black Costume Theory

[maniacmatt]

I originally posted the following on Newsarama:
"You know how the Iron Spidey costume changes appearance? What if he uses that power to make it look like the symbiote costume, he already did it in #530 of ASM. That way he could keep the waldoes! That probably wouldn't happen, but the black costume with the extra arms could be frickin sick!"
No one responded on Newsarama so I thought I'd see what y'all think 'bout it.

[MaxofSteel]

Yeah that was one of my theories too. It'd be a shame to trash all those nifty gadgets in the Stark suit, just because of a little civil war.:D

If the waldoes were to pop out from the symbiote suit, they'd have to be black though.

[Effect]

I still like the possible idea that it could actually be the Venom suit or part of it so that Venom stays Venom but Peter ends up with just enough of it that he it doesn't try to take control of him.

[maniacmatt]

Yeah that was one of my theories too. It'd be a shame to trash all those nifty gadgets in the Stark suit, just because of a little civil war.:D

If the waldoes were to pop out from the symbiote suit, they'd have to be black though.
Or silver'd be cool too. I like the semi-Venom idea too.

[Joe Acro]

I want the costume to simply be the one Felicia gave him way back when and that he briefly wore after losing his costume during Mackie's run.

He could use the appearance-changing feature of his current costume, but I don't see him keeping said costume. I think Quesada's already said he'll be out of the suit by the end of the year.

[maniacmatt]

Yeah, I'm psyched either way, but personally, I really liked the Iron Spidey costume, especially the extra arms.

[Spider-Man]

The Iron Spidey costume is utter garbage, designed by a man who doesn't draw enough anymore to be designing the look of an iconic character.

Don't get me wrong, I think Quesada is talented. I recently purchased the new DC Superheroes Azrael action figure, not because I ever really loved the character, but because I loved his look, which still holds up over a decade later.

But this Iron Spidey nonsense is crap. A fourth grader could do better.

Spidey

[maniacmatt]

C'mon, you don't think that the black costume with extra arms would be cool?

[Sean Whitmore]

Quesada designed the Iron Spidey costume? I assumed it was Ron Garney.

Anyway, I still think it will be the symbiote. Or at least "symbiotish". Unless anyone thinks it's just a coincidence that he's going back to black as the new movie rolls around.


SEAN

[Crash-Man]

I doubt Spidey'll keep the Iron Spider costume. Tony Stark *has* to have some sort of back-up remote control in it, and even if he doesn't, Peter would remain suspicious.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Quesada designed the Iron Spidey costume? I assumed it was Ron Garney.

Anyway, I still think it will be the symbiote. Or at least "symbiotish". Unless anyone thinks it's just a coincidence that he's going back to black as the new movie rolls around.


SEAN
Well I think it was confirmed this week in New Joe Fridays that it was the symbiote costume. At least by the solicits at the bottom of the page. And I quote: "Peter Parker would love nothing more than to get a good night's sleep, but his sleek, symbiotic suit has plans of its own...and no one is gonna get in its way!" That was under Spider-Man Family #1 and it was hinted at in the Amazing Spider-Man #539 solicit that it was it also.

[Sean Whitmore]

Well I think it was confirmed this week in New Joe Fridays that it was the symbiote costume. At least by the solicits at the bottom of the page. And I quote: "Peter Parker would love nothing more than to get a good night's sleep, but his sleek, symbiotic suit has plans of its own...and no one is gonna get in its way!" That was under Spider-Man Family #1 and it was hinted at in the Amazing Spider-Man #539 solicit that it was it also.

