strong females!
Actually, she's not just a strong female, but a little Soula who used her powers on Sam to make him love her and spend 20 imaginary years with her. So he confesses his love for her and recalls the life they spent together, and she rationally dismisses all of his confessions, so Sammy-boy does what a love-scorn Kentucky man should do to the lady who played with his feelings; he slams her really really hard into the floor, after quite some time of accelerrated canonballing. She probably didn't survive the crash, sorry Hi-Fi!

Aguja bites the dust too! Lady M uses her powers to make Fuego think she's the enemy, and things get a little "overheated", if you catch my drift!;) Let's just say that her remains won't need to be cremated...

Big Bachalo Brawl Two-page spread ensues! On the foreground, Fuego has Rogue on the ropes with his fiery temper. Then Bobby appears, first in ice form, which extinguishes most of Fuego's flames, and then he reforms into ice-form and crackles the enemy inside out with his ice. He even manages to deliver a cool come-back! All in one page!

Meanwhile, Sangre attemps to use the controls and squash the mansion with the ships' mass and flammable fuel, but Sam (with aid from a measly sentinel) manages to catch the ship. Then, Mystiquina (:p ) comes in and shoots Sangre with thermite bullets which will turn his watery form into nitrogen as they explode. The whole team abandons ship as Sangre explodes and takes most of his people with him, up there in Heaven for the Genetically Manufactured. Mystique jumps off the ship to avoid the explosion, and Bobby grabs her and saves her from the fall, but I'm betting it he just grabbed her like that in order to feel up her thighs!:D What a playa!

Later, the ship seems to hang up there in the sky, harmless and dormant. Sabes warns Sam that next time he turn his back on him, he's dead, and Rogue announces that her team won't stay at the mansion. I'm betting she doesn't mean they're taking some time off to visit the Bahamas!

Epilogue: down there in the Wild Sentinel City in Equador (where Cassie Nova was introduced to us), the second wave of the Children of the Vault is getting ready to come out and play! Looks like the ship was loaded with 3000 dead animals, altered to look like dead Children of the Vault, so that the X-Men won't go looking for survivors. Cadena is the new leader, and the 3000 Children (along with a surviving Perro) look eager to lock horns with the X-Men!

A cool issue, although the Children seemed too easily defeated to me! Rogue was cool as usual but also kept her humour switched on, while Bobby now seems to shrug off near-death experiences like he's the new Wolverine! Expect him to get vaporised every 3 issues, only to come back in aerial and then human form! It would be irritating to see him become the X-Men's Kenny, but at least he's gonna be naked every time he comes back from being vaporised!:p Cable must go, or at least get as less panel time as possible, and Karima doesn't seem like she has many days left with the X-Men...everybody else is cool though! Good work, Monsieur Carey!

[We R. Venom]

Wooooooo! That issue was damn brilliant. Action packed and a great end for that arc. Iceman was a beast as excpected! Looks like we Bobby fans got wish for a little show-off fest coming by way of a rematch between Fuego and Iceman. Looks like Bobby sure knows what he is doing. Got himsle f a great writer. Thank you God.

Mystique was a hotter than the blazes of hell and tarnasion itself. Loved the save from Bobby, that put a huge smile on my face. Glad to see that is taking the next level. Didnt see much from Cable but i think he is being saved.

Sall good though, ncie Issue, great arc, now bring on the next one Carey.:D

[Mariah]

Loved it, loved it loved it!

[We R. Venom]

Gahhhh! I think I Loved it more. *Looks around* Seriously I was impressed with Carey for what he did and is doing with Bobby and Mystique. Together and seperately. Go Bobby! Make an ice statue out of that chump. Its about time he got some damn respect, and i dont mean to go on a rant cuz there are other characters too. Lady M didnt impress me that much but ONLY because I expected her to perform as she did, and also i didnt get to find out much more about her. Canonball was great, now i know why Carey and Rogue picked him for the team. I wonder why Rogue is taking the team...wherever she is though.

Also, yes Bobby was not wearing pants. I was glad to see.... that Carey stated in continuity with that. I wonder if Mystique noticed. I feel like this team is invinsible right now. But now that Sabertooth knows about the nanobots, i think that the team will implode sooner or later. Itll be great either way.

Oh, and I've got a new title for this book:

Damn X-men

DAMN!

[Nyssane]

Perro's such a badass.

[Mariah]

I'm writing Mike a love letter in hopes he takes over New X-Men. Pixie is the shizzy in this!

[Wild Card13]

The best thing Mike Carey's doing here isn't the great new idea for a team lineup, or how well he's writing the dynamics of said team. No, it's the fact that he's finally giving the X-Men some new, interesting, and dangerous villains to deal with. And by "new", I mean ones that don't have to be explained through retcon ("What do you mean you have a twin sister, Charles?!")

I really like Carey's direction here. I hope he keeps it up.

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Excellent summary Mitsaso! I love the little details and comments you're always putting in. :D

Good catch on the Wild Sentinel base, I missed that completely myself. Anyone else think that the remaining Children are going to end up using these Sentinels on the X-men?

Yea, this was a pretty good way to close the arc, I was surprised by a couple of things though... Like how expendable the "Main" members of the Children turned out to be, and how ruthlessly Bobby and Sam killed Fuego and Serafina.

It was understandable though, for the former, it really isn't wise to let people who want to annihilate your species, along with human beings, live. And as for the latter, I think being blown apart and recondensed twice in a few hours really pissed Bobby off, and Serafina put Sam through what felt like 20 years for him, in a fake relationship just for kicks.

I'm really curious as to what's going to happen in the next arc, even though things sound very bad for Rogue.

[Mariah]

I wonder where their new base is going to be. Very reminiscent of the Outback days, imo.

[caney]

Enjoyed the issue very much!!! :D I'll probably post more thoughts on it after I read it again but in the meantime....

I think it's kinda funny that we now have Brubaker's Uncanny team in space and Carey's team leaving the mansion. It might actually make sense that none of Brubaker's and Carey's X-men are around in Joss' Astonishing currently, since I think his current stuff is supposed to be happening after Carey's and Brubaker's current stuff. I wonder if this was intentional, or just an accidental coincidence.

[Omega Alpha]

I wonder where their new base is going to be. Very reminiscent of the Outback days, imo.

Seems like it will be Providence, Cable's island.

And Carey closes this arc very well. I think this will be remembered as one of the greatest X-men stories in the future. Best moment for me was Sabretooth saying "First time you turn your back on me, you're dead" to Sam:)

And i liked that everyone in the battle fought with their heads, showing a lot of skill rather than just blowing up things, like it happen to most writers.

[fishtaco]

Glad that another team is leaving the mansion.

[Michael P]

Between bitch-slapping Serafina and catching the ship, Sam was pretty cool in this issue.

[Brian M.]

Glad that another team is leaving the mansion.

Right now both teams have left the mansion leaving only the Adminstrative team there.

Which now gives Astonishing's arc a perfect timetable...Torn takes place after this arc and while the Uncanny team is still away.

[AnkaleRa]

Man, oh man! Loved this issue! But I'm saddened thinking about how Bachalo will be taking a break for the next arc. Humberto Ramos is good and all, but I like me some Bachalo!

