It seems like those who we thought were dead are coming back to life...

[CMBMOOL]

It feels like the comics we know and love are changing over the years and those we thought dead in the silver age and bronze age of comics are now returning to life.


An example is Captain America's sidekick Bucky, who we thought was dead turns out was alive and brainwash by the Russian army. :(

Then there's Batman's second Robin Jason Todd, who was killed by the Joker was return to live by the ways of IC and the Lazarus pit.

Finally Spider-man's Uncle ben who has always been dead is now back in an alternate reality form.

While the latter was an excuse to tie into DC Infinite Crisis and Spidey's uncle is a plot of Peter David, the Former's death has been recon into Marvel History.

It seems like those we thought were precious to the hero's stories is now destoryed and now it seems like a former dead hero will return in the mist of Marvel Civil War, what is the world of comics coming to ? :confused:

[Expletive Deleted]

. . . So?

"Uncle Ben" isn't the real thing and Bucky hasn't been an integral part of Cap's story since Stan was writing him. Regardless, there's nothing sacred about continuity. If someone can get a good story out of it while still remaining true to the character, what's the problem?

[Beast]

Bucky - To be fair, Bucky didn't originally die in the 40's anyway. Captain America and Bucky continued on into the 50's, etc. Bucky's death and Steve's fall into ice were a retcon introduced in the 60's for Avengers. It was retconned that the Caps and Buckys after WW2 were actually other people who had taken up the mantle. And there never was a body recovered and there was only Steve's account of what he believed happen. Not to mention, I hear good things about Brubaker's Captain America and Winter Soldier.

Jason Todd - Eh. The results for the phone in were close anyway. And like Bucky, at least they did something different with him. I don't read DC, so I can't say too much. But there have been a lot of retcons due to Superboy Prime's reality punching whackyness. I'm more annoyed by the pointless deaths from IC.

Alternate Uncle Ben - Doesn't count. Isn't the same person that they knew.

[Punch]

In comics, it's weird to stay dead.

[Beast]

In comics, it's weird to stay dead.
Yep, now they just need to bring back Thunderbird to finish off the returns of the 'Long Dead Trio'. :D

[Kaos]

maybe synch an skin can come back :D

[Syzygy]

. . . So?

"Uncle Ben" isn't the real thing and Bucky hasn't been an integral part of Cap's story since Stan was writing him. Regardless, there's nothing sacred about continuity. If someone can get a good story out of it while still remaining true to the character, what's the problem?

The problem is that Stan Lee's original idea for Marvel's comic-book characters was that they were like us, but with powers. They loved, lost, bickered, and cried.

Now, there's no longer loss.

When Grant Morrisson was plotting out his run on X-Men, he originally wanted to use Moira MacTaggert (scientist) and Colossus (Strength, vusuals). When he heard they were deceased he chose Beast and a "diamond-bodied" Frost instead because, "The X-Men, like us, know loss."

It used to be that Captain America, like us, knew loss too. No longer.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Kaos]

isn't bucky his enemy though..thats a kick in the balls isn't it?

[Deus ex Chris]

Regardless, there's nothing sacred about continuity. If someone can get a good story out of it while still remaining true to the character, what's the problem?
I completely agree.

It used to be that Captain America, like us, knew loss too. No longer.
So Captain America only knows "loss" through Bucky? What about the fact that he was frozen in a block of ice for years, only to be revived to discover that everyone and everything he knew and loved moved forward without him? You don't think that might help him "know" loss?

[Expletive Deleted]

It used to be that Captain America, like us, knew loss too. No longer.Sure he does. He's the man out of time. Every year takes us farther and farther away from the era he knew. If Stan thought the '60s would be a lot to process, just imagine the '90s. Almost everyone he knew and loved is dead or changed.

[a-spidey]

bucky is back ?, opps, didn't know that. But i don't read CA at the moment.

i have no problem with bringing them back, as long as the story is really worth it. Only to bring someone back because you have no better idea would be pretty low.

[StoneGold]

More to the point, Bucky came back every couple of years or so, like clock work. It just always ended up being a robot, or a clone, or a time-displaced version, or some kind of Cosmic Cube wackiness, or what have you. Seriously, how many times now has Cap "lost" Bucky?


This is only really an issue because for three or four years, there were no resurrections.

[lordlad]

I dunno. Bucky used to be such a lame ass character and always is just a plotpoint by creators to show us Cap's guilty (which has been done to death).

The Winter Soldier shows how much he kicked ass (seriously, he's one of the 'new' characters right now that i really like) and finally we don't have to read stories about robotic bucky again.

[Verydopey]

i know what's being said. there Were 3 untouchable dead characters in comics before, Bucky, Uncle Ben, and Jason Todd

Bucky was the only good resurection. i've not read the uncle ben one, but jason todd was awful. it started pretty much the same as bucky. but instead of an assassin, he was like the punisher. anyways. it sucked

[Lanowar]

To be honest the only death that should never be touched is Captain Marvel's death from Cancer because it's a powerful moment in comicdom. That not every battle can be won by having superpowers.

I know there's "The Return" which I'm hoping is someone else getting the title of Captain Marvel and not Mar-Vel himself.

[ednemo]

Best Return Ever: Colossus in Astonishing X-Men!!

I liked Bucky's return, but I am not a fan of Uncle Ben coming back. It was always a rule. "No one stays dead in comics, except Uncle Ben Parker."

[Beast]

Best Return Ever: Colossus in Astonishing X-Men!!
Meh. The visual of Colossus' return was great. The storyline behind it, not so much.

[Hippy-san]

problem with it is demand; unpopular characters stay dead and the one's fans wanna see come back
trouble with that is some respectable deaths get overlooked and the possible ramifications get wiped over with the 'surprise of their return'
bottom line-give it a writer or two and Gert will come back-hell, I'm gunnin' for Alex

[Niro]

Sometimes the way they kill off characters and bring them back is just unbelievable.
Sometimes you think the way a character is proved not to have actually died is quite clever and interesting, eg. Collossus. But other times its just weird and doesnt make sense

[Black Atom]

. . . So?

"Uncle Ben" isn't the real thing and Bucky hasn't been an integral part of Cap's story since Stan was writing him. Regardless, there's nothing sacred about continuity. If someone can get a good story out of it while still remaining true to the character, what's the problem?

The fact that it's hopelessly short-sighted in a medium of ongoing serialized fiction? You can only write a story about the world blowing up once. How many stories can you write about loved ones dying, then coming back from the grave, before they've lost any impact? For the answer to that, check out the Spider-books. Usually it's a sign of laziness when dead characters mysteriously resurface, which is why soap operas rely on it so much. That's not to say you can't get a good story out of it, but of all of the times dead people have come back in comics, how often was it for a good story and not for some desperate grab for the status quo on the part of creators who are out of ideas?