Almost not even a spoiler, it's so painfully obvious. :)


SEAN

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Almost not even a spoiler, it's so painfully obvious. :)


SEAN
Figured I should cover all my bases, just in case. ;)

[MakeshiftHero]

Well I think it was confirmed this week in New Joe Fridays that it was the symbiote costume. At least by the solicits at the bottom of the page. And I quote: "Peter Parker would love nothing more than to get a good night's sleep, but his sleek, symbiotic suit has plans of its own...and no one is gonna get in its way!" That was under Spider-Man Family #1 and it was hinted at in the Amazing Spider-Man #539 solicit that it was it also.
It couldn't be the actual symbiote cause Gargan is using it as of now. Plus it's going to be the costume that Black Cat made for him cause on the preview on Joe Friday for Amazing says:

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #539
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils and Cover by RON GARNEY
“Back in Black,” Part 1
Look what someone found in their closet! Reeling in the aftermath of the Civil War that’s wracked the Marvel Universe, Peter Parker has got plenty of reasons to consider a change of wardrobe. Black is his state of mind. But the worst is yet to come for Spider-Man. Get on board here, True Believer, as we gear up for an event that will forever change the life of your favorite web-slinger. There IS no going back.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

It being the actual living symbiote costume wouldn't make sense.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

It couldn't be the actual symbiote cause Gargan is using it as of now. Plus it's going to be the costume that Black Cat made for him cause on the preview on Joe Friday for Amazing says:

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #539
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils and Cover by RON GARNEY
“Back in Black,” Part 1
Look what someone found in their closet! Reeling in the aftermath of the Civil War that’s wracked the Marvel Universe, Peter Parker has got plenty of reasons to consider a change of wardrobe. Black is his state of mind. But the worst is yet to come for Spider-Man. Get on board here, True Believer, as we gear up for an event that will forever change the life of your favorite web-slinger. There IS no going back.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

It being the actual living symbiote costume wouldn't make sense.
But who's to say something doesn't happen in the new Thunderbolts arc or in CW #5 that makes him lose it? I'm betting that it defenitely is the real symbiote. It makes perfect sense too, Peter will probably extol the alien and Eddie Brock will get it back, just in time for the movie.

[Sean Whitmore]

It couldn't be the actual symbiote cause Gargan is using it as of now.

No reason he couldn't lose it, though. Or they could always trot out another spawn of Venom. They change the rules of the costume at a whim anyway. ;)


Plus it's going to be the costume that Black Cat made for him cause on the preview on Joe Friday for Amazing says:

Look what someone found in their closet! Reeling in the aftermath of the Civil War that’s wracked the Marvel Universe, Peter Parker has got plenty of reasons to consider a change of wardrobe. Black is his state of mind.

That could also very easily be metaphorical.

But we'll see, it could go either way. It's just rare for Marvel to pass up a chance to change the comics to reflect the movies when they can.


SEAN

[Joe Acro]

It makes perfect sense too, Peter will probably extol the alien and Eddie Brock will get it back, just in time for the movie.
The symbiote can bring people back from the dead now?

[MaxofSteel]

Is Eddie dead? I thought he was still in the hospital. Not sure though.

[Joe Acro]

Didn't he die from committing suicide during Millar's MK run?

[Sean Whitmore]

Didn't he die from committing suicide during Millar's MK run?

He tried, but didn't succeed. As of the end of Millar's story, he was alive but "not expected to survive" or something. And in a recent issue of Amazing, Eddie was shown to be alive in a hospital bed, though possibly comatose.


SEAN

[stealthwise]

Things we know:

- The costume Black Cat gave to Spidey was worn again during the beginning of the clone saga, and IIRC, it was shredded during battle.

- Gargan-Venom will be a starring character in the new Thunderbolts series.

- Marvel likes to have the comics line up with the movies for the most part, so Brock being not dead is an indicator that he will likely return.

[Joe Acro]

Things we know:

- The costume Black Cat gave to Spidey was worn again during the beginning of the clone saga, and IIRC, it was shredded during battle.
It has been seen since then. After losing his costume, he had to resort to wearing it. He fought Venom in that issue.

[Cody H]

Things we know:

- The costume Black Cat gave to Spidey was worn again during the beginning of the clone saga, and IIRC, it was shredded during battle.I remember his original costume being shredded during the clone saga and he started wearing the Scarlet Spider costume for awhile, but I don't remember him ever wearing the black costume during the clone saga. I know he did afterwards, though. I think it was a little while after the reboot when Mackie was writing the books.
Edit: Here it is, issue #18 of the reboot:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/cghouse/Venom.jpg

[KradDiher]

There was a black costume in the Clone saga. But only the mask and gloves. The rest was the brown jacket Peter usually fashioned paired with Jeans.

