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IamtheRock3
10-29-2006, 08:01 AM
think she got some Buzz now

I personly like the charcter.

Would she work as a comic

Yea she powerfull..no more then Strange or Fate though. Less actully

Thnikkaman
10-29-2006, 08:07 AM
Why is it NOBODY can spell "Zatanna"? In EVERY review of "Justice League Heroes" I've seen, she's "Zantanna".

It's "Zuriel" all over again.

Hush Little Batman
10-29-2006, 08:21 AM
Zatanna (:D ) could definitely work as a solo series, but like all characters, she'd need the right creative team.

Nintendite
10-29-2006, 08:31 AM
Zatanna (:D ) could definitely work as a solo series, but like all characters, she'd need the right creative team.

Yeah, and some pretty powerful villains too, since she can defeat most everybody by speaking backwards (see: Crisis of Conscience, where she defeats Despero with one punch while yelling "POTS!".)

Effect
10-29-2006, 08:36 AM
For a few months until sales start to drop off and then she's canceled. I think any character can work for a series with a finite ending goal. It's that ongoing series where you end up with a problem with trying to come up with things to keep things going. With a year long mini or perhaps just a mini-series format released once a year or someting like that, the writer can properly plan a story and present it in such a way to keep readers attentions and so you don't end up with that massive drop offs you get with first time solo title characters.

spacy
10-29-2006, 08:37 AM
would like to see her too in her own book. It's really an interesting character imho.

Nintendite
10-29-2006, 08:43 AM
Wait, now that I think about it, isn't Paul Dini (who wrote both Zatanna episodes of the DCAU IFRC) writing a Zatanna/Black Canary graphic novel (which no doubt will set a record for fishnets per page)?

DonC
10-29-2006, 09:06 AM
Wait, now that I think about it, isn't Paul Dini (who wrote both Zatanna episodes of the DCAU IFRC) writing a Zatanna/Black Canary graphic novel (which no doubt will set a record for fishnets per page)?

He's supposed to be. Haven't heard much about it recently, though.

Personally speaking, I'd like to see a Zatanna Vertigo series. Have her fight supernatural foes instead of super villains.

Indigo Al
10-29-2006, 09:29 AM
If a good writer took his cue from the Seven Soldiers mini, he or she could find a fantastic and creative way to make Zatanna an ongoing monthly. Hopefully without mentioning that she and COnstantine used to be sexy fuck buddies every third panel.

Tobias March
10-29-2006, 12:06 PM
Yeah, and some pretty powerful villains too, since she can defeat most everybody by speaking backwards (see: Crisis of Conscience, where she defeats Despero with one punch while yelling "POTS!".)

Which is probably why Grant Morrison blocked her powers for his mini. She's a great character - Paul Dini is definitely someone who loves her to bits, so I'm happy to hear he may be doing an original trade about her.

Eliseu Gouveia
10-29-2006, 12:49 PM
It all boils down to the creative team.

It´s what turns me off from many DC comics, actually.

I&#180;m sure they must have amazing stories but what&#180;s the use of a good story when the art...........>insert comment here<..............?

Babylon23
10-29-2006, 07:20 PM
I love Zatanna, and I'd love to see her in an ongoing, but as everybody has already said, it would really depend on the creative team. They've certainly given her plenty of the spotlight in recent times, which is good. Maybe they could start with another miniseries, and see how sales go from there.

titanfan
10-29-2006, 07:46 PM
Yeah, and some pretty powerful villains too, since she can defeat most everybody by speaking backwards (see: Crisis of Conscience, where she defeats Despero with one punch while yelling "POTS!".)

For every time she's easily stopped someone powerful, she's been taken out by a 2nd or 3rd rate villain in one panel by someone muzzling her, hitting her with a kidney punch, sneaking up and hitting her on the head, etc. It all balances out.

Haven't her minis in the past sold pretty well? I definitely think it could work.

MWGallaher
10-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Why is it NOBODY can spell "Zatanna"? In EVERY review of "Justice League Heroes" I've seen, she's "Zantanna".

