Tim possessing Cass?

[elias_A]

Some people claim that the explanation for evil Cass could be that she might be possessed by Spoiler. As a Spoiler fan to me that makes no sense at all.

Here's a better theory: :)

Cass is in fact possessed by TIM!

(TIm was in fact the only Bat-family-member who accused and mistrusted Bruce in recent years, he used similar arguments like "evil Cass".)
And the current Robin is a clone! That would explain so much (even the "first date" solicitation...)
No wonder he wants also to clone Superboy and is worried the technology was lost...:)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I have a better one.

It´s Bizarro Cass!

[kane]

Or its just one year later. During a year many things can change,

[Drink]

Or its just one year later. During a year many things can change,
True, but many of the things that occured that we complain about would require much more than a year, and for others, no amount of time can explain.

[kane]

True, but many of the things that occured that we complain about would require much more than a year, and for others, no amount of time can explain.

Its a comic book year. In a comic book year many things can happen.

[Damo]

The final arc in her book had her finding out that her father had trained several different children. She did not care. In fact, when she met the last survivor of those other children, she refused to use lethal force against him. Ultimately he ended up temporarily killing her, as she saved a murderer's life, because she refused to use lethal force against him.

The writer of the OYL arc clearly did not read or understand this, because he includes a plot thread where Cass finds out that her father had trained another kid besides her. In this story she cannot stand the idea that her father had trained another kid - she tracks down this sister and kills her, later telling Robin that finding out she wasn't "unique" was the last straw that changed everything.

While a skilled author could come up with an explanation for this complete contradiction, it would involve saying that what we had seen in Robin OYL was a lie.

Additionally it is at the very least bizarre that neither Tim nor Cass mentioned the destruction of Bludhaven, where they had both lived and last seen one another, in this story.

Most tellingly, Batgirl is profoundly dyslexic. She could not read or write at the most basic levels, or even copy letters consistently correctly, at the end of her series. This was repeatedly stressed.

Robin OYL states that Batman had in the past taught her and Tim a complicates code requiring her to be able to read and write in english, as well as speak navajo and write navajo words using the grecoroman alphabet. No "comic year" can explain this inconsistency.

[OverMaster]

"Tim possesed Cassandra".

LOL. So many easy bad taste jokes waiting to be milked there...

[mattx110]

hmmm... seems about time to pull a franklin and just have the real cass appear out of a time vortex with the insane ninja assassin gone.

[carabas]

Too true.
The one in Deathstroke's team is obviously Owlgirl, a protege of Owlman, washed up between collapsing universes after Infinite Crisis.

The real Cass is in a Tibetan monestary rediscovering herself.[/WISHFULL THINKING]

[Damo]

Too true.
The one in Deathstroke's team is obviously Owlgirl, a protege of Owlman, washed up between collapsing universes after Infinite Crisis.

The real Cass is in a Tibetan monestary rediscovering herself.[/WISHFULL THINKING]

Namba Parabat, surely. She's not showing up on panel in 52 only because she's shy (and doesn't want to get Renee's hopes up).

[Eliseu Gouveia]

EmoCass was a Checkmate plant gone crazy.

The real Cass is now a black knight/tower/bishop/whatever.

Bats knows this, that´s why he didn´t dismiss Robin´s story about Cass going nuts.
He doesn´t want Tim involved in whatever she´s up to.

[Damo]

You know, if half the fan theories are true, Checkmate must be made up entirely of "undercover" characters whose current status has readers annoyed.

[Doom]

BizzaroCass? Owlgirls? Collapsed on it's own?

Pfft.

There's a far more logical explanation that takes into account Cass's history.

Namely that this is the true Cassandra, who cracked upon finding out the horrible truth and backslide into a her own crazy logic.



Nah, I'm just messing with you. The way I reckon is it's another undercover op by the Justice League Elite. The Kelly mini ended with them preparing to reform. The JLE (which contained Cass as a member) were masters of creating believable scenerios including making it seem like they killed people, when they in fact didn't. (As explaining how David Caine apparently get's whacked but is gone later.)

Frankly it is in character for the JLE to spend a year making it seem like Cassandra has gone off the deep end so they can get her as a Double Agent, in partial control over the League of Assasins, and keeping tabs on Deathstroke.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Prob with that theory is the part where Cass gets to play the Seductress AND ramble coherently for panels on end without missing a beat.

[Doom]

Prob with that theory is the part where Cass gets to play the Seductress AND ramble coherently for panels on end without missing a beat.


She was able to pretend to be 2 different super villains during her stint on the JLE. Plus she could have just been feed lines to say by Verra Black to keep up the act. (After all if she can fool Robin, she's bound to fool super villains.)

That, or Cassie spent her OYL taking acting lessons.

[Lorendiac]

Too true.
The one in Deathstroke's team is obviously Owlgirl, a protege of Owlman, washed up between collapsing universes after Infinite Crisis.

