I.C. whaaaaa !

[bigman45]

so superboy prime can beat superman of earth 2 ? or did he just give up because he had nothing to live for ?

and was that green K or just some planet that had green rocks on it ? :eek:

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i take it superman is the star of the whole DCU because of reading the book everything comes from superman right ? or something like that... who could take his place ?

[Chris Thomas]

so superboy prime can beat superman of earth 2 ? or did he just give up because he had nothing to live for ?

and was that green K or just some planet that had green rocks on it ? :eek:

last one people

i take it superman is the star of the whole DCU because of reading the book everything comes from superman right ? or something like that... who could take his place ?

1 and 2. supe prime apparently could take all of them on. likely from his 'special suit' so the e1 and e2 had to double team him and take him into a red sun. I think that sun was the original krypton sun. but I believe the planet they actually landed on was 'mogo' -- a very strange planet-size green lantern. see an old alan moore story. mogo was orbiting the red sun. and superboy prime didn't like that.

3. guess so.

[dreyga2000]

i take it superman is the star of the whole DCU because of reading the book everything comes from superman right ? or something like that... who could take his place ?

The thing about everythng comes from Superman was kinda like breaking fourth wall since the DCU strated with the Superman comic and grew from there... hence the reason they couldn't figure out why it started with Superman... becaus ehe was first no one can take his place

[Buried Alien]

When Superboy Prime returned to the DC Universe, he had Pre-COIE Kryptonian levels of power...i.e. the power to move a planet across space with his bare hands. Post-COIE Kryptonians such as the Modern Age Superman have never remotely had this level of power. Oddly, however, upon returning to the DCU, Kal-L was only on par with the Modern Age Superman in power. This is strange because Kal-L, as a Pre-COIE Kryptonian himself, should have had powers on the same scale as Superboy Prime (if slightly diminished due to age).

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[Chris Thomas]

When Superboy Prime returned to the DC Universe, he had Pre-COIE Kryptonian levels of power...i.e. the power to move a planet across space with his bare hands. Post-COIE Kryptonians such as the Modern Age Superman have never remotely had this level of power. Oddly, however, upon returning to the DCU, Kal-L was only on par with the Modern Age Superman in power. This is strange because Kal-L, as a Pre-COIE Kryptonian himself, should have had powers on the same scale as Superboy Prime (if slightly diminished due to age).

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question then: I thought E2 supes never showed the kind of power that silver-age E1 supes had. we all know that in the beginning, E2 supes was not nearly on par with even post coie E1 supes. did E2 supes every display clearly the kind on silver age E1 supes power?

[Buried Alien]

question then: I thought E2 supes never showed the kind of power that silver-age E1 supes had. we all know that in the beginning, E2 supes was not nearly on par with even post coie E1 supes. did E2 supes every display clearly the kind on silver age E1 supes power?

Yes. The very first time that the Earth-One and Earth-Two Supermen met each other (the original JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 74, 1969), they fought each other to a standstill (very much like Kal-L and Post-COIE Superman did in INFINITE CRISIS). Thereafter, Kal-L was shown as having less stamina than the Earth-One Superman due to being older, but he still had the same *scale* of strength (the same way that a 70-year old man in excellent shape for his age would have less stamina than a 30-year old man of similar build and also in excellent shape for his age). The difference in power between *any* Pre-COIE Kryptonian and a Post-COIE Kryptonian, however, is measured in magnitudes; it'd be like comparing the strength of an elephant to the strength of a rabbit.



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[Chris Thomas]

Yes. The very first time that the Earth-One and Earth-Two Supermen met each other (the original JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 74, 1969), they fought each other to a standstill (very much like Kal-L and Post-COIE Superman did in INFINITE CRISIS). Thereafter, Kal-L was shown as having less stamina than the Earth-One Superman due to being older, but he still had the same *scale* of strength (the same way that a 70-year old man in excellent shape for his age would have less stamina than a 30-year old man of similar build and also in excellent shape for his age). The difference in power between *any* Pre-COIE Kryptonian and a Post-COIE Kryptonian, however, is measured in magnitudes; it'd be like comparing the strength of an elephant to the strength of a rabbit.



