Civil War: The Return

[MakeshiftHero]

Anyone have any guesses as who could be the main character of
Civil War: The Return?

[John Doe Jnr]

Thor or Captain Marvel.

[Taniwha]

Thor or Captain Marvel.

I wish it were Scarlet Witch coming back to reality-fiddle this whole thing into RetCon land...

[a-spidey]

ben reilly !!! just kiddin :D

Thor would make sense of course.

[Blackcat]

whay is this all about? Another one shot?

[o1pickleboy]

My guess is Speedball and him trying to repair is image.

[garin]

It's either Captain Marvel coming back from the dead, or Nova/Quasar returning to Earth.

[Omega Alpha]

My money is on Thor.

[Violently Apathetic]

Isn't the symbol on the cover Captain Marvel's, making Genis or the original the most likely....? Or has that been dismissed as a Red Herring?

[Slumber Hulk]

Seems too soon for Hulk, so I'll guess it is Nick Fury.

[TheAmazingSpider-Geek]

Hawkeye is my guess

[TheCrow13]

Hawkeye and witch come back in New Avengers, Nova/Quasar are in Anillation? Hulk on planet hulk, so that leaves us with Fury,SPeedball, Marvel(prob return in Anillation if anything) OR good ole thor

[Expletive Deleted]

Annihilation ends in January. "The Return" comes out in January or February. So that's still a possibility.

The logo, assuming Marvel is playing it straight, means Captain Marvel, Nova, or Quasar.

[FrogMan]

The star on the cover looks like Captain Marvel's star to me.

[SnakeEater]

whay is this all about? Another one shot?

Yeah im with Black Cat on this one, what the hell is everyone talking about...links...confirmation please because this just comes up and i dont see anything anywhere about it

[Expletive Deleted]

It's a tease in this week's Joe Fridays article over on Newsarama.

[SnakeEater]

It's a tease in this week's Joe Fridays article over on Newsarama.


A tease to what? Everything that guy says in his articles arent even anwers, they are all teases

[Cayman]

Probably Mar-Vell, he's the only one whose return would be significant since he's been dead for decades. Quasar already has a mini scheduled and it's described as space-based, as is Nova's ongoing.

[Cayman]

A tease to what? Everything that guy says in his articles arent even anwers, they are all teases

They showed a cover with no explanation to start us comic fans speculating about the book in order to help build interest in it.

[Elegance Liberty]

I'm kinda hoping it's Nova.

So he can tell off Earth's heroes and then go back into space.

[drinkblatzbeer]

it had better not be the original captain marvel...
they've done SUCH a good job of basically keeping him dead...let's leave it that way, since it remains a cornerstone of the 616 MU...

[Cayman]

Here's the solicit:

CIVIL WAR: THE RETURN
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by TOM RANEY
As the Civil War rages, two of the universe’s greatest heroes are confronted with pasts they can’t leave behind in two heart-rendering tales. On Earth, the Sentry confronts his inner demons as the shadows of past and future battles tear him apart. Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom’s greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

Sounds like Mar-Vell to me.

[Magneto Rocks]

Sounds like Mar-Vell but why would he be in 42?

[XPac]

I think Thor is a good guess.

Maybe his hammer is locked up in some lab in 42, and the Hammer is the way Thor ends up returning to earth from whever he was napping.

[Cthulhudrew]

Sounds like Mar-Vell but why would he be in 42?

He wouldn't be in 42, but he might be in the Negative Zone- after all, for much of his existence he was tied to the place.

That said, I think it would be one of the most horrendous ideas ever if they do indeed bring back Mar-Vell.

(For that matter, I don't think it would be all that dramatic and poignant climaxes to Civil War- after all, for all that his legacy outside of comics, Mar-Vell never really played that tremendously vital a role in the 616 verse. I really don't see his return as being anything on the level of 'wow, gee guys. Captain Mar-Vell's return from the dead really showed us all the error of our ways.')

[Magneto Rocks]

I think Thor is a good guess.

Maybe his hammer is locked up in some lab in 42, and the Hammer is the way Thor ends up returning to earth from whever he was napping.

A nice theory, but why the Cap. Marvel logo on the cover?

[Kevinroc]

A nice theory, but why the Cap. Marvel logo on the cover?

To throw people off. DC does it all the time.

[XPac]

A nice theory, but why the Cap. Marvel logo on the cover?

