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Mr. Palmer
10-25-2006, 09:40 AM
Quick synopsis:

Alongside Butcher, Hughie watches the Teenage Kix throw an orgy. Each member takes a turn with a whore, changing partners with a rapid fluidity. The effects on the women are pretty harsh, as one is seen inspecting herself with bloody fingers. Not to mention that the girls keep up-to-speed with the supes by using a *dum dum dum* blue fluid.

Meanwhile, amonst the Seven:

Starlight is asked to introduce herself, but stalls while A-Train makes a sexual joke towards her. This leads to him getting his ass whooped down by Homelander. There's also a big quandry over merchandising, as the Deep and Jack From Jupiter question the Big Three about their larger percentage.

Meanwhile, Mother's Milk and The Frenchman keep an eye on Teenage Kix. There's a bit of gay sex that humors Hughie, and leaves him wondering if the teams knows who screwing who.

This is where Butcher takes the initiative to inject Hughie with the *dum dum dum* blue fluid. Called Compound V, it's a drug which alters the users D.N.A. and gives them powers a'la the Supes. It's how the hookers were able to keep up in the orgy, and how The Boys are able to stand up against the Supes.

However, Hughie doesn't take kind to this. He rails off against Butcher, then stomps away; proclaiming he's going home to Glasgow...

_____

Another fantastic issue! Haven't laughed so hard over a book since, well, #3!

Interesting to finally find out how the Boys are going to keep up against the Supes. The meeting of the Seven was cool, too. Have to admit I got a kick outta the Deep. And... and... the book was just great.

Hmm. Wonder where The Female was, though?

Highly recommended.

Erwin Heinek
10-25-2006, 03:18 PM
Hmm. Wonder where The Female was, though?

In keeping with the incredibly sophisticated tone of The Boys Number Four I will guess that she is missing because it is her time of the month and it makes her nice for five days.

Man! I can't believe how far off the rails this went from one issue to the next.

Sparda
10-25-2006, 03:27 PM
I love this series. My lcbso recommended this to me and fell in love with it ever since I read issue one. Every issue they always put something shocking and hilarous while other stuff just disgust. Who would have known Homelander would drop his pants to this chick and even more hero's did the same. Each hero seems to be........well freaks. Can't wait for issue 5. Wonder what Hughie's new powers will do.

IMJ
10-25-2006, 04:04 PM
I have heard very good things about this book. Are the first 3 issues tough finds or are they readily available?

Sparda
10-25-2006, 04:06 PM
I have heard very good things about this book. Are the first 3 issues tough finds or are they readily available?
Well at my comic shop thier easy to get and if you can't find them just ask the owner to order some issues for you.

ultramandingo
10-25-2006, 05:19 PM
haw , popclaws a cutter! and how cool is the deep , finally a bitchin fish guy.

Jack Roberts
10-25-2006, 07:10 PM
I'm a big Garth & Derick fan, but for some reason I can't quite fathom, after issue 1 this series has fallen flat for me.

Ryan Day
10-25-2006, 07:53 PM
I think this was probably my last issue, unless I find something extraordinary about #5 when I flip through it at the store.

We get it, Garth: The superheroes are really bad people. We got it after the first two issues, and I think it was far more effective when we weren't seeing all the horrible, over the top things they do. I even thought the last issue was pretty funny, but this one just takes the joke too far.

And really, nothing other than that has happened. Butcher is a badass, Hughie is uncertain, and the supers are jerks. Ennis is spending too much time on The Seven when they're not even the primary subject of the first storyline. This makes four issues of setting up and getting the team together; the only excuse for that would be to do some hardcore character development, but everyone is pretty one dimensional.

This turned to "Bad Ennis" disturbingly quickly. I'm pretty disappointed.

rerun
10-26-2006, 11:55 AM
I'm having a great time with it. It's like The Pro, just extended.

Have their been any Marvelesque characters yet? Do you think there will be?

Mr. Palmer
10-26-2006, 12:06 PM
It'd be interesting to see some Marvel characters, but I think he's going to keep on driving nails into the DC stalwarts.

And we need more of the Deep! As mentioned, it's great to see a cool aquatic character.

ultramandingo
10-26-2006, 04:07 PM
I'm having a great time with it. It's like The Pro, just extended.

Have their been any Marvelesque characters yet? Do you think there will be?


first issue had a guy with a big A on his forhead ( wich butcher( ? ) was stomping on .

Grizsly
10-26-2006, 09:17 PM
Heh heh - the Teen Kix orgy was just disturbing. . .and the Momeland guy is just a pig.

Another funny issue, sure - but I do agree with some of you on this - the book needs some ACTION already!

Here's hoping five and six kick this one into some SERIOUS high gear. . .

SKJAM!
10-27-2006, 06:26 PM
The one thing I actually found amusing in this issue was the look on the face of the prostitute whipping one of the Kix. It just spoke of intense boredom with the whole situation.

JustinPJ
10-30-2006, 06:53 PM
Hmm. Wonder where The Female was, though?

I think we see her face in a window, doing some surveillance of her own.

BadAssMofo
10-31-2006, 05:31 AM
I think this was probably my last issue, unless I find something extraordinary about #5 when I flip through it at the store.

Your local comic shop should have tons of Disney comics for sale. Enjoy!

BadAssMofo
10-31-2006, 05:32 AM
What was the white/red liquid coming from under Hughies door at the end??

Subotai
10-31-2006, 06:03 AM
Something...Not good.

This is not Ennis' best work by far - forget about out-Preachering Preacher - but I guess I can see why it's sold out at the local comic shops every week.

Ryan Day
10-31-2006, 06:07 AM
Your local comic shop should have tons of Disney comics for sale. Enjoy!

They do, actually. But they also have books that are dark, mature, or violent yet don't beat the central joke into the ground or spend four issues on setup without creating characters that are anything more than caricatures.

I'm not turned off by the subject matter, just the execution. When Ennis does this sort of thing well, it's very good; he's just not doing it very well here.

ultramandingo
10-31-2006, 07:43 AM
The comic shop should have plenty of Archie and Jughead comics for you to enjoy. Ta ta now.
im sure the boys will work their way to riverdale eventually - reggie must die!

jetter_cheeze
10-31-2006, 08:25 AM
What was the white/red liquid coming from under Hughies door at the end??

It was the cum/blood mixture that Hughie was warned would happen outside his door if he lived in that neighborhood.

Fatguy
10-31-2006, 10:12 AM
Yeah....I forgot to pick this up, and now I am thinking that I wont. Sounds like the same thing as the first 3 issues. Superheroes = assholes, with deviant sexual desires. Yep we get it.

*yawn*

Stuff like this is funny in small doses, but when lewd conduct is the central focus of a series, it comes across as pandering to a more immature audience. Which, btw, is by NO means meant as an offense to anybody enjoying the series. Just my humble opinion on the source material.

I am in total agreement with Ryan Day, who has stated some very well done points. Its unfortunate they were met by suggestions to find some Disney comics, as if the Boys was just too much intellectually for him, or he's too "sensative"....

Agent Helix
10-31-2006, 10:15 AM
Peurile jokes and pointless ultraviolence.. from Ennis?!

Say it ain't so.

Jack Roberts
10-31-2006, 10:57 AM
The comic shop should have plenty of Archie and Jughead comics for you to enjoy. Ta ta now.

You're not doing this book any favors if this is the way you go about defending it on public message boards.

Subotai
10-31-2006, 07:11 PM
One point that is disappointing - 'The Boys' have superpowers. Wouldn't it be much cooler if they were normal humans using all kinds of filthy, dirty tricks to get the edge on these guys?

ultramandingo
11-01-2006, 07:32 AM
Yeah....I forgot to pick this up, and now I am thinking that I wont. Sounds like the same thing as the first 3 issues. Superheroes = assholes, with deviant sexual desires. Yep we get it.

*yawn*

or.......

Sounds like the same thing as the first superman/batman back in '39 Superheroes = a-ok square jawed joes , with no sexual desires or genitalia at all. Yep we get it.

*yawn*

Jack Roberts
11-01-2006, 09:50 AM
One point that is disappointing - 'The Boys' have superpowers. Wouldn't it be much cooler if they were normal humans using all kinds of filthy, dirty tricks to get the edge on these guys?

Yep. I imagined they were gonna be like little Prometheuses without a any sort of comics code holding them back.

Jack Roberts
11-01-2006, 10:00 AM
or.......

Sounds like the same thing as the first superman/batman back in '39 Superheroes = a-ok square jawed joes , with no sexual desires or genitalia at all. Yep we get it.

*yawn*

I think that's an unfair comparrison. Back in '39, Superheroes were a whole new concept and I really do not think the audience in those days were focused on what these new colorful characters with these awesome abilities were doing with their naughty parts. Otherwise, Tales From the Crypt would be at issue 700 instead of Batman.

By contrast, Superheroes with sexual disfunction have been around awhile now, most notably since Watchmen. Its not a new concept.

Agent Helix
11-01-2006, 10:34 AM
Plus, it seems to be the only song and dance Ennis knows in the genre at this point. It's the same writer doing the same tricks over and over again. It's dull now.

Fatguy
11-01-2006, 03:07 PM
or.......

Sounds like the same thing as the first superman/batman back in '39 Superheroes = a-ok square jawed joes , with no sexual desires or genitalia at all. Yep we get it.

*yawn*

You misunderstand me, I am not against sexuality, or sexuality in comics even. Its ok to represent heroes who arent exactly perfect, or even NICE. They may even have deviant sexual habits...but when its the focus of the book, or them being assholes as the focus, it just seems like an over the top reach for shock value, for the express purpose of lowbrow humor.

Cant you just see Ennis bent over his pencil writing this series, giggling like Beavis the whole time? ;)

ultramandingo
11-01-2006, 05:39 PM
thats just it . its not a superhero book, its a ennis book . if you want spandex go read jla . just skip the dr light stuff. ewwwwww

ultramandingo
11-01-2006, 06:18 PM
By contrast, Superheroes with sexual disfunction have been around awhile now, most notably since Watchmen. Its not a new concept.

who said anything about it being new.....

Tijuana Bibles (also known as "eight-pagers") were pornographic comic books produced in the United States from the 1920s to the early 1960s. Their popularity peaked during the Great Depression era. The typical "bible" is 4 by 6 inches, with black printing on cheap white paper, and eight pages long. In most cases the artists, writers and publishers of these tracts are unknown.. Their subject is explicit sexual escapades and, usually featuring well known cartoon characters, political figures or movie stars (used without permission).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana_bible

yow check this one out !!!! popeye porn!
http://www.tijuanabibles.org/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?action=detail&item=TB069

Fatguy
11-01-2006, 07:34 PM
thats just it . its not a superhero book, its a ennis book.

I know, I never expected it to be a spandex book, I expected it to be the opposite. I just wanted a little more Preacher/Punisher Ennis, something with a substance behind the shock value.

But I digress. I havent read number 4 yet, so I feel like I shouldnt be against the series too much. I was just very dissapointed with the first 3, the pacing has been dreadful. I wanted something a little more gritty and witty, and a little less, I dunno, juvenile. I hate to use that word, as I dont want to seem insulting to any of the readers who are enjoying, I just cant think of a better one.

Thats ok, to each there own ;) I still look forward to seeing what Ennis does with Midnighter, which I will be picking up this Friday...

ultramandingo
11-01-2006, 07:37 PM
im fine with 'juvenile' oh you mean the book . that too

Strannik
11-01-2006, 10:50 PM
I, for one, I am rather dissapointed with the orgy scene. When Lying in the Gutters reported that a group of Titans analogues were going to have an orgy I kind of assumed that there were going to be more girls, and that they would be having sex with each other, as opposed to the game of prostitute musical chairs we got in the actual issue. IMNSHO, it's a terrible waste of an intriguing idea, but my mind works in strange ways.

Jack Roberts
11-01-2006, 11:27 PM
who said anything about it being new.....

Tijuana Bibles (also known as "eight-pagers") were pornographic comic books produced in the United States from the 1920s to the early 1960s. Their popularity peaked during the Great Depression era. The typical "bible" is 4 by 6 inches, with black printing on cheap white paper, and eight pages long. In most cases the artists, writers and publishers of these tracts are unknown.. Their subject is explicit sexual escapades and, usually featuring well known cartoon characters, political figures or movie stars (used without permission).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana_bible

yow check this one out !!!! popeye porn!
http://www.tijuanabibles.org/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?action=detail&item=TB069


That's . . . nice.

I still think comparing sexuality in mainstream superhero comics in the golden age to this present age is about as silly as Popeye porn. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to make Star Wars Lego porn comics and distribute them through my friends list on myspace before I make a wiki entry for it. ;)

Xothermic
11-02-2006, 12:09 AM
I'll admit it. I can't digest this book! I just finished reading all 4 issues and it's just too perverse for my taste. Actually, I think I would rather read the Disney books! I'm tolerant towards violence, nudity, strong language, the works. But when three guys pull down their pants and enitce a woman to perform felatio, by blackmail, all at the same time...Well, I think I would rather read Disney!

geordiesteve
11-02-2006, 01:31 AM
I can guess some of where he is going with this book, but I will admit so far it doesn't have the heart of Preacher, which despite all its shocking parts, was about something grander. This just feels like a big adventure, which is great and I like that, but comparing it to Preacher I think was, thus far, an unfair thing to do.

ultramandingo
11-02-2006, 10:16 AM
I can guess some of where he is going with this book, but I will admit so far it doesn't have the heart of Preacher, which despite all its shocking parts, was about something grander. This just feels like a big adventure, which is great and I like that, but comparing it to Preacher I think was, thus far, an unfair thing to do.

yea im with you on the preacher thing . dumb marketing .this is closer to ennis's punisher, but more max

Katha Hem
11-02-2006, 08:18 PM
One point that is disappointing - 'The Boys' have superpowers. Wouldn't it be much cooler if they were normal humans using all kinds of filthy, dirty tricks to get the edge on these guys?

