How come no ones talking about Justice #8?

[Raker616]

This series continues to deliver issue after issue, Ross, Krueger, and Braithwaite have put together an amazing JLA comic book that has an interesting story great scenes and beautiful art. So, i'm wondering am I the only one reading this this book rocks in so many ways that I feel like I have to tell every comic book fan about it. If you claim to love comics or are big Shazaam or Barry Allen fans pick up this book because it shows your favorite heros/villans at their best or worse. Seriously it is one of the few comics today that you will want to pick up when it hit you local CBS every 2 months.

[Buried Alien]

It's good stuff, but the slow pace of its release is seriously cutting into its momentum. It's hard to build up a buzz when you only get a meager ration every other month.

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[Mulett]

It is a fantastic series. I'm loving it. Sadly released at the same time as Infinite Crisis and Civil War, which somewhat stole its thunder.

[PastePotPete]

Slow pace. It's hard for the book to generate heat.

I still like the book, but they've been at the Fortress of Solitude for two issues now. If that were two months worth of Justice, that'd be one thing, but that's four months!

We've only got four issues left to go. Eight months! The better part of another year!

Nothing against DC or Justice's creators. They billed it as a bi-monthly. The painting makes that necessary.

But the pacing is strange for a reader who buys the single issues. I think this will be great as a nice big hardcover trade.

OH! And what was up with that Elongated Man, Plastic Man fight? Weird.

[edhopper]

I stopped reading these after issue#3. I still buy them, but I found it hard to follow on a bi-monthly basis. So I'll wait till they're done and read the whole story. Sort of like waiting for the trade, but I like reading in comic book format.
BTW:What I read in the first 3 I really liked.

[skally19]

you bought em but aren't reading em? what? i think it's great. i don't have any problems with the pacing

[edhopper]

I don't have a problem with the pacing either.
I enjoyed the first three issues. When I tried to read the fourth issue I found I had to re-read the first 3. This is not due to any fault of the creators. This is because I am old and my brain doesn't work to good.
So when the series is complete I will have a great time reading it as a whole.

I did the same thing with the Neverwhere series, loved reading it in one chunk.

[Patient Boy]

I know I'll love it, but I'll only be getting it once they collect the whole series.

[scratchie]

I really enjoyed this issue but I have to vote that the pacing on the overall series has left a little to be desired. This is one of the first issues (since maybe #2) where I could just pick it up and read it and not feel a little lost.

[gorosaurus]

I thought was great and worth the wait. Love seeing all the JLA and reserves from that era, as well as all the supporting cast members. Great characterization; I really like the scenes between Batman and Cold, and Marvel and Wonder Woman. Plus we can see a glimpse of why Plas and Ralph never hung out together much despite both being two stretchy, goofy guys.

[NMoline]

I am loving it to, its also good to see the metal men make an appearance this issue!

[scratchie]

Plus we can see a glimpse of why Plas and Ralph never hung out together much despite both being two stretchy, goofy guys.I was disappointed with the whole Plas/EM bit, and I wish DC would stop trying to shoehorn Plas into the DC Universe.

[Tony Starkz]

Awesome book,awesome series,one of thee best comics on the market today.

[Jack Zodiac]

I know I'll love it, but I'll only be getting it once they collect the whole series.

Six issues in, I was really regretting getting it bi-monthly, because I know it would make a much better read in one straight shot. I'm a dope, so I'll probably wind up buying the hardcover one day anyway.

[Kara Zor El]

I'm not picking it up until next week. So I'll comment then. But I the series so far is Ross's finest work.

[phantom1592]

I loved it. It's great to see Barry Allen back .

Best part of the book was Flash and Captain Cold.

"You tried to kill me. That means you tried to kill every person I hope to save before I die. That's a LOT of people."

I love it. :)

[Guts/Batman]

I'm not going to post many spoilers about this issue but this issue just kicked a lot of ass. Patient storytelling combined with the art and inking make this just a great comic.

Batman had some great lines in this issue I think, at the beginning and when he was interrogating Cold. I had forgotten about the Lasso being on him so when Superman in his thoughts said "All those bluffs were real." and remembering what he said, is...chilling.

We begin to see why the villains have done what they have done, and confirms things from the very first issues and the motives to do them.

Oh, and Phantom Stranger. If Ross made that into a poster, I would so get it.

[justcrash]

I love the story and the art, but, like Secret Wars, the pacing turns me off. I am just going to wait for the TPB.

