Rate from 1 to 10, 10 being Awsome, 1 awful. [Archive]

knightsintights

10-15-2006, 04:02 PM

Mia

10-15-2006, 04:21 PM

I pretty much agree with you. Except for M/F--I'd give it a 5 out of ten. Simply because I didn't like the way that Bruce/Batman was written.

the goddamn batman

10-15-2006, 06:20 PM

Under the Hood-9
I loved it, I thought it was great writing.

Seriously? I thought it was terrible. I thought the art was sub par, on both teams. I thought the writting was boring. Black Mask talks like a teenager. Nevermind the complete ridiculousness of the fact that he has EARS!??!? He's a skull/head/mask thing... there is no reason for him to have ears!

All that aside, it took the only death in the entire DCU that ever meant anything and shit on it.

As well as the promise Denny Oneil made. Which in and of itself should be a crime. And Didio should pay for it.

This is one of the only times you'll catch me being 'that comic fan'. At least Frank Miller goes nuts outside of continuity.

carabas

10-15-2006, 06:28 PM

officer Down-9

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive-9
A bit too long.

Hush-2
Completely disregards the consequences the massive cross-over that just finished. Pretty but vapid art.

Broken City-7
Different...

As the Crow Flies -5
Good effort, marred by Winnicks fascination for big, hulking monsters.

War Games-0
For Obvious Reasons.

War Crimes-3
Why ruin a perfectly good character? no need.

Under the Hood-9

Mon-el

10-15-2006, 07:24 PM

Officer Down - 7

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive - 5

Hush - 9

Broken City - 2

As the Crow Flies - 3

War Games - 0

War Crimes - 0

Under the Hood - 8

Damo

10-15-2006, 09:22 PM

Too short a list! This is a sampling from the last few years, and a small sampling at that.

Officer Down-6 (needed a better personality for the killer. "I'm evil" is dull.)

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive- 6 flawed but goot. But those flaws were big enough to drag the grade way down.

Hush-3 ALL three points go for the big reveal with the Riddler.

Broken City-0

As the Crow Flies -4 Some nifty ideas, but oy that Scarebeast...

War Games-0.5 Utter bollocks. I liked a few things in it (the "unpainted" Scarface, the Catwoman fight against Zeiss) but they were barely a part of it.

War Crimes-0 And only because I can't give negative numbers.

Under the Hood- 3 I like the idea of a new "Red Hood" (such a great monkier), and one that hunts villains might be okay... but Jason? Oh hon, no...

Man... I sound like I really haven't been enjoying the Bat books at all lately... I've enjoyed some!

For the record, 9/10 and 10/10 are not things I give out like candy. 10/10 is stuff like "Daughter of the Demon", "The Question", "The Man Who Laughs", and "Killing Joke". 9/10 is stuff like "Batman: Sword of Azrael", "Huntress: Cry for Blood". I'd put "Batman and the Monster Men" down at 8/10.

TheTen-EyedMan

10-15-2006, 11:30 PM

Officer Down - 4

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive - 0

Hush - 9 (it looked pretty and there was girl on girl macking)

Broken City - 6

As the Crow Flies - 5

War Games - 0

War Crimes - 0

Under the Hood - 6 (for the Amazo thing)

the goddamn batman

10-15-2006, 11:36 PM

Hush-3 ALL three points go for the big reveal with the Riddler.

Cheers, for that!:D Best thing Loeb ever did was give Riddler some love.

The only 10/10 I'd give out in recent Batman stories is, Detective #821.

What a great start to Dini's run. Now, the story really was not much above good. But, good is a lot better than most of what we've been seeing lately...imo.

But, Williams came in and just hit it out of the park... from the ink washes, to the painted panels of the moon moving across the sky, and ending with the bird on the telephonepole... man, nobody has bothered with that kind of awesome in a Batman comic in a while. Well, not a regular issue anyway.

If Williams was the regular artist on all of the Dini issues, it would seriously be my favorite run on Tech, in jsut about... ever!

Now, if only Williams would come back! Though, with 7 soldiers done, I think that is the plan!

TheTen-EyedMan

10-15-2006, 11:37 PM

That brings up a question.

Are we accepting the "it's better than the other stuff" because of that...or is it that good?

The Xenos

10-16-2006, 12:24 AM

officer Down-7 or 6
It was a decent story. Though I hated how it took out two favorite cops from the Bat books.

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive-5
It was very itneresintg but seemed sloppy and over blown. Plus doing it as a crossover was tiresome already.

Hush-4
I've vented too much. It was a big mish mash of villians, reherrings, a piss poor mystery that created more questions than it solved. We also got a lame new villian in the center of it. Plus it pales compared to Loeb's other works. I don't care how nice the art was, it stunk. Plus the hype just made it wrose.

Broken City- 5
Wasn't great. Wasn't bad. Didnt feel like mmuch of anything.

As the Crow Flies -6
Eh. It was ok. Nothing too big.

War Games-4

War Crimes- 0
I almost felt like smashing open the bus window and tossing out the damn book on that last issue. Complete nonsensical character assaination for quick drama. Way to contradict and discard a 30 year old character and spit on the grave of another fan favorite.

Under the Hood-5
Jason Todd should have stayed dead. I wish Winick could have just told a good Batman story instead of inventing this oddball scenario. Though yeah, teh Amazo bit was nice.

the goddamn batman

10-16-2006, 01:19 AM

That brings up a question.

Are we accepting the "it's better than the other stuff" because of that...or is it that good?

I honestly think Dini's run on Tech has been great, minus the art. Williams raised the bar very high in my mind. Don Kramer is no slouch, and he's better than the Poison Ivy issues art team... but neither of them are Williams.

That aside. Dini's storyies have not been mega important earth-shattering-character-changing arc that leave everything back at the status quo. They have simply been good Batman stories. About Batman the detective.

Doesn't really get better than that for Tech in my mind.

So, Dini's run not being 'special' is what makes it special, to me.

The Batman TAS font isn't hurting anything either.;)

dancj

10-16-2006, 04:25 AM

officer Down-7
Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive-6
Hush-3
Broken City-5
As the Crow Flies -6
War Games-6

Choppa

10-16-2006, 07:02 AM

Murderer-10
Fugitive-0

TheTen-EyedMan

10-16-2006, 07:56 AM

I honestly think Dini's run on Tech has been great, minus the art. Williams raised the bar very high in my mind. Don Kramer is no slouch, and he's better than the Poison Ivy issues art team... but neither of them are Williams.

That aside. Dini's storyies have not been mega important earth-shattering-character-changing arc that leave everything back at the status quo. They have simply been good Batman stories. About Batman the detective.

Doesn't really get better than that for Tech in my mind.

So, Dini's run not being 'special' is what makes it special, to me.

The Batman TAS font isn't hurting anything either.;)

Goshdarn, I don't know how old you are but I've been reading Batman for 30 years this year so I've seen a lot of good, very good and great Batman. Perhaps I've have crap force fed to me over the last ten years so I can't see goodness when it's given to me.

I feel an Ennui about the whole thing.

Damo

10-16-2006, 09:27 AM

Dini's stuff? I don't play "better than what we've been getting" when grading, I compare to everything we've ever gotten. I'd say the first issue was an 8, as good as "Batman and the Monster Men", or "Batman Year One" (although since it's a single issue and not a long story, so I'd say it was easier to pull off an "8" for Dini). After that it's fallen to a 7, with the Ivy issue maybe a 6. Still probably the best run we've had in years, but more "solid" than "spectacular".

Edit: Oh, and Ten Eyed... I have nothing against that gal, whoever she is, but I miss your old avatar already. =*(

elias_A

10-16-2006, 09:55 AM

officer Down-5
The Batman characterisation was Ok, but I don't like that his friendship with Gordon becomes so important it turns into an important emotional weakness; emphasizing Gordons role just makes me think each time how unlikely it is Gordon is trusting a person with a mask on.
Also I hated it they removed Bullock for years just to have a short story about a moral dilemma.

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive-7
Batman 600 was great, also the strained relations between Batman and his allies, but the concept of putting Wayne under murder suspicion is rather cheap. Also, ass. editor M.Wright (I think it was him) promised each part of the crossover would contain a clue, which was an outright lie.

Hush-5
Acceptable as a Best-of rollercoaster ride through batman's world, but the story itself was rather weak. Also, Lee is obviously a great artist, but his Gotham was much to bright-coloured for my taste.

Broken City-2
I stopped reading it after the first issues.

As the Crow Flies -5
If Winnick had focussed on giving Scarecrow a girlfried and a human side, he could have been the first to realise the characters potential. Instead, same old feargas-hallucinations.