Nah. I'm sick of "[yada yada] win because they're such depraved bastards" stories. They're like the lowbrow version of Batgod stories. Granted, it's more interesting when the protagonists are outmatched, but when the power disparity gets too high, writers are tempted to use implausible contrivances to ensure a victory for the underdog. I'm extremely relieved at the use of the blue stuff to decrease the disparity a bit.

Overall I've actually been impressed with this book. I'd expected from the premise that it'd just be more caricaturish anti-superhero crap like The Pro, but so far it's looking like a little more thought was put into this than I'd expected. Of course, there haven't been any big fights yet, so I suppose there's still room yet for it to go down the toilet.

filthysize
11-05-2006, 04:08 PM
I, for one, I am rather dissapointed with the orgy scene. When Lying in the Gutters reported that a group of Titans analogues were going to have an orgy I kind of assumed that there were going to be more girls, and that they would be having sex with each other, as opposed to the game of prostitute musical chairs we got in the actual issue. IMNSHO, it's a terrible waste of an intriguing idea, but my mind works in strange ways.

I thought the same thing at first, but then the angle Ennis chose showed something pretty inspired. It's the one hooker who discovered that she's bleeding from her vagina after receiving superhuman pounding.

Without that darkly funny moment showing the consequence of normal everyday people's negative interaction with powered beings (which is kind of the point of the series), I would have thought missed opporunity too.

BadAssMofo
11-08-2006, 08:17 AM
You're not doing this book any favors if this is the way you go about defending it on public message boards.

I think I am by stating that The Boys= Adults only and Disney= fun for all ages

Agent Helix
11-08-2006, 09:14 AM
Ha! Adults. That's a good'un.

Ryan Day
11-08-2006, 10:39 AM
It's Adult in the same way porn is. (and not coincidentally, has similar depth and characterization) It may be adult, but it's certainly not mature, which is something I like to see in my comics.

In fact, let's be honest:The appeal of the book is that it's juvenile, voyeuristic misanthropy. Ennis seems to be building it around the most disgusting and over-the-top things he can passably work into a story. The story works best - and even then not terribly well - if played as a satire. For the life of me, I can't see how there's enough there to sustain an ongoing series.

Effect
11-08-2006, 11:13 AM
It's Adult in the same way porn is. (and not coincidentally, has similar depth and characterization) It may be adult, but it's certainly not mature, which is something I like to see in my comics.

In fact, let's be honest:The appeal of the book is that it's juvenile, voyeuristic misanthropy. Ennis seems to be building it around the most disgusting and over-the-top things he can passably work into a story. The story works best - and even then not terribly well - if played as a satire. For the life of me, I can't see how there's enough there to sustain an ongoing series.

Thank you. I wish more people would actually realize this. Adult doesn't not automaticly equal "mature". The two can be very different things. I've flipped through a few of these issues when I recently went by the comic shop, one of the rare times I get in that area, and really I wouldn't blow any money on these books. I want to wish I hadn't spent the time to do so but glad I did since I now know what the title is like and I don't have to worry about what I'm missing since it isn't much at all.

Like said, I get what Ennis is trying to do it seems but it just doesn't work for me. The entire thing is really poor especailly when I think about all of the other ways this type of thing could have been done in a much more mature manner.

Jack Roberts
11-08-2006, 03:45 PM
It's Adult in the same way porn is. (and not coincidentally, has similar depth and characterization) It may be adult, but it's certainly not mature, which is something I like to see in my comics.

In fact, let's be honest:The appeal of the book is that it's juvenile, voyeuristic misanthropy. Ennis seems to be building it around the most disgusting and over-the-top things he can passably work into a story. The story works best - and even then not terribly well - if played as a satire. For the life of me, I can't see how there's enough there to sustain an ongoing series.

Well stated.

I, myself, am giving this book a shot at least through January or when the 1st arc concludes since Ennis' work on Preacher and Punisher made him my favorite writer working in comics. I hope he gives me a reason to keep reading this book.

ThrillOfItAll
11-13-2006, 11:10 AM
It's Adult in the same way porn is. (and not coincidentally, has similar depth and characterization) It may be adult, but it's certainly not mature, which is something I like to see in my comics.

