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metalhead_dave743

11-22-2006, 11:24 AM

I liked the synthetic webbing, it was showing off the scientist side of Peter. And the fact he could make virtually anything with them was awesome. I think organic webbing leaves him at more of a disadvantage.

Karthak

11-22-2006, 12:06 PM

I don´t see why organic webbing would be bad.

The Confessor

11-22-2006, 12:50 PM

Well, I like the organic webbing!

I also liked it when he was using his home built web-shooters and web fluid...I liked how that illustrated the 'science whizz' part of his character.

But I think the organics are a positive evolution of the character.

Cayman

11-22-2006, 12:57 PM

I prefer the organic webbing myself.

trevize

11-22-2006, 01:30 PM

I hate organic webbing.

Dark Soul # 7

11-22-2006, 01:32 PM

If they had done it in a different way organic webbing might've been ok.
Instead it turned out to be a pointless development of his powers made for the sole purpose of not confusing the people that only started reading the comics after they saw the movie.

scottv

11-22-2006, 04:24 PM

I'm not a big fan of the organic webbing

nuclearman

11-22-2006, 06:22 PM

I don't really mind either way... I'll go for webshooters because it is a Peter Parker creation.

Steffen

11-22-2006, 06:27 PM

I love the organic webbing and don't think it should be retconned or whatever. I'm fed-up of that old shtick about his web-fluid running out in the middle of a battle.

Sean Whitmore

11-22-2006, 06:27 PM

I know Jessica Jones covered this in Alias, but if it's organic, shouldn't it come out of his @$$? :rolleyes:

Did she mention that? I'm sorry I missed it. That joke is even funnier the 9 millionth time. :)

SEAN

Deadpooligan

11-22-2006, 06:35 PM

The Other demands organic webs.

Webshooters are so far behind Spidey now.

Alan2099

11-22-2006, 06:58 PM

The Other demands organic webs.
You've heard it here folks, crappy storylines dictate the flow of a successful character.

Really, I see no reason why he needs them. Organic webshooters add n0othing to the character and they take away from showcasing his mind as well as story possibility.

Anybody else remeber how Ben reilly worked to improve the webshooters and add new tricks to them or the web canonc Spidey sported in the Sinsiter Six storyline? I also recall an intresting storyline where people in the future find a crushed webshooter and speculate how that may have been the final stand of Spider-man (it was actualy them just getting crushed while he was in a fight.)

The only thing I can see that the organics might add is playing up the creepier angle and showing him as more of an actual Spider, and everytime writers try that, it fails misserably.

of course, there are always those people that actually like the Spider-totem stuff. Then again, I'm sure there are people who liked FACADE as well.

Frodo-X

11-22-2006, 08:44 PM

I never liked the "Peter created the webbing" part of Spider-man. It just irked me that somehow he regularly gets his hands on whatever chemical he needs to make it, and nobody else figures out how to do it. Plus, I never liked the idea that he could run out.

Make Mine Organic Webbing!

MaxofSteel

11-22-2006, 09:11 PM

They should market organic webbing and sell it by the carton, calling it "All Natural Soy Webbs".

I'd buy it! :D

Will.S

11-22-2006, 09:19 PM

I like the organic webbing, I don't think it takes anything away from his scientific side since any other tech added to the organics would be supplementary anyway.

I'm sure we've seen him run out of web a billion times already so it's not a new situation either.

nitake92

11-22-2006, 11:12 PM

For me, I like the synthetic webbing, like many people said, it highlights his ingenuity and is an upgradable part of his powers.

There are so many instances that Spidey has made special webbings to fit the situation such as

1. The acidic webbing (which was an accident when he couldn't read the labels in french)

2. The Web Armour (An embarrassment but hey, it gave him SOME protection)

With it being organic it sort of made Spidey limited in some sense and if those organic webs runs out during mid swing, boy is he in trouble since he's not gonna be able to change to a fresh cartridge.

If I have to compromise with the Organic Webbing idea, I'd have Peter modify his web shooters to use so that it overlaps where his organic one is in his wrist so that he'd have lots of spare synthethic webbing/ specialized webbing to use beside his organic one which is the main one and never face the problems of running out.

Dark Soul # 7

11-22-2006, 11:51 PM

The Other demands organic webs.Youn mean that we wouldn't have The Other without organic webbing?

Down with organic web-shooters!
Seriously though they add nothing good or interesting to the character or his story.

What's that you say? He will be more like a spider this way? Oh goodie! Because that didn't totally suck the last time it was tried.

the goddamn batman

11-23-2006, 02:40 AM

So, Peter can now have organic web shooters, but Joe wants Peter to be single again so he can be more like the original Peter Parker?

How's that again? I hate Marvel more and more every day.

rick

11-23-2006, 02:52 AM

I like the idea of organic webbing myself, but I also think that they should have just given him that power right from the start and that they shouldn't have changed it at this late date.

Adamantium_Avatar

11-23-2006, 04:59 AM

As far as I am concerned Spiderman should have had organic webbing right from the start... At least this is progression and not some dodgy ret-con (ala DC)

Just realised I have practically repeated Rick's post... oops

JLarson

11-23-2006, 05:06 AM

Who cares if its organic or not? Really?

How about a 3rd poll option - "not worth holding an opinion on."

Mikl C

11-23-2006, 05:41 AM

I hate it. As said above, creating the webbing really made Peter into a believable scientist guy. And the webbing tricks Ben had going on were awesome! Impact webing especially. And to say that no-one else has made anything like it in the MU is a lie, people have framed Spiderman using false webbing loads of times.

Captain Murphy

11-23-2006, 06:40 AM

Organic sucks, he doesnt need it, hes been spidey since '62 and over 40 years later he gets this. Sythetic is better, makes Peter more believable as a scientist (and when he made his Spidey trackers stick to a Non-stick surface)

rwsmith

11-23-2006, 07:12 AM

I think he should've stuck with the web-shooters in the 616, but had organic webbing in the Ultimate Universe to make it more like the movie. Instead, Marvel seemed to want to go the opposite route, which made no sense to me as I thought the Ultimate stuff was supposed to be more similar to the film franchises.

sephirothskiller

11-23-2006, 07:56 AM

Wow... A 50/50 split!! I voted no, I like the genious side of Spiderman that seemed to have alot of power, but never the overbearingness of Tony Stark.

wingsofdamnation

11-23-2006, 09:47 AM

i'd take the web shooters over organic any day. i loved the web shooters because it gave spidey some sort of limitation since if he ran out he had to improvise and fight without webs. with organic its like a neverending supply and he can just use them as freely as possible. while on the topic did spidey have organic before the other? he probably has it now but right before he came back to life did he have it?

Dark Soul # 7

11-23-2006, 09:52 AM

The Shadow

11-23-2006, 10:02 AM

I really don't care one way or the other... but I like the fact they have at least tried it... voted yes.

wingsofdamnation

11-23-2006, 10:16 AM

Yes, he first got them in one of Paul Jenkins few bad Spider-man stories.

Surprisingly he got re-birthed in that story before it happened in The Other.
well i knew that he had them previously but have they been there for all this time or did they retcon them and give him back shooters just so they could give him organic again in the other

The Mirrorball Man

11-23-2006, 10:33 AM

I've always thought that the whole "Peter Parker the scientific genius" angle didn't make any sense, plus the Spider-Man movies convinced me that organic webbing had a lot of untapped dramatic potential as a metaphor for sperm, so one more vote for "organic webbing".

jam37wcc

11-23-2006, 10:34 AM

I really don't care one way or the other but I would prefer that since he doesn't have to make is web shooters anymore they find some other kind of way to show Peter as the genius he is. I think over the past five years we haven't seen any kind of real evidence that Spider-Man is smart and very creative.

Will.S

11-23-2006, 11:11 AM

I think over the past five years we haven't seen any kind of real evidence that Spider-Man is smart and very creative.
JMS has done this several times with the fights between Spider-Man and the Hydra Avengers, Digger, Charlie Wiederman, and Morlun.

At this point I think we all know that Peter's a pretty smart guy, we don't need web shooters to keep reminding us of how smart he is since they're not the only facet of his intelligence. Also organic web shooters aren't unlimited in supply, he does need to replenish with time and food.

Sean Whitmore

11-23-2006, 12:42 PM

I think over the past five years we haven't seen any kind of real evidence that Spider-Man is smart and very creative.

Yes we have. People just tend to ignore said evidence so they can bash the Spidey books unabated.

SEAN

jam37wcc

11-23-2006, 04:11 PM

Yes we have. People just tend to ignore said evidence so they can bash the Spidey books unabated.

SEAN

Please give me an example because the stories must not have been memorable enough for me to remember. Also I am not trying to bash the books I have been buying them for the last five years and for the most part have enjoyed them.

Sean Whitmore

11-23-2006, 04:18 PM

Please give me an example because the stories must not have been memorable enough for me to remember. Also I am not trying to bash the books I have been buying them for the last five years and for the most part have enjoyed them.

Will gave some good examples. Peter used his science know-how to defeat Morlun (the first time), the Hydra Avengers, and his buddy Charlie from "Skin Deep".

And aside from ASM, he used his wits to defeat the Mexican wrestler dude in Friendly Neighborhood and gave Iron Man the inspiration to defeat the new Super Adaptoid.

So really, we've seen more of Peter's brains in the last five years than we had in the five years before that. Sorry I accused you of bashing, it's just that it's a common complaint which doesn't hold water. :)

SEAN

jam37wcc

11-23-2006, 05:27 PM

Will gave some good examples. Peter used his science know-how to defeat Morlun (the first time), the Hydra Avengers, and his buddy Charlie from "Skin Deep".

SEAN

I know he gave some examples but what did he do in those situations, I also missed the first encounter with Morlun and Skin Deep.

Norrin Radd

11-23-2006, 05:32 PM

The webshooters are just fine. They would have hindered the first movie, even a purist like me can see that. But having already been introduced in the comics, with unrealistic comic book science backing them up, the webshooters should stay.

CDB

11-23-2006, 06:55 PM

Another yes vote for Organic webbing.

Will.S

11-23-2006, 08:48 PM

I know he gave some examples but what did he do in those situations, I also missed the first encounter with Morlun and Skin Deep.

Digger: Spider-Man did research on a sample of Digger's tissue and saw that the more he expended himself the more he wasted away so basically Spider-Man out maneuvered him and made him use up all that gamma energy.

Morlun: Similar method, but he uses blood samples instead. Figures out that radioactivity would break Morlun down when mixed with what feeds off of which was Spider-Man's powers.

Charlie - Used the properties of Vibranium against him using both his knowledge of the elements and school technology. Froze charlie's vibranium shell solid.

Venom

11-24-2006, 12:33 AM

I voted "Yes"; It's a natural progression and does not dumb Peter's intelligence down in any way. I sure am missing those little web-shooters though.

ManSpider

11-24-2006, 03:45 AM

hehe this thread has started from my retcon post...sorry manspider but i hate organic webbing ;D

haha yeah it was what can i say, am that transparent

ManSpider

11-24-2006, 03:55 AM

this is the 1st poll ive ever set up am so proud

am jus happy to c my fave hero developing (and standing upto iron bastard ha ha)
IMO we'll prob c alot more changes from the Other take effect after civil war, so there be more similar contrivercy (spell check) again when thos things come into effect

-S-Man-

11-24-2006, 09:35 AM

This is the same question but pretty much same question people vote on Wolverine: Bone Claws or Adamantium Claws for which I said ADAMANTIUM :D

But I'm gonna have to go with organic webbing on this one. I know I might be criticised for this but is it really that bad, just look at the Spider-Man movies. I still like the web shooters a lot. Can't Peter still use them for nostalgia.

Shyft

11-24-2006, 09:51 AM

I love the organic webbing and don't think it should be retconned or whatever. I'm fed-up of that old shtick about his web-fluid running out in the middle of a battle.

EXACTLY. this is one of the key reasons i prefer organic. anyway, when you think of what a spider can do, shooting webs is one if not THE most imporant one. thus it should be his unique power, not a form of technology anyone could use.

Dark Soul # 7

11-24-2006, 10:28 AM

But I'm gonna have to go with organic webbing on this one. I know I might be criticised for this but is it really that bad, just look at the Spider-Man movies. I still like the web shooters a lot. Can't Peter still use them for nostalgia.That's my biggest problem with the organic webbing.

They only used it because it was in the movies. They adapted it into the comics to not confuse the movie fans that got interested in comics. At least I think that's the reason.

And if he ever gets his secret I.D back people can now use the DNA from the webbing to mess it up again.

phantom1592

11-24-2006, 01:07 PM

Will.S

11-24-2006, 07:21 PM

That's my biggest problem with the organic webbing.

They only used it because it was in the movies. They adapted it into the comics to not confuse the movie fans that got interested in comics. At least I think that's the reason.
It kind of seemed like the organics were going to happen anyway. If not in Paul Jenkins's book then in The Other so it's hard to say if the movies had that much impact on the comics even though it looks deliberate.

And if he ever gets his secret I.D back people can now use the DNA from the webbing to mess it up again.
Hmm, I'm not sure if that's happened yet. I'm wondering if his webbing still dissolves after a certain amount of time though.

Black Arachknight

11-25-2006, 12:58 AM

Aloha,My first post.
One of the things that distinguished Spider-Man from ALL other heroes was his unique weapon-webshooters and synthetic webbing. Until the day I die, I will hate organic webbing.
Spidey rules

-S-Man-

11-25-2006, 09:01 AM

Nope, I liked the webshooters. I liked him modifying the fluid for each enemy, adding something to mix with Hydro-man, or making it stronger to hold the rhino.
Organic just makes it a one trick pony. What he has... he has.

Theoretically, theres nothing stopping him from making new inventions that alters his webbing like an arm band that adds different chemical to his webbing according to this settings.

xakko

11-25-2006, 09:09 AM

count me in the anti-organic webbing camp

i thought it was cheesy in the movie, and i think it's worse in the comics as a sellout to the franchise.

Peter being a truly gifted science nerd appealed to me. Actually, the Ultimate version- that he adapted his father's formula- works best for me, giving a sound basis that makes it even more believeable

phantom1592

11-25-2006, 09:16 AM

Theoretically, theres nothing stopping him from making new inventions that alters his webbing like an arm band that adds different chemical to his webbing according to this settings.

Techniquely, there's nothing to stop him from slapping on the webshooters when he needs them. That's a liitle more likely than adding chemicals to his body. Last time he did that he grew 4 arms. ;)

Still I don't think organic ADDED anything to the character.

Xanrn

11-26-2006, 05:30 AM

Organic, why because thats why I like it.

Spiderman in a symbiote costume with organic webbing.

Also forgot the recent ASM 536 for Spiderman showing his mind.

Then there is the Marvel Knights where he makes Hank Pym depressed because he made Spider tracers when he was a kid and it took years for Hank to make his ant-man helmet.

Locue

11-26-2006, 08:15 AM

In my never humble opinion, the whole charm about Spider-Man comes from the shooters. Also it helped sell him as a science wiz kid which was also something that Spider-Man was all about.

But organic webbing? That's just a turn-off, man. What, he just pull his wee... uh, arm and he ejaculates webbing all over the place? What? Does he have control over it or does he web in his sleep too?

(Sorry.)

Chris S.

11-27-2006, 01:21 PM

I don't really care much anymore. I liked the idea of Peter creating his web shooters to show his brilliance. However, we are aware that Peter can do it so now why does it matter if he does or not, you know? I mean at this point in the long career of Spider-man I am not really judging him on his web shooter creation ability, or lack their of.

It just seems trivial to me I guess.

riotgear

11-27-2006, 01:53 PM

Organic Webbing? It's okay, I guess...

How he got them? Absolutely ludicrous...

Haunt

11-27-2006, 07:26 PM

I know Jessica Jones covered this in Alias, but if it's organic, shouldn't it come out of his @$$? :rolleyes:

shouldn't Jessica Drew's energy blasts come from her teeth?

becominAfanAgain

11-28-2006, 04:18 AM

yeah this thread was started a while back. I remember saying that if he had organic webbing it should come from his stomach not his hands that more spider like. I always loved the web shooter for the simple fact that, he could alway reload them.

Superboy Prime

11-28-2006, 04:41 AM

Still I don't think organic ADDED anything to the character.

It didnt. Other than more nitpicking. ;)

But honestly, I don't think organic was really supposed to add much to the character. Other than an obvious attempt to make him more like the Spider-Man seen in another medium which has a larger audience.

Lord_Archive

11-29-2006, 05:38 AM

If Peter Parker can't get a job at 3M after making those web shooters, then he doesn't deserve to be thought of as a scientist.

GodSmackingReptile

11-29-2006, 08:35 AM

i think that the organic webbing is a good idea, but im fine with both organic and the web shooters, but i just think that the organic webbing makes Peter more spider like. i just think that Spider-Man's other powers are not really spider like. like his super agility, how does a spider give you that or his ability to climb sheer surfaces (joke) i dont know maybe it's just the agility thing that's bugging me (no pun intended)

One more thing..... I'm getting so sick of the stupid webs out the but nonsense!! It's childish and just dumb..........but thats just me.:D

batturtle

11-29-2006, 10:13 PM

I can't tell you how much that I hate the organic web-shooting in the comics. Nevermind...I guess that I just did din't I? I accept that in the movies, (even though it's about a teenager with super powers gained from a spider-bite), there has to be a slight bit more of realism to it. I think getting rid of the web-shooters in the comics was wholly uneeded. I don't usually fear change in comics, but on this topic I miss the good old days.

3D Master

11-30-2006, 01:51 AM

I know Jessica Jones covered this in Alias, but if it's organic, shouldn't it come out of his @$$? :rolleyes:

A spider has the webbing on its backside, however, just like we can induce a mouse to grow a human ear on its back, and arms and other stuff can grow in the wrong place, Peter could have his webbing openings grow on its wrist. They figured out not long ago, that a cell has position genes, that get activated by a certain set of hormones. Get the right (wrong) hormones on the DNA that grows the webbing producers and they grow in Peter's wrists.

I don't mind either, both have their good and bad things. The poll really misses the options "don't care" and "both". Think of it: organic webshooters and mechanical ones for backup. (Hey, there's only so much his body can produce in a certain amount of time and food ingestion, he'll run out eventually too, needing to rest and eat for his body to rebuild the supply, he could still use the mechanical ones in that happenstance!)

Dark Soul # 7

11-30-2006, 02:17 AM

I don't mind either, both have their good and bad things. The poll really misses the options "don't care" and "both". Think of it: organic webshooters and mechanical ones for backup. (Hey, there's only so much his body can produce in a certain amount of time and food ingestion, he'll run out eventually too, needing to rest and eat for his body to rebuild the supply, he could still use the mechanical ones in that happenstance!)He could also have extra weaponry in them. Like stingers, impact webbing, spider-tracers and whatnot.

Seriously, Peter can do alot of things with the web-shooters despite the fact that he has organic webbing now.

becominAfanAgain

12-01-2006, 02:32 AM

He could also have extra weaponry in them. Like stingers, impact webbing, spider-tracers and whatnot.

Seriously, Peter can do alot of things with the web-shooters despite the fact that he has organic webbing now.

I agree with you 100% on that I really miss that part of him. Like the time he knew he needed strong webbing in a battle and him made a large batch of it.
I think that is also one of the reason why I like Spider-girl. She has all of Peter and Ben gadgets.

Kaos

12-01-2006, 03:32 AM

nay.....kinda detracts from his genius not having the shooters.

cable guy

12-01-2006, 06:18 AM