Lady Mastermind's little mind games were so funny! But poor Aguja, she was growing on me. Now the bubble blowing will have to be left to Jubilee.

[Pyro]

Enjoyed the issue very much!!! :D I'll probably post more thoughts on it after I read it again but in the meantime....

I think it's kinda funny that we now have Brubaker's Uncanny team in space and Carey's team leaving the mansion. It might actually make sense that none of Brubaker's and Carey's X-men are around in Joss' Astonishing currently, since I think his current stuff is supposed to be happening after Carey's and Brubaker's current stuff. I wonder if this was intentional, or just an accidental coincidence.
My thoughts so far are the same as yours. I really enjoyed it as well, but don't have much to say right now.

As for the Astonishing team being the only ones left at the mansion, I think it's just an accidental coincidence because Whedon seems perfectly content to ignore almost everything outside his story. However, we could say that it just means Carey and Brubaker are good writers for making it work out that way. (for the record I do like AXM, I just don't particularly like it's insular feel)

[UncannyAsianGirl]

I wonder where their new base is going to be. Very reminiscent of the Outback days, imo.
A while ago, Mike Carey said that their new base would be a mobile one, and the Conquistador fits the bill. But first, there's the matter of clearing out the 3000 genetically-alternated animal carcasses from below deck, and repairing the damage caused by the explosions.

Way back in an interview in January, (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/46198) Mike said that somewhere down the line, Rogue's team's going to be taking a trip to Nebraska, and the only thing I know that's there is the orphanage that served as Scott's home for a while, as well as Mr. Sinister's base of operations. Threnody was there for a while, but I don't think she's there anymore. It was mentioned a long time ago though, Mr. Carey may have changed his plans by now.

[Omega Alpha]

A while ago, Mike Carey said that their new base would be a mobile one, and the Conquistador fits the bill. But first, there's the matter of clearing out the 3000 genetically-alternated animal carcasses from below deck, and repairing the damage caused by the explosions.

Way back in an interview in January, (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/46198) Mike said that somewhere down the line, Rogue's team's going to be taking a trip to Nebraska, and the only thing I know that's there is the orphanage that served as Scott's home for a while, as well as Mr. Sinister's base of operations. It was mentioned a long time ago though, Mr. Carey may have changed his plans by now.

I haven't read that interview. Hum, they're visiting some location in Nebraska, plus they're setting up from stuff next year, and we know that Sinister will show up first briefly and then in something big in the next year, so, yep, they're definively in the Conquistador and visiting Scott's orphanage.

[Pyro]

Way back in an interview in January, (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/46198) Mike said that somewhere down the line, Rogue's team's going to be taking a trip to Nebraska, and the only thing I know that's there is the orphanage that served as Scott's home for a while, as well as Mr. Sinister's base of operations. Threnody was there for a while, but I don't think she's there anymore. It was mentioned a long time ago though, Mr. Carey may have changed his plans by now.
Hmm. Upon reading that interview, I actually think his mention of Nebraska was a typo. He probably meant Alaska, considering that we were there (at the SHIELD facility) in his second issue and that he did this interview before his run even started.

[We R. Venom]

I don't know about Mike Carey and his plans. He does a lot of interviews. I think its best to focus on whats next, whatever it may be, you can be sure itll be serious. As much as i hate serious, ugh, i know it will be...interesting.

[Pyro]

Looking back on this first arc, it seems to me that Karima is the least developed of all the characters so far. Beast has had a role 8x bigger than hers and he's not even on the team (not that I'm complaining). I don't really see why she's even in the book. Unless Carey has a big plan for her, she seems really extraneous. Basically I'm saying I never found her appealing and she's taking up space. Lol.

Still, Carey Rocks!!! w00t!!!

[ProfeZZor X]

I think this will be the third time Bobby killed someone in self defense. But I am glad to see Carey brought it out of him again... And it was done so effortlessly and flawless. From the looks of the page, it seems like Bobby was growing inside of Fuego, and ruptured outwards in a blast of cold that extinguished him from the inside out... Very cool indeed!!!

I also can't wait to see the "femme fishbowl fatale" in action next time either. I hope Carey won't wait too long to bring her and the rest of the Children back.

[jen]

I thought #193 was a really solid ending to this arc. I loved how Carey included everyone in the fight. I also liked that everyone was really smart in their use of powers and resources. Some quick thoughts on the issue. It seemed to me that Fuego had absorbed Bobby into himself as he was doing with Rogue. But Bobby was able to reform inside Fuego and burst out. The bonus was that it killed Fuego in the process. And I thought Sam was completely justified with Serafina. She got what she deserved. However I will miss her. :( She was totally badass! Looks like Rogue is leaving is due to how dangerously close the fight was brought home to the mansion. She is right in taking her strike force away from the students. Now, I can't wait for the new arc to begin! :D

[RoguefanAM]

Looks like Rogue is leaving is due to how dangerously close the fight was brought home to the mansion. She is right in taking her strike force away from the students. Now, I can't wait for the new arc to begin!

Yeah, about that...didn't Carey say in one of his interviews that some of the students would be faced with the choice of leaving the mansion and going with Rogue's team? Although, I DO have a pretty bad memory, so I might of just misinterpreted what he was saying...

[Beast]

Yeah, about that...didn't Carey say in one of his interviews that some of the students would be faced with the choice of leaving the mansion and going with Rogue's team? Although, I DO have a pretty bad memory, so I might of just misinterpreted what he was saying...
I recall that also. But plans may have changed since then.

[Fede]

Looking back on this first arc, it seems to me that Karima is the least developed of all the characters so far. Beast has had a role 8x bigger than hers and he's not even on the team (not that I'm complaining). I don't really see why she's even in the book. Unless Carey has a big plan for her, she seems really extraneous.


That's what I thought too. X-Men has already a big cast, and has also cameos from New X-men and big roles for the Astonishing members (Beast specially). He also brought the Children of the Vault and the Beauvier twins (Carey rocks!!). If he wants karima for his team, it has to be for an important reason. Think that with such a big cast, it's very difficult to make them all shine. (And I have to say that in my opinion he's succeeded). I'm sure there are plans for her.

I see that many people do not find her interesting, but I remember when Mike gave some explanations of why he wanted her on the team. Not that this was the real reason, but was the only thing that got my attention from what he said about her. He remembered that splash page in the Uncanny X-Men House of M arc, drawed by Bachalo, in wich she looked GREAT. Is that enough to make me want to see more of her? YES:D

Btw, thanks for the summary Mitsaso

[Mariah]

Swoon! Ahh, I love how Mike handles Lady M. Sure, she was only in a few scenes, but woah! oh so sneaky!

And I wonder when Wolverine 50 fits into the whole timeline.

[TinMan]

This was a great issue, I loved the creative ways the characters were using their abilities, seeing Sam royally level Serafina and Bobby taking out Fuego. The resolution and battle did seem a bit rushed and almost too easy considering the battle from the last issue, but thats forgivable.