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I KNEW buried alien would have the answer!

but, in general, didn't E2 supes start to 'fade away' in terms of appearances before he really started displaying Silver-age power levels? I know he did it once or twice--but in the start he could barely outrun a car and leaped from place to place.

[Buried Alien]

I KNEW buried alien would have the answer!

but, in general, didn't E2 supes start to 'fade away' in terms of appearances before he really started displaying Silver-age power levels? I know he did it once or twice--but in the start he could barely outrun a car and leaped from place to place.

In his earliest appearances, Kal-L couldn't fly (could only leap about an eighth of a mile) and could be hurt by forces stronger than a bursting shell. His strength levels in those days generally didn't exceed lifting cars or boulders. The very early Golden Age Superman was barely stronger than Spider-Man.

By the time that Kal-L reemerged during the Silver Age, he had power on the same scale as his Earth-One counterpart. He would always be slightly weaker just because he was older, but was still on the same scale: capable of flying across intergalactic space on his own power, capable of altering astronomical phenomena such as planets and stars with his strength, able to travel through time on his own power, etc. These are abilities that the Modern Age Superman has never exhibited.

The Modern Age Superman, powerful as he is, could not have killed or hurt the Anti-Monitor (even the Pre-COIE Kryptonians had great trouble doing that without a little help from their friends and even their old enemy Darkseid).

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[Chris Thomas]

In his earliest appearances, Kal-L couldn't fly (could only leap about an eighth of a mile) and could be hurt by forces stronger than a bursting shell. His strength levels in those days generally didn't exceed lifting cars or boulders. The very early Golden Age Superman was barely stronger than Spider-Man.

By the time that Kal-L reemerged during the Silver Age, he had power on the same scale as his Earth-One counterpart. He would always be slightly weaker just because he was older, but was still on the same scale: capable of flying across intergalactic space on his own power, capable of altering astronomical phenomena such as planets and stars with his strength, able to travel through time on his own power, etc. These are abilities that the Modern Age Superman has never exhibited.

The Modern Age Superman, powerful as he is, could not have killed or hurt the Anti-Monitor (even the Pre-COIE Kryptonians had great trouble doing that without a little help from their friends and even their old enemy Darkseid).

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interesting stuff!
thanks--one thing I like about this forum--REAL experts!

[SKETCHSANCHEZ]

The thing about Superboy beating the original superman to death is that you have to remember that they all just dove through a red sun that stripped all of them of their powers.

So at that point it was a teenage boy wailing on an old man, no contest really.

[dupersuper]

To be fair, post crisis Supes could still be STRONG enough to move planets, I've always just figured the dc writers wanted to start being slightly more scientifically acurate than an old super-friends cartoon. I love the Peter David Supergirl issue that had Linda find a pre-crisis Supergirl trying to move the earth, and saying she looks like she's just doing a handstand, and points out the impossibility of some one human size moving the planet with muscle power no matter how strong they are, and that the earth would certainly suffer huge environmental upheaval if she were successful. Then, when asked later if there are any powers this Supergirl doesn't have, Linda says something like "Yeah, the power of an 8th grade science education." Of course, then they had Superboy Prime able to do it, so maybe that reasoning no longer applies (though, yes, I do admit to geeking out a bit when they found Superboys' handprints at the bottom of that crater...).

[bigman45]

they all went in to a red son ... but superboy prime was moving worlds and alex luther gave him some of his power to brake out where ever they were so with that being said thats why he was a lil stronger then both supermans ? or something like that

but if that was the case how come he just did not kill all the green lanterns all of them .

and could he really have beat'n whats that guys name you know the evil shazzzam ?

he was useing his shazzam power on superboy prime but it did not faze him at all :eek: