Which of these female solo books will impact the MU the most? [Archive]

TimmyTony

11-19-2006, 01:16 PM

Cayman

11-19-2006, 01:24 PM

Spider-Woman would seem to have the best shot, although Ms. Marvel seems to be pretty stable happily.

If the creative teams were to shift, I'd go with:

She-Hulk - Jeff Parker and Aaron Lopresti. Seems like Parker would be the most obvious choice to carry on the spirit of Slott's work.

Spider-Woman - Brian K. Vaughan and Oliver Coipel

Ms. Marvel - Brian Michael Bendis and Frank Cho

stuccoyoutuBE

11-19-2006, 01:32 PM

Of the three choices, Spider-Woman is the only one with an A-list creative team, which will probably mean more industry and fan attention and more advertising dollars, which might result in better long-term sales.

Ms.Marvel seems to be doing well too, and the fact that it sorta spun off of New Avengers and Bendis gave it his blessing could mean longevity for the title.

If at any point there were changes in the creative teams, I wouldn't mind seeing these:

She-Hulk by Zeb Wells and Skottie Young

Spider-Woman by Ed Brubaker and Steve McNiven

Ms.Marvel by Geoff Johns and Frank Cho

Haunt

11-19-2006, 02:04 PM

well it definately won't be White Tiger.

SalazarSleaze2

11-19-2006, 02:17 PM

Spider-Woman definitely.

Omega Alpha

11-19-2006, 02:33 PM

Bendis will make Spider-Woman the most sucessful.

Mariah

11-19-2006, 02:38 PM

Out of the three, based on She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman:Origin, I like Ms. Marvel the most. The art could be better, but it's okay. Spider-Woman was migraine inducing. Poor She-Hulk, I love the book.

ChildOfTheDarkholde

11-19-2006, 02:54 PM

Spider-Woman will last longer, in my opinion - based on the creative team's industry status and the character's exposure as of late. The Spider-Woman Secrets And Lies issues of NA sold better than the previous month, reverting a downward trend and Spider-Woman's issue of the New Avengers: Disassembled arc actually outsold Luke Cage's, Sentry's and even Captain America's entries. And Origin sold very well for a solo book retcon starring a third-stringer, set in the past and featuring art that most everyone seemed to hate.

As for different teams:

She-hulk- Bendis and Adam Hughes

Spider-Woman- Marc Andreyko and Scott Eaton

Ms.Marvel- Gail Simone and Amanda Conner

Kaskratiski

11-19-2006, 03:06 PM

Ms.Marvel, I think.

She is connected to most everyone in the MU...

Hippy-san

11-19-2006, 03:30 PM

okay, in terms of sales she-hulk might not bring in any top slot (and yes, pun intended), but i see She-hulk sticking around just because i'm hopin' she'll grow on the fans
and if we're just talkin' about ramifications (and i know that wasn't the point of the thread, but who cares) ol' Shulkie's gonna be playing a big role soon. ;)

marvelboi77

11-19-2006, 03:45 PM

I like all 3 and I hope that they stay around. As far as any series effecting the rest of the Marvel Universe it will be Spider-Woman. Her book is about espionage, and that will play into Avengers and other titles. As well as all the characters slated to show up, Ronin, Viper, Elektra, Black Widow, Nick Fury, and others.

Eumenide No 2

11-19-2006, 03:59 PM

Ms.Marvel is firmly entrenched in the MU cuz of her history and Spider-Woman will inevitably have an impact not only cuz it will have the best sales of the three but because it's written by the company's # 1 writer, which means that the events taking place in that book have a bigger chance of getting Marvel to consider them and push them as part of the big tapestry.

She-hulk is a funny book, but in spite of the painstakingly detailed nods to continuity, and several cross-book references I have noticed, it still feels like a book that's in its own little bubble, separate from the rest of the MU.
And maybe being too funny is what make it sell so poorly.
Look at Nextwave, Cable/Deadpool and other comic comic books...it's always an uphill battle to get them to succeed.

Will.S

11-19-2006, 04:20 PM

XPac

11-19-2006, 04:23 PM

As far as sales go, Bendis writing Spider-Woman should give her a HUGE edge. He's the "it" guy in marvel right now.

