CBR NEWS: "Nextwave" to Finish with #12, To Continue with Mini's

[Jonah Weiland]

Warren Ellis announced today that his series "Nextwave" will finish with issue #12, but the news isn't all bad -- "Nextwave" will continue as a series of mini-series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8633

[Atom_basher]

that sucks..well atleast this leaves Monica Rambeau as an option to rejoin the avengers

[Expletive Deleted]

As long as we still get the occasional dose of NEXTWAVE goodness, I'm fine with it.

[Ryan Day]

I'm disappointed, since Nextwave is one of my favourite books. But at the same time, I think it's best to do the book in short doses: Come back for an annual next year, maybe a miniseries the next.

At this point, it's hard to see another creator taking over the book. I think it might be harder to replace Immonen than Ellis; while I think someone like Brian Vaughan could write a great comedy book, I don't know what artists could fill Immonen's shoes. Skottie Young, maybe, or a tooned-up Adrian Alphona.

[Jake V]

I never really expected Ellis to go beyond 12 issues on the book, so I'm surprised that it'll continue in some way. I'm glad they're "ending" it like it is, because it would really weird without Immonen.

[The Fury]

"#11 even features a twelve-page spread that you'll have to buy six copies of the comic to assemble into its full splendour. Everyone wishes I'd thought of that eight or nine months ago."
The marketing genius.

I can't afford that...hmm, I think I'll buy 2 copies and cut one up.

[JimmyDee]

Glad to hear it'll be continuing in some fashion. "Nextwave" is seriously some comicy goodness. Although, I must admit "Nextwave" without Stuart Immonen would be odd -- I hope they can keep him for the minis, or at least on covers.

[drwho]

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the series was going to only be for 12 issues?

[streator]

i've enjoyed nextwave but i'm not sure that i'd pick up future minis about it.
i'm glad that whenever more nextwave hits it will be ellis/immonen again. if a different creative team were to take on the book i would be even less likely to pick it up.

[ultramandingo]

[BAD SIGNAL]NEXTWAVE: The News
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:40:51 EDT
Okay. I just this second got the go-ahead from Nick Lowe to talk
about
this. So here we go:

Sales on the singles are okay, if not great. Sales on the first
collection
have apparently been terrific.

We were on such a roll with NEXTWAVE that I was actually into the
idea of doing a second year, which is highly unusual for me and
work-for-hire properties. So Marvel sat down and looked at the
numbers,
as they wanted to do a second year too.

What they found was that, at our current sales levels, they could
afford
for me to write it, but not for Stuart to draw it. Stuart, as a
Marvel-exclusive artist, commands a fee commensurate with his
astonishing talent. I'm WFH-exclusive too, but they just send me
whisky and loose women and I'm fine. So, basically, I could continue
to write NEXTWAVE, but we'd need to find another artist. This, to me,
was just wrong. I mean, Stuart would obviously be given a far better
job that had actual readers attached to it, but it still seemed a bit
like
the numbers were conspiring to fire him for doing his job too well.
Everyone at Marvel pitched in to try and make it work, but the
numbers were just against us.

So NEXTWAVE #12 will be the final issue of the ongoing series.

(To clear up a common misconception: NEXTWAVE was always
pitched as an ongoing series. However, my original intent was to
do 12 and then pass it on to someone else. This got garbled,
somewhere down the chain of communication, and so the first
issue or two got solicited as "part xxx of 12".)

However. The numbers game changes when you posit things in
terms of limited series.

NEXTWAVE #12 will be the last issue of the ongoing series: but
there will be more NEXTWAVE to come, presented as a sequence
of limited series.

This was all worked out some months ago, so I had plenty of time
to work the final NEXTWAVE sequence into a conclusion of sorts.
#11 even features a twelve-page spread that you'll have to buy six
copies of the comic to assemble into its full splendour. Everyone
wishes I'd thought of that eight or nine months ago.

That was the news. Return to your duties.

-- W

(feel free to copy and spread far and wide, thereby saving me the
job.)

[drwho]

Well poo on MArvel for bad marketing. I didnt stick with the book cus I was under the impression that it was a mini series and lately I've been waiting for trades for mini series.

