What were some of the continuity problems that brought on Crisis?

[mandog]

What were some of the continuity problems that brought on Infininate(sp)Crisis? Everyone says Crisis happened to fix continuity that was fu(k@d, so what were some of the problems?

[DDM]

Clark Kent works for Perry White at the Daily Star. Perry White is Earth-1. The Daily Star is Earth-2. This was later explained as an alternate Earth-2 separate from Earth-2.

Bruce Wayne became Batman during the 1950's; he also carries a gun. Catwoman is a murderer as well as a burglar.

Wonder Girl is meant to be the younger version of Earth-1's Wonder Woman, but an editor got the concept confused when he placed Wonder Girl in The Teen Titans along the present Justice League of America Earth-1 Wonder Woman.

Earth-X is a reality where World War II is still raging in present day. However, the Freedom Fighters were from Earth-2, but moved to Earth-X at some point.

Black Canary I is from Earth-1, yet the younger Black Canary II is from Earth-2 who moved to Earth-1; she eventually joined the JLA.

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DC ened up creating a few too many near identical Earths and it confused a lot of Marvel Zombies, which were the dominant species of fanboy at the time and used to all the various heroes living in the same city, instead of across dozens of slightly different alternate Earths, each with its own history.

[glennsim]

Are you asking what caused Infinite Crisis or Crisis on Infinite Earths?

To over-simplify:

Crisis on Infinite Earths - DC believed that new potential DC fans were confused by the multiple Earths.

Infinite Crisis - DC believed that new potential DC fans were confused by multiple histories (pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, pre-Zero Hour, post-Zero Hour, different writers just flat-out doing different things, etc.) so they created a "reboot" where the only thing that is definite is the new stuff that gets published.

And in both cases, they did it to make money, of course.

[Buried Alien]

Crisis on Infinite Earths - DC believed that new potential DC fans were confused by the multiple Earths.

Which is weird, because when I first discovered it in the early 1980s as an eight-year old, I got it in about ten seconds.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[3D Master]

Which is weird, because when I first discovered it in the early 1980s as an eight-year old, I got it in about ten seconds.


More like they were confused about it themselves. Earth-1 Batman mentioned things happening to him that happened to Earth-2's Batman, etc. Long time fans pointed it out. New fans got completely confused when this was pointed out; to which one did it happen, damn it, did it happen to both now? And the wrtiers went: "Ah, man, this is too confusing, let's just destroy everything and construct one Earth, with one history and be done with it."

[herozero]

More like they were confused about it themselves. Earth-1 Batman mentioned things happening to him that happened to Earth-2's Batman, etc. Long time fans pointed it out. New fans got completely confused when this was pointed out; to which one did it happen, damn it, did it happen to both now? And the wrtiers went: "Ah, man, this is too confusing, let's just destroy everything and construct one Earth, with one history and be done with it."

I think the fans and the creators both had a hand in making it all more complicated than it really was. Now I wasn't reading comics prior to CoIE (I was 4 when it happened), but I've alwasy dug the idea of multiple earths. If for no other reason than it allows the Justice League to blow up the moon without the Justice Society having to deal with those repurcusions. I like the shared universe too, but sometimes it can be more convoluted than the alternative...Shadowpact in 52?

[soda]

you guys remember the old credo about Marvel and DC? That you started on DC comics when you were a kid, but that at some point, you graduated to marvel when you realized the world was a lot more complex. I think of this as being more of a bell curve type thing, there also comes a point, where DC's hideous continuty tangles actually make it more interesting than marvel. DC comics, the rubik's cube for a new generation.

[DDM]

you guys remember the old credo about Marvel and DC? That you started on DC comics when you were a kid, but that at some point, you graduated to marvel when you realized the world was a lot more complex. I think of this as being more of a bell curve type thing, there also comes a point, where DC's hideous continuty tangles actually make it more interesting than marvel. DC comics, the rubik's cube for a new generation.

DC's continuity goes back to the 1930's; whereas, Marvel, although it has been around about the same time as Timely, it begun in the 1960's with Fantastic Four #1. DC aquired smaller comic book companies such as Fawcett (Captain Marvel characters), Charlton (Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Nightshade, etc al), & other numerous companies in various times. As a result, each aquired company became a new alternate Earth.

DC's continuity is just about as dense as Marvel's, but each company is inherently different. What set Marvel from DC is the heroes are more realistic with down-to-Earth problems & different characters ran into each other in their respective books. For instance, Spider-Man helps the Fantastic Four on his way to a date. The continuity between books made Marvel unique. Now, Marvel has chosen to move away from its origins & will, in time, pay a price for the comatose editors & loose to nonexistent continuity.

DC's continuity became dense simply because it's been around since the 1930's. Compound this with the various alternate Earths & you have a Gordian Knot of epic proportions! The earlier 1930's adventures became Earth-2; the modern day adventures--begun in the 1960's by Gardner Fox--became Earth-1...

[Buried Alien]

you guys remember the old credo about Marvel and DC? That you started on DC comics when you were a kid, but that at some point, you graduated to marvel when you realized the world was a lot more complex. I think of this as being more of a bell curve type thing, there also comes a point, where DC's hideous continuty tangles actually make it more interesting than marvel. DC comics, the rubik's cube for a new generation.

It's kind of funny: I started with Marvel and drifted over to DC gradually...ironically because I discovered that DC's long legacy of cultural icons was richer and more compelling than Marvel's "Mutant of the Month" books beginning with the 1980s.

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[BYC]

I used to be more of a Marvel fan myself, but I just could no longer stand the emo/goth/dark teen drama that Marvel always seems to have in spades. Obviously both universes have their emo/goth/dark types, but I'm more interested in DC nowadays.

I feel like Marvel has better ideas, but the execution of those ideas have been very sloppy (ie Civil War). DC seems to be better at epic stories, which I am currently more interested in. I feel that comics is a hobby and a release, so I want more of a epic save the world feel, as opposed to the more realistic/everyday issues of the Marvel universe.

And I also feel both universe have their image, and that people think of that image first, even if it's no longer the case (ie Marvel is more real, DC is more epic).

[Gozwald73]

Are you asking what caused Infinite Crisis or Crisis on Infinite Earths?

To over-simplify:

Crisis on Infinite Earths - DC believed that new potential DC fans were confused by the multiple Earths.

Infinite Crisis - DC believed that new potential DC fans were confused by multiple histories (pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, pre-Zero Hour, post-Zero Hour, different writers just flat-out doing different things, etc.) so they created a "reboot" where the only thing that is definite is the new stuff that gets published.

And in both cases, they did it to make money, of course.

ya I hated the concept of Multiple Earths. Too confusing - who wants to remember which version of who did what where? COIE was the best thing that ever happened to the DCU, am not happy about reverting back to convoluted multiple "continuity".

:mad:

[Rockscissorspaper]

am not happy about reverting back to convoluted multiple "continuity".

:mad:

It's still all one earth...

[Bored at 3:00AM]

It's still all one earth...

For the moment....

*que ominous music*

[Guts/Batman]

It's still all one earth...

As long as the link between DCU and WSU got severed when WSU rebooted...;)

[Alan2099]

It's still all one earth...
It's still all one earth on Earth All-One-Earth, but on earths that are different earths it's not all one earth, except for when they visit the one where it is, which doesn't make sense bcause they'd be from a different earth anyway.