War Games-4
As a Spoiler fan, I hated the outcome of course. nevertheless, the final could have been good and dramatic if Black Mask had had a capable bodyguard like Zeiss or Mr. Fun, and he, not Oracle, had blown up the clocktower.
Also, the whole concept had a fatal logical flaw: If Spoiler had started Batman's plan despite knowing hundreds would be killed, she would have been evil. If that was not in the original plan, it makes no sense events still were recognizable to the plan later.

War Crimes-1
Awfull.

Under the Hood-5
Jason as an angry teenager and Batman's nightmare could have worked. But just putting him against Black mask was a total mistake - Jason seems invincible from the start, so why does it take so long to take Black mask down?

I will add:

No man's land: 8
The first half was great, but after Batman and Gordon were friends again, it became rather boring - the Joker and Luthor story I didn't like very much.

Batman: Family - 9.5
Great, great, great!

Monster Men: 8

Man who laughs: 8

carabas

10-16-2006, 10:54 AM

Choppa

10-16-2006, 12:10 PM

Does anybody think that Murderer/Fugitive (as far as I'm concerned one of the best Bat-crossovers ever) would be better rated if its conclusion hadn't been completely discarded one month after Brubaker and Rucka ended their runs on Detective and Batman?

Defenitly. And what would have made it even better is if it had a conclusion. Instead we got Batman hunting some drug dealing man/bird hybrid.

brundlefly

10-16-2006, 12:14 PM

OFFICER DOWN -7
I liked the concept better than the execution, but it held together well and showed how much of an emotional center Gordan was for the extended Bat Family. Points off for taking Bullock out of the mix at the end, though.

MURDERER/FUGITIVE -8.5
I thought it went a little long, but loved so much about it: the concept and the initial story execution during Murderer, the investigation and layered reveal of 'whodunnit' in Fugitive, the roles of Sasha, Checkmate, and Deadshot in the followup. I mark it down for running long and losing some of its focus in Fugitive, but I still really enjoyed it. Ranks first out of the stories in the thread for me.

HUSH -3.5
Pretty to look at, but the story was very weak and it torpedoed the development and potential storyarcs leading out of M/F in favor of All Hush, All The Time and The Adventures of Jason Todd, which is what annoyed me the most.

BROKEN CITY -7.5
I'm in the minority (and being a 100 Bullets fan I knew what to expect going into it), but I liked it. Self-contained, no long-reaching ramifications (for instance, we don't see Killer Croc still running around looking like a pimp), it was a Batman short story by Azzarello & Risso, which is exactly what I figured it would be. Some complaints I've seen about it were similar to the ones about his work in "For Tomorrow" (i.e. "I don't understand what's going on/can't follow the story") and for readers not familiar with his writing style, I can see that as a realistic problem.

AS THE CROW FLIES -4
It wasn't that bad....until Crane ended up actually being the Scarebeast and was outwitted by his own lab assistant. Very anticlimactic.

WAR GAMES-2
Too long, too drawn out, Orpheus and Spoiler both killed unnecessarily just to elevate Black Mask to "big time" villain. Could have had the same result (Batman now at odds with Gotham police and less reliant on Oracle) in a smaller, more contained storyline.

WAR CRIMES-1
War Games itself was too long; this "sequel" was unneeded, as it's only purpose was an illogical smear job on Leslie Thompkins.

UNDER THE HOOD-1
Judd Winnick's favorite comic book character returns from the dead!! Deadlier than the Punisher, more ruthless than any Gotham villain and smarter/tougher/better than even Batman himself!! Sure he is, Judd.... :rolleyes:

sly_kat

10-16-2006, 12:49 PM

OFFICER DOWN -7
Good concept, showed the bat family on an emotional level especially after all the No Man's Land had been drawn out. Showed that when the day comes down, the ramifications will always be felt.

MURDERER/FUGITIVE -9
On of my favorite crossovers, just drawn out too long.. near the end it got sorta nixed and the supposed 'conclusion' got thrown on the back burner:p

HUSH -8
I really liked Hush and the art was oh so pretty to stare at! However i think it coulda been one more issue longer, and that after this, it became a coherent crap adjustment to the Many adventures of your friendly neighbor red hood...

BROKEN CITY -9
Great story though if you dont really follow Azz's writing style its kinda hard to follow continously, but great self containted:).