The real Cass is in a Tibetan monestary rediscovering herself.[/WISHFULL THINKING]

It's a decent suggestion! (By the way, would that be the Owlman of Grant Morrison's Post-COIE Antimatter Universe Earth, or the Owlman who was the Pre-COIE Earth-3 evil version of Batman and was probably briefly "recreated" (along with his planet) during the recent events of IC? I could live with it either way, but I think I might actually prefer to have her be from the old Earth-3 for some odd reason! :))

You know, about a year and a half ago, I started a thread on the subject of the revelation that the Red Hood was actually Jason Todd come back from the dead. At the time, the "excuse" for his return was still a deep, dark mystery. So I offered some theories off the top of my head; five possible excuses that might end up being used.

(Naturally all five of my suggestions turned out to be "wrong" -- it had never occurred to me that A) DC was going to bring back Superboy-Prime, B) they were going to turn him evil, and C) they would reveal that his Retcon Punch had caused all sorts of peculiarities as DCU history spontaneously "rewrote itself" in response to the shock waves from his punches. In contrast, my own efforts had been based on things we "already knew" from previous continuity, things that would actually be reasonably "consistent" with various old stories and established personality traits of one character or another. I guess I just lack imagination!)

At any rate, lately I've been toying with the idea of doing something similar regarding the possible "rehabilitation" of Cassandra Cain.

So what's stopping me? Mainly a question of where to start. A couple of different ways to approach the problem.

1. I could focus on Cassandra's situation immediately and do something very similar to what I did when I guessed how the Return of Jason Todd would be explained. That would mean writing a post called Possible Ways to Rehabilitate Batgirl or something similar.

2. I could try to lay a foundation by writing one of my big posts that are chock full of "historical perspective" on the peculiarities of the superhero lifestyle, mentioning several different ways that other "tarnished heroes" have been rehabilitated in the past after committing, or apparently committing, "serious sins."

I might call it 10 Ways to Rehabilitate a Corrupted Hero -- or something along those lines. I don't know just how many ways I would come up with, and I might want to use some other word instead of "Corrupted," but you get the general idea, right?

(Hank Pym hitting his wife and then programming a robot to attack Avengers Mansion so that he could impress the other Avengers, who were talking about tossing him out on his ear, by being the "hero" who disabled it at the last moment before anyone died. Jean Grey going totally wacko and wiping out an inhabited planet in the Dark Phoenix Saga. Hal Jordan turning into Parallax. Reed Richards having Galactus at his mercy in the early 1980s or thereabouts, and then turning him loose so he could continue on his merry way, committing one genocide after another, which was fine and dandy with Reed as long as it wasn't Earth that got wasted!)

Should I start out with a general discussion of how writers have cleaned up such messes in the past, or should I put all that on hold and go straight to the specific subject of how to give Cassandra a new paint job and restore her to her former glory, such as it was? Any suggestions?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Are there any palpable signs, aside from hearsay, that imply that TPTB are taking steps to rescue Cass from this nightmare?

[Blight]

Why yes EG they're going to kill her.. again.. they mean it this time.. really they do they said in the solitation someone is going to die.. not like they lie about that.. would they?

[ChthonicSpirit]

hmmm... seems about time to pull a franklin and just have the real cass appear out of a time vortex with the insane ninja assassin gone.

Better yet, let's pull a Bob Benton from volume II of Terra Obscura. The original appears through a time-tunnel, and rips open the skull of the duplicate to reveal a head full of robot machinery, which the original then crushes, poclaiming, "You were never me."

[The Cool Thatguy]

Are there any palpable signs, aside from hearsay, that imply that TPTB are taking steps to rescue Cass from this nightmare?

I remember an off hand comment about them 'repositioning' Batgirl when talking about the upcoming Huntress: Year One mini, I think. What that means, I'm not sure

[mattx110]

Better yet, let's pull a Bob Benton from volume II of Terra Obscura. The original appears through a time-tunnel, and rips open the skull of the duplicate to reveal a head full of robot machinery, which the original then crushes, poclaiming, "You were never me."
jeeze, if they let beechen do that, instant forgiveness.
marvel already went nuts with LMDecoys and clones, but this could still work.

[Magneto_X]

Cass is in fact possessed by TIM!


*wonders if Tim now showers ten times a day and spends hours standing naked in front of a mirror*

[mattx110]

*wonders if Tim now showers ten times a day and spends hours standing naked in front of a mirror*
he's actually got a thing for mute asian chicks, now that she can talk, the novelty has kinda worn off...

[Drink]

*wonders if Tim now showers ten times a day and spends hours standing naked in front of a mirror*
That's actually funny in of itself, given that Cass was shown showering way too many times as it was.

[karasu]

They need to fix her immediately. This change totally invalidates her book because the entire story was about redemption! She struggled with her heritage for 73 issues! Her choices were shown through her actions and it was clear that she chose Batman's way over the way of her parents. But now it's like it never even happened. The only way I can imagine her becoming a villain is if Batman, Robin, Barbara, and everyone she ever knew and cared about was killed causing her to go through a massive breakdown of some sort. Going villain because of some BS invisible year just doesn't cut it. It's just bad writing.

[Sharpandpointies]

Yes, yes, yesyes, yes, yes, yes yes...

I guess I could go through this thread and figure out where to place my 'noes', but there is so much with which I overwhelmingly agree I'm not going to bother. :)