But as far as presence goes... SHe-Hulk and Ms. Marvel are actually showing up all over the place. Spiderwoman... not so much.

So even though I think from a sales perspective Jessica might have the edge, I wouldn't necessarily be quick to give her the title of Marvels first lady. But we'll have to wait and see. Maybe she'll be used more once her on going is out.

Magnificent Bastard

11-19-2006, 04:49 PM

Bendis & Maleev's Spider-Woman is destined for greatness.

I intend to read SW & Ms Marvel. However, She-Hulk is also a possibility "IF" the gonzo-like quality is there.

Which one do you see lasting for years and years to come? Spider-Woman

And if any of these titles changed creative teams, any suggestions for replacements?

Ms. Marvel by writers Keith Giffen/ J. M. DeMatteis and Frank Cho

Spider-Woman by Brian Michael Bendis and Adam Hughes

She-Hulk by Ennis and Mike Allred

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Eric_Carnaby

11-19-2006, 05:03 PM

She-Hulk (The current book, not the character) is overrated and dull.
Ms.Marvel should be the MU's flagship female and her book should be equal in importance to DCU's Wonder Woman.
(I think Ms.Marvel is a good read.)
Spider-Woman's commercial success is all but guaranteed but will it be any good?
The jury's still out.

That JonoGuy

11-19-2006, 08:42 PM

I think Spider-Woman has the most appeal and the best chance of having a bigger impact on the MU. She-Hulk does have appeal, but i don't think it's the kind of appeal to have a full range of impact. As far as Ms. Marvel is concerned, I don't see Carol being much of a big gun in the MU. I think she works best more in supporting roles than being a big player.

Den

11-20-2006, 11:39 AM

Longevity: She Hulk seems to already have that spot by default if you mean series going on.

"Prescence": Normally, I'd say Spider-Woman, but with Ms. Marvel in her own book AND getting into Mighty Avengers, we may have a tie.

One I intend to buy and keep buying: She Hulk. I consistently enjoy it.

As for new creative teams if they changed?
I would love to see Brubaker write a Spider-Woman title. He's already got a Tom Clancy meets Silver Age going in Cap, so that would be choice.

We R. Venom

11-20-2006, 11:51 AM

With Ms. Marvel comign up in Mighty avengers and Spider-Woman, possibly still in New Avengers, I think the both of their books will do the best. We will see.

Satana Hellstrom

11-20-2006, 12:08 PM

In terms of sales, possible longevity and "presence" in the Marvel Universe?
Spider-Woman

Which one do you intend to buy or keep buying it in the foreseeable future?
Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel. (She-Hulk does nothing for me, especially the way she's written now.)

Which one do you see lasting for years and years to come?
Spider-Woman an Ms.Marvel

And if any of these titles changed creative teams, any suggestions for replacements?

Ms. Marvel- Kurt Busiek and Terry Dodson

Spider-Woman- Chris Claremont and David Finch

She-Hulk-Fiona Avery and Paul Pelletier

Haunt

11-20-2006, 02:15 PM

Carol Danvers is the most complex of the 3. she doesn't just rely on sex appeal or breaking the 4th wall to be interesting.

Kid Bushido

11-20-2006, 02:54 PM

Edward J Cunningham

11-20-2006, 02:55 PM

In terms of sales, possible longevity and "presence" in the Marvel Universe?
Which one do you intend to buy or keep buying it in the foreseeable future?
Which one do you see lasting for years and years to come?
And if any of these titles changed creative teams, any suggestions for replacements?

