Saw 3

[wingsofdamnation]

did a search and had no results so i started a saw 3 thread. i just saw Saw 3 this morning and loved it! this was by far the best of the three. i'm a bit confused about the ending though. spoilers ahead





i understood the whole thing about amanda being the player in the game but what was the point of the doctors husband. i understand that he was vengeful for his sons death and that he wouldnt get over his sons death but the what was the point of the three tests? what determined if he passed or failed. if he lets her die he passed, if he saves her he passed. i know it was all supposed to me a mental thing but if he just let all of them die how would that make it any difference on him opening the door and killing amanda. another thing, wasnt the harnass the doctor was wearing supposed to explode? when jigsaw told amanda that she caused the deaths of the four people in the room i thought it was because the explosion would have killed all of them. i loved the whole prequel part of the movie. the setup of the first movie was awesome.

what did you guys think

[drwho]

Finally, someone saw it. I read something bout the guy who was caught at the end of 2 that it explained what happend with that character. if you knw spoil away thanks.

[wingsofdamnation]

Finally, someone saw it. I read something bout the guy who was caught at the end of 2 that it explained what happend with that character. if you knw spoil away thanks.
yeah i didnt want to spoil too much for people who didnt see it but sure heres what happens







after amanda locks up the detective he spends a long time cursing her out and then he looks around trying to find a way out and his eye catches the saw on the side of the pipe. i tries sawing through his leg but cant bring himself to do it so he takes the porceilen cover of the toilet and smashes his foot to peices till his foot is just a bunch of mangled bones so that he can slip his foot through the shackle. he catches up with amanda and they have a big fight. amanda gets out alive and leaves the detective to die.

[Irv]

what was the point of the doctors husband. if he just let all of them die how would that make it any difference on him opening the door and killing amanda.
I don't think it mattered whether they lived or died. Although all three of them died eventually, he wanted to save them all. But I think if they had all died, the husband would still get through so that Amanda would be tested. Had the doctor not gotten through, Amanda would not get killed.

another thing, wasnt the harnass the doctor was wearing supposed to explode? when jigsaw told amanda that she caused the deaths of the four people in the room i thought it was because the explosion would have killed all of them.
I think it was more of like little explosions, kinda like firecrackers. They got put inside of the doctor when the necklace shut, then exploded, which explains why her head was like that.

I'll hold off on talking about the major stuff that happened until more people see the movie. The puzzles in this one were great. I loved the ice room, the chain/bomb room, and the acid/key rib puzzle. I also liked how it tied up some loose ends from Saw 1 and 2, even some minor stuff that didn't need tieing up. I really hope there's a Saw 0 that explains the flashbacks Jigsaw was having and covers Jigsaws early "career." Really looking forward to the next Saw movie, be it 0 or 4.

[Nate Grey]

I don't think it was as gory as the others (the cross device was disturbing, but that's about it), but overall I thought it was the best of the three. The only thing that's getting to me...how did Jigsaw know the husband would shoot Amanda, or that Amanda would shoot the wife then and there? In order for his test to work, Amanda had to fail at that moment and the husband witness it also at that very same moment...beyond that, everything made sense to me.

[Lord of Denial]

Am I wrong or did not Jigsaw die at the end of Saw II?

Did the just forget about that and decided he needed to be in III?

[wingsofdamnation]

I don't think it mattered whether they lived or died. Although all three of them died eventually, he wanted to save them all. But I think if they had all died, the husband would still get through so that Amanda would be tested. Had the doctor not gotten through, Amanda would not get killed.

I think it was more of like little explosions, kinda like firecrackers. They got put inside of the doctor when the necklace shut, then exploded, which explains why her head was like that.

I'll hold off on talking about the major stuff that happened until more people see the movie. The puzzles in this one were great. I loved the ice room, the chain/bomb room, and the acid/key rib puzzle. I also liked how it tied up some loose ends from Saw 1 and 2, even some minor stuff that didn't need tieing up. I really hope there's a Saw 0 that explains the flashbacks Jigsaw was having and covers Jigsaws early "career." Really looking forward to the next Saw movie, be it 0 or 4.
yeah that makes sence. i though of it more as like bullets that when the device went off it shot her all around her head

[KenK]

Am I wrong or did not Jigsaw die at the end of Saw II?

Did the just forget about that and decided he needed to be in III?