It's "Zuriel" all over again.
And ask 'em who the Elongated Man, is, too...
It's called "metathesis", and I'd bet you've got some in your head, too; words that you've never heard pronounced, that you've internalized incorrectly, despite having seen them spelled correctly many times. It's a human thing.
In the comics world, in addition to "Zantana" and "Ralph Dinbey", I've known people that thought it was "Mangus, Robot Fighter", and one guy who proclaimed that DC's (wretched) ETC miniseries was supposed to be referred to as "E Tee See", rather than "et cetera", because "et cetera" was spelled "ect".

Eliseu Gouveia
10-30-2006, 06:52 AM
Yeah, Iīve only found oout it was "Apokolips" a couple weeks ago.

Funny thing is I distinctivelly recall checking twice to see if I had understood the word well the first time I saw it (some 20 years ago) and registering the word as "Apokolis" then.

marshal99
10-30-2006, 08:22 AM
For every time she's easily stopped someone powerful, she's been taken out by a 2nd or 3rd rate villain in one panel by someone muzzling her, hitting her with a kidney punch, sneaking up and hitting her on the head, etc. It all balances out.

Haven't her minis in the past sold pretty well? I definitely think it could work.

The thing is , Zatanna has never been seen as that powerful. When she first started in the satellite era JLA , she was seen as a magical big gun but she drained her magical reserves not too long after and reduced to doing only rudimentary spells. Even at her most powerful , she was always a league below Dr. Fate.
Identity Crisis seemed to have push her into a walking plot device , she shows up , say a few reverse words and voila , problem solved.
I don't think her character is quite strong enough to be able to hold an ongoing book though.

captain_unimpressive
10-30-2006, 03:26 PM
I'd like to see a more in-depth look into Zatanna's personality, as she could be a much more interesting character than her pappy Zatara (who's been in quite a bit recently) or even Dr. Fate, in the right hands.
And I hope that her appearance in Trials of Shazam was more than a cameo.
DDUJ KCINIW, EKAM REH A GNITROPPUS RETHCARAHC!

gyrich.
10-30-2006, 09:13 PM
She was a very interesting character at her highest power levels. I would only pick her title up on 1 condition. The backwards spells are pretty lame and need to go - in this the 10th age of magic.

IamtheRock3
10-30-2006, 09:17 PM
well the backward stuff her thing

just shows the limits

for instance she can say "POTS" all she wanted to specter..shouldnt do Jack $$% to anyone at very high levels

but she can play with high level guys sometime by being CREATIVE with her powers, making portal, growing big, growing small and crawling into people, giving her self strengh, bring statues to life making them attack, creating rabbit out of her hat, giant KILLER RABBITS, stuff like that

marshal99
10-30-2006, 09:31 PM
but she can play with high level guys sometime by being CREATIVE with her powers, making portal, growing big, growing small and crawling into people, giving her self strengh, bring statues to life making them attack, creating rabbit out of her hat, giant KILLER RABBITS, stuff like that

Creating rabbits and doves out of her hat is part of her magic act , since she does stage performance but the rest ? Has she ever done those ? Growing big , growing small , giving herself strength , bringing statues to life , all that ?

Gozwald73
10-30-2006, 09:47 PM
She was a very interesting character at her highest power levels. I would only pick her title up on 1 condition. The backwards spells are pretty lame and need to go - in this the 10th age of magic.

The motion is seconded. I have always been torn between my love for the charater, and an intense dislike of the backwards incantations. It just feels so lame - never quite delivers the impact.

marshal99
10-30-2006, 09:53 PM
She probably wouldn't even be here if her father , Zatara had not sacrifice himself to take the fatal blow meant for her in the Swamp Thing darkness saga. ;)

Eliseu Gouveia
10-30-2006, 10:42 PM
Thatīs what parents do.

marshal99
10-31-2006, 03:02 AM
Thatīs what parents do.

True , but noted that she was also one of the weaker links in that earth bound sorcerers circle to have been affected by the psychic backlash. Sargon the sorcerer died , Zatara died in place of her daughter and Mento of the doom patrol went insane. Baron Winters , Hellblazer John Constatine and Dr. Occult were not affected.

Agentum
10-31-2006, 03:11 AM
No i don't think she could have her own book.
Maybe a teambook with other mystic characters could work.

IamtheRock3
10-31-2006, 04:36 AM
Creating rabbits and doves out of her hat is part of her magic act , since she does stage performance but the rest ? Has she ever done those ? Growing big , growing small , giving herself strength , bringing statues to life , all that ?


Nope just examples of wild things she could pull

no reason why she couldnt

She did stick her hand into a hat and pull out an Audeince member. They saw a Giant Hand appear in the audience, She pulled the audience member through the hat where the person was small

so she can do out there stuff

Kara Zor El
10-31-2006, 04:58 AM
think she got some Buzz now

I personly like the charcter.

Would she work as a comic

Yea she powerfull..no more then Strange or Fate though. Less actully

If you used the right magic spell it could.

Indigo Al
10-31-2006, 05:19 AM
The motion is seconded. I have always been torn between my love for the charater, and an intense dislike of the backwards incantations. It just feels so lame - never quite delivers the impact.

I disagree. The backwards incantations are great. They are what make her a unique character. I certainly don't want to see her become a generic sorceress type.

It doesn't make her omnipotent. Magic depends on will, energy, imagination, concentration - hers aren't infinite.

They tried to do away with the backwards spelling in the Zatanna:Come Together miniseries back in 1993. Besides the art, the mini sucked - and the change they tried to implement didn't stick.

Think about how much magic depends on language and symbols. Also consider what a talented writer could do in terms of wordplay and visual imagery, to set her up in new and different situations. It's got to be more fun and interesting than writing Dr. Fate...


I'd like to see a more in-depth look into Zatanna's personality, as she could be a much more interesting character than her pappy Zatara (who's been in quite a bit recently) or even Dr. Fate, in the right hands.
And I hope that her appearance in Trials of Shazam was more than a cameo.
DDUJ KCINIW, EKAM REH A GNITROPPUS RETHCARAHC!

What else besides Zee's 7 Soldiers mini has he been in recently?


True , but noted that she was also one of the weaker links in that earth bound sorcerers circle to have been affected by the psychic backlash. Sargon the sorcerer died , Zatara died in place of her daughter and Mento of the doom patrol went insane. Baron Winters , Hellblazer John Constatine and Dr. Occult were not affected.

"Weak link" in that situation doesn't necessarily mean she was weakest in power. Remember Mento was complaining that she and Dr. Occult, were too powerful and were going to burn out his mind? Perhaps it was the Darkness's way of taking Zatara out, or perhaps she was an emotional weak link - that seance was way too complex.

Eliseu Gouveia
10-31-2006, 07:25 AM
True , but noted that she was also one of the weaker links in that earth bound sorcerers circle to have been affected by the psychic backlash. Sargon the sorcerer died , Zatara died in place of her daughter and Mento of the doom patrol went insane. Baron Winters , Hellblazer John Constatine and Dr. Occult were not affected.

Level of power has nothing to do with a characterīs potential, Batman is the weakest cape at the Watchtower and yet any book with him on the cover sells like hot cookies.

captain_unimpressive
10-31-2006, 01:57 PM
I disagree. The backwards incantations are great. They are what make her a unique character. I certainly don't want to see her become a generic sorceress type.

Agreed. That and the "stage magician" thing give her her own spin, like CM's "Shazam"... hey, another Marvel connection. I wonder if she's been in anything with Kevin Bacon.




What else besides Zee's 7 Soldiers mini has he been in recently?

In you mean Winick, he's writing Trials of Shazam. If you mean Fate, he's sorta in 52 and in JSA. But don't pick up the second one, it's rather terrible.

Apathy Boy
11-01-2006, 11:59 PM
Zatanna's a great character. I'd love to see her in her own title, as long as it wasn't a conventional superhero punch-'em-out book. Not because she's too powerful (powerful characters are fantastic for those of us who like to see writers use their imagination, folks). But because her backwards-talking thing would drive me slowly insane, much like the Demon's rhyming. I don't think you can get rid of it entirely, though, because it's too engrained in Zatanna's schtick.

So ideally, I'd like to see Zatanna's title have more of a romantic comedy vibe to it, with the odd fight thrown in. Sort of like Paul Dini's ZATANNA: EVERYDAY MAGIC one-shot or the SCOTT PILGRIM series.