[Ryan K]

I'm OK with this. I love Nextwave, but I don't think getting it in limmited doses such as the occasional mini series is a bad thing. There are times when reading it ongoing that things feel repetitive and maybe the minis will clear that up for me.

[Zero Hunter]

Sales on the singles are okay, if not great. Sales on the first
collection
have apparently been terrific.



Sales were okay? I thought it was one of the lowest selling mainstream titles Marvel has. I am pretty sure it was in the bottom 3 or 4 anyway.

[Fixx]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

this is one of my fave books right now, its got the perfect balance of humour, action, and interesting storylines... just goes to show you how you can take a buncha random characters and with the right writer you can make them awesome!! I havnt liked meltdown this much since that issue of X-Force where she took down the blob single handed (I think it was issue 51 or 52... if you dont have it go get it!! she kicked ASS in it!!!)

[shaunyc56]

Soooo, your dissapointed?

[Young Avenger]

I was sad and angry when I found out of Nextwave cancellation. I was worried that I would never get my Dirk Anger fix. So I'm glad they are continuing the series with minis.

[Sgt. Preston]

Seems like we're still going to get Ellis & Immonen on the minis so, if anything, we are getting more Nextwave with the current creator team than what was originally slated if the intention was for Ellis to pass it on after #12.
Since this means keeping the same people on board for more issues it sounds like a blessing to me.

[Paul McEnery]

Marvel are just total freaking morons.

Obviously a large chunk of Ellis fans wait for the trade. The freaking HARDCOVER trade is doing well, and I'm still waiting for softcover.

Clueless clueless clueless.

[Brandon McKinnis]

I read two issues of this...it's supposed to be funny right? I just thought it was kind of dumb, I've seen a lot of people bitch about mischaracterization in the marvel U and this is IMO the worst...I guess it sucks for it's fans, getting canceled and all, but I never really got the joke I guess.

[blackphoenix]

I read two issues of this...it's supposed to be funny right? I just thought it was kind of dumb, I've seen a lot of people bitch about mischaracterization in the marvel U and this is IMO the worst...I guess it sucks for it's fans getting canceled but I never really got the joke I guess.

Ditto.
Soory Mr. Ellis(that is you as username ultramandingo, right?), but this book was just way too...out there for me. Not out there as in it sucked, but it just wasn't my thing.

But kudos on the Captain @*^%* thing. Genius.

[ultramandingo]

Ditto.
Soory Mr. Ellis(that is you as username ultramandingo, right?), but this book was just way too...out there for me. Not out there as in it sucked, but it just wasn't my thing.

But kudos on the Captain @*^%* thing. Genius.


genius yes . ellis no

at leat it ended before they handed it over to millar ( thou the captain kickin the crap outa a thor clone would be kinda cool)

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

simply the best marvel book out now!!

yes, better than runaways, better than dr strange, better than x-men! simply cool, and will be so sad it's going away :( :( :(

[DocBrass]

so...where are the winners of the coloring contest that CBR and Marvel did? :)
I never heard back on my submittal.

[NickThompson]

Marvel are just total freaking morons.

Obviously a large chunk of Ellis fans wait for the trade. The freaking HARDCOVER trade is doing well, and I'm still waiting for softcover.

Clueless clueless clueless.
Considering we have speculation and they have actual numbers, I think we are the clueless :)



so...where are the winners of the coloring contest that CBR and Marvel did? :)
I never heard back on my submittal.
Ha, nor me. They tease us with our crayola efforts!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Well, with Ellis writing New Universal and Thunderbolts for Marvel, on top of his indie work there's plenty of other stuff for Ellis fans to look out for.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

none of that stuff captures the brilliant feel of nextwave though. it's not warren's greatest work, but it's certaimnly the most fun book i have ever read

[dopexvii]

NOooooooooooooo now how am i supposed to get my precious X-51 fix !?!
HOW!?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

none of that stuff captures the brilliant feel of nextwave though. it's not warren's greatest work, but it's certaimnly the most fun book i have ever read

Yeah, I know what you mean, but if it's a case of breaking it up by replacing the artists I'd rather have it as complete, with the odd mini-series.