[Guts/Batman]

Oops...

Should have done a search.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

it´s a good thing that I only drop by at the bookstore to get my standing orders every two months. :)

[wes_rk]

I always read the last issue then the new one with Justice. I would prefer to have a monthly release, but I don't mind at all having to re-read issues because I like the story and the art is awesome.

[dupersuper]

I would also prefer it come out more frequently, but that's just because it IS such a great book.
Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Wonder Girl, Captain Marvel, CM3, Mary Marvel, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Mera, Aquababy, Aqualad, Barry (Flash) Allen, Wally (Kid Flash) West, Hal (GL) Jordan, John (GL) Stewart, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Speedy, The Atom, Thanagarian Hawkman, Than. Hawkwoman, Plastic Man, Elongated Man, Sue Dibny, Snapper, Phantom Stranger, Zatanna, Red Tornado, The Metal Men, The Doom Patrol, Metamorpho, Batgirl, Supergirl...what's not to love?!?
Now, if only Firestorm, The Privateer, The Kirby-esque faux Sandman, Swamp Thing, Cyclotron, Golden Pharoah, Samuri, El Derado, Apache Cheif, Black Vulcan, and the Wonder Twins would show up, I'd really have a joy-gasm...

[phantom1592]

As for the monthly release issue with this book. I make certain exceptions for Alex Ross.

But He's the ONLY one.

Even I can look at his work and admit that this takes time. All the other artists and writers should stick to a deadline. ;)

Personally I would love to get a book like this (silver age JLA) Written Monthly by Ross. Not Drawn mind you. I love the story and the characterizations. Its kind of a rare combination to find. The old silver age stories were 85% corny and "for kids." The new stories are more adult orientated, but usually of replacement characters that I don't like as much. I love adult Stories with Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Arthur Curry (hell with Orin) and Dick Grayson as Robin. I love it :)

Lets get another Legends of the DCU or something going again.

[sly_kat]

amazing issue, the pacing certaintly picked up with this issue... a lot more is explained... anyone curious...
whose in that space ship?!!??!?!?!?!?!?

[skally19]

yeah i am. and is john stewart not a green lantern yet? sup with that? maybe he's waiting i guess

[TROUBLEZ]

I dont mind the wait at all. Them being in the fortress for 2 issues isn't a big deal considering that other things are happening in the issue. This is the only DC title that I buy, and it's worth the money. The covers, to the interior pages, the story, everything is great. This is truly an all-star comic. I also like how Aquaman is written and his new power. Good stuff.

[marshal99]

yeah i am. and is john stewart not a green lantern yet? sup with that? maybe he's waiting i guess

The league they are using is obviously based on the classic satetille era JLA and John Stewart was only a backup lantern then who doesn't even have his own ring if i do remember correctly. When Hal quit the corps , John was given a ring then and became full time.

The exchange between Elongated man and Plastic man is great. I won't be surprise if the big bad for this series will be revealed as Darkseid who is the one behind the actions of Brainiac & Luthor.

[Joker2503]

They should have just called this "All-Star Justice League", because that's pretty much what it is. I love this book. The art is gorgeous, the plot is epic, the characterizations and dialogue is great, I love it.

Yeah, it sucks having to wait 2 months between issues, but Alex Ross art is worth waiting for.

[LtMarvel]

Great series. Love the next cover!

[Frankie Dennis]

The wait is a pain but man is it worth it. Anyway I read this last night and I loved it. My favorite part was Captain Marvel hugging Wonder Woman, I thought that was pretty moving.

[Gozwald73]

That double-page spread of Aquaman going macho was sheer brilliance!

WHO DA MAN!!!! yeah baby!

:D

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Anybody bugged by the pacing should exert a little willpower and wait until the rest of the issues come out, then read them all in one sitting.

I recently re-read the first seven issues and the story holds up very well.

[Tony Starkz]

Goes to show Aquaman can be cool without long hair,a beard and a hook for a hand.

[MaxofSteel]

The exchange between Elongated man and Plastic man is great.

Aw man I LOVED that scene. It cracked me up. I can imagine a sort of "odd couple" dynamic between these two.
I also loved that offhand insult to Captain Marvel (even though I don't necessarily agree with it).

Overall great issue.

[Guts/Batman]

That scene reminded me of the confrontation between Batman and Guy in JLI #5. Batman throwing out those offhanded insults toward Captain Marvel.