In fact, let's be honest:The appeal of the book is that it's juvenile, voyeuristic misanthropy. Ennis seems to be building it around the most disgusting and over-the-top things he can passably work into a story. The story works best - and even then not terribly well - if played as a satire. For the life of me, I can't see how there's enough there to sustain an ongoing series.

I don't consider this book porn, nor do i consider it juvenile. It's not a mind altering experience. To me, it's like a Dolph Lundgren movie. Sometimes you like them, sometimes you don't.

Agent Helix
11-15-2006, 06:34 AM
I think that's the first time I've ever seen anything favorably compared to a Dolph Lundgren movie.

Juss
11-15-2006, 07:10 AM
I don't agree with Ryan Day at all. I think that The Boys is actually pretty clever and I'm sure there's a lot left in the tank thats going to sustain this series. Here's my short review now that I've caught up to issue 4!

The Boys 1-4
*spoilers*

Not having read Garth Ennis’ famous comic series Preacher, I’m in no position to state whether that title has indeed been out-Preacher’d by Ennis’ latest controversial offering,The Boys; a comic about a group of operatives employed by the CIA whose job it is to keep in check a bunch of Superheroes whose power has quite literally gone to their head and the story of Wee Hughie and his induction into The Boys. Certainly this title is lewd and rude and doesn’t blink at showing any scenes that might shock or offend. Our eyes are treated to scenes of extreme violence (a head being crushed by a boot, bodies pulverised and crushed against walls etc) and sexual situations that strong intercourse, orgies and coerced oral sex. It would be easy to see The Boys as childish and wilfully offensive and I can almost feel that this is what Ennis actually wants us to do as its good for sales, but fortunately, there’s more to it than that.

The Boys, -The Butcher and his cronies -are a thoroughly violent, despicable lot (although; as reprehensible as The Superheroes that they have been assigned to bring down. It’s the extensive focus on the dregs of humanity, and not the sex or violence, that makes The Boys at times tough to read; there’s just so little to love. It’s also this that makes it so subversively brilliant. The idea that the superhero mythos is not so straightforward as we’d like to believe has been tackled many times, most famously by Alan Moore in his classic Watchmen. Ennis’ portrayal of the Seven (the big league superheroes), if less subtle, is far more outrageous in its implications. Painting them as a band of careless, self obsessed bigots who manipulate situations for their sexual or monetary gain Ennis is setting up and satirising not just superhero culture but using the keeper of the peace mentality to take huge swipes as the current American administration. It’s certainly in these scenes featuring the Seven when Ennis can present material that genuinely is shocking as opposed to simply gratuitous that The Boys is at its best.

There are also one or two moments in each issue that leave one floored with their stylistic bravura. For example, in issue one when nice guy Wee Hughie is talking with his girlfriend, the reader is given a double whammy when A –Train flies past and slams her into the wall, killing her. Brilliantly presented in itself, it’s the following image with Wee Hughie left holding her torn off arms that has the power to amaze and disturb, Again, shock revelation tactics are used in Issue 3 as a thrilled Starlight meets her hero, Homelander for the first time as she has just asked to become a member of the Seven. He seems like a nice upright, virtuous guy in the Superman mould until we turn the page and see him trousers dropped, telling her to give him a blow job or go back home to the Young Americans (a small league superhero team). Ennis doesn’t just settle back on one shocking image, but builds the scenario effectively as, thinking that she’ll be rescued by the other seven members as they turn up, rather than helping, they also drop their trousers and her woes are increased threefold.

The Boys is an uneven comic book that I suspect will only begin to garner any serious praise when collected in TPB form. For every superlative moment there is a scene that takes things too far (The CIA woman who desperately fucks the Butcher, whom she despises, for example). Sometimes this simply looks immature, at others it could be accused of misogyny or distastefulness.
The character of Wee Hughie is generally enough to bring the story back on track and I suspect that in future issues we’ll see Hughie rebelling against and having to make difficult decisions whether to side with or against The Boys whose ethos is little better than the Supers that they are fighting against.
Narratively, there’s also little to cling on to, trading as it does on those key moments and images that really ram home the satirical nature of the comic but which may not be enough for those who just want some action.

Its an easy enough title to recommend though, as long as you have an idea of what you’re getting into when you pick this one up, you should be fine!

meethraa
11-15-2006, 12:46 PM
I think that's the first time I've ever seen anything favorably compared to a Dolph Lundgren movie.
Hey! He has a few good ones!

Though I suspect that the comparison came in way of Punisher.

Lance
11-15-2006, 01:59 PM
Hey! He has a few good ones!

Yeah, Lundgren was in Masters of the Universe. It really was his best film.

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