Secret War is not over

[jackolover]

I have just re-read Secret Wars again, to see when Maria Hill appeared. (It was at the end of the last issue, when the President said he liked what she did in Madripoor, whatever that was). Anyway, when we get to the end of the last issue, Nick Fury is telling all the heros what he did about Latveria, and it is here that it gets interesting. He says that an attack was always going to take place on America, even if they took out the Latverian Prime Minister.

In the Secret War, The Prime Minister, Bardas, is crushed under the rubble of the castle that Daisy causes to collapse, but before Bardas is crushed, she says this will not stop what is coming. Even Fury accepts the inevitable will occur.

So how come, the supposedly crushed Bardas, is put back together, and able to soak up the power of the tech villians in the last fight? We still haven't seen the people pulling the strings, who are able to launch such sofisticated attacks on heros on American soil, with impunity.

We still have Shield, now controlled by corrupt elements, which we saw in CW.

We are going to get another war - World War Hulk, next. That makes 3 Wars in a row.

Somewhere, down the line, the Latverian connection, and the corrupt Shield elements, are going to make another attempt at an overthrow of America.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a kind of 'Illuminati' faction, different to the NA:Illuminati. A sort of internal revolution, with no faces.

[Ullar]

silenmt war is before war world hulk so it is 4 ars in a row

[jackolover]

silenmt war is before war world hulk so it is 4 ars in a row

Silent War, Civil War, World War Hulk. What is the 4th?

[Expletive Deleted]

The one in the thread title, I'm guessing.

[Pyro]

That's pretty interesting, actually. So it started with Secret War, then Civil War, Silent War, World War Hulk, and maybe a return to the Secret War after all that. I've been wondering what that plot is about with corrupt SHIELD and Savage Land stuff that was set up earlier in NA.

[jackolover]

The one in the thread title, I'm guessing.

Yeah. There is that 4th War, if it does happen.

[LordEd1976]

In addition to Secret War, Civil War, Silent War, and World War Hulk, Dan Slott has been setting in She-Hulk something that I believe is called the Reckoning War.

[jackolover]

In addition to Secret War, Civil War, Silent War, and World War Hulk, Dan Slott has been setting in She-Hulk something that I believe is called the Reckoning War.

Any clues on the Reckoning War, LordEd? Is it like the Day of the Reckoning, as in Armegeddon? Or is it like a Psy War?

[jackolover]

"In the Secret War, The Prime Minister, Bardas, is crushed under the rubble of the castle that Daisy causes to collapse, but before Bardas is crushed, she says this will not stop what is coming. Even Fury accepts the inevitable will occur.

So how come, the supposedly crushed Bardas, is put back together, and able to soak up the power of the tech villians in the last fight? We still haven't seen the people pulling the strings, who are able to launch such sophisticated attacks on heros on American soil, with impunity".

This goes right back to Latveria, during CW, when Namor started his campaign to apprehend Nitro. Why was Namor in Latveria? And the operators who resurrected Bardas, and supplied all the money to upgrade the Tech villians on American soil, all seems to point to Skrulls. What did Maria Hill do in Mandripoor?

[Kefky]

Um, guys? There isn't anything new about this. The Latveria situation's always been a huge part of Bendis' conspiracy storyline.

[XPac]

Yeah, marvel does seem to enjoy using the term "war." I guess it's the equivalent of DC's usage of the term "crisis."

As for the Secret War thing... though it's easy enough to tie in Secret War with the corrupt SHIELD storyline, I'm not sure Latveria will be a player in that now that Doom is back.

In general, Doom doesn't the type to try to overthrow the US by force in that matter these days... his agendas are usually either personal (involving Reed) or much grander (universal plot devices).

But if nothing else, we say Secret War might be the start of the SHIELD corruption. VIper said that Fury kept SHIELD clean through sheer force of will... so the implication probably is that because Fury was taken out of the picture a lot of thing was able to go down.

[Kefky]

Nah, I'm betting Bendis is tying this in to the Skrull thing. It makes sense for them to want to take over Latveria and provide MU villains with upgraded equipment.

Of course, they missed their chance now that Doom's back.

[jackolover]

Nah, I'm betting Bendis is tying this in to the Skrull thing. It makes sense for them to want to take over Latveria and provide MU villains with upgraded equipment.