[SalazarSleaze2]

I read two issues of this...it's supposed to be funny right? I just thought it was kind of dumb, I've seen a lot of people bitch about mischaracterization in the marvel U and this is IMO the worst...I guess it sucks for it's fans, getting canceled and all, but I never really got the joke I guess.


I agree.

Nextwave is probably the most overrated tripe Marvel has released this past year, and its tepid sales prove that this was more internet hype than anythine else.

[Ryan Day]

I agree.

Nextwave is probably the most overrated tripe Marvel has released this past year, and its tepid sales prove that this was more internet hype than anythine else.

Sales don't prove anything other than "books without A-list characters or massive continuity implications don't sell in the direct market." I mean, if you want to believe that Civil War is the best comic anyone has published in the past five years I suppose you can; just don't say it was because it sold more copies than anything else.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Sales don't prove anything other than "books without A-list characters or massive continuity implications don't sell in the direct market." I mean, if you want to believe that Civil War is the best comic anyone has published in the past five years I suppose you can; just don't say it was because it sold more copies than anything else.


Exactly. Popularity does not equal quality.

[Expletive Deleted]

Keep it civil, people. That means no "innocuous" flamebait, either.

Thanks.

[ultramandingo]

Sales don't prove anything other than "books without A-list characters or massive continuity implications don't sell in the direct market." I mean, if you want to believe that Civil War is the best comic anyone has published in the past five years I suppose you can; just don't say it was because it sold more copies than anything else.


x-actly. mc donalds sells "billions" of big macs , but ill stick to non road kill taste'ing food stuff thank yoos . and hey, if you wana eat it , make shur too get a big jim jones collector glass of kool aide to wash it down with. "thankyoucomeagain"

[PanzerMega]

Well, this sucks.

[SalazarSleaze2]

Exactly. Popularity does not equal quality.

And non-popularity doesn't equal quality either.
Thus we have Nextwave, not popular and not a quality product either.

[Mr.Musgrave]

And non-popularity doesn't equal quality either.
Thus we have Nextwave, not popular and not a quality product either.


Yeah, you're too cool for school. We get that. Thanks for playing. Next?

[Ham Sammiches]

I don't really care about whatever argument is going on here, but in defense of Next Wave at least I get a few chuckles every week. And I dig the art. And I also always thought that Nick Fury was kind of a freak. And it's good to see at least one writer acknowledges the fact that some of the Marvel characters would be like 80 at least. (I'm sure they wrote those ungodly old WWII flashbacks out of FF continuity, they're there I assure you with Ben and Reed fighting Nazis and all) But yeah, sales don't always equal quality. Look at say, much of New Avengers. And many of the old Image books from when they were stupid huge.

Pretty much, here's your key to sell a book: get Michael Turner to do a cover, make a variant cover or five with limited cirulation, dip the whole thing in chromium and put it in a time machine, or put some titties on the cover. Oh, and promise to kill someone or have Wolverine on the cover.

[PanzerMega]

Nextwave has great art, a unique look, and is at least a somewhat original book in the Marvel Universe.

I can see why some people may not like it, but to say it's not a quality product is odd.

I'll miss it, regardless.

[Joe Franklin]

Nextwave has great art, a unique look, and is at least a somewhat original book in the Marvel Universe.

I can see why some people may not like it, but to say it's not a quality product is odd.


Quoted for the truth. Marvel is not publishing, nor has ever published a superhero comic book that even resembles Nextwave in the slightest, which is why it is so cool and original.

[Zero Hunter]

Nextwave has great art, a unique look, and is at least a somewhat original book in the Marvel Universe.

I can see why some people may not like it, but to say it's not a quality product is odd.

I'll miss it, regardless.


And on the flip side having a small vocal minority going on and on about how it is the best book in the last 20 years is equaly as odd.

If it was trully the greatest thing ever more people would have been reading it. It was a niche book that was really liked by a small group of fans, and pretty much ignored by the rest.

[Annie get your Rum]

And on the flip side having a small vocal minority going on and on about how it is the best book in the last 20 years is equaly as odd.

Ditto.

If it was trully the greatest thing ever more people would have been reading it. It was a niche book that was really liked by a small group of fans, and pretty much ignored by the rest.