Wow, it is? Geez... they're blatent with the spoilers this time around.

That could means one of two things... either Captain Marvel is the one returning, or Sentry becomes the new Captain Marvel.

[drwho]

I mean was the original Captain Marvel really that great a hero? Captain Marvel was just some guy with the negabands. I dont know why he would be special at all. Here is to hoping Genis comes back. I could probably put up with Sentry being renamed Captain Marvel, but why the hell would he. One theory that is in development is the void only returns when people thinks he is Sentry so he changes his identity and somehow everyone forgets who Sentry is again and the void doesnt return.

[XPac]

I mean was the original Captain Marvel really that great a hero? Captain Marvel was just some guy with the negabands. I dont know why he would be special at all. Here is to hoping Genis comes back. I could probably put up with Sentry being renamed Captain Marvel, but why the hell would he. One theory that is in development is the void only returns when people thinks he is Sentry so he changes his identity and somehow everyone forgets who Sentry is again and the void doesnt return.

Whether Captian Marvel was a great hero or not I suppose is debatable (truthfully I only thing of his I read was his death and he came off great there... but most people do on their deathbed). But I'd argue as far as greatness goes, he's got more claim to the description than Genis does.

Not that I'm against Genis coming back... but he was a pretty lousy hero that did nothing but sully the name Captain Marvel. He was a good character though, just not a great hero.

As for Sentry... he does seem like a very obvious choice to carry the companies name since he in theory is the companies most powerful hero. I think they're kind of trying to retroactively make him one of marvels greatest hereos even though he's really done very very little from the readers perpective.

[Magneto Rocks]

Whether Captian Marvel was a great hero or not I suppose is debatable (truthfully I only thing of his I read was his death and he came off great there... but most people do on their deathbed). But I'd argue as far as greatness goes, he's got more claim to the description than Genis does.

Not that I'm against Genis coming back... but he was a pretty lousy hero that did nothing but sully the name Captain Marvel. He was a good character though, just not a great hero.

As for Sentry... he does seem like a very obvious choice to carry the companies name since he in theory is the companies most powerful hero. I think they're kind of trying to retroactively make him one of marvels greatest hereos even though he's really done very very little from the readers perpective.

In theory the company's greatest hero? We can't state that until we see the much-awaited Thor/Sentry smackdown.

But yeah, I agree- Captain Marvel is haardly worthy of this...

[stillanerd]

As I said over in the Januray solicits preview thread, I'm guessing that:

1. 42 is actually the designation of the hero in the negative zone, not an actual place.

2. That 42 is Captain Marvel, but not really. Rather, it's his clone created by Reed years ago after the original Captain Marvel died, most likely attempt number 42, that was placed into the Negative Zone by Reed because the clone was either "too independent" and thus uncontrolable, or wasn't fully developed yet.

[Young Avenger]

I'm guessing it's Hawkeye taking up the Captain Marvel mantle.

[Bobster777]

I'm going with Thor. I think it would make more sense for Cap Marvel to make his comeback during Annihilation.

[Sean Walsh]

2. That 42 is Captain Marvel, but not really. Rather, it's his clone created by Reed years ago after the original Captain Marvel died, most likely attempt number 42, that was placed into the Negative Zone by Reed because the clone was either "too independent" and thus uncontrolable, or wasn't fully developed yet.

Oh brother. First Thor and now Mar-Vell?! :rolleyes:

Someone at Marvel needs to call Bob Budiansky and Terry Kavanagh and Glenn Greenberg and just say the word "clone." They'll remind Marvel why they shouldn't be going down this road again....

[Mothmonsterman]

Hey, guys, I think I know who it is.

http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/8808/cwreturnsb8.jpg

My guess is Nick Fury. Maybe Thor.

But I'm hoping for Karen Page.

[Will.S]

Oh brother. First Thor and now Mar-Vell?! :rolleyes:

Someone at Marvel needs to call Bob Budiansky and Terry Kavanagh and Glenn Greenberg and just say the word "clone." They'll remind Marvel why they shouldn't be going down this road again....
Captain Marvel was always a good resource for genetic material, Genis and Phyla are perfect examples.

[XPac]

Captain Marvel was always a good resource for genetic material, Genis and Phyla are perfect examples.

And considering that all of Mar-Vells children are either dead or gay (2 out of 3 if I'm not mistaken), I guess cloning is really the only option as far as carrying on the family name.

