Superman vs Pokemon

[Kannoos]

Superman, mind-controlled by Darkseid (who is also shielding him from telepathic attacks) tries to take over the Pokemon world. Does he succeed?
1) LOSH Superman
2) JLU Superman
3) Byrne Superman
4) Current comic Superman
Note: Darkseid is a ridiculously powerful telepath, so a mental attack is not likely to succeed.

[Joe Acro]

Do the creatures/trainers have to fight Darkseid as well?

[Deviant Juvenile]

I seriously think a ghost type would fubar Superman. Not to mention, Destiny Bond would be an effective last resort.

[The MunchKING]

I seriously think a ghost type would fubar Superman. Not to mention, Destiny Bond would be an effective last resort.


Well they could get hurt by fire or Ice moves, so Heat-vision and/or Ice breath ought to work on them.

And Wobuffet has to get off Desitny Bond first.

(although if Ghost types really did styme him, I'd prefer Perish Song.)

[OverMaster]

The biggest problem would be to deal with the speedblitzes. I'm not sure even the fastest Pokemon can reach Supes' top speeds, although I'd say the reality alterers will pwn him if they get an attack in.

Anyway, whatever the result is, Ash gets married to a Primeape. There, it has been said.

[Schornforce]

I just have to ask: since WHEN is Darkseid ANY sort of *@?!!ing telepath?!!!!

Depending on the reality-altering of the ghosts and the power of the telepaths, I think the pokemon COULD take this. Speed-blitzing's fine, but if the pokemon somehow all work together, then I think they have the edge since the vast numbers of poke' cannon fodder can distract Supey long enough for the heavy hitters to gear up and do some damage. If they don't all work together, the poke'verse still has some interesting tech that could hinder Supey enough for someone to think of an effective plan.

I haven't seen LOSH Supes, so I don't know his power level. The pokeverse has a pretty good chance against the JLU Supes. In fact, I think the pokemon powers and numbers overwhelm him.

Barring the 2 slim possibilities listed above, the comic versions of Supey clean house in a curbstomp, however. They're too fast and powerful.

[Charge]

I just have to ask: since WHEN is Darkseid ANY sort of *@?!!ing telepath?!!!!


PC Darkseid was... He controlled 3 billion Daxamites while they were spread across the galaxy.

Post crisis Darkseid hinted at telepathic abilities in OWAW...

[Schornforce]

Ah. Thanks, Charge. I never knew that. I'll have to re-look at OWAW. I was never familiar with PC Darkseid.

[Kannoos]

Do the creatures/trainers have to fight Darkseid as well?
No. Darkseid just wants to make Superman kill things and then feel guilty, or laugh at him getting killed by Pokemon. Either way, he wins.

I would have included Superdick as well, but that would have been too much of a curbstomp.
About LOSH animated Supes: he struggled to hold up 3000 tonnes and eventually collapsed, but he can fly through space and has seriously uber heat vision.

[Tokikun]

Superman gets his ass kicked. There's no way that he can beat every Pokemon in the Pkmn world. Not only are there a total of 386 species of Pokemon, but there are also vast numbers of each species. He cant win.

[KingEli]

Superman gets his ass kicked. There's no way that he can beat every Pokemon in the Pkmn world. Not only are there a total of 386 species of Pokemon, but there are also vast numbers of each species. He cant win.

Your Evidance for this?

Because Kal-El could just Blitz The Holy hell out of Each and every one of them.

[Hiromi]

Obviously as a flying type any electric type could just nuke him out of the side, duh.

[Keollyn]

Superman gets his ass kicked. There's no way that he can beat every Pokemon in the Pkmn world. Not only are there a total of 386 species of Pokemon, but there are also vast numbers of each species. He cant win.

I think there's actually 493 species currently.

[Demon King Psycho]

Can Supes be mindfucked?

Could Mewtwo mindfuck or TK him?

[Guy1]

Can Supes be mindfucked?

Could Mewtwo mindfuck or TK him?
If he got the chance, problem is doing it before Supes blitzes him.

[Captain Morgan]

Doh! !!!!!!

[Captain Morgan]

Well, no Pokemon is outright immune to heat attacks, so none of them can really hope to survive his heat vision. I think this depends on how the Pokemon are distributed. Are they clumped together? Superman wide angle fries them all. Are they spread across the planet? Superman zips around breaking necks, melting guys, marrying them to Mankeys, etc. Or if you want to get mean, he ignites the atmosphere or drops the moon on Earth, or some other means to destroy the planet.