AS THE CROW FLIES -1.5
It started off ok, but Winick decided that a giant scarebeast that resembled the scarecrow HAD to be the scarecrow... add that to a giant beast outmatching everything else in the story, and having his lab assistant outwit him... and her to never be seen again... til Winick writes batman again...ugh

WAR GAMES-1
Crap... too long... crap... black mask tortues everyone for kicks... kewl in a creepy way... but spoiler killed by unnecessary ramifications... even orpheus bought it cause he 'took off' his helmet.. throw in dr. death and a pissed off GCPD and you got one hell of a crossover.

WAR CRIMES-1
A crappy story which was too long and wasnt needed and managed to ruin Dr. Leslie T.. for no reason but just cause'

UNDER THE HOOD-1
Judd decided that the Amazing Adventures Of Jason Todd should be the Amazing Adventures of the Ultimate Unbeatable Bad-a$$ RedHood, which made all the fan girls (including Judd) go 'woo... Jason Todd is back... you show em big boy";)

knightsintights

10-16-2006, 02:20 PM

UNDER THE HOOD-1
Judd Winnick's favorite comic book character returns from the dead!! Deadlier than the Punisher, more ruthless than any Gotham villain and smarter/tougher/better than even Batman himself!! Sure he is, Judd.... :rolleyes:

ha ha your right

BeastieRunner

10-16-2006, 05:41 PM

Officer Down - 1

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive - 2

Hush - 8

Broken City - 10

War Crimes - 1

War Games - 3

Under the Hood - crap, 1, F--, etc.

cadmium_blimp

10-16-2006, 06:10 PM

The only one of those I've read is the Fugitive part of Murderer/Fugitive. I didn't think it was all that great, but all I had to compare it with was DKR and Year One.

the goddamn batman

10-16-2006, 06:38 PM

Goshdarn, I don't know how old you are but I've been reading Batman for 30 years this year so I've seen a lot of good, very good and great Batman. Perhaps I've have crap force fed to me over the last ten years so I can't see goodness when it's given to me.

I feel an Ennui about the whole thing.

Mid 20's. Been reading Batman for about 20 years. Not buying every single issue, but here and there, and picking up trades.

I'd agree that Dini's run has been 'solid' over 'spectacular', but like I said, with recent Batman stories being as poor as they are, solid is spectacular.

TheTen-EyedMan

10-16-2006, 08:09 PM

Mid 20's. Been reading Batman for about 20 years. Not buying every single issue, but here and there, and picking up trades.

I'd agree that Dini's run has been 'solid' over 'spectacular', but like I said, with recent Batman stories being as poor as they are, solid is spectacular.

Going from poop to chocolate.

carabas

10-17-2006, 06:58 AM

Defenitly. And what would have made it even better is if it had a conclusion. Instead we got Batman hunting some drug dealing man/bird hybrid.

Eh?
That was in part 8.
It went to 18. The ending was a showdown with Cain.
If you read that in trades, you may have missed one of them.

But the real ending, the pay-off of the Sasha subplot, and how the whole ordeal fundamentally had changed Batman, took place after the event, in the few remaining issues of Brubaker's and Rucka's tenure on the main books.

And lasted all of two months before Loeb torpedoed it and resurrected the BatDick again without as much of an explanation in Hush.

Choppa

10-17-2006, 08:59 AM

^I meant Batman confronting Luthor for masterminding the whole thing. He never even bothered to go after him.

brundlefly

10-17-2006, 09:40 AM

^I meant Batman confronting Luthor for masterminding the whole thing. He never even bothered to go after him.

That was one of the things I hated about HUSH, since it derailed the looming Bruce/Batman vs. President Lex feud, which had been brewing since No Man's Land (plus they had also faced off in JLA before) and after the end of M/F, Bruce was definitely going to be in a mindset of "Oh, it's on now, buddy!" That feud could have been a great, great storyarc of it's own, too big for just a one-time confrontation at the end of FUGITIVE. Instead, we just got a throwaway line from Bruce about Lex "costing him a year of his life" at the end of the dreadful S/B: PUBLIC ENEMIES arc. Very anticlimactic and a wasted opportunity.

Choppa

10-17-2006, 11:38 AM

^Yeah I know, I've said that many times before.

carabas

10-18-2006, 05:52 AM

^I meant Batman confronting Luthor for masterminding the whole thing. He never even bothered to go after him.