Of course, they missed their chance now that Doom's back.

Yeah but look how that has worked out now. SHIELD is in charge in Latveria while Doom cools his heels in a lock-up. Now is there something Skrully going on in Latveria?

[Netley]

jackolover, you are friggin brilliant, man! You started this thread idea in 11-06??? Crazy man, you were obviously really on to something. It's a year and a half later now, and Secret War is looking more and more like a direct prequel to Secret Invasion!

Good. Call.

[jackolover]

I could definately see that Fury was trying to thwart Skrull influence in Latveria, and when he blew up that town, the Skrulls didn't have a hideout anymore. So for the next 12 months, until the response from the Skrulls/Laterian Dictator, the Skrulls had no base to work from, in there.

The Attack on Luke Cage and the rest of the Secret Invaders, was more a revenge, and a prayer, that the Skrulls could liquidate enough heroes with tech based villains. It might have been the first Skrull attack, if Bendis decides to reveal it.

[Ravenheart]

I just read the TPB since it seemed to have ties to the current Secret Invasion storyline.I definitely should have picked this up a long time ago because it was a great story.It will be good to see Fury back though.He was never really one of my favorites but ever since he "disappeared" its been strange not having him just pop up from time to time.

[Weapon Ick]

I could definately see that Fury was trying to thwart Skrull influence in Latveria, and when he blew up that town, the Skrulls didn't have a hideout anymore. So for the next 12 months, until the response from the Skrulls/Laterian Dictator, the Skrulls had no base to work from, in there.


Mighty Avengers #12 seems to indicate that Fury discovered the skrulls after Secret War. But it's still possible he knew something before. If so, it could completely redeem him in everyone's eyes.

[jackolover]

Its also possible that the Spider-Woman in Secret War picture was a retcon rather than a mistake where she was put in instead of Spider Man

As the climax of secret war took place in New York and Spider Woman is based there, it is plausable for her to be involved in that scene even if she wasnt originally included in the series.

It should also be noted that in the Shield Operations database at the back of the Secret War trade there is a phone call transcript placed the day after Secret War in which Contessa Valentina after hearing what has happened asks for a private line to Jessica Drew which becomes suspicious if the Contessa was allready a skrull

If this is true, then Spiderwoman has been a Skrull since Secret War, and so has the Contessa. If this is true, then Fury was maybe aware of Jessicas double identity, as well. But does this imply Fury knew about skrulls in Latveria and that's why he attacked? Or is it simply that Fury could smell a rat hole and couldn't quite identify where the rat was yet?

[Wild Card13]

If this is true, then Spiderwoman has been a Skrull since Secret War, and so has the Contessa. If this is true, then Fury was maybe aware of Jessicas double identity, as well. But does this imply Fury knew about skrulls in Latveria and that's why he attacked? Or is it simply that Fury could smell a rat hole and couldn't quite identify where the rat was yet?

Entirely possible with a man like Fury. Really, though, considering how dodgy everything about Fury is, I wouldn't be surprised if we both end up wrong.

[drakeon]

I dont know about Latveria, but the elements about the Savage Land and Shield....

.....is Secret Invasion!!!

[jackolover]

Going back over the Secret War, here are some gems from the book:

Fury told Valentina Allegro to give Jessica Drew (Spiderwoman) The Brutus Protocol, to use against Sentrys Dark side. Drew passed it on to Vision in Secret Invasion #2, who took out Sentry.

Furys secondary plan, after the Secret War on Latveria failed to stave off an attack on New York, was for Val to initiate a Scorched Earth attack on Latveria with Omega Agents (Hawkeye, Hulk, Punisher, War Machine, Sentry, Spiderwoman, Ms Marvel). But Val never ignited them to clean up those behind Lucia von Bardas' resurrection. Fury knew Val didn't do it, and took out Allegro in MA #14.

It becomes pretty obvious that the US government is supplying the monetary aid to Latveria, and Bardas supplies that cash to Tinkerer to make Tech based villians attack heroes. The US government attacks heroes for the first time. Here, Fury accusses the govenment of being Corporate Shills, much like Cap accuses the government of being Corporate Shills during CW.

If it can be determined that the Unidentified woman was Val, that had sent 2 retired agents along in the plane carrying the Secret War heroes, then there is the connection between the Skrulls and Secret War.