Ms. Marvel by Brian Reed and Roberto De La Torre

Spider-Woman by Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev

She-Hulk by Dan Slott and Rick Burchett

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2928/threegirlsnn2.jpg

Unless Marvel is able to have as low a cancellation level as DC or one of these books inspires a group of fans as fanatically devoted as Spider-Girl has been, I think it is very unlikely any of these books will last 100 issues, and I would not be suprised if Spider-Girl is still being published when all of them bite the dust. So I don't see any lasting "years and years" although I will be happy if I am wrong. I honestly think She-Hulk (which already has a two-year head start) has the best shot of lasting the longest. But because Spider-Woman is not only written by one of Marvel's biggest writers, but someone who is also writing important titles like New Avengers, I would say that the events that take place in Spider-Woman are more likely to affect continuity in other books and in the Marvel Universe as a whole rather than She-Hulk. (I should note that an upcoming storyline in the Illuminati mini-series about the Infinity Gauntlet will acknowledge events in Dan Slott's She-Hulk.) As a She-Hulk fan, I intend to keep buying that book even if the creative team changes unless I really dislike what results. I can imagine several different artists who could replace Rick Burchett, but I don't want to think of anybody other than Dan Slott writing She-Hulk.

EmmettHULK

11-20-2006, 03:27 PM

I honestly think She-Hulk (which already has a two-year head start) has the best shot of lasting the longest. .

If we go by currentsales, I wouldn't be so sure.
Even comparing the sales numbers for the issues of Ms.Marvel and She-Hulk that were CW tie-ins, it's clear that Carol has a bigger fanbase, and if Marvel were going by sales, it would indicate that MM will outlast She-hulk.

And don't forget that She-hulk was already cancelled and relaunched due to poor sales. And going back to something you mentioned, She-Hulk fans aren't as rabidly devoted as Spider-Girl's...I doubt that Marvel will keep She-hulk alive if it sold as badly as Spider-Girl did.

(The advantage Spider-Woman has over the other two is that it boasts a writer with huge amounts of clout and "power" at Marvel)

Magneto_X

11-20-2006, 04:24 PM

Spider-Woman by Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2928/threegirlsnn2.jpg

This is the correct answer.

Why? Bendis.

Edward J Cunningham

11-21-2006, 02:07 AM

If we go by currentsales, I wouldn't be so sure.
Even comparing the sales numbers for the issues of Ms.Marvel and She-Hulk that were CW tie-ins, it's clear that Carol has a bigger fanbase, and if Marvel were going by sales, it would indicate that MM will outlast She-hulk.

And don't forget that She-hulk was already cancelled and relaunched due to poor sales. And going back to something you mentioned, She-Hulk fans aren't as rabidly devoted as Spider-Girl's...I doubt that Marvel will keep She-hulk alive if it sold as badly as Spider-Girl did.

(The advantage Spider-Woman has over the other two is that it boasts a writer with huge amounts of clout and "power" at Marvel)

When Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman reach 25 issues, then we can talk.

Edward J Cunningham

11-21-2006, 02:27 AM

This is the correct answer.

Why? Bendis.

Then explain how Bendis'! last book about a female character---Alias---lasted only 28 issues.

Bendis! is Marvel's top writer and if Marvel promotes Spider-Woman, it will give that book a running start. But I believe the very reason EmmittHulk and ChyldeoftheDarkholde hate Dan Slott's She-Hulk is PRECISELY the reason it is going to last longer than either Ms. Marvel or Spider-Woman.

EmmettHULK

11-21-2006, 05:12 AM

When Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman reach 25 issues, then we can talk.

She-hulk hasn't reached 25 issues. It hit 12, then was cancelled cuz it sold poorly, then got relaunched.

It looks like Ms.Marvel will not need to be cancelled and relaunched.

As for Alias...she is a brand new property that isn't a costumed crimefighter, and she was on the MAX imprint. Plus she had 28 uninterrupted issues that didn't have the benefit of realunches or Civil War tie-ins...

But when you think about it, she still is more present and relevant and yes, popular in the current MU than She-Hulk.

Rich L

11-21-2006, 07:58 AM

But when you think about it, she still is more present and relevant and yes, popular in the current MU than She-Hulk.

Have to disagree with you there - Jessica has been reduced to the role of Luke Cage's wife at the moment. She was touted as the role model for the Young Avengers then vanished from the book.

Since Pulse ended, she's appeared what, twice - and surprisingly, both times in Bendis-penned books.

She-Hulk on the other hand has been recurring in CW, Frontline and her own book.

Don't get me wrong - I liked Alias a lot, but Jessica is a tertiary character at best in the MU as a whole, and - dare I say it? - Bendis' Mary Sue (if I'm understanding the term correctly).