[Super-Skrull]

Aw man I LOVED that scene. It cracked me up. I can imagine a sort of "odd couple" dynamic between these two.
I also loved that offhand insult to Captain Marvel (even though I don't necessarily agree with it).

Overall great issue.

I did like the issue but I really felt that the Plastic Man-Elongated Man exchange was Ross's stab at Ralph. He clearly prefers Plas to EM and I thought the who thing made EM look petty and small while making Plas the "cooler" of the two. To me, it felt really tacked on and clunky, especially contrasted to the very genuine and earnest Wonder Woman-Capt marvel exchange, which I thought was wonderful and heartfelt.

It's the only thing in the whole series I haven't liked thus far.

[AllisterH]

Actually, I thought that scene wasn't about EM vs Plasticman but about how people complain that Captain Marvel is just a Superman copy. Captain Marvel is Ross' favourite hero and he probably has had to argue against the whole "He's just a Superman ripoff...."

Still, have faith in Ross that there is a reason why the two malleable heroes weren't attacked.

Did anyone notice some of the subtle art things? For example, when Aquaman is going off about Brainiac JUST being a machine, notice who is standing RIGHT BEHIND him in that scene.

Now with the sidekicks coming to kick butt, this REALLY starts to get fun.

[marshal99]

I did like the issue but I really felt that the Plastic Man-Elongated Man exchange was Ross's stab at Ralph. He clearly prefers Plas to EM and I thought the who thing made EM look petty and small while making Plas the "cooler" of the two. To me, it felt really tacked on and clunky

Not really , the scene was pretty much an extention of the JLU booster gold episode where Ralph bitch about Plastic man as well except Plastic man wasn't there to defend himself in that episode.

[van-zee]

Anybody bugged by the pacing should exert a little willpower and wait until the rest of the issues come out, then read them all in one sitting.

I recently re-read the first seven issues and the story holds up very well.

I agree. I read issue 2 and had no interest in it, but I went back the other day and read all the issues, and it's pretty sweet. Sweet enough that the trades will go next to Kingdom Come and Uncle Sam on my top shelf. Damn you, Alex Ross! Sergio Argones is jealous!

[90'sCartoonMan]

The league they are using is obviously based on the classic satetille era JLA and John Stewart was only a backup lantern then who doesn't even have his own ring if i do remember correctly. When Hal quit the corps , John was given a ring then and became full time.

How did Hal know John before he gave him the ring? If they thought to capture John, he must've been a close friend of Hal's.


Actually, I thought that scene wasn't about EM vs Plasticman but about how people complain that Captain Marvel is just a Superman copy. Captain Marvel is Ross' favourite hero and he probably has had to argue against the whole "He's just a Superman ripoff...."

Plastic Man's argument had little weight considering just last issue Captain Marvel saved Flash by going as fast as him and hitting him with lightning, something Superman can't do.

I found the Ralph/Plas exchange interesting. I want Elongated Man to prove his worth in this series, though, as I think he's pretty cool. I don't want to see him attacking ElastiGirl next issue.


when Aquaman is going off about Brainiac JUST being a machine, notice who is standing RIGHT BEHIND him in that scene.

Yeah, I was like...dude, you're going to hurt the Metal Men and Red Tornado's feelings.

I loved the Flash/Cold encounter, but there were so many great little things. I liked the Batman/Superman exchange in the beginning, Little Hal "talking to strangers", and Wonder Woman reverting back to clay (Cheetah's blow struck a lot deeper than I thought it would)

[marshal99]

How did Hal know John before he gave him the ring? If they thought to capture John, he must've been a close friend of Hal's.


Hal knew John since the guardians was the one who assigned John as Hal's backup.
I remember one silver age justice league adventure (because it was included in the annual DC christmas special comic) where Hal slipped and knocked himself out while in the shower and the ring automatically went looking for John to respond to the JLA signal.

[phantom1592]

I've got the first appearance of John. The guardians picked him as a replacement, and Hal gave him some training. He had a ring there.



Then I have a hole in my collection :(



Then John was using Hal's ring after Hal quit for a time.

Not sure what happened to Johns first training ring. did the guardians take it back or something?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I've got the first appearance of John. The guardians picked him as a replacement, and Hal gave him some training. He had a ring there.

Then I have a hole in my collection :(

Then John was using Hal's ring after Hal quit for a time.

