The bible & Iraq

[Count Vertigo]

a fellow conspiracy nut who reads up on the supernatural, the esoteric, the occult and other X-Files shit sent me this.

Just remember this. This posting doesn't reflect my views. If you think otherwise, then you're an idiot.
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Something Interesting to Think About....

VERY INTERESTING-

1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq!

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

14. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

15. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

16. The wise men were from Iraq

17. Peter preached in Iraq.

18. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

And I was thinking it'd been too long since we had a big ol'shit storm of an argument on CBR, and then - lo and behold - there was that thread title.

Almost a shame to see that the crazy you brought to the table is too crazy to even bother going into.

And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

Saddam is rather secular, and not really a Musllim.
Why would he have read any Muslim passages?

Also, the Koran doesn't treat Jesus and his disciples as anything special, Jesus is just another prophet.
So if your going to quote both, giving each as much importance, then you'd probably have to drop any reference after the end of the old testemant.

That said, this really is too much crazy rubbish to even get into.

[Stellar]

Is it me, or did most of the bad stuff happen in Iraq? Even Noah buidling the arc, he did to get the hell out of there, right?

[Winslow]

Since Tom doesn't post as much anymore (sadly)

I'll give the link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp

it's a false Koran reference

And can we at least update our email hoaxes to 2006?

[Clint Barton]

You could've made a mint if you'd have thought of this stuff and published it before say....1980. Jerry Jenkins, Tim LaHaye, and many others have already made a mint out of the "connections."

[Iangould]

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

Something very interesting to think about: some American Christians are so desperate to believe that:

a. the rapture is coming; and
b. Saddam was somoehow connewcted to 9/11

that they'll make up total lies to support those beliefs. (Not saying that Vertigo or his friend did so but this stuff has to be coming from somewhere.)

[Count Vertigo]

Weird weird shit

[JeffreyWKramer]

Weird, paranoid and silly conspiracy stuff makes the world go around!

Kinda like someting being flushed down a toilet.

Really, the modern world is dangerous enough without throwing ignorance, paranoia and superstitionist claptrap into the mix. Our best chance of species survival lies in doing away with such thinking, not embracing and promoting it.

[Count Vertigo]

That's a moutful. Those are the same idiots who claimed all of the attacks on 9/11 was a conspiracy. I'm waiting for the connection between New Coke, Jimmy Hoffa and the Branch Davidians

[Clint Barton]

Something very interesting to think about: some American Christians are so desperate to believe that:

a. the rapture is coming; and
b. Saddam was somoehow connewcted to 9/11

that they'll make up total lies to support those beliefs. (Not saying that Vertigo or his friend did so but this stuff has to be coming from somewhere.)

My take on it, as an American Christian , is simple.

I don't get caught up in the details of Christ's return and when. I just (attempt) to live the way he instructed and wait patiently. If the Rapture exists or not is not a major concern of mine. I just believe he's coming and I believe that I'll be with him eventually. How it all transpires and when it all transpires are just details I don't concern myself with much.

That's enough for me.

[Winslow]

Something very interesting to think about: some American Christians are so desperate to believe that:

a. the rapture is coming; and
b. Saddam was somoehow connewcted to 9/11

that they'll make up total lies to support those beliefs. (Not saying that Vertigo or his friend did so but this stuff has to be coming from somewhere.)

I think "lies" is a bit harsh.

But I DO think they're willing to believe just about anything in that regard without critical examination. Which often leads to embarassment when they've jumped to a faulty conclusion.

The discovery in France last year comes to mind.

[Kid Omega]

The Bible is a record if things that happened in the Middle East.

Iraq is a big place. So is egypt. A lot of stuff happened there too. Coincidence?

This is like noting the 'crazy coincidence" that a lot of the Eddas take place in Scandinavia.

[Count Vertigo]

My take on it, as an American Christian , is simple.

I don't get caught up in the details of Christ's return and when. I just (attempt) to live the way he instructed and wait patiently. If the Rapture exists or not is not a major concern of mine. I just believe he's coming and I believe that I'll be with him eventually. How it all transpires and when it all transpires are just details I don't concern myself with much.

That's enough for me.

That's an interesting post. As a Roman Catholic with agnostic tendencies (or vice versa) who's suffered enough loss to come close to losing my faith completely, I never really thought about Christ's return.

Any Jews or Muslims here with their thoughts on the Rapture (if it's in their religion?) care to add something?

[Iangould]

I think "lies" is a bit harsh.

But I DO think they're willing to believe just about anything in that regard without critical examination. Which often leads to embarassment when they've jumped to a faulty conclusion.

The discovery in France last year comes to mind.

Somebody had to concoct the false Koran verse.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Somebody had to concoct the false Koran verse.

It was a translation malfunction.

[Winslow]

Somebody had to concoct the false Koran verse.

How do you know it was a Christian?

