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The Story (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/13/mtl-blood-drives.html?ref=rss)
The questionnaire that Hema-Quebec distributes asks the men if they have had a sexual encounter with another man anytime since 1977. If the answer is yes, then they cannot give blood. McGill University has banned the blood drives until the question is changed.
I never even heard of this question being asked, so I'm more than a little surprised?
Is this, the question and the response, the norm for blood drives everywhere?
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 02:11 PM
The Story (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/13/mtl-blood-drives.html?ref=rss)
The questionnaire that Hema-Quebec distributes asks the men if they have had a sexual encounter with another man anytime since 1977. If the answer is yes, then they cannot give blood. McGill University has banned the blood drives until the question is changed.
I never even heard of this question being asked, so I'm more than a little surprised?
Is this, the question and the response, the norm for blood drives everywhere?
When we had blood drives in HS we where asked that question as well as any other sexual practices that might be deemed high-risk.
I think it has been that way for some time. Gay men fall into a high-risk group and high risk groups are prohibited from giving blood.
So if your answer is yes to that question you then fall in that group.
Matt Algren
11-13-2006, 02:20 PM
Last time I gave blood (a couple years ago) it was homosexual intercourse within the last year, if I'm remembering right. Going back 30 years seems a bit over-cautious.
Ontir
11-13-2006, 02:28 PM
We were talking about this in another thread, recently. In the US, gay men can't give blood, or be organ donors. Actually, it's any man, who's ever had sex with another man.
PS: I HATE being referred to as a "Homosexual." It's too clinical. "Gay," or "Queer" is preferable!
Jack Zodiac
11-13-2006, 02:59 PM
My girlfriend gives blood every once in a while, and one of the questions they ask her is "do you have anal sex?" And since she's a fuckin' prude (:p), she says "no." She told me this once a while back and I wondered why, and she said they put you in a higher-risk category if you have anal sex because of the possibility of unintentional fluid exchange through blood, which is understandable. That's certainly a risk.
However, not every gay man has AIDS. And they screen (or, as of 1986, they better fuckin' be screenin') any blood donated anyway, correct? So what's the fuckin' problem?
Unless they aren't really worried about AIDS, but afraid someone's gonna' catch "gay" if they get a gay man's blood. And if that's the case, Montreal's leaders have even bigger fuckin' problems than being stupid fuckin' bigots.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr
11-13-2006, 03:03 PM
The Story (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/13/mtl-blood-drives.html?ref=rss)
The questionnaire that Hema-Quebec distributes asks the men if they have had a sexual encounter with another man anytime since 1977. If the answer is yes, then they cannot give blood. McGill University has banned the blood drives until the question is changed.
I never even heard of this question being asked, so I'm more than a little surprised?
Is this, the question and the response, the norm for blood drives everywhere?
Yep, they ask that and they ask if you have lived in the UK for a time period longer than 6 months. And, since I lived in the UK for a year back in the late 80s, I can no longer give blood. Mad cow and all that.
warspite1805
11-13-2006, 03:07 PM
We were talking about this in another thread, recently. In the US, gay men can't give blood, or be organ donors. Actually, it's any man, who's ever had sex with another man.
PS: I HATE being referred to as a "Homosexual." It's too clinical. "Gay," or "Queer" is preferable!
I thought the phrase "queer" was viewed as insulting :confused:
Ontir
11-13-2006, 03:10 PM
Not since "Queer Nation," in the 90's.
See, saying "Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Trans-Gendered..." is just way too mcuh. "Queer" is a nice little all-encompassing word, which basically means, "not Straight."
It IS kind of annoying; but they do it to re-assure the general public - mainly because they blew it so very badly, early on. To be honest, there are some irresponsible people, who don't get tested, or lie about results; but those aren't the sort of people who would generally be motivated to give blood! I think a good, properly administered survey, combined with warming and screening of blood would be more than enough to assure the supply, as well as bring a bunch of people who would love to be able to give blood, back into the much needed pool.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr
11-13-2006, 03:13 PM
Not since "Queer Nation," in the 90's.
See, saying "Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Trans-Gendered..." is just way too mcuh. "Queer" is a nice little all-encompassing word, which basically means, "not Straight."
You'll have to pardon my ignorance, but is this one of those things like my black friends who call each other the "N" word? I don't think I could ever bring myself to use "queer" in a conversation. Too many derogatory connotations.
Ontir
11-13-2006, 03:23 PM
I respect your position; but I have to say that "Fag/Faggot" is more analagous to "the N Word."
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 03:42 PM
I respect your position; but I have to say that "Fag/Faggot" is more analagous to "the N Word."
Of course, we've begun the reclamation of that word as well.
Jack Zodiac
11-13-2006, 03:44 PM
Of course, we've begun the reclamation of that word as well.
Where? Does "South Park" count? I think that after a while, when a word is used so often and so obviously mocking its actual intention, it loses its power. Or, people wise up and remember that a word is just letters strung together, and the actual power behind it is in the voice of whatever fuckwad wants to use it to put somebody down.
You'll have to pardon my ignorance, but is this one of those things like my black friends who call each other the "N" word?
That's exactly what it is. Personally, this whole "reclaiming the word" bit, while empowering, ultimately hurts us in the long run.
Haunt
11-13-2006, 03:48 PM
When we had blood drives in HS we where asked that question as well as any other sexual practices that might be deemed high-risk.
I think it has been that way for some time. Gay men fall into a high-risk group and high risk groups are prohibited from giving blood.
So if your answer is yes to that question you then fall in that group.
"high-risk" groups? like 'teenagers' and 'college-students?' :)
Gilda Dent
11-13-2006, 03:48 PM
Not since "Queer Nation," in the 90's.
See, saying "Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Trans-Gendered..." is just way too mcuh. "Queer" is a nice little all-encompassing word, which basically means, "not Straight."
I'd like to clarify that most transgendered people are straight in terms of orientation.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr
11-13-2006, 03:49 PM
That's exactly what it is. Personally, this whole "reclaiming the word" bit, while empowering, ultimately hurts us in the long run.