As for which will last longer, it's difficult to say as Spider-Woman hasn't launched (don't like Maleev's take in that art though). Of Ms Marvel and She-Hulk, I'd say Ms Marvel may have more of an impact if only because she'll be on Mighty Avengers as well as in her own book.

EmmettHULK

11-21-2006, 08:17 AM

She-Hulk on the other hand has been recurring in CW, Frontline and her own book.

I must've missed the vital appearances she has made on CW. All she's done is stand in team shots and listen to Reed rant in the last episode.

Effect

11-21-2006, 08:37 AM

Carol Danvers is the most complex of the 3. she doesn't just rely on sex appeal or breaking the 4th wall to be interesting.

Sure you want to say this about Ms. Carol "walk around half nake with a suit that could have been sprayed on" Danvers?

At least Spider-woman is fully covered. Yes skin tight but fully covered.

As for She-Hulk she does tend to sleep around and the title does break that 4th wall on the regular as I understand it.

Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk really don't leave a lot to the imagination.

Due to her writer, connection with Spider-man and the whole Shield, Hydra, Secret Avenger situation I have to give my vote to Spider-woman.

Haunt

11-21-2006, 09:15 AM

Sure you want to say this about Ms. Carol "walk around half nake with a suit that could have been sprayed on" Danvers?

At least Spider-woman is fully covered. Yes skin tight but fully covered.

As for She-Hulk she does tend to sleep around and the title does break that 4th wall on the regular as I understand it.

Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk really don't leave a lot to the imagination.

Due to her writer, connection with Spider-man and the whole Shield, Hydra, Secret Avenger situation I have to give my vote to Spider-woman.

you're not serious are you? didn't Jessica, in her Civil War focus issue, fight for at least 3 pages in her underwear?! Carol is wearing leather. Jessica is wearing a fabric that might as well be her skin since it is tight enough for you to see her butt crack and belly button. so what if Jessica is Hydra and SHIELD's tool? Carol had a leadership position in homeland security! she was personally appointed by the President of the United States! she was the one the military looked to during the Red Zone arc. she's the one who has had her memories and identity stolen. she's the one who helped the X-Men fight the Brood when she was powerless. she's the only one of these 3 who could actually lead the Avengers.

btw, has Jessica ever held a real job? i'm talking about one that didn't involve her zapping people with her "venom bolts" and showing her rear off? i ask because Carol used to be a sought after writer and security chief. she's earned her place in the marvel universe unlike some tart who is only in the spotlight because BENDIS! commands it.

Spiderchick1974

11-21-2006, 11:08 AM

Haunt, relax...you're gonna pop a vein. :)

We all know you hate Bendis over a bunch of fcitional characters you think he was unfair towards, (mainly cuz you remind us every other post on every other thread) but getting so worked all over who's better between Spider-Woman and Ms.Marvel won't change anything, except your health.

BTW...neither Jessica, nor Carol are "tarts"...they are fictional characters, you know?

ChildOfTheDarkholde

11-21-2006, 11:22 AM

btw, has Jessica ever held a real job?

Didn't you say that you either own or have read all 50 issues of her old book?
If you really had, you wouldn't have to ask that question...

rZi

11-21-2006, 12:31 PM

Ms.Marvel gets my vote...she's been really popular lately i find , even i have been reading this title (due to CW) although i hadn't previously checked it out.

Haunt

11-21-2006, 02:01 PM

Didn't you say that you either own or have read all 50 issues of her old book?
If you really had, you wouldn't have to ask that question...

her private investigator job is what i was referring to in my post. it was just an extension of her superheroing. and i sure as hell don't own those issues. i'm not desperate. i just read the pile that was left in the 50 cents bin at my LCS.

Haunt, relax...you're gonna pop a vein. :)

We all know you hate Bendis over a bunch of fcitional characters you think he was unfair towards, (mainly cuz you remind us every other post on every other thread) but getting so worked all over who's better between Spider-Woman and Ms.Marvel won't change anything, except your health.

BTW...neither Jessica, nor Carol are "tarts"...they are fictional characters, you know?

i wouldn't even be in this thread if you hadn't decided to make it a competition between White Tiger and Irredeemable Ant-Man. remember that?