[Iangould]

How do you know it was a Christian?

You mean apart from it coming at the end of a forwarded message citing the Bible extensively?

[BlairH]

The garden of Eden was actually probably in Iran, not Iraq. I saw some documentary a couple of years ago on the Discovery Channel that said so!

[TheTen-EyedMan]

The Rapture, other than being a godlessly bad film starring Mimi Rogers (which contains a rather cool scene where she busts a cap in her daughter) is discredited by this comment from Wikipedia.

"However, the word "rapture" itself is found nowhere in English Bible translations nor in its original Greek or Hebrew documents."

The popularization of the term is associated with teaching of John Nelson Darby and the rise of premillennialism and dispensationalism in the United States at the end of the 19th century.

In 1908, the doctrine of the rapture was further popularized by an evangelist named William Eugene Blackstone, whose book, Jesus Is Coming, sold more than one million copies[1], and then by its inclusion in the Scofield Reference Bible in 1909.

[Patient Boy]

And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

For the record, looking at the English translation of the Quran I have 9:11 is from Surah al Taubah, "Repentance". It's something closer to...

"If they repent and observe prayer and pay the zakat (alms to the needy), then they are your brethren in faith. We expound Our commandments for a people who know."

Something I'm sure a quick Google search would've turned up.

I've never actually listened to the Rapture, but I've heard good things about them.

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And as the above post mentions, there is no Jewish or Muslim rapture. There's barely a Christian one. It's a concept that originated a little more than a century ago, with very little support for it outside of certain American circles.

Don't worry Kirk Cameron, you'll always be Mike Seaver to me.

[Jeff Brady]

The garden of Eden was actually probably in Iran, not Iraq. I saw some documentary a couple of years ago on the Discovery Channel that said so!

Where's the dangling sword? I bet a few people could sneak past it!

[Michael P]

Where's the dangling sword? I bet a few people could sneak past it!
You're thinking the sword of Damocles. The flaming sword is held by the angel guarding the entrance to the Garden.

[Jeff Brady]

You're thinking the sword of Damocles. The flaming sword is held by the angel guarding the entrance to the Garden.

That's right. Thanks.

Still, we oughtta be able to find an angel with a flaming sword. We have night vision technology!

[Grazzt]

You're thinking the sword of Damocles. The flaming sword is held by the angel guarding the entrance to the Garden.

Ah, so that's why Christians think homosexuality is a sin. There's a flamboyantly gay sword standing between them and the Garden of Eden. No wonder they get cranky at us.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Ah, so that's why Christians think homosexuality is a sin. There's a flamboyantly gay sword standing between them and the Garden of Eden. No wonder they get cranky at us.

That's a Quentin Tarentino "Sleep With Me" quality explanation there.

[Dreadstar]

So, does everyone always get this upset over some bit of shit-stir propoganda?


...no, no, no... don't answer that... it was rhetorical in nature.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

So, does everyone always get this upset over some bit of shit-stir propoganda?


...no, no, no... don't answer that... it was rhetorical in nature.


JIHADENT!!!!!

Are you a Mufti from Sydney???

Raw Meat for the Pussies.

[Tages]

And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!
Yeah, that sure doesn't look like meaningless coincidence to me!

[Tages]

Since Tom doesn't post as much anymore (sadly)

I'll give the link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp

it's a false Koran reference

And can we at least update our email hoaxes to 2006?
Wow, and I was willing to chalk it up to randomness.

[Sanagi]

People are still fighting over the land where much of the old testament happened... And this is somehow surprising?

[Ontir]

That dominance and control of the birthplace of 3 religions should remain highly contested 2 millennia later, should come as no surprise at all.

[Tages]

And those three religions together encompass roughly half of the human species.

[Trystenn]

Something very interesting to think about: some American Christians are so desperate to believe that:

a. the rapture is coming; and
b. Saddam was somoehow connewcted to 9/11

that they'll make up total lies to support those beliefs. (Not saying that Vertigo or his friend did so but this stuff has to be coming from somewhere.)
Tch considering that any REAL American Christian knows that arab countries will most definately not be conquered by any foreign power that seems unlikely, it just seems like someone is trying to play on peoples beliefs, since there are alot of people who arent Christian who really want to bellieve (B)

[K'Nort]

You're thinking the sword of Damocles. The flaming sword is held by the angel guarding the entrance to the Garden.

Was. But they were cold. And she was expecting.

[J. Robb]

The only part of this email scam that is really true is that Iraq has very deep historical roots. Baghdad is one of the most storied cities on Earth. It's the kind of place I would love to visit one day.

Which makes its destruction all the more sad.

[Phrozen]

The only part of this email scam that is really true is that Iraq has very deep historical roots. Baghdad is one of the most storied cities on Earth. It's the kind of place I would love to visit one day.

Which makes its destruction all the more sad.

Most of the old ruins from ancient Mesopotamia are sand now. (Mud brick tends to do that) I know alot was excavated during the late 1800s by various French and British archaeologists but I do not just how much of it is still above ground.

Saddam was in the process of rebuilding a replica of I believe Usserbanipals palace. I do not know if the reconstruction is on the remaining foundations but I doubt it.

[Erebus]

That dominance and control of the birthplace of 3 religions should remain highly contested 2 millennia later, should come as no surprise at all.
I thought Islam was created in Saudi Arabia, while the bulk of Christian doctrine was created in Rome and Constantinople.

Also, wasn't Iraq made up of many different tribes, until Britian came over and told them that they were now a country?

[Paradox]

Perhaps Ontir should have used "holy land" instead of "birthplace".

[Tages]

I thought Islam was created in Saudi Arabia, while the bulk of Christian doctrine was created in Rome and Constantinople.

Also, wasn't Iraq made up of many different tribes, until Britian came over and told them that they were now a country?
Basically, what is now Iraq used to be two Ottoman provinces, Bagdhad and Mosul. Historically speaking the Kurdish north has fewer ties to the rest of Iraq than Kuwait does.

[Iangould]

Basically, what is now Iraq used to be two Ottoman provinces, Bagdhad and Mosul. Historically speaking the Kurdish north has fewer ties to the rest of Iraq than Kuwait does.

Not to get pedantic but it was three - Mosul, Baghdad and Basra.

That's the historic precedent for the partition idea.

But in the 21st century it makes about as much sense as partitioning the US along the lines that were in place in 1803.

[Tages]

Not to get pedantic but it was three - Mosul, Baghdad and Basra.

That's the historic precedent for the partition idea.

But in the 21st century it makes about as much sense as partitioning the US along the lines that were in place in 1803.
Uh, the states in existence in 1803 had exactly the same borders they do now, with the exception of Virginia.

[Iangould]

Uh, the states in existence in 1803 had exactly the same borders they do now, with the exception of Virginia.


I was referring to Louisiana and the Spanish colonies.

[Tages]

I was referring to Louisiana and the Spanish colonies.
Oh. My mistake.

There still aren't the same cultural and religious barriers in your example as there are in Iraq. The Louisiana Territory and Florida were both very sparsely populated until incorporated into the Union as well.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

I thought Islam was created in Saudi Arabia, while the bulk of Christian doctrine was created in Rome and Constantinople.

Also, wasn't Iraq made up of many different tribes, until Britian came over and told them that they were now a country?

Islam appeared in Arabia in the 7th century.

You are correct.

[Theophilus]

On the issue of Babylon, it's a little unfair to "mere Christianity" to single out Christians who have specific theories about the specific location of ancient Babylon and exclude those who interpret Babylon solely in the spiritual sense. I don't have a problem with either approach, and like Augustine can see passages as both literal and allegorical prophecy.

Something that most Christians agree on is that "Babylon" represents the civilized world wherever it is opposed to the kingdom of Christ. In the time of the apostles, that translated into Rome. It's not necessarily critical of civilization as such, but the point at which civilization attempts to put itself in the place of God. Babylon is the spiritual continuance of the tower of Babel, and that includes antispiritual elements in America as well. Babylon became an appropriate symbol at the point in history where it became the most prominent military power in the world and exiled Hebrews from their homeland, but that doesn't necessarily carry over into the literal site today.

[Clint Barton]

On the issue of Babylon, it's a little unfair to "mere Christianity" to single out Christians who have specific theories about the specific location of ancient Babylon and exclude those who interpret Babylon solely in the spiritual sense. I don't have a problem with either approach, and like Augustine can see passages as both literal and allegorical prophecy.

Something that most Christians agree on is that "Babylon" represents the civilized world wherever it is opposed to the kingdom of Christ. In the time of the apostles, that translated into Rome. It's not necessarily critical of civilization as such, but the point at which civilization attempts to put itself in the place of God. Babylon is the spiritual continuance of the tower of Babel, and that includes antispiritual elements in America as well. Babylon became an appropriate symbol at the point in history where it became the most prominent military power in the world and exiled Hebrews from their homeland, but that doesn't necessarily carry over into the literal site today.

Good post.

That's an important distinction to understand when talk is centered on the various ideas of the End Times.

[Phrozen]

I thought Islam was created in Saudi Arabia, while the bulk of Christian doctrine was created in Rome and Constantinople.

Also, wasn't Iraq made up of many different tribes, until Britian came over and told them that they were now a country?

Actually, alot of the early debate on Christianity was between the Patriarch of Jerusaleum, the Archbishop of Alexandrea, and the Patriarch of Constantinople. Alexandrea was the center of learning during that time and that is where alot of Christian thought blended with Greek Philosphy. The Partiarch of Rome (The Pope) was really only called to help settle disputes as he was seen as a sort of nuetral figure.