Who is the cheapest character in a fighting game?

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Including bosses. For me, Cable.

EDIT: MUGEN is not allowed because characters like Marvin the Martian, Dragon Claw and Omega Tiger Woods.

[Young Avenger]

Eddie/Christine (Tekken)
Maxi (Soul Calibur)
Rolento (Street Fighter Alpha)

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Cable
Gato in KOFXI
Duo Long in KOF03
Goro Daimon in many cases
Jin Kazama in Tekken 4
Jann Lee
Any improved version of Sol Badguy
Shin Akuma
Sagat

This is the tip of the iceberg.

[Young Avenger]

Just thought of more

Geese Howard (KoF 02)
Kula Diamond (KoF: MI2)
Chizuru (KoF 03)
Vega (Street Fighter)
Bloodriot Iori

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Night Terror (SC3)
Goenitz (KOF)
Goro (MK)
Gill (SF3)
Alpha-173 (DOA4)

[Count Vertigo]

Those weird god-like fellows in Street Fighter 3. Dio and Neo-Geegus in World Heroes. Geese Howard in Art of Fighting 2, Geese, Krauser and Mr. Big in King of Fighters, Orochi in King of Fighters

[Erebus]

Goro (MK)
Jinpachi (Tekken)
Mike Tyson (Mike Tyson Punch OUt)

[The Fury]

Eddie/Christine (Tekken)

Agree with this.

I'll add Steve Fox, for people who like to keep bashing buttons.


Jin Kazama in Tekken 4

This i do not get. :confused:

[Kid Kamikaze10]

This i do not get. :confused:

Jin in Tekken 4 was one of the most broken Tekken characters in the series' history. If you check out most of the T4 tournaments you will notice that Jin would always be either in the finals, or semi-finals.

To quote someone from tekkenzaibatsu.com



Why is Jin called cheap?

Actually it's: Why are Jin-players called cheap?

Well, I woudn't say that he's cheap, just like that. The thing is, he's got some very easy, VERY good moves that are easily abused. He doesn't have to be cheap. It depends on the way you play him. There are many cheap players out there, but also some who play him differently and not the cheesy way. Respect to those.

This is the three main reasons why he's considered cheap:

1) b,f+2,1,d+2* / jfls --> Guaranteed on counter hit, juggles, one of the best tracking moves in the game, pretty fast, the just frame is unblockable, can only be sidestepped to the right, safe on block, high damage.......etc, etc, etc,......<---This move is just crazy.

2) 2,1 --> Very fast, second hit guaranteed if the first hits. Very good for set-up's.

3) b+2+4 / Parry --> VERY good, parries mid and high. It takes only 2 frames to do and it's open for 20 frames. The best (worst?!) thing about his parry is that it's gives Jin some ridiculously big frame advantages.


I'm a Jin-player myself and I admit that Jin is easily played cheap, and when he is, he's close to be unstopable. The three moves I mentioned above are abused alot, by many Jin-players.
In many tournies, it's all about jfls's, which is very boring to watch. Therefore only REALLY good Jin players are "respected" and gets credit.

They need to have a different, special Jin like MDJ's or JinKid's.

[Xero Kaiser]

Some of these characters being listed are confusing the hell out of me. Jann Lee, Vega, Steve Fox? Well, whatever. The gold characters in GGX2 were cheap as hell but they were supposed to be, so I'm not sure that's even worth mentioning. SvC: Chaos had broken characters all over the place

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Some of these characters being listed are confusing the hell out of me. Jann Lee, Vega, Steve Fox? Well, whatever. The gold characters in GGX2 were cheap as hell but they were supposed to be, so I'm not sure that's even worth mentioning. SvC: Chaos had broken characters all over the place


Jann Lee - Even noobs and button-mashers can be good with this guy. Seriously, I feel like using Jann Lee decreases the difficulty by two levels. When using other characters, sometimes the AI is pretty tough, but when using Jann, they're punching bags.

Vega - I have clue about this one. Maybe he's talking about SvC: Chaos?

Steve Fox - Between him and Nina, they are the most broken characters in Tekken 5.