Not sure what happened to Johns first training ring. did the guardians take it back or something?

The ring John was using during his training was a creation of Hal's ring that disappeared when the charge runs out.

After that, John would use either Hal's ring or another temp ring the Guardians would give him, which is what John used when he was active during Hal's year long exile in space.

[Sean Whitmore]

Wow, was Ralph an uber-bitchy, Batman-level a-hole this issue.

"The entire world is in danger, but we don't need two guys with the same powers."

I wish Batman or someone would have overheard this whining, so he could've smacked Ralph upside the head and screamed, "Where's your brain?!"


SEAN

[phantom1592]

Wow, was Ralph an uber-bitchy, Batman-level a-hole this issue.

"The entire world is in danger, but we don't need two guys with the same powers."

I wish Batman or someone would have overheard this whining, so he could've smacked Ralph upside the head and screamed, "Where's your brain?!"


SEAN


Y'know.... I REALLY like that about Ralph. His utter disdain for Plastic Man.

People DO always get them confused. or think of the same. Ralph is a detective who is actually pretty good at his job. Plastic Man is a joke. If "I" was always mentioned in the same sentence/catagory as the jester, I'd get a little annoyed too.

It also doesn't help that PM is actually BETTER at his powers than EM. Ralph doesn't change shapes like Plastic Man does. That's got to bug him too. So on the surface and in the public eye Plastic man is BETTER than Elongated Man.

I think it adds a whole other depth to Ralph to HATE him. I mean.... Ralph's a generally nice guy. Everyone likes Ralph. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

I think it adds a whole other depth to Ralph to HATE him. I mean.... Ralph's a generally nice guy. Everyone likes Ralph. :)

If the interaction had happened in a lighter atmosphere--like, say, a Giffen "bwa-ha-ha" type book--it would have been hilarious. It's just the fact that it happened in the midst of this worldwide threat, where everyone's acting dead-serious...it makes Ralph look like he's having a particularly heavy period. :)


SEAN

[MaxofSteel]

Hey, how long does this Gingold stuff last that EM uses to activate his powers?

I wikipedia'd this but could'nt find any info.

[scratchie]

People DO always get them confused. or think of the same. But, you know, Ralph is a complete and utter ripoff of Plastic Man, so tough luck for him.


Plastic Man is a joke. Plastic Man is one of the greatest comic book creations of the 20th century. Elongated Man is an occasionally entertaining rip-off. And as Sean pointed out, the whole scene was really out of place given the overall tone of the book so far.

[phantom1592]

But, you know, Ralph is a complete and utter ripoff of Plastic Man, so tough luck for him.

Possibly something else that annoys him. ;)




Plastic Man is one of the greatest comic book creations of the 20th century. Elongated Man is an occasionally entertaining rip-off. And as Sean pointed out, the whole scene was really out of place given the overall tone of the book so far.


Hey, I like Plas too, but if I was a hero who took the job seriously (somewhat) I would hate getting stuck with a constant comparison to Plastic Man. He really is insane....

[scratchie]

Hey, I like Plas too, but if I was a hero who took the job seriously (somewhat) I would hate getting stuck with a constant comparison to Plastic Man. He really is insane....That's probably true. My biggest problem with the whole thing (as I've mentioned before) is that, really, Plastic Man doesn't belong in the DC Universe at all. But since he's there, Ralph should just suck it up and deal with the fact that he's a Stretchy-Come-Lately.

[Kid Kyoto]

Goes to show Aquaman can be cool without long hair,a beard and a hook for a hand.

yes but they did have to give him Wolverine's mutant healing factor.

Not that I mind.

The Supereme Power Amphibian is much more of a fish man than Aquaman and benefits from it.

[Kid Kyoto]

If the interaction had happened in a lighter atmosphere--like, say, a Giffen "bwa-ha-ha" type book--it would have been hilarious. It's just the fact that it happened in the midst of this worldwide threat, where everyone's acting dead-serious...it makes Ralph look like he's having a particularly heavy period. :)




I think it ups the ante, I've seen a lot of people snap at others over trivia when they're under stress. Scenes like that or Superman screaming 'Help me!' show that these heroes are really starting to crack.

[Kid Kyoto]

OK, I was going to wait for trades, I really was but after that first one I ran out and got 6-8 today. Hence my sudden flurry of comments.

This is so @##$ing good.