Other than that, the only thing that I think could have improved this issue is a Cannonball uppercut! Sam should have just power uppercutted Creed after he threatened him, let that sum bitch know he's not talking smack to a kid anymore but a well trained combatant with years of field experience. Yeah, Sam's awesome. :D

[Rich L]

I really enjoyed this arc, but I admit I'm a little surprised at just how ruthless this team is willing to be - Cable, LadyMastermind, Sabretooth and Mystique I get, but I'm surprised at just how far Rogue, Karima, Cannonball and Iceman were willing to go.

Although I choose to believe that Cannonball didn't kill Serafina...and that she escaped tp fight another day.

BTW - a Sentinel carcass in Ecuador that looks like Master Mold? Refresh my failing memory - where did that come from?!?

[TinMan]

I really enjoyed this arc, but I admit I'm a little surprised at just how ruthless this team is willing to be - Cable, LadyMastermind, Sabretooth and Mystique I get, but I'm surprised at just how far Rogue, Karima, Cannonball and Iceman were willing to go.

Although I choose to believe that Cannonball didn't kill Serafina...and that she escaped tp fight another day.

BTW - a Sentinel carcass in Ecuador that looks like Master Mold? Refresh my failing memory - where did that come from?!?

It was where the wild Sentinels that destroyed Genosha were created. Cyclops and Wolverine first met Cassandra Nova there (X-Men 114 or somewhere there abouts) and the last time it was shown (that I know of) was in Astonishing #13 (or 14?) during the flashback with Emma and C.N. describing how Emma got her "secondary mutation".

[garin]

BTW - a Sentinel carcass in Ecuador that looks like Master Mold? Refresh my failing memory - where did that come from?!?The first issue of Morrison's run.

It's the Master Mold from the shadow Sentinel program designed to create Wild Sentinels.

[Unkillable Cat]

The best thing Mike Carey's doing here isn't the great new idea for a team lineup, or how well he's writing the dynamics of said team. No, it's the fact that he's finally giving the X-Men some new, interesting, and dangerous villains to deal with. And by "new", I mean ones that don't have to be explained through retcon ("What do you mean you have a twin sister, Charles?!")

I really like Carey's direction here. I hope he keeps it up.

If he's gonna keep churning out predictable, copycat villains like the Children, I hope he doesn't.

Mike has written the X-Men better in six issues than many others have been unable to do with thrice that number of issues, but the two things I think are the weakest points in his run so far are the art and the villains.

If you're going to introduce new villains, make sure they have something new and exciting to offer. The Children have neither. They are pretty much identical clones of The Neo, only more bland, and there is nothing exciting anymore about a group of "near-humans" that want to rule the world right now because they think they are its rightful inheritors. Having Spanish (Portugese?) codenames isn't exciting either.

At least this boring set of clichés has been dealt with...for now.

I have nothing personally against the art, I just don't think it fits the X-Men anymore.

I'm looking forward to Carey's next issues, just as long as he doesn't dwell on the Children too much.

[Rich L]

Thanks to Garin and TinMan for clearing up that confusion - I really do need to go back and read all of Morrison's run from start to finish.

If only 99.9% of my collection wasn't in another country...

[Sentinel K]

I actually think this issue was a bit of a let down after the previous exceptional issues.

There were some cool moments and it certainly wasn't BAD, I was just expecting to be blown away.

And I wasn't.

I guess i was expecting too much.

[caney]

I just posted this in the Mike Carey discussion thread too, but I figured it goes well here too.

Mike Carey recently posted a link to something fairly cool at his website (http://www.mikecarey.net/). It's kind of a breakdown of the storytelling from this week's issue #193. You can read it here (http://www.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/details.php?id=592&PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c9811a7010).

[tnklb]

I posted this int he "generl" Carey run discussion thread, but i think it fits here too since it applies to this issue...

Keep in mind, that this book is rapidly becoming my favorite of the 3 core x-titles.

The only problem I have with this book, is that this team all seems pretty much okay with killing their foes. I'm certainly no pansy on this issue, and killing people right and left in comics doesn't bother me at all-- but it has always been a core X-Men value to NOT KILL.

Of course they have in the past... a lot... but there is always a debate over it. When the X-Men do kill, it is usally a poigiant moment for the character. Even Wolverine who hacks and slahes his way through foes usually offers up some sort of reasoning, and often faces a lecture from Xavier or Scott.

The deaths of the Children in issue 193 seemed like it was no big whoop to most of the team. Mystique and Sabertooth can get away with it. Rogue could with the right justification. But Bobby and Sam offing Feugo and Sarafina without the slightest hesitation seemed out of character to me.

Clearly, this is a "dark" X-book, and again, I have no real problem morally with killing villians. In fact, that may be the niche for this title, is that these are the "by any means neccesary" X-Men. But at the same time, if the X-Men have a code they live by, then there needs to be some sort of discourse when they break it.

[Mikl C]

Best Carey issue yet IMO and Bachelo in TOP form. Awesome read. Loved Lady M's part and Sam was kickass. Rogue was a bit weak though..
Gah! Whatever! Awesome! :D

[blinkinrogue]

one quick question, how exactly did cadena and perro escape?

[rwsmith]

Just saw on Carey's website that Marvel apparently has big plans for Cable next summer. He probably plays a large part in whatever this X-men event they're planning is, and that's probably why Carey hasn't done too much with him yet.

I just hope this X-men event isn't another X-Cutioner's Song where everything revolves around the damn Summers family.

[Fede]

Best Carey issue yet IMO and Bachelo in TOP form. Awesome read. Loved Lady M's part and Sam was kickass. Rogue was a bit weak though..
Gah! Whatever! Awesome! :D

What he said :D

I was wondering...why does Bachalo draw Lady M with that "sunglasses" or whatever it is in all the covers but then she doesn't wear them inb the comic itself?

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Best Carey issue yet IMO and Bachelo in TOP form. Awesome read. Loved Lady M's part and Sam was kickass. Rogue was a bit weak though..
Gah! Whatever! Awesome! :D

True, Rogue didn't do much on panel... but remember, she's the one that orchestrated the massacre, and figured out exactly how The Children could be defeated, just from Sabretooth's information alone.

one quick question, how exactly did cadena and perro escape?
Who knows? We really don't know what Cadena's powers are, and Perro could have gotten them out using his control over gravity.

As for the morality issue regarding killing The Children, I've already said my piece. Mike Carey does a decent job justifying why Sam reacted the way he did regarding Serafina, in the link that caney put up.

[ProfeZZor X]

I posted this int he "generl" Carey run discussion thread, but i think it fits here too since it applies to this issue...

Keep in mind, that this book is rapidly becoming my favorite of the 3 core x-titles.

The only problem I have with this book, is that this team all seems pretty much okay with killing their foes. I'm certainly no pansy on this issue, and killing people right and left in comics doesn't bother me at all-- but it has always been a core X-Men value to NOT KILL.

Of course they have in the past... a lot... but there is always a debate over it. When the X-Men do kill, it is usally a poigiant moment for the character. Even Wolverine who hacks and slahes his way through foes usually offers up some sort of reasoning, and often faces a lecture from Xavier or Scott.

The deaths of the Children in issue 193 seemed like it was no big whoop to most of the team. Mystique and Sabertooth can get away with it. Rogue could with the right justification. But Bobby and Sam offing Feugo and Sarafina without the slightest hesitation seemed out of character to me.