Edward J Cunningham

11-21-2006, 02:38 PM

Just want to clarify one thing. I like ALL THREE of these characters, but my feelings toward She-Hulk are the strongest because I have been a fan of her the longest. I have since become a fan of Dan Slott's writing, and I would be very disappointed if anybody else was writing She-Hulk. But I don't have any problem if Ms. Marvel or Spider-Woman are successful as well. I tend to get a bit defensive when other fans express their dislike for She-Hulk (either the character or her book) or Dan Slott. That's all.

Eddie Cunningham

Spiderchick1974

11-21-2006, 02:40 PM

i wouldn't even be in this thread if you hadn't decided to make it a competition between White Tiger and Irredeemable Ant-Man. remember that?

Of course I remember. It was a thread in which we discussed how the Ant-Man book is flopping, right?

I bet we will soon find those Ant-Man issues in the same bin in which you allegedly read the SW ones. The difference is that Ant-Man won't reach 50 issues.
Actually, with the numbers it's posting, it will be lucky to get to #10...

BTW...are you saying that you read all fifty issues of her book while standing next to a discount bin at a Comic shop?
Interesting, especially for someone who doesn't like her...

Haunt

11-21-2006, 02:47 PM

Of course I remember. It was a thread in which we discussed how the Ant-Man book is flopping, right?

no, it was in a White Tiger #1 review thread.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3989884&postcount=11

I bet we will soon find those Ant-Man issues in the same bin in which you allegedly read the SW ones. The difference is that Ant-Man won't reach 50 issues.
Actually, with the numbers it's posting, it will be lucky to get to #10...

and i'll gladly buy and enjoy all 10. White Tiger, on the other hand, i'm dropping as of issue 2. and i won't even touch the Spider-woman title.

BTW...are you saying that you read all fifty issues of her book while standing next to a discount bin at a Comic shop?
Interesting, especially for someone who doesn't like her...

this was back when i was still learning about the marvel universe and really big on knowing as much as possible about the characters. i also read ROM space knight, Fool killer, and a host of other unsuccessful titles from that bin.

Spiderchick1974

11-21-2006, 02:51 PM

and i won't even touch the Spider-woman title.

And lose a(nother) chance to bash Bendis?
I doubt it. I bet you will be first in line to buy it...

this was back when i was still learning about the marvel universe and really big on knowing as much as possible about the characters. i also read ROM space knight, Fool killer, and a host of other unsuccessful titles from that bin.

So you did read all fifty issues on a 50 cent bin? ;)

So why not save your money on the certainly-to-be-cancelled Ant-Man, and wait till it gets to the bin?

Haunt

11-21-2006, 02:57 PM

And lose a(nother) chance to bash Bendis?
I doubt it. I bet you will be first in line to buy it...

why? are they expecting the price of toilet paper to go up?

So you did read all fifty issues on a 50 cent bin? ;)

So why not save your money on the certainly-to-be-cancelled Ant-Man, and wait till it gets to the bin?

well that's definately how i'll be reading all 12 issues of White Tiger.

TheMuertoCorpse

11-21-2006, 02:59 PM

In terms of sales, possible longevity and "presence" in the Marvel Universe?
Which one do you intend to buy or keep buying it in the foreseeable future?
Spider-Woman. I will continue buying Ms.Marvel depending on how good the next arc is. The Civil War tie in was the best arc in the book so far...

Which one do you see lasting for years and years to come?

Spider-Woman most likely.

And if any of these titles changed creative teams, any suggestions for replacements?

Ms. Marvel keep Brian Reed and add Marc Silvestri

Spider-Woman keep Brian Michael Bendis and add Jai Lee

She-Hulk Kurt Busiek and Adam Hughes

Spiderchick1974

11-21-2006, 03:04 PM

why? are they expecting the price of toilet paper to go up?

Hopefully not, it's too expensive as it is.
But how else will you bash the book once it's out.

Oh, wait...you can always read it at the store, and we'll be here, ready to read your latest rant about what a "crappy writer" Bendis is and how much you hate him, ad nauseaum...

well that's definately how i'll be reading all 12 issues of White Tiger.