I would also like to add Kung Lao and the "monster" characters in Mortal Kombat Armageddon, especially Onaga and Blaze.

[The Fury]

Jin in Tekken 4 was one of the most broken Tekken characters in the series' history. If you check out most of the T4 tournaments you will notice that Jin would always be either in the finals, or semi-finals.

To quote someone from tekkenzaibatsu.com
Hmm, okay...first What do you mean by 'broken'?

But I can see it, but I am a Jin user from both 4 and 5. the moves mentioned above I do not use much (if I am translating them right...1 being left punch, 2 being right....yeah?)

But any character can have such moves. from Tekken 2-4 ( and maybe 5, never tested enough) both Kazuya and Heihatchi (Jin in Tekken 3) thei main punch combos (the ones with lp, lp, rp or lp, rp, rp) were garenteed to hit the second and thirds parts of this attack as long as the first hit.

All characters have moves that people can exploit.

BTW, ddoes this website know where Tekken tournements are held in the UK?

[Captain Murphy]

Jinpachi *Tekken 5*, fireball is way cheap
Abyss *Soul Calibur 3*, On hard or higher is is cheap as hell and just uses long rang powefull attacks and annoying combos.
Night Terror *Soul Calibur 3* same as Abyss but even cheaper, the lazer attack is way powerfull
Zangeif *Marvel vs Capcom 2* the powerbomb move is way overpowerd

[Kid Kamikaze10]

BTW, ddoes this website know where Tekken tournements are held in the UK?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they would.

[The Fury]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they would.
Cool. *goes to look*

I really need to play som human opponants that are good.

*returns*

Hmm, could not find anything. All about the USA.

[Jabuka]

jinpachi,mike tyson,heavies form armeggadon seriousely some of those heavies arent hurt by almost any specials.

[Erebus]

I think I read somewhere that the creators of Tekken were trying to compensate for Steve Fox's lack of kicking by making his attacks slightly more powerful. Unforetunately, they went a little bit overboard. I myself don't consider Steve to be cheap. He's like middle-high tier.

[The Fury]

I think I read somewhere that the creators of Tekken were trying to compensate for Steve Fox's lack of kicking by making his attacks slightly more powerful. Unforetunately, they went a little bit overboard. I myself don't consider Steve to be cheap. He's like middle-high tier.
What I find cheap about him is that he is quick, real quick.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

What I find cheap about him is that he is quick, real quick.

I have strategies against Steve and someone pretty similar to him (if you think about it), Hwoarang, when using my best characters (Craig, Hwoarang, Jin, and Asuka).

1) When using Hwoarang against Steve, I keep him at bay with kicks. Simple, though I do a variety of moves to make sure he doesn't dodge and counter. When against another Hwoarang...... I aim low most of the time. Alot of Hwo's moves are mid or high, so lows aren't expected.

2) When using Craig against anyone, I keep them away and tackle them. Or throw them into a mount position (ie: Northern Lights Suplex into mounting position). That's my normal strategy, but when against these two, who clearly focus on either kicks or punches, I do the correct counter-into-mount.

3) When using Jin against them....... Well, all I do is either kill them, or parry and then kill them.

4) When using Asuka against them, I grab their attacks, and aim low.

Asuka works best for me against these two. And for some reason, my twin uses Paul against practically everyone.

[Young Avenger]

Some of these characters being listed are confusing the hell out of me. Jann Lee, Vega, Steve Fox? Well, whatever. The gold characters in GGX2 were cheap as hell but they were supposed to be, so I'm not sure that's even worth mentioning. SvC: Chaos had broken characters all over the place

Vega is similar to Jin in Tekken 4. He isn't really a cheap character but his moves can be abused. A friend of mine knows can get cheap with Vega in Capcom vs SNK.

[Serik]

Spider-Man from that one arcade game featuring the Infinity Gauntlet

[The Fury]

Asuka works best for me against these two. And for some reason, my twin uses Paul against practically everyone.
I can handle Steve and Hworang...although Beak ain't easy. the way he swtiches from high to low quickly can be annoying.