[Will.S]

And considering that all of Mar-Vells children are either dead or gay (2 out of 3 if I'm not mistaken), I guess cloning is really the only option as far as carrying on the family name.
Pretty much.

[Magneto Rocks]

I still think the only characters who could have the level of impact we're talking about here are Thor or Hawkeye- I just don't think Mar-Vell or any Captain Marvel would really fit.

Although, I must wonder if Marvel want to have a real A-lister Captain MARVEL, all things considered...

Time will tell.

[Pyro]

Mothmonsterman, did you mock up that image with Venom's symbol? I'm seriously asking because if it's a joke I don't get it.:confused:

[Mothmonsterman]

Mothmonsterman, did you mock up that image with Venom's symbol? I'm seriously asking because if it's a joke I don't get it.:confused:

Seriously? I didn't think I was being all that subtle.

I replaced Mar-Vell's symbol with Venom's, thus demonstrating in an even more clear manner how ridiculous it looks when people are holding out hope that the cover is in reference to Nick Fury, Thor, Hawkeye, or anybody other than Captain Marvel.

[Mariah]

Seriously? I didn't think I was being all that subtle.

I replaced Mar-Vell's symbol with Venom's, thus demonstrating in an even more clear manner how ridiculous it looks when people are holding out hope that the cover is in reference to Nick Fury, Thor, Hawkeye, or anybody other than Captain Marvel.
Seriously, I got it. Pure genius.

[Pyro]

Seriously? I didn't think I was being all that subtle.

I replaced Mar-Vell's symbol with Venom's, thus demonstrating in an even more clear manner how ridiculous it looks when people are holding out hope that the cover is in reference to Nick Fury, Thor, Hawkeye, or anybody other than Captain Marvel.
Oh, I see now. Sorry, I'm a little dense today. Maybe my brain is fried from taking the SATs yesterday. :p I couldn't even see the Mar-Vell symbol everyone was talking about until I saw the Venom symbol and looked again.

[XPac]

Seriously? I didn't think I was being all that subtle.

I replaced Mar-Vell's symbol with Venom's, thus demonstrating in an even more clear manner how ridiculous it looks when people are holding out hope that the cover is in reference to Nick Fury, Thor, Hawkeye, or anybody other than Captain Marvel.

Well, like I said in a different post I suppose one could argue it's possible that the Captain Marvel symbol might be in reference to Sentry becoming Captian Marvel while another hero like Thor returns in the negative zone.

Captain Marvel is obvious conclusion... but there's other fun ways he might be able to interpret it that don't necessarily fall into the ridiculous category.

[Mothmonsterman]

I guess there is a remote possibility that it could be some existing character becomming Captain Marvel, although the solicits make that pretty clearly not the case, I think.

But people still desperately hoping "The Return" is in regards to Thor are pretty much grasping at straws.

[Bobster777]

I guess there is a remote possibility that it could be some existing character becomming Captain Marvel, although the solicits make that pretty clearly not the case, I think.

But people still desperately hoping "The Return" is in regards to Thor are pretty much grasping at straws.
Why do you say that? It is clear that Mjolnir landed on Earth and that someone (with initials DB) has gotten it. For sure this person will be the next Thor.

[Pyro]

Yeah, but that story's more likely to be continued in the new Thor series. We've already seen all we need to know that he's coming back. It doesn't make sense to add more to his comeback involving the Negative Zone and 42.

[StoneGold]

I just noticed, the gender of the character in question was obscured, to the point of shifting to plural form.

Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom’s greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize.


Singular in the first reference, "one of," plural in the next. A clue, an attempt to obscure the spoiler, or am I just looking into it too deeply?

[Bobster777]

I just noticed, the gender of the character in question was obscured, to the point of shifting to plural form.

Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom’s greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize.


Singular in the first reference, "one of," plural in the next. A clue, an attempt to obscure the spoiler, or am I just looking into it too deeply?
No, you make a great point there. Ha ha, unless it was a missed grammatical error, it seems there will be more than hero returning. Then again, they do say "one of the Marveldom's greatest heroes..." so most likely it was a grammatical oversight.