Not sure which Peter was actually wearing it though...

[Sean Whitmore]

There was a black costume in the Clone saga. But only the mask and gloves. The rest was the brown jacket Peter usually fashioned paired with Jeans.

Not sure which Peter was actually wearing it though...

I believe it was the real deal. He had broken out of jail and the remnants of the black costume were all he could find, since Spidercide had taken the proper costume.


SEAN

[Joe Acro]

According to SpiderFan.org, he wore the black costume in only three issue of his mag after he stopped wearing it regularly:

Spider-Man #13-14 and the ASM issue provided above.

[mattx110]

hey, maybe he takes back the symbiote costume because he's the only person that's ever been able to kind of control it. eddie got transformed into a monster, and well, then he got turned into even more of a monster.

i doubt gargan'll keep it under wraps. maybe after being all around sad and angry and decide to take back the symbiote and try to control it to make himself feel useful and punish himself for his actions. lack thereof in civil war.

just a thought.

[Sean Whitmore]

hey, maybe he takes back the symbiote costume because he's the only person that's ever been able to kind of control it. eddie got transformed into a monster, and well, then he got turned into even more of a monster.

I wouldn't be surprised if the symbiote ditched Scorpion as soon as possible. Gargan is as born a loser as a loser can be. He hasn't had an opportunity yet that he hasn't pissed away. :)

So yeah, I could definitely see Peter picking up the alien in between it leaving Scorpion and finding Eddie.


SEAN

[streator]

Quesada designed the Iron Spidey costume? I assumed it was Ron Garney.

Anyway, I still think it will be the symbiote. Or at least "symbiotish". Unless anyone thinks it's just a coincidence that he's going back to black as the new movie rolls around.


SEAN
i believe chris bachalo came up with the iron-spidey look.
quesada mentioned it in a joe fridays a while back.
and about the black costume- i don't think it'll be the symbiote.


edit:

http://www.marvel.com/news/all.67
quesada designed it but was inspired by a bachalo sketch.
"The Iron Spider design- as I like to call it- came to me during a Spider-Man story meeting we were having, we were talking and I was involuntarily sketching on a pad. It's inspired by a sketch that Chris Bachalo did"

[Xanrn]

Its not the Venom symbiote Gargan still has it in Feb solicits for Thunderbolts.

Could be the Toxin Symbiote or maybe like Venom beget Carnage and Carnage beget Toxin, Toxin will beget a new one.

I hope it is a symbiote, it makes Spiderman truly unique.

[Agent Helix]

Its not the Venom symbiote Gargan still has it in Feb solicits for Thunderbolts.

Could be the Toxin Symbiote or maybe like Venom beget Carnage and Carnage beget Toxin, Toxin will beget a new one.

I hope it is a symbiote, it makes Spiderman truly unique.

How does it make him unique if there's eight different symbiotes running around?

[rZi]

So am i right in saying he will go from Iron spider costume straight to the symbiote? does anyone else miss the original costume or is it just me? =(

[PatchMadripoor]

I wish he would use this costume:

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/suits/armor.jpg

That was truer to the Spider-man design and allowed Pete to take more of a beating. Too bad it got fragged.

[mattx110]

i was thinking... the spider armor can take on any appearance he wants it to. but so can the symbiote. so, idk, he can pretend he's wearing one, and wear the other... like, when iron man goes to shut down spidey with his off switch, it's revealed he was using the symbiote costume. that would be some mindblowing stuff.

[Joe Acro]

I wish he would use this costume:

http://www.alaph.com/spiderman/pictures/suits/armor.jpg

That was truer to the Spider-man design and allowed Pete to take more of a beating. Too bad it got fragged.
I'd like to see that used again. It's my favorite Spidey costume.