Oh, on the subject of mind rape: Superman is very resistant to telepathic attacks, especially out right mental assualts. When Superman was recently taken control of by Manchester Black, it involved years of prep exploring the mental chinks in his mind's armor. Even then, he didn't outright mind rape him, but used illusions to make him think things like Wonder Woman was Doomsday who just killed Lois Lane. I believe J'onn pwned him something fierce, but that was during the Burning Martian Arc, where he stopped jobbing, and MM has had years to become equanted with Supes's mind, and is really powerful.

Anyway, the OP said he is shielded.

[Knightosis]

I seriously think a ghost type would fubar Superman. Not to mention, Destiny Bond would be an effective last resort.

Not really, since they can't be attacked by normal means, but physical
attacks with an element behind it (like Rock, Steel, Ground, Dragon etc.)
can hurt ghosts. Heat Vision fucks them up irregardless.

And I severly doubt Destiny Bond is going to work on Clark. He's way too
powerful.

[Keollyn]

Well, no Pokemon is outright immune to heat attacks, so none of them can really hope to survive his heat vision. I think this depends on how the Pokemon are distributed. Are they clumped together? Superman wide angle fries them all. Are they spread across the planet? Superman zips around breaking necks, melting guys, marrying them to Mankeys, etc. Or if you want to get mean, he ignites the atmosphere or drops the moon on Earth, or some other means to destroy the planet.

What about Moltres or Magmar?

[Captain Morgan]

What about Moltres or Magmar?

Well, in game they are resistant, but only take half damage. Half of Superman's heat vision on max still makes them evaporate. And if that doesn't kill them, freeze them or snap their necks.

[Keollyn]

No heat source lower than lava should harm those two. And anything of that temperature (or at least for Moltres) should heal them. So one can assume that that is for game purposes.

But I was, in no way, saying Superman's heatvision would be ineffective on them.

[RickDangerous]

I'm surprised no one made mention to the psychology of the Pokemon; specifically, their habit of running away in the face of danger. And having Superman turning Onyx into ice rocks, hurtling him into a mass of odd named creatures with Pokemon going every which way would even make Charizard think twice.

[Farealmer]

It honestly depends on the organization the pokemon get. They could distract him while Celebi sends him to the big bang or the end of time. Or get all the unknown's together to create a opponent to fight him(or power Mewtwo or Deoxys up). But those are really the only option for the higher powered Supermen.

[The MunchKING]

Well, in game they are resistant, but only take half damage. Half of Superman's heat vision on max still makes them evaporate. And if that doesn't kill them, freeze them or snap their necks.
In the game, Magmar is stated as LIKING to live in temps up to 7000degrees, IIRC. So, has Post Crisis Superman gotten that good yet?

[KingEli]

In the game, Magmar is stated as LIKING to live in temps up to 7000degrees, IIRC. So, has Post Crisis Superman gotten that good yet?

He Dip in the Sun. And Chill in there like it's nothing.

[The MunchKING]

He Dip in the Sun. And Chill in there like it's nothing.


I meant with his Heat vision.

[Kannoos]

His heat vision is apparently a lot hotter than the surface of the Sun. And for those talking about a telepathic attack : it won't work because Superman is being mentally shielded by Darkseid.

[Zanku]

telepathic attacks wont be a problem I'd say. Max Lord needed years of prep to get in his mind, and even MM has failed to be able to probe his mind. Is even mewtwo's telepathic abilities on that level? A speedblitz takes care of him, but I didnt think he was xavier/jonn level.

If the pokemon are all in one place he does wide scale heat vision. anything thats left is mopped up by superspeed.


scattered around he just destroys the core of the planet and waits for the fireworks, assuming he is too lazy to go around destroying them all.

[Kannoos]

Just to make it fair, the Pokemon now get prep (and are all forced to team up) and any knowledge about Superman that they can make good use of (but not Kryptonite). I still think they would lose against current comic Superman because none of their attacks would hurt him, but they now stand more of a chance against the others.

[Schornforce]

Mewtwo does have pretty high-end psychic feats. I'd put him "up there" with Xavier or MM, but truthfully, I don't know if he's quite that powerful, since he has WAY fewer feats. The few feats he does have are IMO pretty impressive, however.

From what someone posted about LOSH Superman, the Pokemon may be able to beat him. They can definitely take on JLU Supes. I think Mewtwo alone may be able to hold his own against the JLU Supey. However, where the pocket monsters fail miserably is either of the comic book versions. There's just no way all of them can compete without their powerful psychic attacks.

Just a note-- it was never said whether these were anime' or game versions of the pokemon. If it's the anime versions, the ghost pokemon were tougher than the game ones and one or two could do reality warping in addition to the various ghost attacks-- they'd still lose to comic Supey's speedblitz heatvision/superbreath, however. The only real way the pokemon could deal with Superman (comic version), is if he were A)much slower or B) standing still. Then, Celebi, Mewtwo, Unown, Gengar, etc. could do their fancy powers on him. Alternately, if all the grass pokemon were to assault him with leech seed, giga drain, etc. and any pokemon who can control weather keep out the sun, they may weaken comic Supes enough to be taken down by the combined might of the legendaries. Unfortunately, again, that scenario requires Supes to not have super speed.

It'll be a tough battle, but I think the pokemon can win 2 out of the 4 suggested fights. The other two fights are a curbstomp in Supes' favor, however.

BTW, wasn't there a monster called "Bling" who was a giant purple Pikachu in some Superman comics?

[Zanku]

I dont see how prep changes anything really. even if they somehow found out about red sun radiation, superman took repeated blasts of the stuff from ruin and still was powerful enough to fly across a city to stop a bullet, and remove ruins armor(set to explode as soon as it removed and destroy a good chunk of the city) and fly it into the sky before said explosion.

i dont even know if pokemon would use the prep to the best of their ability, is there some uber genius one that can build stuff?


either way he just has too much power for them to grasp.

[Zanku]

I dunno if the pokemon can take JLU supes at his strongest. He still has heat vision which I'd think would kill a lot of them. He does have some superspeed, enough to dodge their attacks at least and he has done the "speedblitz to take someones weapon away" trick before, so he could do that and KO mewtwo I'd say.

He's also had two fights in volcanoes where his face was repeated pushed down into lava with did nothing to him. Flight would help out as well, some super-sonic claps, etc. I dont think he'd have an easy time, but if fighting smart i'd think maybe he could pull out a win. plus his last fight with darkseid had him punching him clear across a city even with his momentum being slowed down by going through buildings. i dont know how many pokemon could take that kind of damage, plus his speed has him running across oceans in mere seconds, going from the ground into space in 1-2 seconds, etc.

[Schornforce]

Just to make it fair, the Pokemon now get prep (and are all forced to team up) and any knowledge about Superman that they can make good use of (but not Kryptonite). I still think they would lose against current comic Superman because none of their attacks would hurt him, but they now stand more of a chance against the others.

Ah. Given this new scenario. Yes, the pokemon could win. IF the entire legions of general pokemon all gang rush Supes. The psychic pokemon shield the cannon fodder as best they can. Yes, Superman can speed blitz most of them and break through the psychic barriers, but some of the pokemon can slow him down or distract him (there are supposedly millions of pokemon living in that world)-- just long enough for all the dittos to do their work. They transform into Supermen and bum rush him. If they look to be failing, then the legendaries all come in to help. The heavy hitters distract Supes long enough for either Mewtwo or Celebi to simply touch Superman and either teleport him far, far away (in Mewtwo's case) or to send him back/forward in time (Celebi). If all else fails, all pokemon on hand who know perish song and/or destiny bond combine their powers to bring down Supes.

[Shield of Life]

[QUOTE=Zanku]i dont even know if pokemon would use the prep to the best of their ability, is there some uber genius one that can build stuff?
QUOTE]

Well, that would be 5000 IQ Alakazam.

The problem is, how would Superman know which one to KO? Is he aware of which Pokemon are the biggest threats? And he won't percieve them all immediately, especially with ones that can go suborbit, like Mewtwo, but also the various Deoxys, and possibly Lugia/Ho-Oh.

Technically, Ground is out, as all Ghosts have Levitate anyway. But the basic point is correct.

[Schornforce]

I dunno if the pokemon can take JLU supes at his strongest. He still has heat vision which I'd think would kill a lot of them. He does have some superspeed, enough to dodge their attacks at least and he has done the "speedblitz to take someones weapon away" trick before, so he could do that and KO mewtwo I'd say.

He's also had two fights in volcanoes where his face was repeated pushed down into lava with did nothing to him. Flight would help out as well, some super-sonic claps, etc. I dont think he'd have an easy time, but if fighting smart i'd think maybe he could pull out a win. plus his last fight with darkseid had him punching him clear across a city even with his momentum being slowed down by going through buildings. i dont know how many pokemon could take that kind of damage, plus his speed has him running across oceans in mere seconds, going from the ground into space in 1-2 seconds, etc.

I dunno, some of the legendaries are real beasts (pun intended) and Animated Supes wasn't nearly as strong or durable as comic Supes. I'm not saying the pokemon have it easy in any scenario, but I think it's not cut and dried. Mewtwo has some pretty powerful shielding. The only time I remember him getting hurt was because he allowed it to happen in order to try and protect his clone friends. He could also teleport pretty quick which may be an effective counter to animated Supes' speed blitz. I don't recall anything from JLU/Animated Superman that implies he'd be much more powerful than Mewtwo. Maybe that's just me. I do think it'd be incredibly close either way, however... even giving the pokemon every benefit.

After your post, however, Zanku, I realize that I sold JLU Supes short. I still think Mewtwo would be able to keep up with him, but I think it'd take much more than just Mewtwo (since his psychic abilities will have no effect) to put down the Man of Steel.

[Kannoos]

It would be funny if some Dittos managed to copy Superman's powers, and they might be able to become living solar batteries themselves if they duplicated his molecular structure. However, they would still be nowhere near as powerful as him because he has been absorbing yellow solar energy for most of his life.

[Schornforce]

It would be funny if some Dittos managed to copy Superman's powers, and they might be able to become living solar batteries themselves if they duplicated his molecular structure. However, they would still be nowhere near as powerful as him because he has been absorbing yellow solar energy for most of his life.

Perhaps if the various grass pokemon powered them up after transformation with solarbeam, it could boost them enough so that as a group they're at least somewhat of a threat to Supes.

[Farealmer]

Perhaps if the various grass pokemon powered them up after transformation with solarbeam, it could boost them enough so that as a group they're at least somewhat of a threat to Supes.
Now thats a good idea. I still think that with prep though they could collect all the unknon and make an opponent that could at least stall the more powerful Supes and outright beat the weaker ones.

[Joe Acro]

Superman loses due to Ditto. He now has to fight vast numbers of himself plus the large conglomerate of creatures attacking him.

[Evil Sneak]

Geez this is a curbstomp for the Pokemon. Do you know how many scabby little pokemon know Leech Seed.

Breloom
Bulbasaur
Cacnea
Cacturne
Celebi
Exeggcute
Hoppip
Ivysaur
Jumpluff
Roselia
Shroomish
Skiploom
Sunflora
Sunkern
Venusaur

And there are thousands if not millions of each of these Pokes.

And what happens when he touches all the crappy pokes that know Poison Point (Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nidorino, Nidorina, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Qwilfish, Roselia, Seadra) he'll be poisoned.

Not to mention Effect Spore from the crap load of Paras, Parasects, Brelooms Shroomishes in the Pokeworld. That will either Paralyze, Poison or Put him to Sleep.

Hell the sheer number of Gastlys, Haunters and Gengars using Curse would do signifigant damage.

Or all the Grimers, Muks, Venonats, Venomoths, Pysducks, Slopokes who can just Disable him so he's powerless.

Don't get me started on Thunder Wave every Pokemon except the Ground types can learn that. What's Superman gonna do when a billion Rattatas (and if you've ever played the game a billion is on the low end) start Tunder Waving him into Paralysis?

Think the Rattatas are bad, what happens when he goes into the caves looking for the Legendary Birds and runs into a 100 thousand bajillion Zubats using Toxic.

It's not the high powered Pokes that will do Supes in, it's the trillions of low powered cannon fodder Pokes that will extinguish his power stores.

Especially with all the Rain Dancers in the game.

[KingEli]

Geez this is a curbstomp for the Pokemon. Do you know how many scabby little pokemon know Leech Seed.

Breloom
Bulbasaur
Cacnea
Cacturne
Celebi
Exeggcute
Hoppip
Ivysaur
Jumpluff
Roselia
Shroomish
Skiploom
Sunflora
Sunkern
Venusaur

And there are thousands if not millions of each of these Pokes.

And what happens when he touches all the crappy pokes that know Poison Point (Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nidorino, Nidorina, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Qwilfish, Roselia, Seadra) he'll be poisoned.

Not to mention Effect Spore from the crap load of Paras, Parasects, Brelooms Shroomishes in the Pokeworld. That will either Paralyze, Poison or Put him to Sleep.

Hell the sheer number of Gastlys, Haunters and Gengars using Curse would do signifigant damage.

Or all the Grimers, Muks, Venonats, Venomoths, Pysducks, Slopokes who can just Disable him so he's powerless.

Don't get me started on Thunder Wave every Pokemon except the Ground types can learn that. What's Superman gonna do when a billion Rattatas (and if you've ever played the game a billion is on the low end) start Tunder Waving him into Paralysis?

Think the Rattatas are bad, what happens when he goes into the caves looking for the Legendary Birds and runs into a 100 thousand bajillion Zubats using Toxic.

It's not the high powered Pokes that will do Supes in, it's the trillions of low powered cannon fodder Pokes that will extinguish his power stores.

Especially with all the Rain Dancers in the game.

Sure. Because Kal can't you know Blitz them.:rolleyes:

Anyway, whats Stopping him from just Sun Dipping himself and screwing Poke Earth over?

[Kannoos]

Sure. Because Kal can't you know Blitz them.:rolleyes:

Anyway, whats Stopping him from just Sun Dipping himself and screwing Poke Earth over?

I think current comic Supes is the only one that can sundip out of the various incarnations. JLU Superman can't even survive in space without Oxygen, we don't yet know if the LOSH version can (although it would be cool to see Sun Boy or someone charge him up to fight an enemy at some point), Byrne's version never attempted it (he could only hold his breath in space for an hour, and the concept of sundipping had not yet been established at the time).
BTW, I think the post that you quoted is probably just a joke.

[Knightosis]

I love how people immediately assume that some of these Pokemon moves like
Toxic, Glare, Leech Seed etc. will instantly work on a class 100+ Kryptonian
that has a level of durability and endurance that far far FAR exceeds anything
in Pokemon.

Honestly, the thought of Leech Seed, aside from any status inflicting move
working on Clark? Delusional, if not retarded.

[Schornforce]

I love how people immediately assume that some of these Pokemon moves like
Toxic, Glare, Leech Seed etc. will instantly work on a class 100+ Kryptonian
that has a level of durability and endurance that far far FAR exceeds anything
in Pokemon.

Honestly, the thought of Leech Seed, aside from any status inflicting move
working on Clark? Delusional, if not retarded.

All those stat effects could affect 3 of the 4 Supermen listed. The current one is the only one that I know of who'd be pretty much immune. The Byrne era one would be insanely tough to the stat effects, but is more vulnerable than current Supes. The two animated versions however, seem more likely to be affected by such attacks (done in combination by the presumably millions of pokemon available).

In my scenarios posted, the most these attacks do is slow down Supes enough or drain him a bit so the heavy hitting Pokemon could in unison have a better chance of beating him down. True, the pokemon universe doesn't have anyone near as powerful as Superman, but as a unified army with prep(as described in the second scenario) they have a decent (albeit highly difficult uphill) chance.

[Evil Sneak]

I love how people immediately assume that some of these Pokemon moves like
Toxic, Glare, Leech Seed etc. will instantly work on a class 100+ Kryptonian
that has a level of durability and endurance that far far FAR exceeds anything
in Pokemon.

Honestly, the thought of Leech Seed, aside from any status inflicting move
working on Clark? Delusional, if not retarded.


Why wouldn't they?'

Durability has nothing to do with those moves. Those are status conditions, they bypass strength and defensive capabilities. Are you telling me Superman has never been Paralyzed before? Has never been Poisoned? Has never been put to Sleep?

What makes the physics of Superman's world more prevalent then the Poke World's? In fact this is Clark in the Pokeworld (as designated by the OP) so it's reasonable to assume that the abilites of the Pokes would be at their full capabilities.

That means Thunder Wave works on everyone except Ground types. That means Toxic affects everything except Steel & Poison types. That means everyone without the Vital Spirit ability are vulnerable to Sing.

All of those attacks are indirect attacks, much like hypersonic devices and strobbing devices villains have used to disorient Clark in the past. Shy is it such a leap to say Thunder Wave = Stobbing device & Sing = Hypersonic device.

I seem to recall Superman having the energy drained from him in the past by devices and by being around the Parasite. Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to think that Leech Seed or Toxic couldn't do the same. It's been shown to affect every other living being the the Poke-verse.

[Kannoos]

You seem to be forgetting that Superman is invulnerable. Thunder wave would not work on him - when has a fully powered Superman ever been paralysed by some electricity? Poison type attacks aren't going to do anything to an invulnerable man either - he's actually sucked in poisonous gas to stop people being hurt. Even if they manage to make him fall asleep with Sing (which I doubt would work), they couldn't do anything to him even when asleep. Leech seed would only have a negligible effect on a being of such power, assuming that its draining effect can get through the aura that makes him invulnerable in the first place.

[Zanku]

Durability has nothing to do with those moves. Those are status conditions, they bypass strength and defensive capabilities. Are you telling me Superman has never been Paralyzed before? Has never been Poisoned? Has never been put to Sleep?

Superman isnt just durable. He's immune to almost all forms of disease, radiation, etc. Superman was even able to *inhale* magical poisonous gas from the demon etrigan with no ill effects to himself. I do not recall superman ever being poisoned(by something other than kryptonite) or put to sleep without the use of magic.

JLU supes has immunities as well. The first episode of justice league with the martian invaders when him and hawkgirl infiltrate their ship the invaders begin to leak some sort of poisonous gas into the room and it drops hawkgirl but superman is not effected in the slightest.

If superman can inhale magical poisonous gas and be ok i dont see any poison the pokemon can dish out doing anything to him.




I seem to recall Superman having the energy drained from him in the past by devices and by being around the Parasite. Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to think that Leech Seed or Toxic couldn't do the same. It's been shown to affect every other living being the the Poke-verse.

devices that drain supermans energy are high in the technology department, and parasite is completely different from pokemon. his powers come from a completely different source and work in a completely different manner.

toxic wont work simply because supermans shown to be immune to stronger forms of poison. whats leech seed do? drain your powers? even if that worked, it wouldnt drain them all right away, and surely would not work quick enough to where they could harm him. the way you talk you act as if tear gas would effect superman or something. his body is invulnerable down to a cellular level, which is why he is resistant to a lot of disease, etc. pokemon just arent in supermans league, or anywhere close

[The MunchKING]

I love how people immediately assume that some of these Pokemon moves like
Toxic, Glare, Leech Seed etc. will instantly work on a class 100+ Kryptonian
that has a level of durability and endurance that far far FAR exceeds anything
in Pokemon.

Well the Poison Point, and Spore-body are reactionary abilities. The Pokemon don't have to do anything to activate them, it's caused bey touching them.


Honestly, the thought of Leech Seed, aside from any status inflicting move working on Clark? Delusional, if not retarded.

Why?? His body is like 80% biological solar power. Leech seed should work AWESOMELY on him, assuming a Pokemon could actually hit him with it.

[The MunchKING]

Why wouldn't they?'

Durability has nothing to do with those moves. Those are status conditions, they bypass strength and defensive capabilities. Are you telling me Superman has never been Paralyzed before? Has never been Poisoned? Has never been put to Sleep?

What makes the physics of Superman's world more prevalent then the Poke World's? In fact this is Clark in the Pokeworld (as designated by the OP) so it's reasonable to assume that the abilites of the Pokes would be at their full capabilities.

That means Thunder Wave works on everyone except Ground types. That means Toxic affects everything except Steel & Poison types. That means everyone without the Vital Spirit ability are vulnerable to Sing.

Point of Intrest, IIRC, Poison types are not immune to Toxic.

(At least my Gengar and Venisaur got hit with it alot.)


All of those attacks are indirect attacks, much like hypersonic devices and strobbing devices villains have used to disorient Clark in the past. Shy is it such a leap to say Thunder Wave = Stobbing device & Sing = Hypersonic device.

I seem to recall Superman having the energy drained from him in the past by devices and by being around the Parasite. Why is it such a stretch of the imagination to think that Leech Seed or Toxic couldn't do the same. It's been shown to affect every other living being the the Poke-verse.

Because Toxic is a posion. It should affect him a lot faster than a normal Pokemon though because he's going so much faster than them. But it's not the same as an energy drain from parasite.

[The MunchKING]

whats leech seed do? drain your powers? Sticks a magi plant in you that sucks up all your energy and feeds on it.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Sticks a magi plant in you that sucks up all your energy and feeds on it.

Actually, it gives the energy it drains to your currently active Pokemon. In a massive battle, it'd probably give the energy to the nearest Pokemon.

And Munch, given that Pokemon don't have an accuracy stat, I'd say each attack would ahve it's normal chance to hit. What is it, 80% or 70% for Leech Seed? Toxic has a 90% chance, I believe.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Because Toxic is a posion. It should affect him a lot faster than a normal Pokemon though because he's going so much faster than them. But it's not the same as an energy drain from parasite.

Given that Toxic gets stronger the more it spreads, wouldn't Supes enhanced metabolism cause Toxic to work faster and do more damage?

[Kannoos]

Superman cannot be poisoned. He has always been invulnerable to it. Leech seed only works quite slowly, and energy absorbed by Superman from yellow sunlight will easily compensate for the drain.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Superman cannot be poisoned. He has always been invulnerable to it. Leech seed only works quite slowly, and energy absorbed by Superman from yellow sunlight will easily compensate for the drain.

Considering Toxic works on things such as living lava, holograms, and other such things... it working on Supes isn't that big of a stretch.

Think of it as living, universal, green Kryptonite. It's everything's weakness. Except Poison types.

[The MunchKING]

Actually, it gives the energy it drains to your currently active Pokemon. In a massive battle, it'd probably give the energy to the nearest Pokemon.

But it also helps the plant grow...


And Munch, given that Pokemon don't have an accuracy stat, I'd say each attack would ahve it's normal chance to hit. What is it, 80% or 70% for Leech Seed? Toxic has a 90% chance, I believe.

Well Supes, WOULD have a high evasion Rate.

[The MunchKING]

Considering Toxic works on things such as living lava, holograms, and other such things... it working on Supes isn't that big of a stretch.

Think of it as living, universal, green Kryptonite. It's everything's weakness. Except Poison types.

Including Poison. Just not Steel.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Well Supes, WOULD have a high evasion Rate.

Evasion's max is 50% dodge, isn't it? It's not that useful.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Including Poison. Just not Steel.

Oh, I thought pure poison types were immune.

[The MunchKING]

Oh, I thought pure poison types were immune.
I dunno, I never used a pure Poison type. Duel-types are much more useful.

[Deviant Juvenile]

I dunno, I never used a pure Poison type. Duel-types are much more useful.

True, but I think a dual type poison gets it's vulnerability to Toxic from the other type.

Man, a poison/steel type would be killer.

[The MunchKING]

True, but I think a dual type poison gets it's vulnerability to Toxic from the other type.

Man, a poison/steel type would be killer.

Ghost/Dark with Levitate.

Immune to Normal, Fighting, Psychic, Ground.

Weak to: Ghost, Bug.

That would be AWESOME.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Ghost/Dark with Levitate.

Immune to Normal, Fighting, Psychic, Ground.

Weak to: Ghost, Bug.

That would be AWESOME.

Eh, there's a lot of bugs out there.

[The MunchKING]

Eh, there's a lot of bugs out there.

Yeah but they all have crap for power. Not to mention almost none of them use Bug type moves except Pinsir and Heracross. And even Heracross mostly uses Fighting.

[Deviant Juvenile]

Yeah but they all have crap for power. Not to mention almost none of them use Bug type moves except Pinsir and Heracross. And even Heracross mostly uses Fighting.

What would be weak against a ghost/dark type anyway?

[The MunchKING]

What would be weak against a ghost/dark type anyway?
Assuming it had Ghost and Dark type moves?

Ghosts, Psychics, that kind of thing.

I'd have to look it up.

[Farealmer]

Dark/ghost is considered the most powerful type combo in the game it's why the only pokemon that has it is weak.

[Nik Hasta]

The Pokemon could get all the Machokes and above to ditch their limiter belts which apparently puts them into planet buster strength.

I believe Munchy cited this from a pokedex somewhere, they'd at least slow down Supes if a like a hundred or so Class 100+ Pokemon dogpiled him.

[Shield of Life]

The way I see it, there are simply too many ways the Pokemon can fight. Apparently, some Pokemon can physically outslug Superman (A non-limited Machamp could very well be Hulk-level) and the barrage of elemental abilities coming from all angles would open Superman up from a big hit from something like Lugia or Deoxys.

Also consider the numbers - billions of Pokemon, some with powers at least comparable to his, except for the unique ones. And since this is the Pokemon world, is it not conceivable that something like the hoax pokemon that people talked about in the RBY incarnations could actually be made by some scientist?? (Mewthree? Chronomew?)

[Zanku]

Some pokemon have powers comparable to his?

when did machamp show superman level strength? theres a difference between being class 100 and being on supermans level.


and poison might work a lot in the pokemon universe, but that holds no barrings on superman. can anyone recall him every being posioned, besides by kryptonite? even magical poisonous gas didnt harm him and he frickin inhaled it, and he's not as resistant to magic as other things. its a safe bet that nothing in the pokemon universe will do the trick, unless people can provide non-kryptonite induced poison instances i dont see it happening.

[Knightosis]

Why?? His body is like 80% biological solar power. Leech seed should work AWESOMELY on him, assuming a Pokemon could actually hit him with it.

First of all, Clark's physiology is not only vastly tougher, but vastly more
resistant than anything from Pokemon.

A Leech Seed fired by a Bulbasaur, is going to bounce off of Clark. And
canonly speaking, I highly doubt that a Leech Seed from a Venusaur could
affect say, the Legedary pokemon that controls time/space.

The higher the power gap, the less likely a move is going to work due to
the vast differences in power.

So in Clark's case, unless a Legendary is hitting him, any other Pokemon
attack isn't going to phase him.

[Joe Acro]

So in Clark's case, unless a Legendary is hitting him, any other Pokemon
attack isn't going to phase him.
Transform does more damage than anything a Legendary could dish out.

[Knightosis]

Transform does more damage than anything a Legendary could dish out.

What, you talking about Ditto?

Who actually has one of the weakest stats (and is overall, one of the
weakest Pokemon?)

Oh yeah, sending an army of weak Supermen is going to prove affective. :rolleyes:

[Joe Acro]

What, you talking about Ditto?

Who actually has one of the weakest stats (and is overall, one of the
weakest Pokemon?)

Oh yeah, sending an army of weak Supermen is going to prove affective. :rolleyes:
Billions of Ditto at, say, an eighth of Supes's strength ganging up on him would still be more effective than any other move I can think of. And besides, there are ones besides Ditto that get Transform. I think Mew learns it.

[Knightosis]

Except that by Pokemon canon, there is only 1 Mew.

Besides, there aren't a billion Dittos. And Ditto copying Superman, who is
completely different from any Pokemon, is going to be very difficult to
adjust too.

So before any of them can get the hang of being Superman effectively,
they get blitzed down.

Let's also remember that Ditto's stats DON'T CHANGE whenever they transform.
Which means that although they can transform, they do not gain a power,
speed, whatever stats they are turning into. They keep their own.

[Captain Morgan]

As knightosis pointed out, Ditto doesn't stat change, hence why it isn't a top tier Pokemon, and is actually rather useless.

A Ditto would get the ability to fly, shoot weak heat from its eyes, maker small gusts of wind, and freeze thinga bit, but nowhere near aproaching the scale of Superman's powers.

Hell, a top tier Pokemon can end a Ditto before it can use its transformed abilties.

[Shield of Life]

Couldn't that be listed as game mechanics? In the anime (never read the manga) transformed Dittos were never curbstomped by their normal counterparts, which is what should happen if they kept their original stats.

Even so, they would still likely disorient or confuse him, at least until he actually punches one.

[Joe Acro]

Sure, Dittos have weaker stats. I never said they didn't.

I think you guys are giving Supes too much credit on this speed blitzing notion. He can't take everything before someone blinks.

[The MunchKING]

First of all, Clark's physiology is not only vastly tougher, but vastly more
resistant than anything from Pokemon. Clark's in the planet smashers now?

But anyway... the answer to ALL Pokemon's problems??

Ditto!!

Ditto Trainer: Ditto!! Turn into that Superman!!

Ditto: Dit-TO!! *turns into Superman*

Superman: Oh the ol' 'Evil me' Trick eh?? well I can still beat you...

Ditto Trainer: My other 5 Dittos, Turn into Super man!!

Dittos: Dit-TO!!! *they all become Superman.*

Superman: Oooooooooh SHIT.

[The MunchKING]

As knightosis pointed out, Ditto doesn't stat change, hence why it isn't a top tier Pokemon, and is actually rather useless.

Would Super man's super power count as a skill he could learn though??

[Farealmer]

As knightosis pointed out, Ditto doesn't stat change, hence why it isn't a top tier Pokemon, and is actually rather useless.
But would that really matter, Superman himself isn't much better than a normal human it's when he soaks up yellow sun that he gets powered up. If ditto learned that ability then eventually he'd get powered up just like Superman. It might take a couple of solar beams and a sun dip or two(depending on the Superman).

[Kannoos]

But would that really matter, Superman himself isn't much better than a normal human it's when he soaks up yellow sun that he gets powered up. If ditto learned that ability then eventually he'd get powered up just like Superman. It might take a couple of solar beams and a sun dip or two(depending on the Superman).
The problem is that Superman wouldn't just stand there and let them do that if he had basic knowledge - he'd go after the Dittos as soon as they transformed. The other Pokemon wouldn't really be able to keep him occupied or distract him as he would be calling the shots because of his speed.