Clearly, this is a "dark" X-book, and again, I have no real problem morally with killing villians. In fact, that may be the niche for this title, is that these are the "by any means neccesary" X-Men. But at the same time, if the X-Men have a code they live by, then there needs to be some sort of discourse when they break it.

Yeah, it was much more darker than previous books. But if you're going to develop characters, this is a start. Everyone on the team was hand picked by Rogue to get the job done. And along with that, I'm sure each of them would have had some objection to being there if they morally didn't feel comfortable with dealing out death to their aggressors.

Mike seems to be fairly straight forward with his dialogue, and has a knack for subtle instances of unfinished business previous writers don't address. So if there was ever an instance where any of Rogue's team members felt uncomfortable about their own personal actions in this issue, it very well may be addressed in his next arc.

[We R. Venom]

I havnt been more happy and satisfied which a team or characterization of a team in a long long time. When I fianlly started to By X-men, I wanted to buy a book with characters i loved. I.e.- it had to have Iceman in it. For one, lol. As well i wanted a book to have characters that i could grow to like, learn more about without feeling like a total loser cuz i didnt know what the hell was going on. This team surprisingly was one of the dream teams ive always wanted to see together, + karima and lady m. I just think Mike carey is doing a great job, and in this next arc I think he is going to express great writing skills ut at the same time expand his new world of X-men and bring great stories and characters. The tone is great and i i dont think carey can fail in much.

I felt like a rant. Makes me wonder if I should give Uncanny a try, hmmm.

[tnklb]

Mike seems to be fairly straight forward with his dialogue, and has a knack for subtle instances of unfinished business previous writers don't address. So if there was ever an instance where any of Rogue's team members felt uncomfortable about their own personal actions in this issue, it very well may be addressed in his next arc.

I agree there. In fact my favorite thing in this issue was some subtle Rogue dialog. Her accent came back briefly.

20 some odd years of MAH POWER SUGAH YAH'LL got really old. I liked when her accent was dropped by post Claremont writers, but at the same time, continuity wise, it felt like something was missing.

Carey gave it back to Rogue briefly, and it was when she was boying coy. That's just awesome. Like she has lived in NY long enough to lose the accent, but still can turn it on when she wants that southern belle charm or playfulness to come out. I like that a lot.

[Omega Alpha]

Just saw on Carey's website that Marvel apparently has big plans for Cable next summer. He probably plays a large part in whatever this X-men event they're planning is, and that's probably why Carey hasn't done too much with him yet.

I just hope this X-men event isn't another X-Cutioner's Song where everything revolves around the damn Summers family.

It's something involving Sinister, so it makes sense that his "grandson" and the Summers would play a role. Specially with another brother around. But i hope it's not about "making a mutant to defeat Apocalypse" or stuff, just them being a part in a bigger plan of his.

[cable guy]

I just posted this in the Mike Carey discussion thread too, but I figured it goes well here too.

Mike Carey recently posted a link to something fairly cool at his website (http://www.mikecarey.net/). It's kind of a breakdown of the storytelling from this week's issue #193. You can read it here (http://www.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/details.php?id=592&PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c9811a7010).

Great link.

[Zombienorthstar]

I actually really like the Children...despite initially finding the idea hokey (bad aftertaste from the Neo).

But heres the thing...the idea for the Neo was cool but the execution was awful...they werent engaging personalities and didnt feel like much of a threat to me.

The Children have personality, theyre wonderfully complex and have been given alot of humanity (ironically) particularly Serafina.

Conceptually its the same old story...but Carey brought something special to the table for me.

Im look forward to Carey introducing more villains. Im fed up off the same old same old 'Sinister-Magneto-Apoclaypse-Hellfire Club-Sentinel rinse and repeat as necessary' attitude to villains. I hope Carey keeps striving to introduce new villains...they may not all be hits for everyone but at least its getting us out of that repetitive tail spin.

[fishtaco]

Yeah, I just actually read the issue. Awesome. Mike Carey is tied with Grant Morrison for best post-91 writer, in my book. Carey is the first new talent since Morrison who has the balls to try something new and progressive. That's what I'm looking for. I just hope Carey continues moving forwards, not backwards.

[Madrox84]

Sounds like an awesome issue :D

I'll be getting a copy later today.

[Chase_Stein]

This issue was great! It's even better than...uhm...most X-titles in the market right now. However, where the hell is Karima Shapandar? Yes, I know, we did see her in the issue but she was basically mauled by Serafina...she did nothing else except appear in the splash page, shooting some robotic "Children."

Great things in the issue...

1) Bitter and Better Lady M
2) Iceman's magic trick
3) Sabretooth's killer lines
4) Angry Rogue
5) Mystique's pop and shoot scenes
6) Cadena in the last page

[Hi-Fi]

Great issue, but Mike killed Serafina!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :( :(

(by the way, for who said the Children are a bland version of the Neos, what??? I totally disagree. I couldn't separate one Neo for the other, but here, I can name all the Children. Well, not all of them but you get the point)

Lots of action in this issue, and lots of great moments. Bobby's comeback was great and Sam kicked ass in this issue. I think it was justified fot both of them to kill. It's a shame that it had to be Serafina, though. Well, I'll heart her forever. And I think Sam's action wil have some big consequences for him.

By the way, how cool was Serafina OWNING Sabretooth like that?? And the lines duel as well!! Cool stuff. I love Mike's dialogue.

Lady Mastermind is just way too cool. She needs to stay. "Your friend with the smoking habit"? "Can you say 'friendly fire'"? She's hilarious.

And Rogue was formidable just for her lines alone."You got anything that works on diesel?" :)

Karima needs to go away, though. She's wasting space in this book. Hello, Karima! There are lots of characters waiting in line to take your place!! Do something. Jump! Say something funny! Get romanticaly involved with someone!

*waits for Mike to completely change my mind when Karima shines in the next arc*

Fantastic stuff going on in this book. Can't wait for next issue!

[Mikl C]

LMao bland version of the neo. There's an oxymoron if ever one existed.

[Post-It]

Best Sabretooth Ive read in a while. Plus, thank god someone is FINALLY using Bobby the way he can be used. I mean if he wanted to the guy could just freeze your brain and win without throwing a punch. Hopefully Mystique will bring out his inner bad-boy. Also, i think the fact that he keeps experiencing "death" is what he character needed. People usually use humor to mask fear and discomfort, being almost immune to death (in ice form) will get rid of that fear.

[Hi-Fi]

You know what? I'm calling it right now. Serafina is not dead.

[blinkinrogue]

did mike confirm serafina's death? of the four, she had the best chance to survive coz cmon if she's really that powerful i think she might have survived the impact.... though the same thing cant be said bout sangre and the 2 others.

[ProfeZZor X]

My question is, where did Serifina insert her plugs to access Sabertooth's nano-sentinels?

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/img/2006/nov/XMEN193p9.jpg?PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c981 1a7010

[Karli]

My question is, where did Serifina insert her plugs to access Sabertooth's nano-sentinels?

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/img/2006/nov/XMEN193p9.jpg?PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c981 1a7010

I'm gonna take the fifth on this one...:p
I'm sure that lurid explanations will pop up in x-cres..