[kcaroli]

In the unused scene from the Director's cut of CW 1 Millar had Cap meet a mysterious Col. Blake on the helicarrier prior to facing down the SHIELD agents and escaping.Due to the last name and the cane it was implied to be Donald Blake and so Thor.But there were blacked out sections of the script with just enough hnts of the letters uderneath to roughly puzzle out what was said there. Cap did not recognize the man who was both older and scarred. But 'Blake' knew Cap, though inferrin it had been a long time and he was not surprised Cap failed to recognize him.While the scene was dropped it's not certain the character has been. The unblacked out part states that the impression was intended to be of Donald Blake , hence the 'new' Thor.But 'in reality' it was someone else whoes identity the script does not reveal.The blacked out segment apparently says he is a 'well known superhero who has secretly returned from the future' for purposes unstated. Yet, here he was given supervision over SHIELD. Is he not only the mysterious hero to return via the walls of the prisonin the Negative Zone but also the 'new' director of SHIELD suggested in the issue of SheHulk for January?Admittedly, that director was not named nor a gender given and Hill is new compared to Nick Fury.Still, is she described as the new director elsewhere at this point?
What version of the future this Blake came from and how far off was no said.One of the better attempts to read beneath the blackout indicates that Millar had not yet decided upon Blakes first name so it was not definitely Donald. The name was intended to be a clever anagram of the character's real Identity. Therefore, either Blake was part of that anagram or more likely was a red herring meant to point towards Thor whereas it was the unchosen first name that was to be the anagram.Since it was yet to be chosen then there's no way to know whether it was Captain Marvel or someone else.It was stated that his identity was planned to be revealed in CW6.The timing sounds about correct. Based upon Reading order D.B. retrieved Mjolnir contemporary to CW4 but after the initial battle in it.Since the Battle of Yancy Street was to rescue those captured at the earlier battle the hammer mght actually have been picked up slightly post CW4 expainig why no one in the issue seems to know about it yet as one would expect them to.I would say there is slim likelihood that the hero returning in this tiein could be Thor unless there has been a change of plans recently.The delays might have involved such rewrites though that hasn't been confirmed.

[SamuraiJack]

No, you make a great point there. Ha ha, unless it was a missed grammatical error, it seems there will be more than hero returning. Then again, they do say "one of the Marveldom's greatest heroes..." so most likely it was a grammatical oversight.

Not a grammatical error at all. When trying to obscure gender, you use a vague term like 'they'. If it read 'faced with a universe SHE/HE no longer understands' that kinda narrows it down, right?

[Keith_Martineau]

Marvel isn't exactly subtle these days, and the Q has gone on record as saying they have plans for Captain Marvel, and Teddy over in Young Avengers didn't BECOME him, and they stripped the name from Genis, and then killed him---so yeah, I can see them bringing him back.
Still, seems odd that they'd do it in Civil War. Not saying Annhiliation is a better spot, because it's purpose isn't to be a big Marvel event, it's purpose is to renew interest in the cosmic side of the MU.

Anyway, I can easily see a scenario in my head where Rick Jones doesn't register, but is required to, not because he HAS powers, but because he HAS had powers in the past, been connected to heroes, so on and so forth. He gets tossed in 42, and something happens reviving Mar-Vell. If done right it could be cool.

And Marvel is probably thinking that the majority of their readers don't even really know who Captain Marvel is, the original one anyway, and so they wouldn't be as bothered by the return of the last actual hero to have died, and not been revived ad nauseum.

[Morw]

my guess: They are going to imprison spiderman, and leave him hanging in the 42 for a month, then he RETURN's. Becouse he is the biggest superhero in Marvel.

And he will simply be the one who reveals and turnes the tide. He can go publicly and people will listen to him. He did reveal himself, he did take responsibility and yet with all that they rewarded him with the prison of 42. That would most defently turn the public veiw. ANd the world has changed for spiderman.

[StoneGold]

Marvel isn't exactly subtle these days, and the Q has gone on record as saying they have plans for Captain Marvel, and Teddy over in Young Avengers didn't BECOME him, and they stripped the name from Genis, and then killed him---so yeah, I can see them bringing him back.
Still, seems odd that they'd do it in Civil War. Not saying Annhiliation is a better spot, because it's purpose isn't to be a big Marvel event, it's purpose is to renew interest in the cosmic side of the MU.

He's also made a point of deliberately dropping misinformation at certain points to lead readers to think something else was happening. Remember the "devil of a time" clue, leading many to think that Hawkeye was the fake DareDevil? That's the thing with the Joe Fridays, you have to play some detective work with what is real and what is just Joe playing with the fanbase's perceptions.