That's impossible;It is a six-issue mini.
(But if you really had read the first issue, you would know that)

Haunt

11-21-2006, 03:08 PM

Hopefully not, it's too expensive as it is.
But how else will you bash the book once it's out.

Oh, wait...you can always read it at the store, and we'll be here, ready to read your latest rant about what a "crappy writer" Bendis is and how much you hate him, ad nauseaum...

there will be plenty of other threads to do that in. he's such a prolific writer.

That's impossible;It is a six-issue mini.
(But if you really had read the first issue, you would know that)

well i kind of threw it down in disgust before the end. but i am glad to hear that it's not an ongoing.

Spiderchick1974

11-21-2006, 03:13 PM

there will be plenty of other threads to do that in. he's such a prolific writer.

yeah, and successful too.
(and isn't that what kills ya? While your faves get their books axed left and right, the evil Bendis gets hit after hit. :)

well i kind of threw it down in disgust before the end. but i am glad to hear that it's not an ongoing.

Of course you did throw it down in disgust.

Let me guess , you didn't even pay for it, right? You read it at the shop? ;)

Haunt

11-21-2006, 03:25 PM

yeah, and successful too.
(and isn't that what kills ya? While your faves get their books axed left and right, the evil Bendis gets hit after hit. :)

i'm not a writer. i've never written a book or had one "axed." why would that bother me? if he's a success as a writer, it's because people like his work. it's something he would have to earn. it's him taking away my favorite character that bothers me. he axed my favorite character. i'm pretty sure that i've told you this before. why the faulty memory?

Of course you did throw it down in disgust.

Let me guess , you didn't even pay for it, right? You read it at the shop? ;)

no, i bought it. i put it on my pull-list because i thought the character might have potential. i was a fan of the Heroes for Hire White Tiger and thought that the new one might be interesting, as well. whoops.

streator

11-21-2006, 08:24 PM

i admit to not reading any of the 3 titles, but for some reason i think ms. marvel will end up impacting the rest of the mu the most.
i think carol has a lot of potential.

superphil

11-22-2006, 03:20 AM

And don't forget that She-hulk was already cancelled and relaunched due to poor sales.

you should get your facts straight. she-hulk wasn't cancelled due to poor sales. sales weren't great, but not that bad either. everybody was talking about the book. marvel knew, that if they restart the book, much more people would buy it.

it was the same with runaways.

it's not a cancelation, if you're announcing the restart at the same time.

or are you talking about sensational she-hulk. yes, that book was cancelled due to poor sales (back in the 90s).

speaking of old times: all of them had their own book in the past.

she hulk - savage she-hulk (25 issues) + sensational she-hulk (60 issues)
spider-woman (50 issues)
ms. marvel (23 issues)

not counting mini-series and one-shots

comparing their old run's, she-hulk was definitly the winner (total of 85 issues).

even dazzler (43 issues) sold better then ms. marvel. but who knows, what the future brings :)

i like both the current she-hulk and ms. marvel book and i'm looking forward to spider-woman. so, to answer the question, i don't think any of this book will habe a major impact on the MU, but i hope they all stay for forever (especially she-hulk)

Rich L

11-22-2006, 05:28 AM

I must've missed the vital appearances she has made on CW. All she's done is stand in team shots and listen to Reed rant in the last episode.

Which is more than Jessica Jones has done since Pulse ended.

Which was my point.

rogerio

11-22-2006, 06:20 AM

Spider Woman by Bendis/Maleev.

in time...I really would like to see a BLACK WIDOW ongoing by Ed Brubaker and Gary Frank...:rolleyes:

MrPhil36

11-22-2006, 08:25 AM

I would really like to see all three of them last a long time. I think it's awesome that Marvel finally has a number of solo-female titles.
While the Jessica Drew Spider-Woman is totally new to me (I started reading comics while Julia Carpenter was SW...), I'd totally give the new series a shot.

I think Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk are fantastic characters, and great books.

As for impact, I think/hope it will be Ms. Marvel. Her book is doing well, and soon she'll be an Avenger (again) as well. She has a lot of possibilities, I think.