Steve, I found is hard to block or dodge. Ducking is hard as some of his punches are mid. Dodging is fine but again some of the combos feature punches that can hit you even when dodging. I find the best way to stop him from doing a string of attacks is to as he moves in, to a quick low kick, stops him and gives to time to perform a move.

I mainly use Jin (and devil jin when needed) Bryan and Lei. Lei is great against steve.

[Demon King Psycho]

Akamaru in the Naruto: Clash of Ninja series is pretty cheap.

In Bloody Roar: Primal Fury, with Infinite Hypermode on, that Phoenix guy is INCREADIBLY cheap. He even has a third super. Noone else has a third super! Not even Uranus!

[Xero Kaiser]

Jann Lee - Even noobs and button-mashers can be good with this guy. Seriously, I feel like using Jann Lee decreases the difficulty by two levels. When using other characters, sometimes the AI is pretty tough, but when using Jann, they're punching bags.

Well, I don't know about AI. Against humans Jann Lee seems pretty weak, since he's such a basic, straightfoward character, he's pretty easy to counter. And most of his moves aren't that strong

Vega is similar to Jin in Tekken 4. He isn't really a cheap character but his moves can be abused. A friend of mine knows can get cheap with Vega in Capcom vs SNK.

How can you abuse Vega's moves? He's a charge character, you couldn't spam his specials if you wanted to. 0_o

yeah, I'm nosy.

In Bloody Roar: Primal Fury, with Infinite Hypermode on, that Phoenix guy is INCREADIBLY cheap. He even has a third super. Noone else has a third super! Not even Uranus!

LOL. Now that guy was broken as hell. I spent about 30 minutes in practice mode with him and figured out an inescapable 100% combo. Wish I could remember what it was exactly.

Hypermode in general screwed that game up and pretty much defeated the purpose of even having to build up a meter to use beast mode/supers

[JDogindy]

Including bosses. For me, Cable.

EDIT: MUGEN is not allowed because characters like Marvin the Martian, Dragon Claw and Omega Tiger Woods.
It's a good thing that you aren't allowing MUGEN, because there's like hundreds of cheapies.

To be honest, there's this one guy in Fatal Fury. Whenever I got to him, I couldn't even win one round against this guy.

[comicstar100]

Kintaro (MK II) This guys worse then goro grrr
E.Honda (Street Fighter II) you could pretty much tap any button fast on the arcade version and he would punch you to death
Scorpion (MK Deception konquest mode) He is the last guy you fight on konquest and its probably one of the toughest computer based oppents I can remember, on konquest not so much in vs or arcade
Voldo (Soul Caliber II) I hate this guy he uses the same cheap moves over and over, if I could some how erase him from that game I would
Super Buu(DBZ Budokai 3) grrr I hate fighting this guy with that stupid dodge he does and then that punch that stretches his arm half way across the screen

[Domo Goddess]

1. Xianghua ( SC 2 + SC 3 ) She's just too good !

2. Setsuka ( SC 3 ) That might be because I'm not used to playing against her, but after watching my vid of me fighting her.... :mad:
I find her a bit hard to predict.

I don't have enough experience against Mitsurugi or Sophitia ( SC 3 ) !
I think they're top tier.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

1. Xianghua ( SC 2 + SC 3 ) She's just too good !


Against the cpu, f, f+1+2 = win.


2. Setsuka ( SC 3 ) That might be because I'm not used to playing against her, but after watching my vid of me fighting her.... :mad:
I find her a bit hard to predict.


She's really fast, but not cheap.


I don't have enough experience against Mitsurugi or Sophitia ( SC 3 ) !
I think they're top tier.

Cervantes is an example of a top-tier character. I don't know about Sophitia (I still believe Cassandra is better), but Mitsurugi is also very good, but mid-tier.

[Fatguy]

Maxi (Soul Calibur)

Agree here, I had several friends who loved this character. He's a button slapping character, just need to sit there and mash away. Its almost a skill black hole.

[Domo Goddess]

I just find Maxi hard to control which is why I don't use him.

Xianghua can be frustrating because of her speed, but I haven't fought against her in a tournament in awhile.

[hitokiri_]

E.Honda (Street Fighter II) you could pretty much tap any button fast on the arcade version and he would punch you to death



it is obvious that you lack experience on SF II. :D

against ryu and ken, if they get hit with the first blow, counter with a hadouken. it will immediately go into a bug. honda will never hit you again. ever. :D

using guile, keep doing sonic boom, immediately after that press up. guile will levitate, keep doing that until you went up and over the screen 5 times. use ur shadow as a target to your opponent, then press down kick. he will grab the enemy and do 90% damage. :D

blanka, ken, ryu are the cheapest of them all. blanka will electrocute you until kingdom come. and ken and ryu can beat you in 2 seconds. believe me. :D

[hitokiri_]

i don't consider eddy and christy to be cheap because their attacks are easy to block.

[hoffmandu]

I always thought melinda was cheap (mk2). Chun-Li (sf2).

[Domo Goddess]

I recently watched a SC 3 tournament video that was Ivy vs. Xianghua. The Xianghua player killed the Ivy abusing pretty much the same 5 moves over and over ! Then again, that's what Xianghua is known for ! :D

[Young Avenger]

Blanka is extremely cheap in Capcom vs SNK 2.

[El Santo]

Raphael (Soul Calibur 2)

[Black Atom]

Blanka is extremely cheap in Capcom vs SNK 2.

Agreed.

Cable in MvC2 has to be the worst, though. Guardbreak>AHVBx3 is insane.

[Xero Kaiser]

E.Honda (Street Fighter II) you could pretty much tap any button fast on the arcade version and he would punch you to death

Unless you jump

[Young Avenger]

Would unbalanced characters count as being cheap?

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Would unbalanced characters count as being cheap?
Depends on the character.

[Domo Goddess]

I never did beat Uranus in Bloody Roar 3.
I only got to her once.

[Angel of Sorrow]

Eddie/Christine (Tekken)


That's because Capoeira beats all others. Hurrah.

[Athena Bast]

Cervantes (The Spanish Cheese-meister) from Soul Calibur.

[Jeff-E]

Chun-Li in SF2. If you knocked your opponent down and timed it(not even that well timed) you could press down and high kick and sweep your opponent before they even stood up. They rectified this problem later I think, but in the first wave of the stand up arcade versions of this game it didn't matter if you blocked, the sweep just knocked you down before you stood up.

[Domo Goddess]

The only time Cervantes is cheesy is when Millionz plays him ! :D

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Wolverine from Marvel vs. Capcom. Bastard would never let you free from one of his long-ass combos.

[Guy1]

Including bosses. For me, Cable.

EDIT: MUGEN is not allowed because characters like Marvin the Martian, Dragon Claw and Omega Tiger Woods.
Oozaru Vegeta from DBZ: Tenkaichi. I swear he was the cheapest character to fight in that game. Kid Boo was a close second
Jinpachi
Gill:mad:

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Oozaru Vegeta from DBZ: Tenkaichi. I swear he was the cheapest character to fight in that game.
AAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!! Curse you for bringing me back such horrible memories!!! Totally agreed!!!

[Guy1]

AAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!! Curse you for bringing me back horrible memories!!! Totally agreed!!!
I've heard in DBZ: T2 pretty much all the sayans are going to have monkey forms.:(
Still, beating him down with monkey Gohan was fun as heck:evilsmile

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Onslaught, because he has so many attacks on screen in his second form and his first form loves to freeze you and unleash his dash attack! Plus there's a period of time where he can't be damaged! Talk about cheap!

[Guy1]

Onslaught, because he has so many attacks on screen in his second form and his first form loves to freeze you and unleash his dash attack! Plus there's a period of time where he can't be damaged! Talk about cheap!
I personally never found Onslaught that cheap, but then I pretty much always owned him with Ryu.

[SwordChucksMaster78]

Dr. Doom, he just keeps spamming that damn Photon attack and hardly lets you breathe!