My one worry is that this will end with a wimper. Yeah their secret IDs have been blown, their sidekicks are brainwashed (I like the fact Supergirl went down off panel, yeah you might have his powers but you ain't superman kid) but no has died, and it seems this will end with a victory and a hitting of the reset button.

I hope not.

It's an out of continuity story, I hope some of the heroes will really die, otherwise it seems a waste of potential and just another shadow game where nothing happens.

[marshal99]

Nah , i hope nobody have to die. Cheapens the story and it's the story that counts.

[Kid Kyoto]

Nah , i hope nobody have to die. Cheapens the story and it's the story that counts.

I don't know, the story is what if the villains were serious and worked together.

The unique feature I'm seeing here is the heroes are genuinely scared.

It would be a shame if this ends up another battle with no long-term consquences.

[Agent Helix]

What long-term consequences could there be for an out of continuity limited series about the Superfriends vs. the Legion of Doom?

[marshal99]

I don't know, the story is what if the villains were serious and worked together.

The unique feature I'm seeing here is the heroes are genuinely scared.

It would be a shame if this ends up another battle with no long-term consquences.

Like Agent Helix said , what long term consequences ?! This is just an elseworld story , a nostagic silver age story of good vs evil.

[Guts/Batman]

Nah , i hope nobody have to die. Cheapens the story and it's the story that counts.

I agree. There's no reason to have anyone die in this story.

[phantom1592]

I will say that just an issue or two ago, when nobody could... sense Aquaman, I Got an awesome chill down my spine. This IS an elseworlds and ANYTHING could happen. All bets are off. No Status Quo HAS to be maintained.


However since he pulled through, I don't see anyone else dying. Ross had his chance and didn't go through with it.

[Guts/Batman]

Not talking about any status quo issue. At this point in the story, it serves no purpose in the story to kill off one of the main characters. Hero or villain.

[Shellhead]

I agree. There's no reason to have anyone die in this story.

If this was a Marvel issue of What If?, a gratuitous death or three would be practically mandatory.

[Guts/Batman]

If this was a Marvel issue of What If?, a gratuitous death or three would be practically mandatory.

Of course. My oldest brother has the What-If when the symbiote took over Peter Parker...

There was a lot of blood spilled and lots of dead bodies in that one.

[Kid Kyoto]

I agree. There's no reason to have anyone die in this story.

I have to disagree. The set up from the beginning has been that this is an epic battle between good and evil.

In order for a battle to be epic there have to be appropriately high stakes. If the worst that can happen to the heroes or villains is a bit of mild inconvenience then they're just lying to us, just talking up the game as though something might happen.

When DC has some sort of Identity Crisis or Infinite Crisis event in continuity we all know there are very limited stakes, which 3rd tier character will die? But the major characters will not.

Now I LOVE Justice but so far Aquaman has been saved by a henious deus ex machina (turns out he has a healing factor he never knew about and Brianiac didn't detect) and the Hawks by a lessor one (lucky we got into this bomb shelter!) and Superman and Green lantern by convienient cavalry. If all this set up just amounts to bunch of nearmisses, then, well it was just set up wasn't it?

I hope Krueger and Ross will use the freedom of an elseworlds to really raise the stakes. I see no reason this can't be the JLA's last stand.

[Tony Starkz]

I see alot of complaints about the whole bi monthly thing.

Guys,it's Alex God Damn Ross.Like come on!

[Guts/Batman]

I have to disagree. The set up from the beginning has been that this is an epic battle between good and evil.

But what good comes out a character dying in the story?

Nothing.

[sly_kat]

But what good comes out a character dying in the story?

Nothing.

Unless done the right way'

[Guts/Batman]

DC has used the death card in it's stories far too much lately. It doesn't quite help a story that is going fine without the gratuitus violence and death. Why do we need to sully the story with it?

[Kid Kyoto]

DC has used the death card in it's stories far too much lately. It doesn't quite help a story that is going fine without the gratuitus violence and death. Why do we need to sully the story with it?

Um, sir, they abducted aquaman, strapped him down, tortured him and cut out part of his brain.

How is that not gratuitus violence?

And he lived only because he suddenly developed a power never seen before.

Now don't get me wrong, I like this series a lot, but I'm worried it will amount to another pointless battle and all the talk of high stakes will amount to teasing.

[chrismileslord]

This is probably one of the best written stories I have read in years, and honestly, I don't mind waiting two months because the art is outstanding. There isn't a bad part about this book. It makes me not want it to end.