I read the first two issues and ignored the rest;it all came down to a personal assessment:The book was bad, and yes, I know that is an opinion.
But I am sure that a lot of people had the same opinion, it's not like the book was so under-advertised that if more people had discovered it , they would've loved it. (like what seemed to have happened with The Thing.)

Marvel marketed the hell out of this book, and it actually debuted with not terrible numbers, but the orders kept on dropping and dropping...clearly not too many readers stayed onboard...and I can only imagine that people dropped it because they thought it was a bad book.

[Ryan Day]

If it was trully the greatest thing ever more people would have been reading it. It was a niche book that was really liked by a small group of fans, and pretty much ignored by the rest.

Which, let's face it, also describes almost all of Marvel and DC's publishing output.

If you're going to use sales numbers to back up statements about quality, eventually you've just got to conclude that most comics are pretty crappy - or at least uninteresting to a majority of people - given the limited audience. A decent seller is 50,000, and a hit is 100,000? Out of a couple hundred million people who know how to read? Compared to sales 20 or 40 years ago?

If comics were any good, more people would read them. Why the heck are we wasting our time on them?

[ultramandingo]

" and pretty much ignored by the rest.".........so "the rest " can ignore this......


[BAD SIGNAL]NEXTWAVE #9 Preview

WE

http://www.popcultureshock.com/nextwave-9-preview/40485/

-- W

............go drool over your polly baged "secret wars" or somthin

[Michael P]

Replace "Nextwave" with "Thing," and we've had this thread already.

And for the record, they were both standout books.

[Brandon McKinnis]

I can't stand the solicits for Nextwave, I mean I already said I don't get it..but it's like a seventh grader wrote these things...*Next Issue*...People get kicked and there are 'splosions, and...arggghhh, snap into a slim jim..OHH YEA!!!*

[ultramandingo]

I can't stand the solicits for Nextwave, I mean I already said I don't get it..but it's like a seventh grader wrote these things...*Next Issue*...People get kicked and there are 'splosions, and...arggghhh, snap into a slim jim..OHH YEA!!!*


solicitation for# 9
THE STORY:
This solicitation text will be in the form of haiku:
Nextwave fights Beyond
Who has hired Not Brand Echh,
ACTION, SURPRISES!
I hope you have a box of tissues handy, because I know you must be crying.

OHH YEA!!!

[jester1436]

I've picked up every issue, and it's not good as a Marvel comic at all. As a comic, it's an overhyped flop with goofy villains and horribly mangled versions of some semi-beloved characters.

But as a snarky cartoon divorced from all of that, it works. It's like the comic equivalent of Adult Swim - which would be horrible as a comic. Nextwaves was made for late night cartoonage, not for comic books. As a comic, it fails. As a cartoon or even a theoretical cartoon, it's gold.

[Zero Hunter]

" and pretty much ignored by the rest.".........so "the rest " can ignore this......


[BAD SIGNAL]NEXTWAVE #9 Preview

WE

http://www.popcultureshock.com/nextwave-9-preview/40485/

-- W

............go drool over your polly baged "secret wars" or somthin

Did I say anything that was not the truth? Is it or is it not one of the lowest selling books marvel has been putting out even after it reacived more hype then most books that come out thesedays. So screw you. There is nothing worse than the egotistical fanboys who for some reason think there taste is oh so much better than the rest of us. So go right on beliving that your somehow special because you like this comic.

[Expletive Deleted]

*ahem*

I don't care who likes what and really I don't care why. I do, however, care that people stay civil.

Just something for everyone to keep in mind.

Thanks.

[Editor]

I buy Nextwave every month because it never fails to make me laugh.

It's such a welcome change from all the angst in the MU at the moment.

Sure it's ridiculous, but it's well aware of this and it's kind of the point.

I'll miss it.

[Expletive Deleted]

Let it go.

[Editor]

Let it go.

I will miss it but In a way i'm glad it's finishing. I wouldn't want it to get stale.

And I'll have the minis to look forward to every so often.

[newscott]

I buy Nextwave every month because it never fails to make me laugh.

It's such a welcome change from all the angst in the MU at the moment.

Sure it's ridiculous, but it's well aware of this and it's kind of the point.

I'll miss it.