He didn't die, he just had the crap beat out of him.

[Legato]

If thare is a Saw 4 then wouldn't it make sense to have Jigsaw die during the film due to cancer then have Amanda take his place? For a man like Jigsaw that is suppose to be terminally ill with Cancer, by the next film, he should be either dead or too weak to do anything and have Amanda do the work for him

[GremlinClr]

If thare is a Saw 4 then wouldn't it make sense to have Jigsaw die during the film due to cancer then have Amanda take his place? For a man like Jigsaw that is suppose to be terminally ill with Cancer, by the next film, he should be either dead or too weak to do anything and have Amanda do the work for him


Yea, that would make perfect sense except Jigsaw and Amanda both died at the end of Saw 3.

After that ending I don't see how there can be a part 4. I'm sure that the creators can come up with something though.

[Legato]

Yea, that would make perfect sense except Jigsaw and Amanda both died at the end of Saw 3.

After that ending I don't see how there can be a part 4. I'm sure that the creators can come up with something though.


Maybe Amanda somehow survived an went on to continue his work but Jigsaw is still dead.

[Nate Grey]

No, it WOULDN'T make sense because Amanda is an unworthy successor. The whole point of Jigsaw testing Amanda AGAIN is because she missed the whole point of testing those people. The traps she set up, even if the person successfully completed them, they'd STILL die, as was proven with the cop and the chain dude (even if he broke all of them, the room was welded shut so he would have died from the explosion anyway). This made her a murderer, and Jigsaw said he hates murderers. In his mind, its not murder if they have a legitimate way to escape, despite the fact they'd fuck up their own bodies in the process. And its even more ironic when you consider he didn't do that to Amanda with her ORIGINAL test. If she fished out the key from that living dude and it didn't work on the reverse fly trap, then Jigsaw would have been a murderer and Amanda wouldn't be there.

[Nate Grey]

According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, #1 at the box office, AND more than made back its $12 million budget by bringing in over $34 million (domestic gross).

[KenK]

According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, #1 at the box office, AND more than made back its $12 million budget by bringing in over $34 million (domestic gross).

Why'd the budget go up some much from Saw II?!?!? Wasn't that only like 6 million for number 2?

[Legato]

According to BoxOfficeMojo.com, #1 at the box office, AND more than made back its $12 million budget by bringing in over $34 million (domestic gross).

So I guess we could expect either a sequal or prequal due to the third film being successful then. A prequal would be a logical solution.

[drwho]

This movie really grossed me out as bad as saw 2. As for how to bring jigsaw back....On his dieing bed he also was some voodoo guy and transfered his spirit into one of the hideous dolls to live again like chucky.:evilsmile

[Legato]

This movie really grossed me out as bad as saw 2. As for how to bring jigsaw back....On his dieing bed he also was some voodoo guy and transfered his spirit into one of the hideous dolls to live again like chucky.:evilsmile

Unlike Childsplay I believe that the film makers want Saw to actually be a horror movie instead of a comedy.

Your idea may work as a skit for Saturday Night Live though.

[Lord of Denial]

Maybe this happens

Jeffery goes nuts and in somesick way becomes what Jigsaw thought Amanda could be,

[GrimShadow]

Maybe this happens

Jeffery goes nuts and in somesick way becomes what Jigsaw thought Amanda could be,

Now that is a good suggestion.

[Lord of Denial]

Now that is a good suggestion.


I don't know if it is something I want to see. it seems to predictable.

But I can see it being used to keep the series going. And lets face it how mess in the head would you be if you went thru all that.

[Nate Grey]

Why'd the budget go up some much from Saw II?!?!? Wasn't that only like 6 million for number 2?

Well, logically, I'm guessing the studios said, "Hey, Saw 1 made money, so here's MORE money for the sequel!" and when the sequel did good, they then said, "Hey, Saw 2 made money, here's DOUBLE the money we put into it for Saw 3!"

My only question is, where did that 12 million go to? The production values seemed the same as Saw 2 (which isn't a bad thing, btw). Maybe I just need to see it again.

[Nate Grey]

Spoilers again: Well, I'm not sure how Jeffrey becoming like Jigsaw would make any sense, especially with his daughter somewhere dying cause he has no idea how to save her, but...Costas Mandylor's character, though briefly onscreen, seemed to kind of sympathize with Jigsaw. I thought it was going to be revealed he was in cahoots with Jigsaw as well.