[Mitsaso]

I don't think Serafina is that dead, myself... in fact, who died and who survived of the Children is pretty much undefined... the battle ended ubruptly and ship is just hanging up in the air with only a few parts of it blown up. I bet many Children escaped the ship after that last explosion...

[Jack Flash]

gr8 issue! Loved the art. Loved Bobby's comeback.

I think Serafina is Alive. She's gonna be back for revenge. I think Sangre, Alguja(sp) and Fuego are likely dead. But Sarah has got to mess with Sam again.

[caney]

gr8 issue! Loved the art. Loved Bobby's comeback.

I think Serafina is Alive. She's gonna be back for revenge. I think Sangre, Alguja(sp) and Fuego are likely dead. But Sarah has got to mess with Sam again.

Maybe Serafina will be alive, but kind of break away from the rest of the Children. She seems a little more interested in exploring the world around her rather than just killing off all the humans and mutants (like wanting to experience living a life together with Sam). She could still be a creepy villain, though.

[Jack Flash]

Maybe Serafina will be alive, but kind of break away from the rest of the Children. She seems a little more interested in exploring the world around her rather than just killing off all the humans and mutants (like wanting to experience living a life together with Sam). She could still be a creepy villain, though.

totally with you. She should come back to haunt Sam, but I like her on her own with an army of sentinels or something rather than with Fish bowl chick and Perro. not that I don't like Fishbowl chik and perro!!!! just that Serafina is a nemisis for Cannonball!!

[Volk1]

She’s meant to head up a rapid-response team unimpeded by any duties at the school – so it makes sense for them to operate outside of the restrictions that are currently in force there.
To kill or not to kill? Kill. Rogue's X-team is beyond the "core value of the X-men" now. That answers the fundamental question of "should the X-Men be killing?" Because that's the nature of the game when you're basically the sneaky commando unit.....do whatever it takes.

I WILL MISS YOU SERAFINA! but i know you will be back...;) (because Carey's not a hater)

Carey writes unbelievable dialogue. Every character in the book had great lines. And Bachalo's frantic art fit the rapid pace of the story.

A great ending to a refreshing story. My money has been well spent these past several months!

[End of Time]

I don't get why people are so excited about this. It's mediocre at best, passable, but nothing legendary.

The Children lack a personality. The members that did get a personality were taken out this issue. Leader and Serafina, the only two who got some screen time to develop a character beyond the surface, and Leader is basically the stereotypical villain hell-bent on destroying the human race and the mutant race because he screams that it's their destiny to do so. We've been there, we've done that, we've got the issues rotting away in a bookcase somewhere.

The rest of the Children were taken out so fast that it was probably a waste of time to devote any attention to building them up as individual characters.

Why should I care again about the Children? Because they're a threat... according to whom? Themselves? Seems to me they were disposed of by Rogue's team in less than no time.

On the subject of Rogue's team...

Why is Lady M there? I mean did I miss something, when did she reform and become an X-men? Last we saw her doing something besides drooling, she was trying to drag Heather Hudson and Sage to their deaths. The sudden change of heart, her cooperation, it seems a bit random.

Same goes for Mystique, including her in the line up gets mentioned, but the explanation isn't working for me at all. You want to keep an eye on someone at all times because you don't trust that person at all... so what do you do, you make them an integral part of your team and go out to find situations where your life and the lives of others are dependant on that loose canon you just don't trust.

Karima, why introduce her at this point, when she never did anything of any use. Introduce her during the second arc, because as it stands now she got barely any screentime, and what time she got was wasted on her doing nothing of worth.

Iceman is now immortal as I understand it, at least in his iceform.

And all of a sudden the X-men turned into ruthless murderers. Which is a surprise because as we know the mansion harbors quite a number of insane homicidal freaks, who were left alive by the X-men and their reluctance to kill. Now Rogue has a whole ship of dead bodies... she killed a number of them outright, and then she has to assume that she is somehow responsible for those thousands of corpses below deck...

Bachalo's art look gorgeous... except for his Beast... the way hank is drawn can be described with one word... hideous.

[Mikl C]

Heather Hudson...? Do you mean Lifeguard? Heather Cameron?

[jmc247]

And all of a sudden the X-men turned into ruthless murderers. Which is a surprise because as we know the mansion harbors quite a number of insane homicidal freaks, who were left alive by the X-men and their reluctance to kill. Now Rogue has a whole ship of dead bodies... she killed a number of them outright, and then she has to assume that she is somehow responsible for those thousands of corpses below deck...


The X-Men including Rogue bitched and bitched and bitched at Magneto for killing potental threats like Zelot and Zaladane.

I hope when he comes back he gives the Marvel heroes an earful, all of them by the way.

[Nyssane]

The Children lack a personality. The members that did get a personality were taken out this issue. Leader and Serafina, the only two who got some screen time to develop a character beyond the surface, and Leader is basically the stereotypical villain hell-bent on destroying the human race and the mutant race because he screams that it's their destiny to do so. We've been there, we've done that, we've got the issues rotting away in a bookcase somewhere.

Why do you have to care about every single villain ever created? The Children weren't portrayed as sympathetic characters, which is why nobody feels for them when they were killed off. They did their job, and their job is done. Although I'm sure Cadena and Perro will strike back with a vengeance later on down the road.

[Hi-Fi]

The Children weren't portrayed as sympathetic characters, which is why nobody feels for them when they were killed off.

Excuse me?? I don't talk like that about Cargill, you wont talk like that about Serafina!!:evilangry

[Nyssane]

Excuse me?? I don't talk like that about Cargill, you wont talk like that about Serafina!!:evilangry

I don't consider Serafina dead. :p I only consider Fuego, Aguja, and Sangre dead. ;) So, don't hate me! Serafina is a badass right up there with Perro.

But you have to admit, she wasn't no Mother Theresa in terms of sympathy. ;P

[Affinity]

Carey writes unbelievable dialogue. Every character in the book had great lines. And Bachalo's frantic art fit the rapid pace of the story.


I totally agree.

I just read the issue and it was FABULOUS! I loved it. Great art, great story, great dialogue, great Carey's X-Men fabuloso. Carey totally GETS these characters, and it's almost scary.

[Faded]

I'm just a tad bit disappointed with this issue.

I did like the interaction between Sam and Sabretooth and especially Serafina and Sabretooth, but I was a little put off by the brutality of Sam in this issue. His encounter with "Sarah" surely messed him up, but I did not expect a reaction like that. Though that might be intentional.

And I kinda thought Lady Mastermind was kinda corny. :o

Bachalo also seemed to really rush this issue. His art took a big step down for me though some scenes were still pretty as always.

I continue to really like Carey's use of the other mutants of the mansion, his dialogue, and pacing but I wasn't wowed with this issue as I expected myself to be.

[Cayman]

Why couldn't it be Perro instead of Serafina? WHYYYYY?

[Nyssane]

Why couldn't it be Perro instead of Serafina? WHYYYYY?

HUSH YO' MOUTH.