I'll miss it too. What I love about it is, it knows it's insane. It Knows it's ridiculous. And yet, the book slams itself into continuity of the MU. There was that flashback scene with Captain Marvel in the Avengers, gawd, it still cracks me up.

[Brandon McKinnis]

solicitation for# 9
THE STORY:
This solicitation text will be in the form of haiku:
Nextwave fights Beyond
Who has hired Not Brand Echh,
ACTION, SURPRISES!
I hope you have a box of tissues handy, because I know you must be crying.

OHH YEA!!!

I didn't mean that was literally the next issues solicit just that that's how it always comes across to me.

[the4thpip]

that sucks..well atleast this leaves Monica Rambeau as an option to rejoin the avengers
And go back to the kitchen? Never!

[Grizsly]

Ha ha!

So I was all pissy when I found out that Nextwave #12 was to be the last issue. A boatload of folks were dissappointed, and all the haters rejoiced.

Well screw all those haters!!! NEXTWAVE will contuinue!!!

Okay. I just this second got the go-ahead from Nick Lowe to talk about this. So here we go:

Sales on the singles are okay, if not great. Sales on the first collection have apparently been terrific.

We were on such a roll with NEXTWAVE that I was actually into the idea of doing a second year, which is highly unusual for me and work-for-hire properties. So Marvel sat down and looked at the numbers, as they wanted to do a second year too.

What they found was that, at our current sales levels, they could afford for me to write it, but not for Stuart to draw it. Stuart, as a Marvel-exclusive artist, commands a fee commensurate with his astonishing talent. I'm WFH-exclusive too, but they just send me whisky and loose women and I'm fine. So, basically, I could continue to write NEXTWAVE, but we'd need to find another artist. This, to me, was just wrong. I mean, Stuart would obviously be given a far better job that had actual readers attached to it, but it still seemed a bit like the numbers were conspiring to fire him for doing his job too well.
Everyone at Marvel pitched in to try and make it work, but the numbers were just against us.

So NEXTWAVE #12 will be the final issue of the ongoing series.

(To clear up a common misconception: NEXTWAVE was always pitched as an ongoing series. However, my original intent was to do 12 and then pass it on to someone else. This got garbled, somewhere down the chain of communication, and so the first issue or two got solicited as "part xxx of 12".)

However. The numbers game changes when you posit things in terms of limited series.

NEXTWAVE #12 will be the last issue of the ongoing series: but there will be more NEXTWAVE to come, presented as a sequence of limited series.

This was all worked out some months ago, so I had plenty of time to work the final NEXTWAVE sequence into a conclusion of sorts. #11 even features a twelve-page spread that you'll have to buy six copies of the comic to assemble into its full splendour. Everyone wishes I'd thought of that eight or nine months ago.

That was the news. Return to your duties.

This rocks.

It's refreshing to see I ain't the only one who enjoyed Ellis' crazed departures from the stoic, old fashioned formulaic nonsense that seems to pervade the shelves month in and month out.

NEXTWAVE - healing America by beating people up! YOU GOTTA LOVE IT, FOLKS!

[Beast]

This is old news. There's even a thread about it already.

[Grizsly]

Yes and we all see that now.

That does nothing to my excitment at the continuation of a funny as hell series like NEXTWAVE.

Thanks.

[Slade.]

Warren Ellis is an emo jerkass.

[Expletive Deleted]

Warren Ellis is an emo jerkass.Well, that's constructive.

[Beast]

Well, that's constructive.
It's Titan Slade. Did you honestly expect anything better?

[Expletive Deleted]

I live in hope.

[Mox Monkey]

First post...

I picked up the first Premiere Edition collection of this based on a recomendation by a friend. Best Marvel comic I've read in a long time.

I don't understand the hate for it, really. It's not like it's a central book in Marvel continuity or contains life altering events for any of the characters. It's just a fun, well written and beautifuly drawn comic. It has style and a very real sense of humor. If it's not for you, it's not for you, but I think it's a lot more mainstream (not in the comicbook-world sense of the word) than other posters are giving it credit for.

Hell, it has it's own theme song and myspace page! How can you hate something that treats itself so irreverently?

Anyway, I'm sad to hear that the series is ending. I'm looking forward to a (hopefully) second hardcover of the second half of the main series and any collections of additional minis the title generates.