Who could have died in Civil War #4?

[o1pickleboy]

I have been thinking since reading civil war 4. That it may have been better in a member of the pro side died it would have been better. Namely with the pro causing the dead of a anti, reader support has shifted more in the anti favors causing a major lopsideness in opinion. Civil War was cool because of the great debate. Now It seems like a majority has been achieved.

How I see it. Had by some reason. The anti got ahold of the 'Cloned Thor" and used him.(maybe thinking he was the real thor) Then Thor killed a member of the pro side. The debate would have reheated and the story and debate would have reached a new level. With the pro being to blame for cloning Thor and the anti's for killing a hero.

Now with that all being said. I would like to hear your opinion of who could have died in my scenario and your feeling on my suggestion.

[Magneto Rocks]

I originally had Yellowjacket pinned as the one who would die. He's been a major player in the Marvel Universe, but isn't used in any current books and wouldn't hurt sales. Would have had much more impact IMO.

Would also have had Avengers fans swearing and ranting yet again. ;)

[a-spidey]

i agree, maybe would have shift the balance a little bit. But i don't know what happens in the next books.

anyway, yellowjacket would have been my choice too

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

That happened in Front Line, albeit not with such A-list characters. Thunderclap (anti) inadvertently killed Bantam (pro) in the course of resisting arrest.

[XPac]

That happened in Front Line, albeit not with such A-list characters. Thunderclap (anti) inadvertently killed Bantam (pro) in the course of resisting arrest.

I wouldn't exactly call Goliath an A list character either though... so maybe they're almost even.

But I think it really needed to be an ANTI that died. They needed some PRO's to switch sides so Tony would need to use the New TBolts. So for advancing story purposes it really needed to go the way it did.

I don't think having a even number of people on both sides of the debate was ever really a high priority for them, nor should it have been to be honest.

[tedward1984]

We might still see a Pro get axed methinks. In the Civil Way files, Iron Man made a big deal about Hercules being a lose canon. Because of that, I was actually half expecting him to take out a Pro in #4.

[XPac]

We might still see a Pro get axed methinks. In the Civil Way files, Iron Man made a big deal about Hercules being a lose canon. Because of that, I was actually half expecting him to take out a Pro in #4.

The thing is though, there are only so many people on either side that would be willing to kill someone else (and that even applies to hot heads like Herc). Even people like Logan and Punisher wouldnt' kill another hero just because of this registration thing.

Though I suppose accidental deaths are always a possibility.

[o1pickleboy]

True, that a member of the pro side was killed by a anti in front lines, but the inpact of it wasn't major because of the character used. Plus the major players were involved at all.

I just thought that if Captain America's Secret Avengers had caused the death of a pro side. It would have greatly fueled the debate among us fans. Now it seems like fan opinions strongly lean in favor of the anti's.

My personal choice would have been Nighthawk. Of course he would had to be a member of the pro side instead of the anti for it to work. Because his death could have gotten Dr Strange and Val involved. The could have revealed that Thor was a clone and destroy the fake.(revealing to the anti side that the pro's are cloning heros) Then stayed on Cap's side to make sure they don't accidently cause anymore death.

Another thought I had to add to my scenario is that U.S Agent should have been a major player and supporter of the pro side. I could had seen him in the battle trying to save Nighthawk, being phyisally prevented by his superiors. Because they didn't want to lose him a diehard supporter for Nighthawk who has anti simpathy. Also I could see in the same attack that killed Nighthawk injured Spider Man. Causing Peter to wonder why agent didn't help him and learning what his superior did.

[Magneto Rocks]

The thing is though, there are only so many people on either side that would be willing to kill someone else (and that even applies to hot heads like Herc). Even people like Logan and Punisher wouldnt' kill another hero just because of this registration thing.

Though I suppose accidental deaths are always a possibility.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised at ALL if the Punisher did actually.

[Haunt]

too bad Disassembled occurred. my choice for Civil War death would have been Scott Lang. he's got very close ties to Tony Stark, Hank Pym, and the Fantastic Four. but he also respected Captain America (literally dropping everything to meet him somewhere, once). i would have had him be reluctant to register at first but be personally talked into it by Stark. and, as an incentive, maybe they'd offer him help getting custody of his daughter back. then during the Clor battle, he'd discover that his daughter is on the other side of this fight. he'd probably die taking a Clor-bolt meant for Cassie. i think his death would further polarize the sides; more than Bill Foster maybe.

[Atom_basher]

I think Hawkeye should have returned in civil war issue 3 and died issue 4

[XPac]

True, that a member of the pro side was killed by a anti in front lines, but the inpact of it wasn't major because of the character used. Plus the major players were involved at all.

I just thought that if Captain America's Secret Avengers had caused the death of a pro side. It would have greatly fueled the debate among us fans. Now it seems like fan opinions strongly lean in favor of the anti's.

My personal choice would have been Nighthawk. Of course he would had to be a member of the pro side instead of the anti for it to work. Because his death could have gotten Dr Strange and Val involved. The could have revealed that Thor was a clone and destroy the fake.(revealing to the anti side that the pro's are cloning heros) Then stayed on Cap's side to make sure they don't accidently cause anymore death.