Now how am I supposed to get that meaning from that bird-mutant drug dealer remark?

Batman versus Lex was clearly sheduled for Batman/Superman (damn you Loeb, for catastrophically frelling up what should have been an all-time classic). Batman taking down president Lex was not a natural part of Bruce Wayne: M/F. It was a character driven tale about Bruce finally breaking down, and finding himself again, with him at the end fully healed from Tower Of Bable and überBatdick nonsens.
Such an event would never take place within the Bat books anyway.

And as has been pointed out, it already was a bit too long.

Damo

10-18-2006, 06:53 AM

brundlefly

10-18-2006, 07:35 AM

Murderer= Star Wars.
Fugative=Empire Strikes Back.
Batman/Superman=Return of the Jedi.

You don't know Empire for not having the conclusion (even if you think Jedi sucked). It was wrapping up a lot of things that had been started, giving some revelations as fuel for the fire, but it was always meant to be a setup for another story. Judge it on it's own merit.

Good analogy, and pretty similar in terms of story quality (although I enjoyed the flawed Return of the Jedi far, far more than the hideous Superman/Batman PUBLIC ENEMIES arc).

carabas

10-18-2006, 10:03 AM

Dc should just strike the entire Loeb run on S/B from canon, and have Rucka do a mini that tells the story about how Luthor really lost the White House.

Damo

10-18-2006, 10:08 AM

No, it shoudln't. I mean, I would adore that if I could be sure no harm would come of it, but it sets a dangerous precident.

Choppa

10-18-2006, 10:28 AM

Murderer= Star Wars.
Fugative=Empire Strikes Back.
Batman/Superman=Return of the Jedi.

You don't knock Empire for not having the conclusion (even if you think Jedi sucked). It was wrapping up a lot of things that had been started, giving some revelations as fuel for the fire, but it was always meant to be a setup for another story. Judge it on it's own merit.

Are you serious? The Star Wars films are part of a saga, so you know that the next installment will tie up loose ends. There's no official connection between Fugitive and S/B, so it shouldn't be excused because it doesn't have an ending. Murderer doesn't end w/Bruce clearing his name because that story focuses on the murder. Fugitive focuses on him clearing his name and going after those that were responsible for framing him. If S/B was supposed to be a third part, the title should have tied in to the previous stories. Or at the very least, there should have a bridge at the end of Fugitive to S/B so that we know to expect more to come.

brundlefly

10-18-2006, 10:44 AM

Dc should just strike the entire Loeb run on S/B from canon, and have Rucka do a mini that tells the story about how Luthor really lost the White House.

I would adore that if I could be sure no harm would come of it, but it sets a dangerous precident.

Oh, I would kill for that to happen. That PUBLIC ENEMIES arc just made me so angry while reading it, seeing how Murderer/Fugitive, President Lex, Our Worlds At War, and other stories all led up to this anticlimactic, nonsensical "showdown," that I would gladly accept any bad precedent that would be set by undoing it. Actually, Loeb himself retconned so much of his own run with that 'Mxy's magic reset button' business at the end (leaving only PUBLIC ENEMIES in continuity) that, between Mxy and Infinite Crisis, you could believably just cleansweep PUBLIC ENEMIES out, too, and blame a Bats/Supes vs. Prez Lex "redo" on either of those scapegoats without creating too much of an uproar. Eh, wishful thinking......

Constantine Drakon

10-18-2006, 01:51 PM

Are you serious? The Star Wars films are part of a saga, so you know that the next installment will tie up loose ends. There's no official connection between Fugitive and S/B, so it shouldn't be excused because it doesn't have an ending. Murderer doesn't end w/Bruce clearing his name because that story focuses on the murder. Fugitive focuses on him clearing his name and going after those that were responsible for framing him. If S/B was supposed to be a third part, the title should have tied in to the previous stories. Or at the very least, there should have a bridge at the end of Fugitive to S/B so that we know to expect more to come.

The analogy makes sense to me. I don't know how anyone could walk away from Fugative saying "I guess that was meant to be the end and he's not going after Luthor". It was obvious that he was going to. Fugative didn't give any specific connections or bridge to S/B because nobody writing Fugative knew how the whole thing was going to be resolved, just that Bats was going to go after Luthor. And S/B didn't give and specific connections or bridge to Fugative because... S/B sucked.