Yeah, I can't imagine that I'll be using "queer" in casual conversation at any point in the near future.
BlairH
11-13-2006, 03:55 PM
The vampires who orchestrate the blood-drives don't like the taste of gay blood.
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 03:58 PM
The vampires who orchestrate the blood-drives don't like the taste of gay blood.
Nah To easy!
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:03 PM
Lmao @ Comparing "sup nigga" to "hey faggot".
Ontir
11-13-2006, 04:03 PM
I'd like to clarify that most transgendered people are straight in terms of orientation.
Fair enough; but the journey often makes transgendered people a part of the gay community at various times, and are often included in the groupings.
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 04:06 PM
Personally, this whole "reclaiming the word" bit, while empowering, ultimately hurts us in the long run.
Elucidate, please.
Elucidate, please.
Look at Dr. Hfuhruhurr's response. Here's a totally gay-friendly straight person who doesn't even know what he's allowed to call gay people and if he attempted to use "fag" or "queer" under the notion that we're reclaiming the words, I guarantee some gay person would wind up offended and he would wind up even more confused.
Gilda Dent
11-13-2006, 04:23 PM
Fair enough; but the journey often makes transgendered people a part of the gay community at various times, and are often included in the groupings.
Of course. I was just clarifying one aspect of things, not objecting to transgendered people being included.
Hfuhruhurr's
I totally spelled that without even looking. How awesome am I?
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:30 PM
Lol @ what to call a gay person. 'Gay' would be a start. Jeez when did everyone get so sensetive? Like you need their permission and stamp of approval on which are appropriate words. You're a queer ass faggot, it's ok, relax guy! I'm a genocidal 3rd world immigrant dirtbag! Nice to meet you! Holla!
Lol @ what to call a gay person. 'Gay' would be a start. Jeez when did everyone get so sensetive? Like you need their permission and stamp of approval on which are appropriate words. You're a queer ass faggot, it's ok, relax guy! I'm a genocidal 3rd world immigrant dirtbag! Nice to meet you! Holla!
You're trying too hard.
DarkBlade
11-13-2006, 04:34 PM
The Red Cross has asked that for years. *sigh*
Grazzt
11-13-2006, 04:34 PM
I totally spelled that without even looking. How awesome am I?
While I'm not going to argue against your awesomeness, I hardly think that spelling Hfuhruhurr's name really makes you any more awesome.
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 04:35 PM
Look at Dr. Hfuhruhurr's response. Here's a totally gay-friendly straight person who doesn't even know what he's allowed to call gay people and if he attempted to use "fag" or "queer" under the notion that we're reclaiming the words, I guarantee some gay person would wind up offended and he would wind up even more confused.
So it's better for the word to have a completely negative connotation? Sorry, I disagree. Besides, reclamation of words generally occurs in the community that said words are in reference to. I don't have to be terribly perceptive to know that walking up to some black guy that I've never met and calling him nigger, no matter how well-intentioned, will most likely elicit a negative response. If there's any question of protocol or propriety, then gay works just fine.
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:35 PM
You're trying too hard.
Lmao I had the most offensive insensetive come back for that, but it's most likely worthy of a ban so I won't.
And I wasn't trying anything......
I AM a 3rd world immigrant dirtbag.....
And you are a "queer" (that's the word you said you preferI think), are you not?
It was just a humorous post, don't take it so serious guy.
The Red Cross has asked that for years. *sigh*
I haven't donated blood since I was a virgin and that was a LOOOOONNNNG time ago.
Jack Zodiac
11-13-2006, 04:36 PM
You're trying too hard.
And at Lord knows what.
Honestly, I still believe that words are just words when they're empty of intent, like when people use "nigger" or "faggot" in the appropriate context of a discussion here about improper use of language. They don't become volatile until they're filled with intent, which isn't right and makes it impossible to "reclaim."
Meanwhile, I think they're fine when used entirely out of context in a humorous way, like "Chappelle's Show" dropping "nigger" a lot or "South Park" throwing the word "fag" around. The intent is reversed in these cases, whether or not they're attempts at reclaiming the word.
So it's better for the word to have a completely negative connotation? Abso-fucking-lutely. Why whitewash history? Trying to reclaim it isn't going to make it stop having a negative connotation, otherwise "nigger" would have stopped being a racial slur, oh...about 40 or 50 years ago.
Lmao I had the most offensive insensetive come back for that, but it's most likely worthy of a ban so I won't.
And I wasn't trying anything......
I AM a 3rd world immigrant dirtbag.....
And you are a "queer" (that's the word you said you preferI think), are you not?
It was just a humorous post, don't take it so serious guy.
See, now you've screwed it all up. You were trying too hard before, but the solution isn't to try even harder, it's to go for the light touch.
Kids today.
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:41 PM
See, now you've screwed it all up. You were trying too hard before, but the solution isn't to try even harder, it's to go for the light touch.
Kids today.
I'm 20 years old :(
And I still don't know what you mean by trying to hard, this is just my personality.
I haven't donated blood since I was a virgin and that was a LOOOOONNNNG time ago.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand THIS is the point where people actualy start to dislike homosexuals. When you start forcing us to mentaly picture, for however brief a time, things like you losing your virginity to another man.
*waits for inevitable banning from oversensetive pansies*
Jack Zodiac
11-13-2006, 04:42 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand THIS is the point where people actualy start to dislike homosexuals. When you start forcing us to mentaly picture, for however brief a time, things like you losing your virginity to another man.
What're you talkin' about? That's the best part! Tom's a fuckin' stud. Look for his pictures and tell me you wouldn't do him!
I'm 20 years old :(
And I still don't know what you mean by trying to hard, this is just my personality. I'm 40.
And I know.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand THIS is the point where people actualy start to dislike homosexuals. When you start forcing us to mentaly picture, for however brief a time, things like you losing your virginity to another man.Am I all sweaty when you picture me having sex? Am I on top or on the bottom? What does my O face look like? Is the other guy hot?
*waits for inevitable banning from oversensetive pansies*
O, the irony.
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:45 PM
What're you talkin' about? That's the best part! Tom's a fuckin' stud. Look for his pictures and tell me you wouldn't do him!
LMAO
http://209.85.12.231/1592/138/emo/no.gif
http://209.85.12.231/1592/138/emo/xperviesmissionary.gif
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 04:46 PM
What're you talkin' about? That's the best part! Tom's a fuckin' stud. Look for his pictures and tell me you wouldn't do him!
I thought everyone spent a fair amount of time picturing Tom having sex.
Ontir
11-13-2006, 04:47 PM
Abso-fucking-lutely. Why whitewash history? Trying to reclaim it isn't going to make it stop having a negative connotation, otherwise "nigger" would have stopped being a racial slur, oh...about 40 or 50 years ago.
It's not about whitewashing history, it's about saying this word, which was once a weapon, is now powerless. It can't be used to hurt me, or anyone else, again!
Slade,
If you spend a great deal of time visualizing everyone around you having sex, you probably need to be having more of it, yourself. If the thought or visual of two men having sex freaks you out, jus think about all the graphic straight sex that there is in films, and then make it two men, and you'll have some idea of gay peoples' experiences in the world.
...and "Pansies?" Is this REALLY where you wanted to go?
It's not about whitewashing history, it's about saying this word, which was once a weapon, is now powerless. It can't be used to hurt me, or anyone else, again!
But that's not going to happen. You may have decided that it's not going to hurt you but that doesn't literally change the meaning of the word for most people.
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:49 PM
I'm 40.
And I know.
Am I all sweaty when you picture me having sex? Am I on top or on the bottom? What does my O face look like? Is the other guy hot?
O, the irony.
I'm picturing you wearing only a bowtie, and white striped socks with tennis shoes, geting your haired pulled from behind all passionate, buy a Johnny Depp/Bradd Pitt hybrid looking guy whispering sweet nothings and dirty words into your ear enraging the flames of passion further and further. Oh the heat, MY GOD THE HEAT!
:)
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:51 PM
It's not about whitewashing history, it's about saying this word, which was once a weapon, is now powerless. It can't be used to hurt me, or anyone else, again!
Slade,
If you spend a great deal of time visualizing everyone around you having sex, you probably need to be having more of it, yourself. If the thought or visual of two men having sex freaks you out, jus think about all the graphic straight sex that there is in films, and then make it two men, and you'll have some idea of gay peoples' experiences in the world.
...and "Pansies?" Is this REALLY where you wanted to go?
Lmao you know exactly wha I meant shut up. if you're talking to someone and they say "when I lost my virginity" that mental pciture, or even just the thought of that obviosly flashes through your mind at that moment and that's unavoidable. Don't make it sound like I said I sit there by the cozy fire with a glass of wine dreaming about it. And I didn't call YOU a pansy I was refering to the mods who ban people for nothing.
Only now with my previous post can you acuse me of going beyond that. http://67.18.37.14/html/emoticons/wub.gif
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 04:52 PM
I'm picturing you wearing only a bowtie, and white striped socks with tennis shoes, geting your haired pulled from behind all passionate, buy a Johnny Depp/Bradd Pitt hybrid looking guy whispering sweet nothings and dirty words into your ear enraging the flames of passion further and further. Oh the heat, MY GOD THE HEAT!
:)
For a guy that cursed him for making you picture it, that was strangely detailed.
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 04:52 PM
Abso-fucking-lutely. Why whitewash history? Trying to reclaim it isn't going to make it stop having a negative connotation, otherwise "nigger" would have stopped being a racial slur, oh...about 40 or 50 years ago.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't imagine how it's better to leave a word with a completely negative connotation nor can I see how it's damaging for it to be used in a positive manner by the group that it describes, and I don't see why anyone else should have a problem with it. No, "nigger" isn't a word that I'm encouraged to use nor is it one that I'm inclined to use, but I think it's fucking wonderful that those that it has been used to describe have made it their own. It's about being comfortable and happy with the person that you are, and a small part of that is skin color and sexual orientation.
I'm picturing you wearing only a bowtie, and white striped socks with tennis shoes, geting your haired pulled from behind all passionate, buy a Johnny Depp/Bradd Pitt hybrid looking guy whispering sweet nothings and dirty words into your ear enraging the flames of passion further and further. Oh the heat, MY GOD THE HEAT!
:)
Actually it was a guy I met at my gym who blew me in the shower and took me home, but your version was more entertaining.
And revealing.
Grazzt
11-13-2006, 04:53 PM
For a guy that cursed him for making you picture it, that was strangely detailed.
That would make an interesting film.
Slade: Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Tom
:D
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't imagine how it's better to leave a word with a completely negative connotation nor can I see how it's damaging for it to be used in a positive manner by the group that it describes, and I don't see why anyone else should have a problem with it. No, "nigger" isn't a word that I'm encouraged to use nor is it one that I'm inclined to use, but I think it's fucking wonderful that those that it has been used to describe have made it their own. It's about being comfortable with and proud of the person you are, and a small part of that is skin color and sexual orientation.
I just don't understand the idea that negative words need to be turned into positive ones.
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:54 PM
For a guy that cursed him for making you picture it, that was strangely detailed.
I uhh...have no idea..what you're talking about...................................*hides barbara streisand albums*
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 04:55 PM
I just don't understand the idea that negative words need to be turned into positive ones.
There isn't a real need for it. I agree with that, but I don't see why it's a problem, as you suggested it was.
Slade.
11-13-2006, 04:55 PM
Actually it was a guy I met at my gym who blew me in the shower and took me home, but your version was more entertaining.
And revealing.
Lmaooooooooo
Touche.
Jack Zodiac
11-13-2006, 04:55 PM
But that's not going to happen. You may have decided that it's not going to hurt you but that doesn't literally change the meaning of the word for most people.
No, but it might help people who would be offended by those words shrug it off. Nothing will change the meaning of the word, and the intent will almost always be the same if it's being used to attack you, but your reaction to the word might change. It isn't about reclaiming it or using it against prejudice, but about spreading apathy for it- enough to make it personally powerless.