Another thought I had to add to my scenario is that U.S Agent should have been a major player and supporter of the pro side. I could had seen him in the battle trying to save Nighthawk, being phyisally prevented by his superiors. Because they didn't want to lose him a diehard supporter for Nighthawk who has anti simpathy. Also I could see in the same attack that killed Nighthawk injured Spider Man. Causing Peter to wonder why agent didn't help him and learning what his superior did.


Nighthawk is actually a spy for the Grandmaster, so if he was killed off he might end up ticking off the Grandmaster and the Squadron Sinister. Then again, they might not give a dam.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Tigra's been popping up with the pro side here and there, and she's got expendable written all over her.

[Baltho08]

Nighthawk is actually a spy for the Grandmaster, so if he was killed off he might end up ticking off the Grandmaster and the Squadron Sinister. Then again, they might not give a dam.


LoL @ how this statement was phrased: okay, so a dead guy would piss off a criminal............why would that matter, though? What could Grandmaster or the Squadron Sinister do to Nighthawk that dead wouldn't already have done? LoL...don't mean to be an ass, but the way that was said in that statement I quoted was funny to me, is all....
Peace.

[Baltho08]

Tigra's been popping up with the pro side here and there, and she's got expendable written all over her.

Tigra's apparently slated to switch sides over to the Anti side as per a Namor cover coming up where she's on Namor's team (he's DEFINITELY anti). You're right, she's very expendable, but I dunno if she'll be on the pro or anti side at the time of her death.
Peace.

[saintsaucey]

The thing is though, there are only so many people on either side that would be willing to kill someone else (and that even applies to hot heads like Herc). Even people like Logan and Punisher wouldnt' kill another hero just because of this registration thing.

Though I suppose accidental deaths are always a possibility.

Actually Punisher is supposed to rack up quite the body count in war journal. though i think it will be villians. it will be interesting to see who he goes after

[rwe1138]

I think Hawkeye should have returned in civil war issue 3 and died issue 4

That would have been hilarious. The only thing funnier would be bringing him back and then killing him in the same issue.;)

[rwe1138]

Or kill him multiple times in one issue.

[CMBMOOL]

Yellowjacket should have died instead of GOliath, he a lamer superhero than Goliath ever was. :mad:

[ADamiani]

Yellowjacket should have died instead of GOliath, he a lamer superhero than Goliath ever was. :mad:

Yes, but a teeeeeeny little shoebox grave wouldn't have made as cool a visual!

[Jadeskies]

They should of killed someone that made a difference that they were dead. Someone important, it just makes Marvel look weak.

[maniacmatt]

They should of killed someone that made a difference that they were dead. Someone important, it just makes Marvel look weak.
A death in general made a lasting effect. Look how many new recruits Cap got after Goliath died.
That said, I had my money on the Falcon. Cap's best friend would have had an enormous effect. More so than Cap or Iron Man dying I think.

[EZMOHR]

Actually Punisher is supposed to rack up quite the body count in war journal. though i think it will be villians. it will be interesting to see who he goes after


I thought I read Stilt-Man was who he was going after first.

[jade_nova]

Some other underused black superhero.:)

[The Foreigner]

They should of killed someone that made a difference that they were dead. Someone important, it just makes Marvel look weak.

I really don't understand this point of view.

Goliath's death did make a difference; that was the point. If Captain America, Iron Man, Daredevil, Spider-Man-- Anyone "big" was killed, it's a guarantee they'd be back within months; a year at the most, because of their popularity.

Goliath, while not a popular character, does have an extensive history within the Marvel universe, and his death was a strong statement to people on both sides of the war. He'll most certainly stay dead too-- How does a permanant death make less of a difference than one that will be forgotten shortly after?

[mattx110]

I thought I read Stilt-Man was who he was going after first.
it's not the real stilt-man anyway, so he's pretty much fair game.

[Haunt]

I really don't understand this point of view.

Goliath's death did make a difference; that was the point. If Captain America, Iron Man, Daredevil, Spider-Man-- Anyone "big" was killed, it's a guarantee they'd be back within months; a year at the most, because of their popularity.

Goliath, while not a popular character, does have an extensive history within the Marvel universe, and his death was a strong statement to people on both sides of the war. He'll most certainly stay dead too-- How does a permanant death make less of a difference than one that will be forgotten shortly after?


but he wasn't even an active hero. he was, literally, drug out of retirement to die in this war. heck, until this thread, i hadn't given it another thought. seeing Spider-man getting beaten up meant more.

[Lunal]

I think Hawkeye should have returned in civil war issue 3 and died issue 4

Yeah, him and Wanda Maximoff could return at the same time, them he would die and Wanda would immediately alter reality so that Civil War never actually happened. Its a win for everyone! Well, except for Hawkeye.

[StoneGold]

Tigra's apparently slated to switch sides over to the Anti side as per a Namor cover coming up where she's on Namor's team (he's DEFINITELY anti). You're right, she's very expendable, but I dunno if she'll be on the pro or anti side at the time of her death.
Peace.
Because A: covers are always exact representations of what is going on inside the book, and B: Tigra on the cover proves that she isn't still a spy somehow.