[blinkinrogue]

like i posted earlier check out x-fans review of 193, mostly good hehe. Mystique's rogue, jen, and other rogue fans also lke i said earlier vote for her in the marvel boards as well as mike carey and the supernovas storyline.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Why couldn't it be Perro instead of Serafina? WHYYYYY?

I agree, she was cool and had tons of powers.

[Hi-Fi]

Serafina is not dead, guys.

[dellicious]

this issue rocked
nuff said

[Faded]

Serafina is not dead, guys.

SPECULATIONz!: Sam intentionally drove her into the ground, knowing she'd be okay yet somehow suffer so they could live underground and have babies and kick that bish Lila Cheney to the curb. ;)

[Black_Shift]

Dang ol' double postin' man, that ain't cool man

[Black_Shift]

Many thanks for this great arc... the writing by Mike C. was on-point and well, what can I say about the art, other than my hero Chris Bachelo amazes me with his ever-evolving artstyle.

Now, to the team:

Rogue has a soft spot in my heart and I always thought with enough time (and the right writer) she could really show herself as a "powerhouse" of the X-Men. Also, as the "leader" of this group she has come into her own.

note: I put leader in matt foley "caps" because of the role Sam, ie the Val-Xavier_Mystique meeting and Cable have played in this arc. Although Rogue had the biggest "role" as leader, I personally would like to see this play out abit more, because all of them have proved they can lead a team.

Cannonball: Sam really shows his chops in this issue, powers wise. Now, I'm gonna get slack for this comment, but I support Sam's decision to crush Serafina. As a southern gentleman from Arkansas, I see where he is coming from. Here we have a man that has always been forced into mold of what his superiors have made for him (Xavier, Mags, Cable) and he's finally coming into his own. He's forsaken a life that for some seems comfortable (I agree with Sam on the adventuring out of small home towns) for rocky relationships and tragedy, and for some one to manipulate him like that, give him everything he's ever wanted. (And who doesn't want a nice house, with a dark haired hottie as your wife) For them to do that, with a smile on their face... well I'da taken 'em to the ground, wouldn't you?

Cable: Bigger part in the second arc, loved his interactions with "Dad"

The God of Ice: FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THAT ICEMAN IS OMEGA LEVEL! Thank you Mike Carey. Bobby is probably Bi, which is why he's loving on him some Mystique, and I can't wait to see what Mike's got in store for us on Bobby's power expo tour '06

Karima: I was reading earlier someone brought up that she was the least "fleshed out" of the group and perhaps has a bigger part to play in things later to come. I agree for this reason alone: Serafina. From what I can tell she has complete control of technology, why couldn't she just "download" herself into Karima and we have us a battle of wills fought on the intrawub.

Lady M: I have no opinion on her other than she's great, because I do not, in any way, shape, form, or fashion want to get on Mariah's bad side. She's purty...:D

Sabretooth: Meh. I just want Colossus to crush him into a little bloody ball and kick into the atmosphere and see if he can come back from that.

Mystique: MMMMMM.... From Humberto's preview art, Mystique's boobs will play a bigger part in the second arc. I love her, but I really want to see a catfight between her and Rogue, where Rogue finally can pimp slap Mystique into place, I'm also thankful Mike dropped that lame ass charater Milligan decided to foist upon us, what was his name... Puke... Pulse... Poop... I refuse to acknowledge Milligan's run, he should not have been allowed to touch Apocalypse PERIOD. Anyway I wants me some more Mystique.

And that I guess wraps it up.

[Zombienorthstar]

Karima: I was reading earlier someone brought up that she was the least "fleshed out" of the group and perhaps has a bigger part to play in things later to come. I agree for this reason alone: Serafina. From what I can tell she has complete control of technology, why couldn't she just "download" herself into Karima and we have us a battle of wills fought on the intrawub.
.

Curious and interesting notion...what if Serafina isnt dead but just swapped bodies with Karima..waiting for an oppurtunity to 'restart' her own body?

[blinkinrogue]

mike im not sure still has not confirmed serafina's status though, i think he really wants to keep it a secret hehe oh well. Also x-guys vote over at the marvel boards for the year-end bests. i havent seen much of ya over there hehe.. mike is going toe to toe with brubaker and rogue against cap and iron man leading in the character votes

[Madrox84]

I really liked this issue.

It was a great conclusion to a great first arc :D

I especially liked the 'friendly fire incident' with Lady Mastermind and Fuego, and the last page. They were awesome.

[Omega Alpha]

Mystique: MMMMMM.... From Humberto's preview art, Mystique's boobs will play a bigger part in the second arc. I love her, but I really want to see a catfight between her and Rogue, where Rogue finally can pimp slap Mystique into place, I'm also thankful Mike dropped that lame ass charater Milligan decided to foist upon us, what was his name... Puke... Pulse... Poop... I refuse to acknowledge Milligan's run, he should not have been allowed to touch Apocalypse PERIOD. Anyway I wants me some more Mystique.



Yep, i like your ideas, and i agree about the part in bold:D

And i support your canidate for president too! As long as he doesn't make any speeches.

[Faded]

Karima: I was reading earlier someone brought up that she was the least "fleshed out" of the group and perhaps has a bigger part to play in things later to come. I agree for this reason alone: Serafina. From what I can tell she has complete control of technology, why couldn't she just "download" herself into Karima and we have us a battle of wills fought on the intrawub.

That is really interesting.

[tunasammiches]

That is really interesting.

Dude...your icon is mesmerizing.

[DDM]

Mike Carey has become a favorite X-Men writer simply because he tells thrilling, substantive stories with no decompression. Lady Mastermind, Mystique, Karima, & Sabretooth all add a nice edge to the X-Men, yet I can't forget they are villains. Mystique blows up Sangre, Lady Mastermind uses her mutant illusions to have one of the children literally flash fly another into ashes, & Sabretooth is just plain crazy. Karima is an unknown given her nano-Sentinel programming.

In fact, did the X-Men have to kill the Children? Was it their only choice?

Rogue's team of X-Men are ruthless. Is this a good thing?

I'm glad to see the X-Men move away from the mansion too. Too many X-Men are at the mansion as it is.

10/10

[tunasammiches]

I wanna see more Karima. The fact that she's been such a background character in this arc has my curiosity peaked. And her costume's cool. I just wish Carey would go into a li'l bit of exposition with her history and touch on her relationship wtih Thunderbird.

[ProfeZZor X]

The God of Ice: FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THAT ICEMAN IS OMEGA LEVEL! Thank you Mike Carey. Bobby is probably Bi, which is why he's loving on him some Mystique, and I can't wait to see what Mike's got in store for us on Bobby's power expo tour '06.

Why would you assume Bobby:

1) Knows about Mystique's sexual preferences.
2) Is bisexual

Carey mentioned something about Bobby's ice crystals having "certain fixed properties". Something we can assume we'll get a defined explanation of in #195.

... In other news, Ramos' shouldn't have been chosen for this darker version of the X-Men (his colors are too foo-foo and happy).

[Stagier]

does anyone feel the need to tell neal that karima is alive again for the second time? he was x-corp in genosha excalibur and no mention. now she's back and already off on a mission.

weren't they engaged?

i am surprised that we didn't see too much tech from her either, just flying and punching.

maybe next arc.