There isn't a real need for it. I agree with that, but I don't see why it's a problem, as you suggested it was.
As I said, it leaves well-meaning supporters confused as to how to refer to us and when a well-meaning supporter does refer to us as fags, 9 times out of 10 he's going to get a lot of heat for it.
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:02 PM
As I said, it leaves well-meaning supporters confused as to how to refer to us and when a well-meaning supporter does refer to us as fags, 9 times out of 10 he's going to get a lot of heat for it.
Now I am more confused then ever.
As a well meaning supporter. I would like to know what is the correct term to use.
Now I am more confused then ever.
As a well meaning supporter. I would like to know what is the correct term to use.
See what I mean, Chris?
Use "gay." You really can't go wrong with it.
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:04 PM
See what I mean, Chris?
Use "gay." You really can't go wrong with it.
Gay it is!
Gay! The choice of a new generation!
Kid Omega
11-13-2006, 05:11 PM
Gay! The choice of a new generation!
I prefer "sodomite".
That's cool, right?
Royal
11-13-2006, 05:13 PM
Gay! The choice of a new generation!
But I liked Pepsi Queer.
No wonder it got pulled off the shelf after four months.
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 05:15 PM
See what I mean, Chris?
Use "gay." You really can't go wrong with it.
Yes, I see, but you addressed the problem. If there's any confusion, use gay. You can't go wrong, just as you said. Again, I just don't think it's enough of a reason to dismiss word reclamation. You obviously do, and that's cool. I understand. Thanks for the elucidation. ;)
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:17 PM
What word can straight white guy's reclaim?
Cracker!
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 05:18 PM
I prefer "sodomite".
That's cool, right?
I actually enjoy being called a sodomite and a deviant. I also enjoy having my hair pulled and being roughed up a little. Maybe I'm just twisted.
But probably not as twisted as I'd like to be.
TheTen-EyedMan
11-13-2006, 05:18 PM
But I liked Pepsi Queer.
No wonder it got pulled off the shelf after four months.
It had that strange aftertaste.
I have gay friends, I have black friends. I even have a gay black friend.
Well that just sounds like justification to me.
Grazzt
11-13-2006, 05:19 PM
What word can straight white guy's reclaim?
Cracker!
"Honky" sounds like a good place to start.
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:20 PM
I actually enjoy being called a sodomite and a deviant. I also enjoy having my hair pulled and being roughed up a little. Maybe I'm just twisted.
But probably not as twisted as I'd like to be.
I call that just having a good time.
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 05:20 PM
What word can straight white guy's reclaim?
Cracker!
Asshole?
I kid! I kid!
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:21 PM
"Honky" sounds like a good place to start.
I like Honkey
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:21 PM
Asshole?
I kid! I kid!
Did not mean to offend. Sorry
TheTen-EyedMan
11-13-2006, 05:25 PM
"Honky" sounds like a good place to start.
http://d.aerno.com/damn.jpg
Grazzt
11-13-2006, 05:25 PM
Also, I don't see the reason why it should just be straight white guys. All white people, whether straight or gay, man or woman, should put forth an effort to reclaim these terms.
Kid Omega
11-13-2006, 05:27 PM
I actually enjoy being called a sodomite and a deviant.
I really resent the assumption that "sodo0mites" are "deviants". That's so closed-minded.
They're nothing inherently "deviant" about leather chaps and moustaches.
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:28 PM
Also, I don't see the reason why it should just be straight white guys. All white people, whether straight or gay, man or woman, should put forth an effort to reclaim these terms.
You make a good point.
Christopher O
11-13-2006, 05:30 PM
Did not mean to offend. Sorry
Somebody didn't read the fine print. Actually, it was "Lemon Chiffon" print but fine nonetheless.
Ontir
11-13-2006, 05:31 PM
I'm picturing you wearing only a bowtie, and white striped socks with tennis shoes, geting your haired pulled from behind all passionate, buy a Johnny Depp/Bradd Pitt hybrid looking guy whispering sweet nothings and dirty words into your ear enraging the flames of passion further and further. Oh the heat, MY GOD THE HEAT!
:)
You seem to have a vast knowledge of 70's gay porn!
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:34 PM
Somebody didn't read the fine print. Actually, it was "Lemon Chiffon" print but fine nonetheless.
Damn Internet.
But it is hard when it is hidden and you aren't looking for it. In my defense.
Grazzt
11-13-2006, 05:39 PM
Damn Internet.
But it is hard when it is hidden and you aren't looking for it. In my defense.
On the other hand, when you quoted him it would have been perfectly visible in the Quote tags.
Try for yourself.
Lord of Denial
11-13-2006, 05:42 PM
On the other hand, when you quoted him it would have been perfectly visible in the Quote tags.
Try for yourself.
I did not look!
Jerk
Mike Smash!
11-13-2006, 05:52 PM
I prefer "sodomite".
That's cool, right?
Gross! I hate sodomite. I don't know how the Aussies eat that crap.
Ontir
11-13-2006, 06:21 PM
I don't think "Sodomite" works as a term for gays, because the behaviour, other than it being same sex, can be, and often is done by straights.
With that, I have to say I didn't mean to highjack the thread from its original intent - again. I just seem to have knack!
Kid Omega
11-13-2006, 06:31 PM
I don't think "Sodomite" works as a term for gays, because the behaviour, other than it being same sex, can be, and often is done by straights.
With that, I have to say I didn't mean to highjack the thread from its original intent - again. I just seem to have knack!
All I know is that if you get really drunk and coked up, and put your wee wee in your girlfriend's hoohaa after it's been in her powpow, you'll be making a trip to the feminine aisle of the drugstore.
That was a long time ago, folks.
TheTen-EyedMan
11-13-2006, 06:35 PM
Gross! I hate sodomite. I don't know how the Aussies eat that crap.
I'm going to safely assume you were making a pun on it having the same consistancy as...well, dooky.
All I know is that if you get really drunk and coked up, and put your wee wee in your girlfriend's hoohaa after it's been in her powpow, you'll be making a trip to the feminine aisle of the drugstore.
That was a long time ago, folks.
Pfft.
Amateur.
Gladiaria_Alata
11-13-2006, 06:50 PM
My girlfriend gives blood every once in a while, and one of the questions they ask her is "do you have anal sex?" And since she's a fuckin' prude (:p), she says "no." She told me this once a while back and I wondered why, and she said they put you in a higher-risk category if you have anal sex because of the possibility of unintentional fluid exchange through blood, which is understandable. That's certainly a risk.
However, not every gay man has AIDS. And they screen (or, as of 1986, they better fuckin' be screenin') any blood donated anyway, correct? So what's the fuckin' problem?
Unless they aren't really worried about AIDS, but afraid someone's gonna' catch "gay" if they get a gay man's blood. And if that's the case, Montreal's leaders have even bigger fuckin' problems than being stupid fuckin' bigots.
My Reaction: WTF kind ass-backwards logic is this?!?!?:mad:
TheTen-EyedMan
11-13-2006, 06:52 PM
My Reaction: WTF kind ass-backwards logic is this?!?!?:mad:
It's Canada. Bryan Adams is from Canada.
That's all you need to know.
Gladiaria_Alata
11-13-2006, 06:58 PM
It's Canada. Bryan Adams is from Canada.
That's all you need to know.
Righty-o then. :rolleyes:
TheTen-EyedMan
11-13-2006, 07:03 PM
Righty-o then. :rolleyes:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/images/2002/God_Hates_Fags_Bush_Ranch_6-15-2002.jpg
As my boss keeps telling me, I'm not him.
Ontir
11-13-2006, 07:49 PM
All I know is that if you get really drunk and coked up, and put your wee wee in your girlfriend's hoohaa after it's been in her powpow, you'll be making a trip to the feminine aisle of the drugstore.
That was a long time ago, folks.
I do believe that constitutes WAAAAAAY TMFI!
Lovely use of euphemisms, though!
IIRC, "Hoohah" means "Bitch" with a capital "C," which means "PowPow" would be the flip-side.
Tages
11-13-2006, 09:01 PM
I just don't understand the idea that negative words need to be turned into positive ones.
I agree with George Carlin that it's all about context whether a word is good or bad.
And I and my gay-friendly straight friends use the term "fag hag" constantly, and we've never caught heat for it.
I agree with George Carlin that it's all about context whether a word is good or bad.
And I and my gay-friendly straight friends use the term "fag hag" constantly, and we've never caught heat for it.
I agree with that too. I just can't really get behind the idea that one context negates the other. There is no "reclaiming" the word so much as adding another way to use it.
Mike Smash!
11-13-2006, 11:51 PM
http://www.godhatesfags.com/images/2002/God_Hates_Fags_Bush_Ranch_6-15-2002.jpg
As my boss keeps telling me, I'm not him.
That's the happiest I've ever seen a Phelps disciple. He must have just burned a witch or something.
Mike Smash!
11-14-2006, 01:15 AM
I'm 20 years old :(
And I still don't know what you mean by trying to hard, this is just my personality.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand THIS is the point where people actualy start to dislike homosexuals. When you start forcing us to mentaly picture, for however brief a time, things like you losing your virginity to another man.
*waits for inevitable banning from oversensetive pansies*
Fucking breeder. Stop forcing your sick sex shit on us, hetero!
Spike-X
11-14-2006, 01:19 AM
All I know is that if you get really drunk and coked up, and put your wee wee in your girlfriend's hoohaa after it's been in her powpow, you'll be making a trip to the feminine aisle of the drugstore.
That was a long time ago, folks.
I think there's something we can all learn from this.
Hoohaa first, then powpow.
Solaris
11-14-2006, 01:48 AM
Gross! I hate sodomite. I don't know how the Aussies eat that crap.
Okay. I have laughed, and I have laughed... but this one made me fight to breathe. *remembering the time when Paul explained to me what Vegimite is*
Paradox
11-14-2006, 02:08 AM
I always liked "catamite".
Oh, it's inaccurate and meant to be insulting, and I never use it. I just think it's a neat word. I often like archaic terms for things. :p
And, yes, us poor unsuspecting supporters are in the same boat with the gay/queer/fag thing as we are with the black/African-American/bro thing. It's almost like we have to have you fill out a questionnaire to be sure not to offend.
"In the following scenario, rank your preference of epithet from 1 to 5, with 5 being the one you would most like..."
Ontir
11-14-2006, 02:32 AM
I'm unfamiliar with Catamite; but it sounds like someone Capt. Kirk would have issues with, or something, that in a pinch, could help restore Warp Drive.
"Fag Hag" is practically a badge of honour, as is the lesser known "Dyke Daddy."
Gladiaria_Alata
11-14-2006, 06:40 AM
http://www.godhatesfags.com/images/2002/God_Hates_Fags_Bush_Ranch_6-15-2002.jpg
As my boss keeps telling me, I'm not him.
Tch'
If He hates them so much why, then, do they exist? :rolleyes:
TheTen-EyedMan
11-14-2006, 06:56 AM
Tch'
If He hates them so much why, then, do they exist? :rolleyes:
Same reason that Rush Limbaugh exists.
Everyone (not me) has to have someone to hate.
Some completely stupid people hate homosexuals.
Some fucking stupid people hate negros.
Some intellectually superior people hate right wing Republican lickspittle radio personalities.
Paradox
11-14-2006, 07:03 AM
**sends Ontir to dictionary.com:
I'm unfamiliar with Catamite; but it sounds like someone Capt. Kirk would have issues with, or something, that in a pinch, could help restore Warp Drive.
Well, it would certainly change the connotation of "Cannae take et no moooore!" :p
Look it up. I had to, the first time I ran into it in Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover novels. :)
thehod
11-14-2006, 08:09 AM
The Story (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/13/mtl-blood-drives.html?ref=rss)
The questionnaire that Hema-Quebec distributes asks the men if they have had a sexual encounter with another man anytime since 1977. If the answer is yes, then they cannot give blood. McGill University has banned the blood drives until the question is changed.
I never even heard of this question being asked, so I'm more than a little surprised?
Is this, the question and the response, the norm for blood drives everywhere?
I can just imagine Tony Hancocks thoughts on this.
"A pint? A pint? That's very nearly a cock full."*
*And you have to be British and over 35 to get this joke.
Matt Algren
11-14-2006, 08:17 AM
Man, that guy sure L's his AO a lot. I mean, A LOT.
And he's got Tom completely wrong.
Winslow
11-14-2006, 08:24 AM
Man, that guy sure L's his AO a lot. I mean, A LOT.
And he's got Tom completely wrong.
I found this exchange hilarious:
I'm picturing you wearing only a bowtie, and white striped socks with tennis shoes, geting your haired pulled from behind all passionate, buy a Johnny Depp/Bradd Pitt hybrid looking guy whispering sweet nothings and dirty words into your ear enraging the flames of passion further and further. Oh the heat, MY GOD THE HEAT!
Actually it was a guy I met at my gym who blew me in the shower and took me home, but your version was more entertaining.
And revealing.
Although it may have triggered my dormant gay gene.
Matt Algren
11-14-2006, 08:28 AM
I found this exchange hilarious:
Although it may have triggered my dormant gay gene.Totally. I mean, everybody knows that Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt wouldn't whisper sweet nothings! He'd be totally shouting filth and obscenities at him. Plus, it's not like Tom would just take it like that. I mean, jeez.
>>>ahem<<<
I fear I've said too much.
Winslow
11-14-2006, 08:37 AM
Totally. I mean, everybody knows that Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt wouldn't whisper sweet nothings! He'd be totally shouting filth and obscenities at him. Plus, it's not like Tom would just take it like that. I mean, jeez.
>>>ahem<<<
I fear I've said too much.
HA!
Yeah, if I happen to enjoy a "visual" - there's that homophobic voice inside me that whispers, "maybe you're gay" . . .
so then I think about boobs for a half an hour to compensate.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr
11-14-2006, 10:08 AM
I totally spelled that without even looking. How awesome am I?
You'll have to send me your address. You win the prize. It's been, what?, two years and I think you're the first one to do so. Actually, you're the only one. Even I have to look occasionally.
Typo Lad
11-14-2006, 10:30 AM
You can stop thinking aobut boobs after a half hour?
Maybe you are gay.
king mob
11-14-2006, 11:24 AM
The Story (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/13/mtl-blood-drives.html?ref=rss)
The questionnaire that Hema-Quebec distributes asks the men if they have had a sexual encounter with another man anytime since 1977. If the answer is yes, then they cannot give blood. McGill University has banned the blood drives until the question is changed.
I never even heard of this question being asked, so I'm more than a little surprised?
Is this, the question and the response, the norm for blood drives everywhere?
One of my ex-girlfriends was told last year she can't give blood as she's had sex with a woman in the last few months prior to going to give blood. This isn't something which is unusual from all accounts.
Ontir
11-14-2006, 12:57 PM
Well, it would certainly change the connotation of "Cannae take et no moooore!" :p
Look it up. I had to, the first time I ran into it in Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover novels. :)
OK, that's taking us into NAMBLA territory, which is someplace I NEVER want to go! I know a lot of guys are into younger men, and I've known a few who think teens are interesting; but bald bodies turn me off, and seriously, once you're over 30, what are the odds you're going to have much of anything to talk to a younger person about? These days, I'm not even looking below 35. I guess this is one of those largely mythical appellations, like "Pederast" for gay men. Pederasty, or Catematism(?) is the nearly exclusive realm of heterosexual men, who are after power through sex, rather than a real relationship with sex.
Winslow
11-14-2006, 01:05 PM
You can stop thinking aobut boobs after a half hour?
Maybe you are gay.
Point.
. . . . .
Clint Barton
11-14-2006, 02:56 PM
I don't have time or the inclination to get in a debate over anything here right now.
However, I'd like to testify that my wife and twin boys received 54 units back in 1991....which was quite scary given the perceived safety of the blood supply. However, I will testify that the blood supply is more safe now than it has ever been. Don't let fears keep you from giving blood or receiving blood to live or give/sustain life.
I met a family today who had a little boy who was transfused and it made me go to the local Red Cross and give a pint. I'm a regular giver and maybe...just maybe....my donation will make a difference in someone's life.
Give blood, people. I don't give a damn what your beliefs/orientations/misconceptions are!
Dr. Hfuhruhurr
11-14-2006, 03:02 PM
All I know is that if you get really drunk and coked up, and put your wee wee in your girlfriend's hoohaa after it's been in her powpow, you'll be making a trip to the feminine aisle of the drugstore.
That was a long time ago, folks.
Time was, a man good stick his hoo-hoo-dilly into his lady's cha-cha and that would be that. Now, you've got to worry about the pow-pow, too. And let's not even get into the wangdangdoodle.
Things sure have changed since I was a kid.
DarkBlade
11-14-2006, 04:01 PM
Clint, the problem is the blood drive people saying "No, we don't want yours."
TheTen-EyedMan
11-14-2006, 06:07 PM
It's official. Gerald Tremblay doesn't like gay people.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Gerald_tremblay01.gif
Clint Barton
11-14-2006, 08:02 PM
Clint, the problem is the blood drive people saying "No, we don't want yours."
Well, my point is that the blood supply is safe and it costs nothing to give....and it's not painful.
king mob
11-15-2006, 01:30 AM
Well, my point is that the blood supply is safe and it costs nothing to give....and it's not painful.
It's not and more people should give blood but there are restrictions (which seem to vary from country to country) on gay, lesbian and bisexual people giving blood.
Paradox
11-15-2006, 01:30 AM
Ontir gets his back up:
OK, that's taking us into NAMBLA territory, which is someplace I NEVER want to go! I know a lot of guys are into younger men, and I've known a few who think teens are interesting; but bald bodies turn me off, and seriously, once you're over 30, what are the odds you're going to have much of anything to talk to a younger person about? These days, I'm not even looking below 35. I guess this is one of those largely mythical appellations, like "Pederast" for gay men. Pederasty, or Catematism(?) is the nearly exclusive realm of heterosexual men, who are after power through sex, rather than a real relationship with sex.
Well I SAID it was inaccurate and insulting. I just happen to like it as a WORD. Maybe it's those snappy "k" and "t" sounds. I don't know.
Typo Lad
11-15-2006, 06:07 AM
I can't give blood. I always feel left out.
Zombienorthstar
11-15-2006, 06:28 AM
I'm fairly sure gay men cant give blood in the UK either...im not offended though...its for a good reason.
thehod
11-15-2006, 06:49 AM
I'm fairly sure gay men cant give blood in the UK either...im not offended though...its for a good reason.
I'd be interested in what that good reason was.
Ontir
11-15-2006, 06:51 AM
I'm fairly sure gay men cant give blood in the UK either...im not offended though...its for a good reason.
I have mixed feelings on it, myself. I can see it, to a point; but there are as many arguments against it, as well.
BTW: Your name is potato?
DarkBlade
11-15-2006, 12:56 PM
I can't give blood. I always feel left out.
*Sits in the inelligible corner with Morts*
And yes, more elligible people DO need to give blood.
Gilda Dent
11-15-2006, 01:08 PM
I can't give blood. I always feel left out.
*Sits in the inelligible corner with Morts*
*Joins the ineligible crowd in the corner*
There's three of us now. Lets form a club!
Grazzt
11-15-2006, 01:14 PM
*Joins the ineligible crowd in the corner*
There's three of us now. Lets form a club!
That sounds cool. What do you think we should call it?
Typo Lad
11-15-2006, 01:16 PM
The Blooded Ones!
Gilda Dent
11-15-2006, 01:17 PM
That sounds cool. What do you think we should call it?
The Association of People Who Are Ineligible to Dontate Blood. Or TAPWAIDB.
Tages
11-15-2006, 01:32 PM
*Joins the ineligible crowd in the corner*
There's three of us now. Lets form a club!
I have AB negative blood, so I'm 99% ineligible. Can I be an honorary member?
Gilda Dent
11-15-2006, 01:39 PM
I have AB negative blood, so I'm 99% ineligible. Can I be an honorary member?
Doesn't that make you more valuable as a donor, that it's so rare? When I donated plasma as a poor college student, my plasma was more sought after because I have hepatitis antibodies from a childhood infection.
Alas, I now get eliminated on like three different criteria, maybe four.
Dreadstar
11-15-2006, 01:42 PM
*Joins the ineligible crowd in the corner*
There's three of us now. Lets form a club!
I wouldn't be a member of any club that would have me.
Fortunately, over the years, I became eligible. I think I was routinely rejected until I was about 30 give or take.
Typo Lad
11-15-2006, 01:44 PM
...
Okay, i give up. What changed?
...
Okay, i give up. What changed?
Duh.
He stopped having sex with men.
jessecuster3
11-15-2006, 01:46 PM
You can stop thinking aobut boobs after a half hour?
Maybe you are gay.
So I was reading this thread backwards, and this was at the top of the page. I figured it was a response to Ed, so I was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be Win.
Dreadstar
11-15-2006, 01:50 PM
Blood pressure.
I was a really active kid and athletic and had the metabolism that just wouldn't quit. And my blood pressure was, at rest, normalized at some ungodly low number like 95 over 65. Well below the threshold of acceptable for the Red Cross.
Believe it or not, my blood pressure is "high" these days with numbers that any other high blood pressure sufferer would *kill* for: the normal 120 over 80-90.
Tages
11-15-2006, 01:58 PM
Doesn't that make you more valuable as a donor, that it's so rare?
ABs can receive blood from any type, but only give to other ABs.
So only 1 in 100 people can take my blood without, uh, dying.
Zombienorthstar
11-15-2006, 02:02 PM
I'd be interested in what that good reason was.
Anal sex is more dangerous...anyone who takes part in it is at more of a potential risk.
Sentry
11-15-2006, 02:05 PM
Im sure if they really ever need a lot of blood (maybe a big war) they would move the line, but as it is they try to keep it low risk as possible. Im ok with that.
If a gay man wants to help out there are other ways and more pressing issues in the world.
Gilda Dent
11-15-2006, 02:21 PM
ABs can receive blood from any type, but only give to other ABs.
So only 1 in 100 people can take my blood without, uh, dying.
Ok. You're in, then!
Boldido
11-15-2006, 02:31 PM
I'm O negative, the "TRUE UNIVERSAL" donor. Anyone can recieve my blood. Of course if I need blood then I'm screwed because I can only receive O-. Only about 6-9% of us.
Grazzt
11-15-2006, 02:36 PM
ABs can receive blood from any type, but only give to other ABs.
So only 1 in 100 people can take my blood without, uh, dying.
Can't you also give your blood to AB+s? That increases the amount of people that you could receive your blood to about 4 in 100.
thehod
11-16-2006, 02:07 AM
ABs can receive blood from any type, but only give to other ABs.
So only 1 in 100 people can take my blood without, uh, dying.
True, but as Gilda says, that makes you a much more of a valuable doner as, yes very few people can take your blood, but there a very small stocks of your type of blood for those who can.
I'm AB- too, and I really should donate more often, but I'm lazy. The plus side of giving blood is that alcohol effects you far quicker, so you can get pissed on three pints.
Anal sex is more dangerous...anyone who takes part in it is at more of a potential risk.
Don't they test all blood donated to insure that there are no infections of any type? To me, it makes little sense to immediatly scrub off a whole group of potential good doners just because they've had a cock up their arse.
Tages
11-16-2006, 05:10 AM
Can't you also give your blood to AB+s?
The guy at UBS gave me this longwinded explanation on how apparently I can't.
As a healthy 6'4", 250 lb. young male, though, I was able to do that double-plasma thing.
DarkBlade
11-16-2006, 09:22 AM
Generally speaking, it's still best to get blood that's of your own type, even if you're AB. So there IS call for it.