Also, unless its revealed Jigsaw has an evil twin brother, this is it save for a prequel. I mean, whoever they get, won't be able to do that cool voice coming out the cassette player or VCR. :D

[wingsofdamnation]

Maybe this happens

Jeffery goes nuts and in somesick way becomes what Jigsaw thought Amanda could be,
yeah but jeffery doesnt have any of the technical creativity or intellect that jigsaw had. at least it seems like that.

[drwho]

The only way I could expect see any other sequels besides a prequel I think is if this movie franchise goes straight to dvd and start off with someone else being the killer. Kind of do a thematic remake like superman returns.

[KenK]

Well, logically, I'm guessing the studios said, "Hey, Saw 1 made money, so here's MORE money for the sequel!" and when the sequel did good, they then said, "Hey, Saw 2 made money, here's DOUBLE the money we put into it for Saw 3!"

My only question is, where did that 12 million go to? The production values seemed the same as Saw 2 (which isn't a bad thing, btw). Maybe I just need to see it again.

That's what I'm saying. One the one hand, the production values were fine and everything, but I don't see how that could have cost 12 million? Saw 2 seemed a lot more elaborate, not to mention a bigger cast, with more recognizable actors. Doesn't matter, I guess. The film's made back three times its budget already, so the studio's definitely not complaining. And neither or am I!

[Nate Grey]

Maybe most of the money went to get a certain actor to return? ;)

[knuklo]

*****Spoilers*******


I have some questions about Kerry's trap. Why didn't she tip the jar over a little bit and pour some of the acid out? Also what killed her? If I'm remembering right she got the key and pulled the device out of her ribs. She then fell to the floor (IIRC) and saw Amanda. Was she injected with too much poison by the time she got out of the trap or did Amanda do something else?

Also when Jeff is first shown and they mentioned his son was killed didn't they say the driver was drunk? In Tim's flashback of the accident he did not appear to be drunk. My memory is pretty bad thanks in advance.

[drwho]

I think the whole mo of jigsaw was a little off. Usually from these movies he kills unsympathetic characters. The doctor was a sympathetic charater. I wasnt wishing her dead like the pukes in the second one. So this was like a test in a test in a test.:confused:

[Nate Grey]

I have some questions

Okay: Kerry's trap was that an apparatus was surgically attached to her rip cage. When the timer goes off, in one minute, the apparatus would open, also opening her rip cage and killing it, unless she fished out the key from the acid and undid the lock. I forgot if the lock freed her or just cut the timer off. In any case, she did it, but the key didn't work. That's when Amanda came out, basically to gloat, and watched as the device went off and split her rib cage open, killing her.

That was Amanda's flaw: had Jigsaw did it, the key would have worked, Kerry would have learned her "lesson", which is basically be grateful you're alive, and she would have been free. Like Amanda was ages ago with HER trap. Somewhere along the way, though, Amanda forgot the lesson or missed the point, so all the traps SHE set, even if you did what was asked, you'd still die. Hence Jigsaw setting another "game" for Amanda cause he figured out what she was doing and wanted to give her one last chance to prove herself.

As for the dude that killed Jeff's kid, I don't think he was drunk, just reckless. Otherwise it would have came up a lot but it didn't.

[Nate Grey]

Forgot to add: Whatever that beaker of acid was affixed to, Kerry couldn't tilt it over, cause that was the first thing she tried.

[knuklo]

Thanks Nate.






******Spoilers*****

Smacks self on the forehead for not understanding that the device going off and tearing Kerry's ribs killed her. For some reason i thought the device was injecting poison into her ribs. Gotta watch this again i missed some small details.

[Nate Grey]

Thanks Nate.






******Spoilers*****

Smacks self on the forehead for not understanding that the device going off

We not using spoil tags anymore? ;)
Remember, Jigsaw always sets a trap for you that reflects, in a literal way, what you do for a living or how you live, if he deems either profane. He said Kerry opens up victims for a living, making her dead inside. So the trap was designed to open HER up, actually making her dead.

[GremlinClr]

Forgot to add: Whatever that beaker of acid was affixed to, Kerry couldn't tilt it over, cause that was the first thing she tried.


Actually no. It was attached to 2 chains hanging down. She could have easily tipped it over. She just didn't. That was one of the first things me and my friends talked about after leaving the movie. We all noticed it.

[Nate Grey]

Actually no. It was attached to 2 chains hanging down. She could have easily tipped it over.

As well as tip the WHOLE thing over, with the key spilling out with the acid. Probably why she didn't and decided to "play along." But thanks, forgot about the chains, thought it was a mini apparatus.

[knuklo]

[QUOTE=Nate Grey]We not using spoil tags anymore? ;)

fixed.

[Nate Grey]

fixed.

Still, what's the limit on spoiler tags? Wait a week for the movie to be in the theater, THEN talk about it freely? Just always wondered.

[GremlinClr]

As well as tip the WHOLE thing over, with the key spilling out with the acid. Probably why she didn't and decided to "play along." But thanks, forgot about the chains, thought it was a mini apparatus.

It's not an all or nothing thing. If I have a glass of water and want to pour some out I don't have to turn it upside down. All she had to do was tip and pour out 75-90% of it then reach in a grab the key. Obviously she wasn't thinking clearly due to the circumstance (which is understandable) and really it's a moot point since she couldn't survive anyway but she could have easily poured some acid out first.

[Nate Grey]

It's not an all or nothing thing. If I have a glass of water and want to pour some out I don't have to turn it upside down.

Could she have done that in her frantic state with pins sticking out of her and the clock ticking? Possibly, or possibly turned the whole thing over. I think it was a judgement call and she made it, simple as that.

[bertmann]

I think it was more of like little explosions, kinda like firecrackers. They got put inside of the doctor when the necklace shut, then exploded, which explains why her head was like that.


ummm....no, thats not tru

those were not "...like little explosions..." those "things" that she cocked back were dismantled shotguns and the "firecrackers" were shotgun slugs

so it was like she was shot in the head with 4-8 sawed-off-shotguns

[KenK]

ummm....no, thats not tru

those were not "...like little explosions..." those "things" that she cocked back were dismantled shotguns and the "firecrackers" were shotgun slugs

so it was like she was shot in the head with 4-8 sawed-off-shotguns

OOOH. . . .That had to hurt!:D

[Deathstroke]

And Saw 4 will be out next Halloween.

[Knightmare10880]

And Saw 4 will be out next Halloween.
Oh for crying out loud!! Don't get me wrong I've loved all of the Saw movies and am planning on seeing SAW III after I get paid on Friday, but do really need a 4th one. Jigsaw's supposed to dying of terminal cancer, how long can they stretch out his disease, the first movie was fine because he had just been diagnosed in the second we could see his body starting to break down and while I haven't seen the third one yet, I know that he's got to be on his last legs. I don't want to see Jigsaw replaced(unless they can do it in a truley believeable way) or turned into a supernatural being.

[Legato]

Oh for crying out loud!! Don't get me wrong I've loved all of the Saw movies and am planning on seeing SAW III after I get paid on Friday, but do really need a 4th one. Jigsaw's supposed to dying of terminal cancer, how long can they stretch out his disease, the first movie was fine because he had just been diagnosed in the second we could see his body starting to break down and while I haven't seen the third one yet, I know that he's got to be on his last legs. I don't want to see Jigsaw replaced(unless they can do it in a truley believeable way) or turned into a supernatural being.

I can see him being replaced but turned into a Supernatural being would be a little over the top since.

Yet I agree that having Jigsaw alive would kill the whole storyline of him dying of cancer. The best possible way of saving it would be to have Jigsaw lying on his death bed but still able enough to give out orders to his next apprentice on commiting crimes.

[wingsofdamnation]

Oh for crying out loud!! Don't get me wrong I've loved all of the Saw movies and am planning on seeing SAW III after I get paid on Friday, but do really need a 4th one. Jigsaw's supposed to dying of terminal cancer, how long can they stretch out his disease, the first movie was fine because he had just been diagnosed in the second we could see his body starting to break down and while I haven't seen the third one yet, I know that he's got to be on his last legs. I don't want to see Jigsaw replaced(unless they can do it in a truley believeable way) or turned into a supernatural being.
i think he was being sarcastic.

what do you think wouldve happened if he let all three people die willingly and didnt try to help any of them? wouldnt he still have the key to get through the door?

[Haunt]

i think the dummy should be the main star. he's creepier than Jigsaw and Amanda.