[Black_Shift]

Why would you assume Bobby:

1) Knows about Mystique's sexual preferences.
2) Is bisexual

Carey mentioned something about Bobby's ice crystals having "certain fixed properties". Something we can assume we'll get a defined explanation of in #195.

... In other news, Ramos' shouldn't have been chosen for this darker version of the X-Men (his colors are too foo-foo and happy).


To answer #1: I don't but I'm just guessing considering the obvious facts.
#1: Mystique is Nightcrawler's MOTHER, which was sired by a german baron.:eek: (not some butt-wipe demon that hack Chuch Austen wrote... THANK YOU DAVE C. YOU ARE MY HERO)

#2: Rogue was supposed to be the daughter of Mystique and Destiny... I wonder how that happens?

#3: And this is just pure what if?: If I was a metamorph who is close to 70-80 years old, I think I woulda tried both sides...

I don't apologize for the sarcasm, but there is no malice behind said remarks.

And to answer #2
Well, considering alot of folks on this board are posing the question of Iceman being "gay" I figured since he was shown as a "tail-chaser" back in the Ol' Days (ie. Jean, Polaris) that if he did go Mann gegen Mann that his sexual ideals would be akin to a dutch door. (swings both ways).

But as I always tell myself, I'm not writing these books, so all I need to do, is sit back and enjoy the ride. (This is not a slant on Mike Carey)

[Hi-Fi]

I just wish Carey would go into a li'l bit of exposition with her history and touch on her relationship wtih Thunderbird.

does anyone feel the need to tell neal that karima is alive again for the second time? he was x-corp in genosha excalibur and no mention. now she's back and already off on a mission.

weren't they engaged?


Mike said about next arc I did actually rough out a scene that involved Thunderbird and Lifeguard, but for various reasons it didn’t make the cut.

[Karthak]

"Wolverine is being fastballed up to the ship too, but that only confirms that the force field won't yield even for overexposed cash cows!"

Bwahahahaha!!!:D

[rwsmith]

Actually, he wanted to test it to see if they had to lower their forcefield to fire the Suncatcher, which they were obviously preparing to do. I don't really think it was an unreasonable assumption on his part, and it's not like he was going to be hurt by smacking into an operational forcefield anyway.

As for the "overexposed cash cow" line, I take it you're not a fan of Spider-man, Superman or Batman then?

[We R. Venom]

Mike said about next arc

See that just shows me that Carey is always looking to expose new x-men,a nd use characters that others dont normally. Tell me something. How are we as comic buyers supposed to be interested in new characters and villans if no writers give them the time of day? Good ups Mike Carey. You are a beast!

[Faded]

I read the review over at X-Axis, and something I kinda forgot has been brought to my attention...was it ever explained how M-Day released the Children? As Paul O'Brien mentioned, a lot of comics seem to be using M-Day as an excuse for starting something all the time now.

[Matthew K.]

Great issue, but Mike killed Serafina!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lady Mastermind is just way too cool. She needs to stay. "Your friend with the smoking habit"? "Can you say 'friendly fire'"? She's hilarious.

And Rogue was formidable just for her lines alone."You got anything that works on diesel?" :)

Fantastic stuff going on in this book. Can't wait for next issue!


I see some room for Serafina to come back--that deal with her & Cannonball was interesting--but, to get back on point, there seems room for her to come back, compared to some of the other crew who are toast. & now that we a have a sub-group of the children she might appear when these freaks surface.

& Lady Mastermind...yes I dig her.

Great time for the X-Men title! :D

[Hi-Fi]

I see some room for Serafina to come back--that deal with her & Cannonball was interesting--but, to get back on point, there seems room for her to come back, compared to some of the other crew who are toast. & now that we a have a sub-group of the children she might appear when these freaks surface.

& Lady Mastermind...yes I dig her.

Great time for the X-Men title! :D

Serafina is definetly alive!! I can feel it in my soul... :cool:

[streator]

"I did actually rough out a scene that involved Thunderbird and Lifeguard, but for various reasons it didn’t make the cut".

i'm glad that tb3 and lifeguard didn't make the cut. the less i see them the better.

[Cayman]

I read the review over at X-Axis, and something I kinda forgot has been brought to my attention...was it ever explained how M-Day released the Children? As Paul O'Brien mentioned, a lot of comics seem to be using M-Day as an excuse for starting something all the time now.

I believe Onslaught came and opened the door for them.

[ProfeZZor X]

See that just shows me that Carey is always looking to expose new x-men,a nd use characters that others dont normally. Tell me something. How are we as comic buyers supposed to be interested in new characters and villans if no writers give them the time of day? Good ups Mike Carey. You are a beast!

Yeah, than reminds me... Whatever happened to Glob Herman and Dust? I'd really like to see them in Carey's book, as I feel both of them are poorly underwritten, and have great powers.

[Karthak]

Actually, he wanted to test it to see if they had to lower their forcefield to fire the Suncatcher, which they were obviously preparing to do. I don't really think it was an unreasonable assumption on his part, and it's not like he was going to be hurt by smacking into an operational forcefield anyway.

As for the "overexposed cash cow" line, I take it you're not a fan of Spider-man, Superman or Batman then?

Chill, man. I quoted the thread starter on that one.

[Hi-Fi]

Yeah, than reminds me... Whatever happened to Glob Herman and Dust? I'd really like to see them in Carey's book, as I feel both of them are poorly underwritten.

Glob Herman was sent to prison after the Riot and I'm pretty sure is depowered now. Dust is a pretty important character in New X-Men, where she appears monthly.

[Karli]

Dude...your icon is mesmerizing.

Bwaaahahahaha

-oh mike-

[fishtaco]

So the trade paper back is coming out in a year? If so, why? Is it going to just collect Supernovas, or will it collect both Supernovas and Primary Infection?

And I would have never thought I would ever say this, but I'm starting to appreciate Chris Bachalo's art. I still dislike it, but I'm starting to see why people like it so much. Bachalo is a veteran X-artist. I've tried very hard in the past to like his work. Generation X and Generation Next were good, but I disliked his work after that. I've really tried to make myself like it, but I just can't. His recent work on the Age of Apocalypse mini and on Uncanny X-Men with Claremont was pretty bad in my opinion, but because he's so popular, and I have nothing against him for things he has done at Marvel (unlike some other editors and writers), I'm practicly forcing myself to like him. It's just his cluttered style that I don't like. It's messy, difficult to follow and read, and the character anatomy is off. But Bachalo's art after awhile also has a nice feeling to it that I can't really explain, and I think it's opening me up more to liking his art.

[Toboe]

So the trade paper back is coming out in a year? Why? Is it going to just collect Supernovas, or will it collect both Supernovas and Primary Infection?

And I would have never thought I would ever say this, but I'm starting to appreciate Chris Bachalo's art. I still dislike it, but I'm starting to see why people like it so much. Bachalo is a veteran X-artist. I've tried very hard in the past to like his work. Generation X and Generation Next were good, but I disliked his work after that. I've really tried to make myself like it, but I just can't. His recent work on the Age of Apocalypse mini and on Uncanny X-Men with Claremont was pretty bad in my opinion, but because he's so popular, and I have nothing against him for things he has done at Marvel (unlike some other editors and writers), I'm practicly forcing myself to like him. It's just his cluttered style that I don't like. It's messy, difficult to follow and read, and the character anatomy is off. But Bachalo's art after awhile also has a nice feeling to it that I can't really explain, and I think it's opening me up more to liking his art.