Novaya Havoc
11-16-2006, 09:45 AM
Yeah. Since I can't give blood, I always ran the blood drives. In my high school, in my frat -- every time. I set up the volunteers, did the PR, organized, set up, took down, the whole sha'bang.
After my 3rd High School blood drive, a nurse asked me why I didn't donate. So I politely told her:
"My HIV-negative gay blood prevents me from donating because I was born after 1977. So I run the blood drives instead."
She said "That's really sweet of you. Thank you for your work," and went back to her station. My best friend's jaw dropped, telling me I had no shame. To which I said that I sure as hell wasn't ashamed of being gay. I'm good enough to volunteer and facilitate the drives, but not good enough to have my blood be properly screened as a donation simply because of my orientation.
I really hate double-standards. I've never found out my blood type because of this, either. I hope I'm a fucking O-type, too. Serves 'em right.
But I can't donate ORGANS? Now that just pisses me off.
Novaya Havoc
11-16-2006, 09:50 AM
Im sure if they really ever need a lot of blood (maybe a big war) they would move the line, but as it is they try to keep it low risk as possible. Im ok with that.
If a gay man wants to help out there are other ways and more pressing issues in the world.
They screen all blood from every donor anyhow. Anyone can walk up and lie on the application. I've had other gay friends do it. I'm sure women who don't know they're HIV+ have done it.
It's a stupid double standard. It's like racial profiling. If you're black, why, you MUST be attempting to shoplift in my store! Except in this case, it's worse as blood donation is a clinical procedure and goes through a screening process before it is properly banked.
So esentially they're throwing out gays because they want to save a few needles, cookies, juice, and 20 minutes of their time.
Grazzt
11-16-2006, 10:15 AM
True, but as Gilda says, that makes you a much more of a valuable doner as, yes very few people can take your blood, but there a very small stocks of your type of blood for those who can.
The problem with that is that everybody who can take AB- blood can also take any other kind of blood. Or at least any other kind of negative blood.
king mob
11-16-2006, 11:30 AM
But I can't donate ORGANS? Now that just pisses me off.
That's a new one. It's not something i've heard of before unless you have a serious illness which will be passed on. Is it very common in the US?
Novaya Havoc
11-16-2006, 11:31 AM
That's a new one. It's not something i've heard of before unless you have a serious illness which will be passed on. Is it very common in the US?
Oh, I dunno. Someone else said that. I didn't know.
Ontir
11-16-2006, 01:49 PM
I was told years ago, that any man, who has had sex with another man, cannot donate blood, or organs. If that's outdated/amended, or changed, I've not been so informed.
HomerJay
11-16-2006, 03:31 PM
Good, I don't wanna catch the gay.
Jack Zodiac
11-16-2006, 03:33 PM
I was told years ago, that any man, who has had sex with another man, cannot donate blood, or organs. If that's outdated/amended, or changed, I've not been so informed.
"Can't" because of the possibility that, maybe, you've got HIV. Y'know, 'cause you're gay, and twenty years ago, if you were gay, that was a scary concern because they didn't regulate blood donors properly. Today, though, they test all blood, no matter what you say on your application. So, to deny an entire group of people the right to donate their clean, healthy blood to people who need it because of the off-chance that they might have HIV, which would be caught anyway, is fucking lame and, in my eyes, a form of discrimination.
So you lie. You know you're clean, they don't know you've had a weiner in your butt unless you tell 'em, and you want to do the right thing by giving blood to people who need it. Fuck 'em.
Jack Zodiac
11-16-2006, 03:34 PM
Good, I don't wanna catch the gay.
Well, step right up and I'll give you your booster shot!
*zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzip!*
Ontir
11-16-2006, 03:48 PM
"Can't" because of the possibility that, maybe, you've got HIV. Y'know, 'cause you're gay, and twenty years ago, if you were gay, that was a scary concern because they didn't regulate blood donors properly. Today, though, they test all blood, no matter what you say on your application. So, to deny an entire group of people the right to donate their clean, healthy blood to people who need it because of the off-chance that they might have HIV, which would be caught anyway, is fucking lame and, in my eyes, a form of discrimination.
So you lie. You know you're clean, they don't know you've had a weiner in your butt unless you tell 'em, and you want to do the right thing by giving blood to people who need it. Fuck 'em.
That was two years ago, that I was told this. I also don't like lying. Why should I have to. Lying about who I was made life unbearable, and I don't want to do that again, for any reason.
Matt Algren
11-16-2006, 03:52 PM
"Can't" because of the possibility that, maybe, you've got HIV. Y'know, 'cause you're gay, and twenty years ago, if you were gay, that was a scary concern because they didn't regulate blood donors properly. Today, though, they test all blood, no matter what you say on your application. So, to deny an entire group of people the right to donate their clean, healthy blood to people who need it because of the off-chance that they might have HIV, which would be caught anyway, is fucking lame and, in my eyes, a form of discrimination.
So you lie. You know you're clean, they don't know you've had a weiner in your butt unless you tell 'em, and you want to do the right thing by giving blood to people who need it. Fuck 'em.
But if you fuck 'em they'll know you've got the gay. What you want to do is not fuck 'em.
In all seriousness, I am surprised that this rule is still out there. It seems like it's been outmoded by technology and testing standards.
Chris Nowlin
11-16-2006, 03:56 PM
But if you fuck 'em they'll know you've got the gay. What you want to do is not fuck 'em.
In all seriousness, I am surprised that this rule is still out there. It seems like it's been outmoded by technology and testing standards.
Irrational fears don't change as quickly as technology.
Jack Zodiac
11-16-2006, 04:16 PM
That was two years ago, that I was told this. I also don't like lying. Why should I have to. Lying about who I was made life unbearable, and I don't want to do that again, for any reason.
I understand ya'. It just blows that if, say, I were gay, I couldn't donate my Type O blood, which could help all kinds of people, because of some ridiculous discriminatory actions taken by small-minded, myopic bigots.
Jack Zodiac
11-16-2006, 04:17 PM
Irrational fears don't change as quickly as technology.
Very nicely put.
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