solitations CW: February!

[Nobbel]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Feb07/solicitations.html

seems Storm is gonna fight Clor, cool!

[EZMOHR]

Okay, I like Storm and all....but a clone of Thor vs. Storm. Can this really even go down......and end well.

[Nobbel]

they never combatted before, so now we're gonna see who is strongest

[garin]

Anyone else notice this?
CIVIL WAR: THE INITIATIVE
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS & WARREN ELLIS
Pencils and Cover by MARC SILVESTRI
The post war Marvel Universe begins here! The war is over!! Let the healing begin!! This all-new special written by Brian Bendis, especially for modern legend Marc Silvestri, debuts the all new IRON MAN, OMEGA FLIGHT, MIGHTY AVENGERS, NEW AVENGERS and with a special chapter written by Warren Ellis...THUNDERBOLTS! Each chapter is an important all-new prologue for each of these huge new series and sets up the radically altered landscape that makes up the post-Civil War Marvel Universe!
64 PGS./RATED T+ …$4.99
I guess the rumours are true.

[Dark Soul # 7]

they never combatted before, so now we're gonna see who is strongestStorm and Thor fought eachother in Contest of Champions II.

She threw everything she had at Thor and it did nothing. He smacked her lightning back at her and took her heaviest hurricane like it was a summerbreeze. In the end he knocked her out by kissing her so deeply that she literally lost her breath and fainted.

But it's Hudlin's book and Clor so we don't know how it will go.

EDIT: And Ronin still looks like a man.

[EmmettHULK]

Storm and Thor fought eachother in Contest of Champions II.

She threw everything she had at Thor and it did nothing. He smacked her lightning back at her and took her heaviest hurricane like it was a summerbreeze. In the end he knocked her out by kissing her so deeply that she literally lost her breath and fainted.




Please tell me you are kidding.
For the love of God, you have to be kidding, right?
Storm was beaten by a fricking kiss that took her breath away?

Could Marvel be any more cheesy and sexist?

[Expletive Deleted]

What's the point of previewing a non-solicitation?

[Expletive Deleted]

Could Marvel be any more cheesy and sexist?Eh, it was Claremont.

[Kevinroc]

What's the point of previewing a non-solicitation?

To grab attention.

"Oh my god, Marvel won't even reveal anything in the solicit. Major things have to be happening in this title to reflect the post Civil War landscape."

[PatchMadripoor]

I remember reading it back in the day, when Thor at the time was also a hunk/warrior/poet and less bad ass power house, and there was no way other for Storm to lose without getting a serious pounding.

God, am I that old that I can remeber reading it?

Anyways, back then Storm's power levels were not what they are today. A rematch would be interesting. Clor is gonna get wupped. The real deal, eh, a different story.

[Effect]

Please tell me you are kidding.
For the love of God, you have to be kidding, right?
Storm was beaten by a fricking kiss that took her breath away?

Could Marvel be any more cheesy and sexist?

Lack of air will do that. Also it might not have had anything to with what you are thinking. The very shock of it could have caused her to stop breathing or took away that abilitiy. Thor is a god mind you.

Then again I've never read the story so who knows what really happy. Don't be so quick to jump on the defensive about it without ever reading it first. Not like we have a word for word accounting of the scene in quesiton for us to go over now do we?

[StoneGold]

Given that we don't really know what Clor can do, based on what he's done, yeah, he's going to get his ass kicked. Everything that we've seen him do is in one way or another a function of his hammer. And the weather stuff ain't gonna work on Storm.

[Expletive Deleted]

To grab attention.

"Oh my god, Marvel won't even reveal anything in the solicit. Major things have to be happening in this title to reflect the post Civil War landscape."I guess, but you'd think there'd be a less pointless way of getting that point across.

[guy2]

so i guess there adding some new titles to the civil war library of books
not that im complaning

[streator]

thunderbolts 111 and new avengers 27 have some nice covers.
i'm not planning on picking up anything listed in this preview though.

[Effect]

I feel bad for Songbird though. Here's hoping she's in a better situation soon.

[Kevinroc]

I guess, but you'd think there'd be a less pointless way of getting that point across.

Don't look at me. Marketing ain't exactly my thing.

"Yes, these books are coming out but we can't tell you anything at all about them except who is working on them because they would spoil Civil War. See how important they are?"

[SnakeEater]

so yet another book added - The Intiative?
And also are cap and iron man added to the civil war list now too?

[Effect]

I keep thinking there Marvel is going to overextend themselves and it's really going to cost them in terms of sales over all and perhaps readers. Just how long before people start deciding they need to drop certain things and realize they can't afford to get everything on top of what they already get.

Will some be willing to drop normal ongoing titles or just ignore the new Civil War tie in issues? I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happen.

I think it's going to cost Marvel down the line as well at some point. Kinda have the same feeling toward DC at the moment. It seems most of their attention is on 52 and the rest of their titles kinda are suffering from it to one degree or another. Same might happen here.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Anyways, back then Storm's power levels were not what they are today. A rematch would be interesting. Clor is gonna get wupped. The real deal, eh, a different story.The comic I'm talking about is from 1999. I don't think there's any signifigant difference in power between Storm from that year and the present Storm. Though I could be wrong.

[Xanrn]

Not really.

But of course she is going to win.

1. Is a Black Woman versus the Blonde Blue Eye Northman in a book written by Hudlin.

2. Its a Clone.

3. See 1.

[Siddon]

Not really.

But of course she is going to win.

1. Is a Black Woman versus the Blonde Blue Eye Northman in a book written by Hudlin.

2. Its a Clone.

3. See 1.


Yeah thats not insulting or racist at all. My favorite was when Wolverine was going to fight Sentry and everyone started crying about how industructable Wolverine was.... and he got beaten soundly.

I'm thinking the crap extras will be forgotten along with Strife's Strike File.

[DoctorDoom]

Yeah thats not insulting or racist at all. My favorite was when Wolverine was going to fight Sentry and everyone started crying about how industructable Wolverine was.... and he got beaten soundly.

I'm thinking the crap extras will be forgotten along with Strife's Strike File.
What does Stryfe's Strike File have to do with it?

Wait...it came out after X-Cutioner's Tale, right? Hrmmm...are yoi talking about it's irrelevance over the test of time as a tie-in/ wrap-up/etc to a Marvel event?

[Siddon]

What does Stryfe's Strike File have to do with it?

Wait...it came out after X-Cutioner's Tale, right? Hrmmm...are yoi talking about it's irrelevance over the test of time as a tie-in/ wrap-up/etc to a Marvel event?

yes I am sure we not care nor remember why Howard the Duck choose sides or the damage report or any of the other crap.

[Jmacq1]

So does anyone doubt which side "wins" the war now?

Welcome to the Supercop universe.

[Pike]

they never combatted before, so now we're gonna see who is strongest

They have fought before. Thor won. In a real fight Storm wouldn't stand a chance against Thor.

[Pike]

Anyone else notice this?

I guess the rumours are true.

What rumours? Care to share :)

[Pike]

Well Clor is the worst idea ever. Here's hoping that Storm just obliterates him.

She would stand no chance agains the real Thor but against clor, I hope she kills it.

[Soundrave]

Yeah thats not insulting or racist at all. My favorite was when Wolverine was going to fight Sentry and everyone started crying about how industructable Wolverine was.... and he got beaten soundly.

I'm thinking the crap extras will be forgotten along with Strife's Strike File.

I think the crap extras like Choosing Sides and Civil War Files have been more enjoyable than a lot of the other crap tie-ins so far. More intelligent, at least.

[Elegance Liberty]

The only good I see coming out this is the stuff for 'Omega Flight'.

But even though I've changed my initial tune on it, I still have my doubts.

[CAPWOLF]

If Clor is anything like Thor then Storm should get her a$$ whupped

Storm= weather mutant

Clor=God of Thunder


Clor>Storm

If anyone has any doubts ask Bill Foster.

[Sparda]

I would get Omega flight by giving it a chance. Mighty avenger's maybe, I just don't like the idea that all the characters on that team are too overpowered. Personally get rid of sentry off the team and put him in cosmic battles from time to time. New Avenger's I'll stick with. Hope spider-man stays on the team and cap remains.

Damn there adding more crap to the civil war event. I'd buy the intiative issue and definetly the Thunderbolts issue starting at issue 110. other stuff don't care.

[Magneto Rocks]

Very interesting. On the one hand, yeah it's to build hype. But to be fair, it's not like they COULD have revealed anything.

Yeah btw, I still have my doubts as to who will win, jmacq. We'll see.

Anyway, other stuff to address:

-WTF is Bendis smoking? Just because he doesn't write an event, doesn't mean he needs to regard it as fairly unimportant! The New Avengers have been literally RIPPED apart by the war, they are debuting a whole NEW LINE-UP AND BENDIS-

...decides to focus on the LEAST popular character by far from his old line-up

Storm should lose by a mile. Which, with Hudlin, means she probably won't.

Double-sized Cap 25 promises to be great. I'm curious as to why FF isn't listed and why it isn't referred to in the CW: The Return Solicit. Tom said it was one of the titles to be changed the most so this silence seems very odd....

Oh yeah, and there is NOTHING to confirm the new iron man rumor. If you read the solicit, it's clearly referring to all-new Iron Man AND Omega Flight AND Cap AND... etc, as in completely changed post-CW.

Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic though I was disappointed to see Bendis writing the fall-out issue- that should be a job for Millar. Or, fopr that matter, anyone who's actually competent at writing large casts.

[Keith_Martineau]

Very interesting. On the one hand, yeah it's to build hype. But to be fair, it's not like they COULD have revealed anything.

Yeah btw, I still have my doubts as to who will win, jmacq. We'll see.

Anyway, other stuff to address:

-WTF is Bendis smoking? Just because he doesn't write an event, doesn't mean he needs to regard it as fairly unimportant! The New Avengers have been literally RIPPED apart by the war, they are debuting a whole NEW LINE-UP AND BENDIS-

...decides to focus on the LEAST popular character by far from his old line-up

Storm should lose by a mile. Which, with Hudlin, means she probably won't.

Double-sized Cap 25 promises to be great. I'm curious as to why FF isn't listed and why it isn't referred to in the CW: The Return Solicit. Tom said it was one of the titles to be changed the most so this silence seems very odd....

Oh yeah, and there is NOTHING to confirm the new iron man rumor. If you read the solicit, it's clearly referring to all-new Iron Man AND Omega Flight AND Cap AND... etc, as in completely changed post-CW.

Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic though I was disappointed to see Bendis writing the fall-out issue- that should be a job for Millar. Or, fopr that matter, anyone who's actually competent at writing large casts.

Look at the preview pages for NA 27. It talks about Civil War. What is wrong with Bendis furthering one of his plots that he clearly has plans for? And just because it has Echo, and the Hand on the cover, doesn't mean it won't deal with Civil War.

And no, Millar shouldn't write the fall out, otherwise it'd be Civil War 8. S'not his job to provide additional coda. Chris Claremont wrote The Day After for House of M.

[garin]

What rumours? Care to share :)
That there's someone new in the Iron Man suit post-Civil War.

Oh yeah, and there is NOTHING to confirm the new iron man rumor. If you read the solicit, it's clearly referring to all-new Iron Man AND Omega Flight AND Cap AND... etc, as in completely changed post-CW.
Not quite. There's no reference to Cap- only the New Avengers, Thunderbolts, Mighty Avengers and Omega Flight. Which are all either brand new, or teams with new line-ups. Lumping Iron Man in with that lot certainly implies to me that it's a new Iron Man.

[Magneto Rocks]

Look at the preview pages for NA 27. It talks about Civil War. What is wrong with Bendis furthering one of his plots that he clearly has plans for? And just because it has Echo, and the Hand on the cover, doesn't mean it won't deal with Civil War.

I have no problems with him advancing his own plots. I DO have problems with the fact that in an issue introducing an all-new lineup for a team which has been broken apart, it's very FOUNDATION shattered and it's core broken open, in an issue immediately following a catastrophic civil war at which this team were at the centre....

It is at THIS moment that Bendis chooses to focus on one of the few characters who was completely out of it. So as far as I'm concerned- if Bendis wants to make 28 Echo-centric, fine. But 27? Very bad call.

And no, Millar shouldn't write the fall out, otherwise it'd be Civil War 8. S'not his job to provide additional coda. Chris Claremont wrote The Day After for House of M.

And marvel should learn from that. If Millar wrote it, this fall-out title might acutally be good.

[Keith_Martineau]

And marvel should learn from that. If Millar wrote it, this fall-out title might acutally be good.

Learn from what? Day After sold very well and set up all the new titles that came out over the next couple months.

Oh no! They're doing it again! Only with a writer who currently sells boatloads of comics for them!

[Slade.]

lol if storm wins even against a clone of thor it will be laughable. completly laughable.

[Slade.]

I would get Omega flight by giving it a chance. Mighty avenger's maybe, I just don't like the idea that all the characters on that team are too overpowered. Personally get rid of sentry off the team and put him in cosmic battles from time to time. New Avenger's I'll stick with. Hope spider-man stays on the team and cap remains.

Damn there adding more crap to the civil war event. I'd buy the intiative issue and definetly the Thunderbolts issue starting at issue 110. other stuff don't care.

Putting Sentry into cosmic crap with SIlver Surfer and Annihilation type stuff = character officialy becomes completly worthless and wack to me

[Deus ex Chris]

lol if storm wins even against a clone of thor it will be laughable. completly laughable.
Why? He isn't in possession of Mjolnir, and in his Civil War appearance, he really didn't do much that Storm couldn't do and nothing that would really phase her, aside from throwing that hammer.

[Slade.]

Why? He isn't in possession of Mjolnir, and in his Civil War appearance, he really didn't do much that Storm couldn't do and nothing that would really phase her, aside from throwing that hammer.


Well if he has the physical strength of Thor I would imagine it wouldn't be to hard to just beast all over Storm's face without all the fancy lightning bolts. And yes throwing the hammer too. I mean he came and he was dominating the whole anti-reg team, so I don't see why he would have too muc trouble with Storm. But YOU KNOW he will, cuz that's what will be written to make it more even and to make Storm more badass.

[Keith_Martineau]

The actual power that Clor wields is still totally up in the air. He and his Mjlorn are fake.
I don't care what Reed Richards can do, he CANNOT clone a GOD. He can only make an approximation.
For that reason Storm could beat him. He isn't Thor. He could not possibly have the same power level as Thor. And if Hudlin is at all smart, he's gonna take into account Storms...wild streak when it comes to combat, and let her let loose.
If Storm let herself, she has the power capable of a God. It could be a spectacular battle.

[Jadeskies]

The hammer wont do anything to her? Since when? Is her secondary mutant power the ability to avoid electrical damage and hammer slams to her head? Theres nothing Storm can throw at the god of Thunder (and weather) that would phase him. Mind you this is Clor, but he is still a god. (How you scientifically clone an entity who is essentially composed of magic is beyond me.)

But if my guess is right the black panther would have a plan to deal with him, black panther doesnt have to face a threat directly to neutralise it. Look what he did to Apocalypse in M-day, he dropped Black bolt on him.

Theres also nothing on that cover that suggests that Clor and Storm actually fight. It suggests that the two meet and thats all. If you were astute of the X-men covers from the last few years you'd notice that what happened on the covers had nothing to do with what happened in the comic. IN fact people were fighting on the cover that were not even in the same scene or place in the comic.

Jees where were DNA tests back when every lady Odin passed accused him of being thier 'Baby Daddy'?

[Leaper Queen]

Storm has never used her power at full potential. So, no one can tell how strong she will be if she does.

So, let's not draw any conclusions on who is stronger until both used their powers in full in a one on one battle.

Also, the 'Clor' has not a lot of expiriance in battle and Storm does have years of training and battles behind her. It's not always the strongest who wins, but mostly the smartest in battle.

[Magneto Rocks]

To be fair, experience won't be much of a factor with a Thor clone. Given that it's part cyborg it can compensate for experience- how smart it is is another question but given that it was programmed by Reed Richards it was VERY smart.

The fact remains- we don't know how powerful CLor is but he can blow a hole through a giant-man, smash HERCULES pretty bad with a bolt of lightning and fell guys like CABLE with the throw of a hammer- Storm would be hard-pressed unless she went all out. Even all out she doesn't stand a prayer against Thor but it could be enough to take her to victory against Clor.

Otherwise I can just see him taking what she throws at him, smashing her out of the sky and then blasting a hole through her.

[Firemane]

Storm has had a power boost since contest.and unless Clor gets his hnads on her she should have no problems with him.