Should they do an Ultimate Cap story that is set in WWII?

[The Master Meglomaniac]

In the 616 universe Captain America would have entire stories set in WWII as a flashback. Should Ultimate Cap have flashback story set entirely in WWII? I think it would be a good idea, we have only seen Ultimate Cap fighting in WWII a few times (Cap defusing that nuke is one of the best scenes in the ultimate Universe.)

There are many 616 Nazi villains that Cap has faced, but I would like to see Cap face off against an Ultimate version of Heinrich Zemo (who would be a general instead of a baron and would wear an SS uniform instead of a hood and a spandex costume with tiger fur.) I think he would work best, the other nazi villains from the 616 universe: Arnim Zola was already used, I am not sure I want the Ultimate version of the Red Skull to be a Nazi (too similar to the 616 uversion) and Baron Blood is too outlandish.

Ultimate Heinrich Zemo would be the most realistic of the choices, he wouldn't be a super villain with a code name or super powers, he would just be an SS officer, with large platoon of SS soldiers and a briliant tactical mind. Besides in the 616 universe Heinrich Zemo was the villain who did the most damage to Cap, having killed Bucky, which is far more than the Red Skull has ever done. Also Heinrich Zemo's history with Cap would lead to some interesting tension if meets Ultimate Helmut Zemo in the present (who would be Heinrich Zemo's grandson.)

[Mister Mets]

I'd want to see an Ultimate Captain America mini series, preferably by Mark Millar & a talented artist (Hitch, McNiven, Ryan Sook, Davis, etc) and it'd be cool if there were significant sequences set in the past. We've yet to see pre-Captain America Ultimate Steve Rogers, and it'd be cool to see him fighting World War 2 supervillains.

Red Skull should remain a nazi because that's a core part of the character.

One difficult part of the story would be establishing that these are flashback stories that can't occur in the normal 616 universe, while also establishing that these are core versions of characters we may be familiar with.

However, I believe a significant part of the story should also be set in the "present" day. Most of the great 616 Captain America stories aren't set during the World War 2 days, and this adds more relevance to the World War 2 sections especially if there's some plot point that would link the two stories (ie- a terrorist organization plotting to resurrect the Red Skull.)

I also think the story should be the length of an Ultimates hardcover, and have a similar sense of scale, although Captain America would be a more obvious protagonist, and the other Ultimates would have a smaller role.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

I'd want to see an Ultimate Captain America mini series, preferably by Mark Millar & a talented artist (Hitch, McNiven, Ryan Sook, Davis, etc) and it'd be cool if there were significant sequences set in the past. We've yet to see pre-Captain America Ultimate Steve Rogers, and it'd be cool to see him fighting World War 2 supervillains.

Red Skull should remain a nazi because that's a core part of the character.

One difficult part of the story would be establishing that these are flashback stories that can't occur in the normal 616 universe, while also establishing that these are core versions of characters we may be familiar with.

However, I believe a significant part of the story should also be set in the "present" day. Most of the great 616 Captain America stories aren't set during the World War 2 days, and this adds more relevance to the World War 2 sections especially if there's some plot point that would link the two stories (ie- a terrorist organization plotting to resurrect the Red Skull.)

I also think the story should be the length of an Ultimates hardcover, and have a similar sense of scale, although Captain America would be a more obvious protagonist, and the other Ultimates would have a smaller role.

That seems kinda of rehash of the 616 Red Skull. 616 Red Skull was Nazi who came back in modern times to start a terrorist group, how is that not a rehash? What's different? Plus Nazism is kinda dated. Besides in the 616 universe, Heinrich Zemo hurt Captain America far worse than Red Skull ever did. Who killed Bucky? Heinrich Zemo. Who trapped Cap in ice for several decades? Heinrich Zemo. What the heck has Red Skull done to Cap?

Besides Cap battling against Heinrich Zemo in the past can connect with the present when Cap meets Heinrich Zemo's grandson Ultimate Helmut Zemo.

Now see Ultimate Heinrich Zemo would have an affected on the present, I think the story should be Cap and his troops find Heinrich Zemo and his SS Waffen troops commiting brutal war crimes and Cap and his platoon kill Zemo and his troops (a lot of Allied troops killed SS officers when they were found committing war crimes.) So when Cap meets Helmut Zemo (he may not even be a villain) Cap instantly dislikes him, because he forces Cap to confront his feelings over Hienrich Zemo.

[The Foreigner]

I'd want to see an Ultimate Captain America mini series, preferably by Mark Millar & a talented artist (Hitch, McNiven, Ryan Sook, Davis, etc) and it'd be cool if there were significant sequences set in the past. We've yet to see pre-Captain America Ultimate Steve Rogers, and it'd be cool to see him fighting World War 2 supervillains.

Red Skull should remain a nazi because that's a core part of the character.

One difficult part of the story would be establishing that these are flashback stories that can't occur in the normal 616 universe, while also establishing that these are core versions of characters we may be familiar with.

However, I believe a significant part of the story should also be set in the "present" day. Most of the great 616 Captain America stories aren't set during the World War 2 days, and this adds more relevance to the World War 2 sections especially if there's some plot point that would link the two stories (ie- a terrorist organization plotting to resurrect the Red Skull.)

I also think the story should be the length of an Ultimates hardcover, and have a similar sense of scale, although Captain America would be a more obvious protagonist, and the other Ultimates would have a smaller role.

We already got Nazi-nemesis-from-the-past with Kleiser, and the opposing-world-views-arch-enemy with Al-Rahman.

If another Ultimate Red Skull is rolled out, he'd better be something really original.

[Kara Zor El]

I could read tonnes of Cap A Head stories set in WWII. The action could be fantastic. Having Cap, foil plot after plot would be great. Hope they do a few minis.

[Cayman]

Yes, I'd like to see that.

It'd be cool to see some Ultimate versions of WWII characters, perhaps Human Torch or Destroyer.

[Mister Mets]

Bump, because Millar expressed a desire to work with Howard Chaykin, who would probably work well on this type of book.
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That seems kinda of rehash of the 616 Red Skull. 616 Red Skull was Nazi who came back in modern times to start a terrorist group, how is that not a rehash? What's different? Plus Nazism is kinda dated. Besides in the 616 universe, Heinrich Zemo hurt Captain America far worse than Red Skull ever did. Who killed Bucky? Heinrich Zemo. Who trapped Cap in ice for several decades? Heinrich Zemo. What the heck has Red Skull done to Cap?

Besides Cap battling against Heinrich Zemo in the past can connect with the present when Cap meets Heinrich Zemo's grandson Ultimate Helmut Zemo.

Now see Ultimate Heinrich Zemo would have an affected on the present, I think the story should be Cap and his troops find Heinrich Zemo and his SS Waffen troops commiting brutal war crimes and Cap and his platoon kill Zemo and his troops (a lot of Allied troops killed SS officers when they were found committing war crimes.) So when Cap meets Helmut Zemo (he may not even be a villain) Cap instantly dislikes him, because he forces Cap to confront his feelings over Hienrich Zemo.
The Ultimate books are about getting to the core of the character and Nazi resurrected in the present has been at the core of Red Skull's character for decades. He has different goals than Kleiser, who wasn't a real Nazi.

I think there's also potential for a story in which a newly resurrected Red Skull meets with Neo-Nazis (something that didn't really happen in the Lee/ Kirby run.)

Incidentally, Zemo was working under Red Skull's orders when he killed Bucky in the MU.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I like that idea of Cap having his own Ultimate mini. I also agree that Millar should write, and I would like LAND to draw it.:D