[Doom Hammer]

It's pretty clearly Captain Marvel.

If it is, in fact, the good Captain, I will say "toldja so" forever. I have been all over this thing for months.

[Mothmonsterman]

Not a grammatical error at all. When trying to obscure gender, you use a vague term like 'they'. If it read 'faced with a universe SHE/HE no longer understands' that kinda narrows it down, right?

It's a grammatical error any way you slice it, even if it is so commonly used that we don't think anything of it.

[StoneGold]

It's pretty clearly Captain Marvel.

If it is, in fact, the good Captain, I will say "toldja so" forever. I have been all over this thing for months.
Yeah, but when was the last time the mystery thing ended being the obvious answer?

[Mothmonsterman]

He's also made a point of deliberately dropping misinformation at certain points to lead readers to think something else was happening. Remember the "devil of a time" clue, leading many to think that Hawkeye was the fake DareDevil? That's the thing with the Joe Fridays, you have to play some detective work with what is real and what is just Joe playing with the fanbase's perceptions.

There's a pretty big difference between dropping a coy fake hint in Joe Fridays and actually putting it on a comic cover.

[StoneGold]

It's a grammatical error any way you slice it, even if it is so commonly used that we don't think anything of it.
It is a grammatical error, but one that is fairly commonly used. Or at least they is often used when the gender of the party is unknown. Here it is apparently being used to obscure the gender of the party. And I have no doubt that is what is being done. I doubt we've got a team of heroes coming out of this.

[Mothmonsterman]

You're reading way too much into it, I think.

[Doom Hammer]

Yeah, but when was the last time the mystery thing ended being the obvious answer?

Does the return of a legend need to be shrouded in mystery, or does the weight of the thing carry itself? A fine question.

[Dark Phoenix]

There's a pretty big difference between dropping a coy fake hint in Joe Fridays and actually putting it on a comic cover.

Yes, but remember when Colossus came back in Astonishing X-Men. There was art work posted on the web from that issue showing a Phoenix raptor, leading people to conclude Jean was returning (again). However, it turned out to be an intentional misdirection.

So, I wouldn't put it past Marvel to post a cover with the Captain Marvel star on it as an intentional red herring. I am hoping it's not him however. The Death of Captain Marvel graphic novel was so great and it would be nice if they left one person buried.

[Keith_Martineau]

He's also made a point of deliberately dropping misinformation at certain points to lead readers to think something else was happening. Remember the "devil of a time" clue, leading many to think that Hawkeye was the fake DareDevil? That's the thing with the Joe Fridays, you have to play some detective work with what is real and what is just Joe playing with the fanbase's perceptions.

Oh I know, there is always deliberate misinformation. I actually love him for it, because he sends so many people around these boards into a tizzy with this stuff, and half the time, the things he says, at least to me are CLEARLY being said just to get people riled, and they fall for it every time. Anywhooo...

Yeah, I'd be surprised actually if they did have Captain Marvel return this way. It just seems so out of left field that way. Big political storyline, war between heroes---where the heck do they fit in the return of a hero who died of cancer like 20+ years ago? And why in a side comic, and not the main Civil War series?

I was just saying I could see that scenario being how it's done.

[Mothmonsterman]

You guys have put 2 + 2 together with the fact that the guy responsible for this whole ordeal is the same guy who gave Mar-Vell cancer, right?

[Cthulhudrew]

You guys have put 2 + 2 together with the fact that the guy responsible for this whole ordeal is the same guy who gave Mar-Vell cancer, right?

And that means, what, exactly? Nitro has been neutralized already, and he's been shown not to have really been the sole catalyst of things, but just a pawn. So what difference does it make that he is responsible for Mar-Vell having been exposed to the cancerous toxin that ended up killing him?

It doesn't seem to follow, to me, that just because Nitro blew up Stamford that, therefore, Captain Mar-Vell must come back from the dead.

[Berkey]

Iknow this is old and I just dont feel like going through all of this thread but when dose this come out?

[Mothmonsterman]

And that means, what, exactly? Nitro has been neutralized already, and he's been shown not to have really been the sole catalyst of things, but just a pawn. So what difference does it make that he is responsible for Mar-Vell having been exposed to the cancerous toxin that ended up killing him?

It doesn't seem to follow, to me, that just because Nitro blew up Stamford that, therefore, Captain Mar-Vell must come back from the dead.

I'm not saying it makes perfect narrative sense, but then I'm the last person to ever accuse Civil War of being all that well-written to begin with.

I was responding to people who seem to think there is no connection whatsoever between Civil War and Mar-Vell. There is, in fact, a connection.

[Sijo]

Mar-Vell is the best choice for the simple reason that, currently, Marvel doesn't have any active characters under that name. Marvel is always coming up with characters just to secure the name trademarks of inactive/dead characters (Spider-Woman, Warlock, the female Captain Marvel, etc.) This is no joke, DC just lost the rights to Superboy, so Marvel's lawyers must be on the alert. Besides, bringing back the one hero best known for his death would certainly be an unexpected surprise. (And kinda parallels the return of Earth-Two Superman on Infinite Crisis.)

[Bobster777]

I think it would make better sense for Cap Marvel to come back during Annihilation. I think Thanos even made an obscure reference to him during Annihilation #2. I think Cap Marvel's return just would be overshadowed by everything going on in CW. Atleast if they brought him back in Annihilation, he can make a significant contribution such as actually defeating Annihilus.

[sherlockbones]

Mar-Vell is the best choice for the simple reason that, currently, Marvel doesn't have any active characters under that name. Marvel is always coming up with characters just to secure the name trademarks of inactive/dead characters (Spider-Woman, Warlock, the female Captain Marvel, etc.) This is no joke, DC just lost the rights to Superboy, so Marvel's lawyers must be on the alert. Besides, bringing back the one hero best known for his death would certainly be an unexpected surprise. (And kinda parallels the return of Earth-Two Superman on Infinite Crisis.)

can´t they simply do a "what if" story to secure the rights? interesting point, wasn´t aware of that

[Bobster777]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but could Hawkeye be making his return in this issue?

[Cayman]

Is it my eyes, or did they remove the insignia from the solicit of The Return that appears on Newsarama?

[Bobster777]

Is it my eyes, or did they remove the insignia from the solicit of The Return that appears on Newsarama?
Was there one before? I didn't even notice.

[mdg1]

It's still there, just really faint.

[Cayman]

Was there one before? I didn't even notice.

Yes, it was a really pale yellow.

[Nova3333]

Hi All. Just dropping over from my regular haunt at Annihilation. This cover is a real mystery eh? I've seen it on several sites, all thumbnails and yet when you try an download it you can't; even on the Official Marvel site its image not listed! But having managed to get a thumbnail and do a bit of touching up its definately a 8-pointed star. Now today Annihilation 6's preview was released and considering the current narrative/plot its pretty clear that Nova and Annihilus are having their final one on one in that issue, the same month this comes out. Currently Nova bears an 8-pointed star (previously 6 points) which does bear an uncanny sembalance to the late Captain Marvel's motif as well as his later successor Genis Vel, both of whom are dead. Now if I recall Tom Brevoort did say in one of his replies on this forum, or at a convention that Nova will face the ramifications of Civil War sooner or later; Dan Abnett also stated in an interview at Newsrama that Nova will face the ramifications of Civil War in his new Monthly (when that comes out). Now if, and it is a big if (because us Nova fans are on tenderhooks whether the current incarnation will survive to the end of Annihilation and if you haven't been reading the series (and you should as you're really missing out if you haven't!!) life and death of the characters in the mini have been up an' down, here an' there: one minute Super Skrull is dead; next he's alive. Quasar was unnexpectedly killed in Nova 4; now an appearence by "a Quasar" is noted in issue 6.. Now if Rich Rider's final battle against Annihilus does taken place in the void between universes (as both Marvel and Negative Zone hang in the balance in this issue!), if he wins it's conceivable he gets trapped in the Negative Zone as an after effect, or even telepored (as Thanos has access to this technology) to the prison/ or comes upon the prison in the Zone..which would be an eventual return for Nova to experience the dramatic aftershocks of Civil War by his former teammate Speedball, Stamford, etc. So far the nearest Nova has got back to Earth actually occurs in Issue 3 (out now) where he sends a message to Reed Richards to warn about the Wave; whether Reed gets the message is still open to debate. So it could be Nova who is returning. I do however like the theory of Captain Marvel but I though it was Marvel's golden rule that he, the original, would never return. