Will we ever know what happen to kandor in supergirl

[IamtheRock3]

Not to mention, the info the villan Gave Super girl

It WAS the reason she left. But they seem to drop it


Will we see it picked up. I know Rucka left unexpected and they had to leave the story. But they kind of left a little Plot dangling with the deal Supergirl made


What was the Info she got exactly


Kind of importan. cause people say she a jerk, but pretty much can defend most of the stuff she done as either. She was attack first, or just teenage stuff

But here she not only left, but she seem to Snatch powergirl along with her.

[Jack Zodiac]

She found out from Saturn Queen the location of Argo City, where she came from. The only place in the universe besides Earth and Kandor where Kryptonians still live. And then, after she learned this, she did nothing with it and left Kandor in the hands of a time-traveling villain.

[RabidWolfe]

Or - Joe Kelly didn't want to deal with another writer's plot thread so he dropped it.

So now we have a Supergirl with no morals, who lets Kandor be ruled by evil, ruthless people and decides to let her people rot in space.


Yea. No wonder I'm dropping this title from my list.

[Ontir]

When Waid is done with her in the Legion, she'll end up in our time, and that will probably fill in the last few pieces of the mystery.

[IamtheRock3]

always why they didnt just pull a Duex Machina to stop the villans of kandor

instead of just dropping it

would take the same amount of time

[linkorien]

kandor is supermans responsability (did i spell that right)
read a wounderfull book i think godfall its not only a good read it hits deep on kandor and says somthing along the line of its his responsability (?) and he forgot about but never agen i dont know somthing like that

[AaronJ]

I will bet anyone that Kelly doesn't drop it.

But then again, it seems like he has a long-term plan for the character, so don't expect an answer tomorrow.

It was part of Kara's development as a character, as well. A new-ish character needs a couple of high profile failures. She needs to have selfishness get in the way of doing the right thing, now and again. She isn't perfect, she's a teenager, and she's still new to the whole being a super-heroine deal.

If she just emerged from her pod perfected and god-like, like Superman, everyone would be saying "Geez, when are they gonna get rid of this Mary Sue of a character?!"

She's a good person, but good people screw up. The more she experiences, the more she faces herself, the more she will not make the same mistakes.

In other words, she is three-dimensional. That's supposed to be a good thing, right?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I will bet anyone that Kelly doesn't drop it.

But then again, it seems like he has a long-term plan for the character, so don't expect an answer tomorrow.

It was part of Kara's development as a character, as well. A new-ish character needs a couple of high profile failures. She needs to have selfishness get in the way of doing the right thing, now and again. She isn't perfect, she's a teenager, and she's still new to the whole being a super-heroine deal.

If she just emerged from her pod perfected and god-like, like Superman, everyone would be saying "Geez, when are they gonna get rid of this Mary Sue of a character?!"

She's a good person, but good people screw up. The more she experiences, the more she faces herself, the more she will not make the same mistakes.

In other words, she is three-dimensional. That's supposed to be a good thing, right?

She sent a entire city to the pit. It was like she took them out of a pool of sharks for a while cause she "had to", and the minute she found so info on herself, she dropped them back in. However, the sharks are at the other side of the pool, but still sense the blood.

If you want to use "three-dimensional" characters, then fine: Note - this is if they had the power.

Batgirl, pre-OYL (probably even post), wouldn't have done that

Stargirl wouldn't have done that

Superboy wouldn't have done that

Arzael would have killed them before letting that happen.

None of the Seven soldiers, even the one that actually turned evil, Klarion, would have done that.

Heck, Wonder Girl wouldn't have done that. And I still think she's a idiot (heroic, but still).


These are all fleshed out characters, some on the wrong end of the spectrum, and yet I'm sure no one would do that. I don't consider that action three-dimensional, I consider that either bad writing (seeing how it's been ignored), or another reason why I don't like Supergirl right now.

There's no way anyone can excuse that action, cause even that emo Shinji Ikari would have at least taken out those guys.

[AaronJ]

That scene between Kara and PG in #9 pretty much insures that it is not going to be ignored. Especially the way the scene ended.

Now, it might not be the story you would write. But I always find it sort of hilarious when, just because certain things are not fleshed out in the time frame that a fan wants them to be, someone like Joe Kelly is a bad writer.

Sure. OK.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

That scene between Kara and PG in #9 pretty much insures that it is not going to be ignored. Especially the way the scene ended.

Now, it might not be the story you would write. But I always find it sort of hilarious when, just because certain things are not fleshed out in the time frame that a fan wants them to be, someone like Joe Kelly is a bad writer.

Sure. OK.


You missed my point. I didn't say bad writer, I say bad writing. Everyone suffers from it. Jeez.

And Supergirl has pretty much brushed off the situation. This doesn't mean she can't just go back and fix it, but even if she did, the damage, from a readers point of view, has been done.

[AaronJ]

And Supergirl has pretty much brushed off the situation. This doesn't mean she can't just go back and fix it, but even if she did, the damage, from a readers point of view, has been done.

Not from my point of view.

I have to see how it all plays out before I can judge. But one of the reasons I like Kara is that she is flawed. Sometimes it manifests itself in little ways, and sometimes in big, colossal ways.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Not from my point of view.

I have to see how it all plays out before I can judge. But one of the reasons I like Kara is that she is flawed. Sometimes it manifests itself in little ways, and sometimes in big, colossal ways.

You know who she reminds me of, and this maybe why she so popular: Rogue.

I HATE Rogue, and one of the reasons is because of one crime she commited: Almost killing Ms. Marvel. I don't like Ms. Marvel either, but that was such a amoral move from Rogue.

But beyond that, her overall "flawed" personality that pretty much the entire X-Men had made me dislike them, which is why I only read core-Marvel titles.


So, in other words, different strokes for different folks. However, I believe Supergirl should only have one title. DC should push other Superheroes and Heroines into the limelight, much more than Supergirl.

There are heroes in the DCU that haven't gotten their chance of having a mainstream solo title because DC won't take a chance with them. I mean, if Firestrom and Manhunter can have a title, than many of the Seven Soldiers should have one too. DC bothers me greatly sometimes.

[AaronJ]

That's interesting. I never really have read Marvel. I'm reading Astonishing X-Men right now. And also just bought Morrison's New X-Men HC.

But Emma Frost is a core character in Astonishing, and seems to be in New X-Men as well, though I just started. And she was an outright villain at one point, right? And even as a team member, she seems rather morally ambigous to put it mildly. And she is my favorite, by far.

So, I'll take your word for the the Rogue comaprison, since I only really know her from the movies.

Really, Supergirl does only have one book. Yes, they added her to LoSH, and it has helped, at least a bit with sales. And even most people who dislike her in her own book, seem to be happy with her addition to LoSH. It seems like it, anyways. And that's a team book, so it's no different than Robin being in Robin and Teen Titans (as well as Batman), or Nightwing being in his own book and The Outsiders.

But sure, the more obscure characters have tons of potential. I'm not at all opposed to seeing any new book. I'll definitely give it a try if it has any interest for me at all.

Except that I want my Blonde Justice book, with Kara and Wonder Girl. I may be the only one in the world who wnats it, but I want it, and I want it yesterday. :)

[Jack Zodiac]

I keep saying, a book like Birds of Prey for the real powerhouse females would be awesome. Power Girl, Wonder Girl, Supergirl and Donna (whoever she'll be that week).

Anyway, Kara. Yes, she's flawed. Flawed as all get-out, and that's fine. She's sixteen or seventeen, she's wildly immature, and she's expected to be something she's not sure she can be. I just don't wanna' read about it. If and when Joe picks up the Argo City loose end again, or the forgotten bottled city of Kandor, I'll probably start reading it again, but the downtime between major plot points from Loeb's run and Rucka's quarter-assed idea isn't interesting me at all.

[BYC]

I keep saying, a book like Birds of Prey for the real powerhouse females would be awesome. Power Girl, Wonder Girl, Supergirl and Donna (whoever she'll be that week).


Cut out Donna, and name the book Blonds of Prey, and I'll check it out :)

[IamtheRock3]

That scene between Kara and PG in #9 pretty much insures that it is not going to be ignored. Especially the way the scene ended.

Now, it might not be the story you would write. But I always find it sort of hilarious when, just because certain things are not fleshed out in the time frame that a fan wants them to be, someone like Joe Kelly is a bad writer.

Sure. OK.


Got admit it was rather ABRUPT

comic befor that they were ready to fight, heck supergirl was about to kill the guy. Next comic back on earth with a few pages flashing back

I took it as Kelly just didnt want to write the story Rucka had plan and went "f this"

understanble. Blame that more on Rucka. But because of this really dont think it be picked up

And understand Teenager make mistakes. Dont hate supergirl. In fact the new run been good

But really cant defend Kandor. Being a Teenager is not a get out of Moral jail free card. Wasn't bad but I wasnt perfect. But really didn't justify any jerky actions I did. Probally was just being a jerky, just like Adults can be jerky

Supergirl not a villan or really Bad when things said and done

but kandor was a JERK move. Not going to condemmed her for it. Still like her but wont let her completly slide either


That said Supergirl been around for a while now. Superman/Batman and 11 issues of Supergirl. In her current series she has let to show SUPER HERIOSIM.

Sooner or Later she has to start being heroic. I mean it been over a year REAL time, sense her comic came out.

Heck Vic Mackey from the Shield does more heroic stuff with in a year then she does

I wait it out. But if its ISSUE 24 and she hasn't really least started showing signs of being heroic..well then thats bad

[IamtheRock3]

That's interesting. I never really have read Marvel. I'm reading Astonishing X-Men right now. And also just bought Morrison's New X-Men HC.

But Emma Frost is a core character in Astonishing, and seems to be in New X-Men as well, though I just started. And she was an outright villain at one point, right? And even as a team member, she seems rather morally ambigous to put it mildly. And she is my favorite, by far.

So, I'll take your word for the the Rogue comaprison, since I only really know her from the movies.

Really, Supergirl does only have one book. Yes, they added her to LoSH, and it has helped, at least a bit with sales. And even most people who dislike her in her own book, seem to be happy with her addition to LoSH. It seems like it, anyways. And that's a team book, so it's no different than Robin being in Robin and Teen Titans (as well as Batman), or Nightwing being in his own book and The Outsiders.

But sure, the more obscure characters have tons of potential. I'm not at all opposed to seeing any new book. I'll definitely give it a try if it has any interest for me at all.

Except that I want my Blonde Justice book, with Kara and Wonder Girl. I may be the only one in the world who wnats it, but I want it, and I want it yesterday. :)

Well note legion version much more nicely, friend and maybe crazy

In fact think it not really supergirl and they will pull a JUDUS CONTRACT like twist

she basicly to good to be true

[BYC]

Technically, she has been heroic. OYL in Look Up in the Sky, Clark stated that Kara has done a good job protecting Metropolis for a year.

Somebody at DC missed a memo, cause OYL + 1 month is when the Kandor storyline is suppose to occur with Power Girl. Obviously, that kills the continunity.

[AaronJ]

Technically, she has been heroic. OYL in Look Up in the Sky, Clark stated that Kara has done a good job protecting Metropolis for a year.

Somebody at DC missed a memo, cause OYL + 1 month is when the Kandor storyline is suppose to occur with Power Girl. Obviously, that kills the continunity.

No, Kara had been protecting Metropolis during the missing year, while Clark was powerless. Once Clark regained his powers, and she wasn't needed there, she went off to Kandor with Power Girl.

IC
Clark powerless, Kara protects Metropolis.
Clark regains powers.
Kara leaves for Kandor.
Present.

It fits together perfectly, actually.

[dupersuper]

Or it will, assuming they fit whatever split Clark and Kara had into that month, and don't intend for it to be during 52.

[IamtheRock3]

No, Kara had been protecting Metropolis during the missing year, while Clark was powerless. Once Clark regained his powers, and she wasn't needed there, she went off to Kandor with Power Girl.

IC
Clark powerless, Kara protects Metropolis.
Clark regains powers.
Kara leaves for Kandor.
Present.

It fits together perfectly, actually.


Yea but didnt he get his power exactly 1 year later. So that doesnt include the month spit. Other it be 11 months later, during 52

and she was supsose to be in Kandor for a while too.

[bfrank]

No, Kara had been protecting Metropolis during the missing year, while Clark was powerless. Once Clark regained his powers, and she wasn't needed there, she went off to Kandor with Power Girl.

IC
Clark powerless, Kara protects Metropolis.
Clark regains powers.
Kara leaves for Kandor.
Present.

It fits together perfectly, actually.
but how could she do that if some energy blast knocks her to the future.....she certainly didn't return with the other space heroes in 52....in fact, at week 30, have we seen her at all? Since there are 52 weeks in a year, I doubt she was protecting metropolis for the entire year......

[BYC]

No, Kara had been protecting Metropolis during the missing year, while Clark was powerless. Once Clark regained his powers, and she wasn't needed there, she went off to Kandor with Power Girl.

IC
Clark powerless, Kara protects Metropolis.
Clark regains powers.
Kara leaves for Kandor.
Present.

It fits together perfectly, actually.

I knew that. I should have been more clear however. This is what I meant.

I think it was poor writing for Supergirl to have protected Metropolis for a year, and not grown as a person. Just because Superman returns, doesn't mean she can't still help people of the world. It's as if since Superman is back, she feels like she can skip out on being responsible and do whatever she wants in Kandor. People do regress in life, but it seems bad writing for Supergirl to have such a big role, and once the pressure is gone, to revert so completely to how she was written pre-IC and OYL.

[AaronJ]

but how could she do that if some energy blast knocks her to the future.....she certainly didn't return with the other space heroes in 52....in fact, at week 30, have we seen her at all? Since there are 52 weeks in a year, I doubt she was protecting metropolis for the entire year......

She is in the 31st century and 21st century.

They aren't happening at the same time. I was alive in the year 2000. And I am alive in the year 2006. I could write a comic about my life in 2000 and my life in 2006, and put both of those comics out at the same time (in our time).

[AaronJ]

I knew that. I should have been more clear however. This is what I meant.

I think it was poor writing for Supergirl to have protected Metropolis for a year, and not grown as a person. Just because Superman returns, doesn't mean she can't still help people of the world. It's as if since Superman is back, she feels like she can skip out on being responsible and do whatever she wants in Kandor. People do regress in life, but it seems bad writing for Supergirl to have such a big role, and once the pressure is gone, to revert so completely to how she was written pre-IC and OYL.

But she didn't revert at all.

She goes out with Owen and tries to find someone who is beating up his wife. She stops him. She tries to work with the Outsiders. She takes a shot at having a secret id and going to high school.

Kara's stories, for the most part, since getting back from Kandor have been establishing her character for the future of Kelly's run.

Issue #9: Redefining Kara, as Kelly takes over the title. She isn't "like THAT." Can Kara not be a superhero?

Issue #10: Will a secret id work for Kara? No, she is Supergirl, not a high school student.

Issue #11: Maybe a team will work? Maybe she can find her role working with others?

Kelly is showing Kara work through her identity issues. She doesn't quite know where she fits in. She's trying to find out.

[BYC]

But she didn't revert at all.

She definitely reverted. She went from helping in Metropolis, using the teachings of Superman to be a hero, to just dropping everything in Kandor because she was confused, either because of Saturn Queen, or she didn't really want to be a hero.

She's screwed up in the head, okay, I can buy it. She doesn't really want to be a hero, okay, I can accept that as well. But there's a communication problem between OYL and OYL + 1 month, and that's the problem I have. Otherwise, everything is cool.

Normally, I don't like the bitchy type, but I don't mind it in Kara for some reason.

[AaronJ]

She definitely reverted. She went from helping in Metropolis, using the teachings of Superman to be a hero, to just dropping everything in Kandor because she was confused, either because of Saturn Queen, or she didn't really want to be a hero.

But see, I don't see that as reverting. Or, I didn't think that was what you meant when I read your earlier message.

In Kandor, she had a crisis. She couldn't deal with it, and failed. But that was a specific sort of case, as opposed to just generally not dealing with her world, etc.

I guess we could both be right, depending on what one means.

[bfrank]

She is in the 31st century and 21st century.

They aren't happening at the same time. I was alive in the year 2000. And I am alive in the year 2006. I could write a comic about my life in 2000 and my life in 2006, and put both of those comics out at the same time (in our time).

again, she has yet to be seen in 52 at week 30 (now 31).....she was not protecting metropolis for the entire year........