(I think the Matrix Trilogy would be a better analogy though. Good start, then starts having problems, and the ending makes you want to go HUH?)

Choppa

10-19-2006, 08:36 AM

The analogy makes sense to me. I don't know how anyone could walk away from Fugative saying "I guess that was meant to be the end and he's not going after Luthor". It was obvious that he was going to. Fugative didn't give any specific connections or bridge to S/B because nobody writing Fugative knew how the whole thing was going to be resolved, just that Bats was going to go after Luthor. And S/B didn't give and specific connections or bridge to Fugative because... S/B sucked.

(I think the Matrix Trilogy would be a better analogy though. Good start, then starts having problems, and the ending makes you want to go HUH?)

The Matrix analogy is good because the second one ended with a cliffhanger like Fugitive, and the third gave a weak one line explanation. For Batman it was the one line in S/B "You took away a year of my life" and for Matrix it was "You were able to stop those machines because you're connected to the source because you're the one."

stealthwise

10-19-2006, 09:25 AM

I didn't dig any of them, Hush especially. I'd say that Broken City was probably the best, but I honestly don't remember what the hell happened in it.

I'd put Face the Face above any of those, but even that would only get about aa 6 or 7 from me.

Lorendiac

10-19-2006, 12:34 PM

Rate from 1 to 10, 10 being Awsome, 1 awful. What did you guys think of these series and why?

officer Down-4

Dragged out too long. I couldn't really see why every single Bat-related book had to devote one issue to it. And I agree that it was disappointing that the shooter was some fool we'd never heard of before. Also, the ending was confusing, felt like a few pages were missing -- I wasn't sure what had happened to the shooter or why, until it was cleared up issues later in another story.

I have to split the Bruce Wayne: Murderer and Bruce Wayne: Fugitive things into separate items to vote on.

Murderer: I'll give it 9.

The Fugitive portion: 4. It dragged on and on, with some of the stuff having very little to do with the problem, and it made no sense to me that Batman was willing to turn his back on that murder case for so long (near as I can recall) before finally a dying old ex-cop manages to persuade him that maybe he really ought to go back and take a fresh look at all the evidence! Also, I thought the solution to the mystery was a disappointment.

Hush-3. I kept waiting for the story to make sense and explain its own plot holes, and it (generally) kept failing to do so. The revelation that Tommy Elliot was evil was no surprise at all. A couple of years ago I wrote a parody of Hush to poke fun at all the cases where the characters did exceptionally stupid things just because that was the way Jeph Loeb wanted them to behave!

Broken City-
I don't know. I haven't even bothered to read it, after things I heard about it.

As the Crow Flies -
I haven't even bothered to read it.

War Games-2
When I finally got around to reading it in TPB, it bored me in some places and made me want to scream in other places.

War Crimes-
Haven't read it, but I'm tempted to give it a 1 on general principle.

Under the Hood-
Haven't bothered to read it.

Gary Joyce

10-24-2006, 10:38 AM

Officer Down- 8
I liked this story .The fact guy who did the shooting was just a nobody made this better as not every crime in gotham has to be done be a member of the rogues gallery.

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive- 5
The premise was good and it had it moments but overall wasnt excuted as well as it could have been.

Hush- 7
When you read it all in one go it doesnt suck as much as some people say.Theres still a few niggles for me but its a fairly good Btaman story.

Broken City- 8
Love this story only thing that ruins it is the Killer Croc pimp.

As the Crow Flies - 2
Awful why ruin a perfectly good villain for the sake of a gimmick like the Scarebeast.

War Games- 3

Far too long and didnt hold my interest.

War Crimes- 0
Pointless assasination.

Under the Hood- 6
Parts of it were good some bit niggle me the whole jason being back for one but done well in parts.

TROUBLEZ

10-24-2006, 06:25 PM

officer Down-don't know

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive-5
-the 10cent incentive couldn't make me appreciate this story. I just thought the premise could have been done better maybe. It was just whatever imo.

Hush-9
-I thought the story was pretty good until the last 2 or 3 issues, because you knew by that time that all the stuff that was set up couldn't be explained and topped in one final regular sized issue, and the last chapter was just silly. C'mon the Riddler? There were too many red herrings with Tommy to actually make him the villain. A little kid plotting to murder...
Anyway, the art was fantastic, even surpassing his X-Men run in parts, the dialogue was written great, characters I actually like appeared, mystery, action, Jim Lee ditching the Image style and making use of multiple panels and page. Probably the best run of Batman I've read.

