The Nick Cave Discussion/Respect Thread

[Lord of Nonsensical Crap]

Hello all.

I recently purchased the greatest hits CD of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, and all I can say is . . . .wow. The guy's a brilliant songwriter, and his songs are bleak enough to give Leonard Cohen a run for his money. "Red Right Hand" and "The Mercy Seat" are now two of my favourite songs (though "The Carny" is also in there), but every other song on there is also effin' brilliant.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on Nick Cave?

[the film freak]

I love his stuff. Just had Loverman playing.

[howyadoin]

Anybody who's a Cave fan - and lots of people who might not be - should rent The Proposition. Great, great movie.

[Ill Communication]

Oh wait, here's a question for you boys ... I try and extoll the greatness of Waits, Cave, and Dylan into the Girl ... who apparently "Doesn't Get" Bob Dylan.

Then she came up with this little nugget:

"Boys need songwriters like them because men have repressed feelings."

I don't think my feelings are repressed, but there's nothing better than sitting and drinking while listening to them.

Discuss.

[the film freak]

She probably has a point. But just say if you liked Bright Eyes and Elliot Smith and let all those feelings out she would be more then a little freaked out.

[Ill Communication]

The funny thing is she likes both those guys, but not the aforementioned crooners.

[Adam Crocker]

Then she came up with this little nugget:

"Boys need songwriters like them because men have repressed feelings."

I don't think my feelings are repressed, but there's nothing better than sitting and drinking while listening to them.

I think my feelings are repressed, but honestly I'm not sure if I could apply my situation to all their other fans (especially since I'm very socially inept compared to most people).

But really, I think her point is silly. Not that there isn't a gender divide in popular music. It's that somehow it exists due to the collective personal failings of men as opposed to the gender divide in society being reflected in popular musical tastes where men and women look for different things in pop music (which is also reflected in choice of film and books).

And what does she mean by her statement anyways? That the three songwriters you mentioned have repressed feelings? Or percisely the opposite, that men need an artistic outlet for the catharsis of their feelings?

[Ill Communication]

I'm gonna tell her that Adam Crocker said her viewpoint is silly, because she's a girl. She'll hate that!

[Ill Communication]

that men need an artistic outlet for the catharsis of their feelings?

That was her gist. I think it's kinda corny too. The whole conversation came up when we were on a 3 hour road trip to MI, and I put in the new Dylan CD.

The biggest audacity was that Dylan was the default. I wanted to listen to Chocolate and Cheese, but she decried Gener and Deaner's cover as mysoginistically sexist.

Anways, we were rolling along and she said she just didn't understand why people liked Bob Dylan. I said he an artist of the people, and I would take Dylan or the aformentioned Cave and Waits over Van Morrison.

[Lord of Nonsensical Crap]

Anybody who's a Cave fan - and lots of people who might not be - should rent The Proposition. Great, great movie.

Yeah, I wanted to see that in theatres, but I'll have to settle for renting it.

[the film freak]

The funny thing is she likes both those guys, but not the aforementioned crooners.

You should put some Elliot Smith on in the car when you're with her and start crying halfway through the song.