But I would like a reprieve on costume changes. He needs to be wearing red and blue again. Perhaps he will revert sometime next summer.

[Venom]

Marvel really are treating us to brilliant Spider-Man stories. "Civil War" and in a few months "Back In Black".

[captain_unimpressive]

I'd like to see that used again. It's my favorite Spidey costume.

But I would like a reprieve on costume changes. He needs to be wearing red and blue again. Perhaps he will revert sometime next summer.

Wait, how is strapping disco ball material to yourself practical?

Though that does remind me of the old N64 Spidey game.

[Joe Acro]

Wait, how is strapping disco ball material to yourself practical?

Though that does remind me of the old N64 Spidey game.
What made you associate practicality with my liking the costume?

[Mariah]

Wait, how is strapping disco ball material to yourself practical?

Though that does remind me of the old N64 Spidey game.
It's worked for Dazzler for years.

[Sean Whitmore]

It's worked for Dazzler for years.

That's a matter of opinion. ;)


SEAN

[Mariah]

That's a matter of opinion. ;)


SEAN
So...if a hot girl had a low cut jump suit, with a strategically placed disco ball in between her breasts wouldn't work for you, I don't know what does.I'm questioning Sean's sexuality here:p

[Jettison]

So does this Gargan Venom have a scorpion tail? I read that somewhere...

[Sean Whitmore]

So does this Gargan Venom have a scorpion tail? I read that somewhere...

He certainly does, as seen in the current Beyond mini series.


SEAN

[BooCoo]

I originally posted the following on Newsarama:
"You know how the Iron Spidey costume changes appearance? What if he uses that power to make it look like the symbiote costume, he already did it in #530 of ASM. That way he could keep the waldoes! That probably wouldn't happen, but the black costume with the extra arms could be frickin sick!"
No one responded on Newsarama so I thought I'd see what y'all think 'bout it.


This came up on a couple of other boards. I like the image of the arms with a black suit. The gadgets can go, though...Spidey shouldn't need them anyway, he has new powers to explore in depth.

[metalhead_dave743]

i was thinking... the spider armor can take on any appearance he wants it to. but so can the symbiote. so, idk, he can pretend he's wearing one, and wear the other... like, when iron man goes to shut down spidey with his off switch, it's revealed he was using the symbiote costume. that would be some mindblowing stuff.

I'm liking that idea.

[Judex]

I still like the possible idea that it could actually be the Venom suit or part of it so that Venom stays Venom but Peter ends up with just enough of it that he it doesn't try to take control of him.
Wouldn't Peter be more than a tad reluctant to anything to do with the symbiote given his history with it? Sure, he could risk taking just enough that it doesn't try to control him, but what about his belief in the "old Parker luck"?
Of course now he's a fugitive the symbiote could come in handy if he can use it to change his civillian appearance - I guess the question is if he'd be desperate enough to take the risk.

[RabidWolfe]

Well I think it was confirmed this week in New Joe Fridays that it was the symbiote costume. At least by the solicits at the bottom of the page. And I quote: "Peter Parker would love nothing more than to get a good night's sleep, but his sleek, symbiotic suit has plans of its own...and no one is gonna get in its way!" That was under Spider-Man Family #1 and it was hinted at in the Amazing Spider-Man #539 solicit that it was it also.

I got the impression that that Spider-man family tale was a "flashback" to the times the symbiote would take Pete for midnight spins while he was asleep. I don't think it's a "current" tale. I guess we'll see.

[bjtrdff]

Spider-Man family isn't a direct/current continuity series, it's a flashback series.

Spidey isn't going to have the symbiote suit, he's going to have a black, cloth suit, without a doubt.

Venom is going to be in Thunderbolts, and all of the solits for continuity Spidey have nothing to even remotely imply that the symbiote is back.

No way in hell will Peter bond with the symbiote.

[rZi]

If its not the symbiote...then why go to black anyway? remake his old costume or something. I too find it hard to believe peter would step near the symbiote unless he was in a really bad place mentally..and that could happen with civil war. He should atleast get a new symbiote or something =(