Broken City-5
-Sad way to follow up Hush. Save this for LOTDK, not the main Bat Title.

As the Crow Flies -dont know

War Games-5
-Black Mask, who should be called Skull Face, is a weak villain, the death wasn't needed, didn't make sense.
War Crimes-6
-This made absolutely no sense in regards to Leslie's character. I'm not a fan of the characters self riteous hippie b.s. but she was always written well, and I later appreciated how she was a critic of Batman and yet one of Bruce's closest friends and ally. She doesn't believe a serial killer/mass murderer should be put to death or killed to save innocent lives, but let's a girl vigilante die, so Bruce would never put a young persons life at risk again. Stupid.

Under the Hood-5
The only interesting thing was the fact that Jason came back from the dead. The story wasn't that exciting, for being a short arc it felt padded,...what else...it just could have been better. If the story had had some passion, or something maybe i would have liked it, but it seemed they had a gimmick and relied soley on that gimmick.

Choppa

10-25-2006, 08:55 AM

Hush-9
-I thought the story was pretty good until the last 2 or 3 issues, because you knew by that time that all the stuff that was set up couldn't be explained and topped in one final regular sized issue, and the last chapter was just silly. C'mon the Riddler? There were too many red herrings with Tommy to actually make him the villain. A little kid plotting to murder...
Anyway, the art was fantastic, even surpassing his X-Men run in parts, the dialogue was written great, characters I actually like appeared, mystery, action, Jim Lee ditching the Image style and making use of multiple panels and page. Probably the best run of Batman I've read.

There are clues for the riddler. And those are some pretty major complaints, yet you still give it a 9 and deem it potentially the best run you've read?

carabas

10-26-2006, 03:13 AM

What, pray, were the clues for the Riddler?

Choppa

10-26-2006, 09:46 AM

What, pray, were the clues for the Riddler?

Man, how many times do I gotta say this-

The kidnapped kid in the first issue was named Eddie and remember how Batman thinks to himself, "the answer is in the details." Also all of his villians were committing acts well above their normal M.O., except for the Riddler. Harley's message about not sticking to the script alludes to that as well.

Krypton King

10-27-2006, 05:16 PM

Officer Down: 7
Hating losing Bullock, but it was solid from start to finish

Murderer/ Fugitive: 6
good in most spots and Batman 603 is one of the best Batman issues I've ever read

Hush: 5
fun story and Jim Lee's best art ever (which isn't saying much)

Broken City: 2
awful, why was Roger Moore in the Bat suit again?

As the Crow Flies: 2
boring, both story and art

War Games: 2
an out of control mess

War Crimes: 3
not so bad until the end

Under the Hood: 4
pretty good for Winick, bonus point for the Superboy Prime continuity punch

Mister Mets

10-27-2006, 05:44 PM

Rate from 1 to 10, 10 being Awsome, 1 awful. What did you guys think of these series and why?

officer Down-7
I liked this story but the guy who did the shooting was just a nobody. It could have been better

Bruce Wayne Murderer/Fugitive-10
I loved this story, crossover, It is what made me start collecting comics again.

Hush-4
Story sucked art was pretty cool.

Broken City-2
Frank Miller Dark Knight returns rip off. Ive never like azzarellos writing.

As the Crow Flies -8
I loved this Batman. Winick wrote him perfectly. Finale was ok, Could have done better with identity of the Scarebeast

War Games-6
Ok, I think the whole story could have been told in fewer issues, Did not like outcome, or death.

War Crimes-6
Why ruin a perfectly good character? no need.

Under the Hood-9
I loved it, I thought it was great writing.

What do you guys think?

I'll go with the two I've read....

Broken City- 10
Lovely Risso art. An actual mystery. Intriguing new villains. Great takes on some B-list villains. Great brief appearance by the #1 villain. The idea of Batman possibly causing the death of two parents was excellent. Batman as crime noir, and it worked well. One of the best Batman stories in recent years, and I hope the excellent current creative teams can top it.

Hush- 8
I admit I'm enjoying it more than I did initially. Jim Lee drawing the major Batman villains, allies, and Superman is the best part, but I'm glad Jeph Loeb knew that's what fans wanted the most. It loses some points for the rushed ending/ sense it's repeating the still superior Long Halloween.