I agree. I used to dislike Bachalo's art a lot, found it messy and difficult to follow as you said, but with this arc I've learned to appreciate it and I'm starting to get to like it... damn it. Must be due to Carey's excellent writing.

[Beast]

So the trade paper back is coming out in a year? Why? Is it going to just collect Supernovas, or will it collect both Supernovas and Primary Infection?
It won't be traded until the entire first year is over, as both it and Uncanny are getting the Oversized Hardcover treatment. The X-Men one should contain Supernovas, Primary Infection, and whatever the 3rd arc is called. As well as the Annual. That's what Marvel has officially announced.

[Hi-Fi]

So the trade paper back is coming out in a year? Why? Is it going to just collect Supernovas, or will it collect both Supernovas and Primary Infection?



The TPB will collect Supernovas, Primary Infection and Condition Critical (XM #188-199). For some reason, Marvel wanted to wait and collect the whole first year of Carey's and Brubaker's runs.

And I agree about Bachalo's art. It's quickly growing on me.

[Beast]

The TPB will collect Supernovas, Primary Infection and Condition Critical (XM #188-199). For some reason, Marvel wanted to wait and collect the whole first year of Carey's and Brubaker's runs.

And I agree about Bachalo's art. It's quickly growing on me.
The 3rd arc is 'Condition Critical'? I hadn't heard the name yet, thanks. That's the Cable centric arc, yes? :)

[Hi-Fi]

The 3rd arc is 'Condition Critical'? I hadn't heard the name yet, thanks. That's the Cable centric arc, yes? :)

Yep, Cable will have a big part on this one.

[Beast]

Yep, Cable will have a big part on this one.
Sounds like torture. Ah well, as long as Carey continues to give me Beast... :D

[Affinity]

It won't be traded until the entire first year is over, as both it and Uncanny are getting the Oversized Hardcover treatment. The X-Men one should contain Supernovas, Primary Infection, and whatever the 3rd arc is called. As well as the Annual. That's what Marvel has officially announced.
Super hardcovers! I'm totally going to buy it. Great news.

It kind of sucks but for the most part I think it's great. I hope they have a LOT of extras in the end!

[fishtaco]

It won't be traded until the entire first year is over, as both it and Uncanny are getting the Oversized Hardcover treatment. The X-Men one should contain Supernovas, Primary Infection, and whatever the 3rd arc is called. As well as the Annual. That's what Marvel has officially announced.That's unfortunate. I'd rather just buy the regular TPBs. I don't even have that kind of patience. (Still waiting patiently for January).

[Faded]

Glad you liked my avatar tuna!

Glob Herman was sent to prison after the Riot and I'm pretty sure is depowered now. Dust is a pretty important character in New X-Men, where she appears monthly.

Glob Herman wasn't depowered.

...

Tattoo was though. :evilangry

I believe Onslaught came and opened the door for them.

Really?

[Hi-Fi]

Glob Herman wasn't depowered.



I just checked the 198 one-shot and you're right.

And you included Charlie in your sig. How adorable is that? ;)

[The Fury]

Finally read this.

Was good.

Too good.

End of.

[satchmo the dragon]

How can someone go through 20 years and then realize it was fake, and not come out of that with massive mental problems. That's a cool power for a villain to be able to do that, kudos to the writer, but they should show Cannonball dealing with the effects of that and not shrugging it off.

[rwsmith]

I don't really get how Serafina was able to do that with Lady M's powers, seeing as how she's not a telepath. I mean, she can create illusions, sure, but how does she convince Sam's psyche that 20 years have passed if it doesn't all take place in his mind? If it does all take place in his mind, then she's not really creating illusions so much as she's manipulating his thoughts (i.e., a telepath).

Seems like a bit of a snafu there IMO.

[Hi-Fi]

How can someone go through 20 years and then realize it was fake, and not come out of that with massive mental problems. That's a cool power for a villain to be able to do that, kudos to the writer, but they should show Cannonball dealing with the effects of that and not shrugging it off.

Well, I think him trying to KILL her was a big way to deal with it.

[caney]

I think Sam is majorly messed up right now. He has to deal with his brother dying and now with what Serafina did to him. I think he truly still has feelings of love for "Sara" despite what he said in this issue, and the fact that he tried to (and may believe that he has) killed Serafina is going to mess with his mind even more. I'm expecting a bit of a meltdown for him in the near future. Also, I think Carey mentioned that Cannonball, who you would think is one of the more stable members of the team, is going to be having some issues. This whole team is a powder keg waiting to explode. It's going to be a spectacular mess when that happens. :D

[Hi-Fi]

I think Sam is majorly messed up right now. He has to deal with his brother dying and now with what Serafina did to him. I think he truly still has feelings of love for "Sara" despite what he said in this issue, and the fact that he tried to (and may believe that he has) killed Serafina is going to mess with his mind even more. I'm expecting a bit of a meltdown for him in the near future. Also, I think Carey mentioned that Cannonball, who you would think is one of the more stable members of the team, is going to be having some issues. This whole team is a powder keg waiting to explode. It's going to be a spectacular mess when that happens. :D

Mike said that Sam's depressing spiral is a subplot. If you take a look at the next issue's preview, you'll se that Sam is not taking crap from Cyclops and Cable. That's my boy! ;)

[Mariah]

I don't really get how Serafina was able to do that with Lady M's powers, seeing as how she's not a telepath. I mean, she can create illusions, sure, but how does she convince Sam's psyche that 20 years have passed if it doesn't all take place in his mind? If it does all take place in his mind, then she's not really creating illusions so much as she's manipulating his thoughts (i.e., a telepath).

Seems like a bit of a snafu there IMO.
It was explained in 189, that she's a very powerful tele-sender. Which would make sense that a person who has illusion powers would allow them the ability to manipulate a person's brain to create the illusions. Being a tele-sender may allow her to send her thoughts but not read or recieve those of others, not making her an official telepath.

[DDM]

I don't really get how Serafina was able to do that with Lady M's powers, seeing as how she's not a telepath. I mean, she can create illusions, sure, but how does she convince Sam's psyche that 20 years have passed if it doesn't all take place in his mind? If it does all take place in his mind, then she's not really creating illusions so much as she's manipulating his thoughts (i.e., a telepath).

Seems like a bit of a snafu there IMO.

Lady Mastermind--like her father, Mastermind--has the mutant ability to create convincing illusions. However, she can pull specific illusions from her victims' minds to create a more personal attack or she can create any other illusion she wishes. Mastermind had to possess the White Queen's "mindtap mechanism" to make personal illusions from his victim--Jean Grey's--mind.

[rwsmith]

It was explained in 189, that she's a very powerful tele-sender. Which would make sense that a person who has illusion powers would allow them the ability to manipulate a person's brain to create the illusions. Being a tele-sender may allow her to send her thoughts but not read or recieve those of others, not making her an official telepath.

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.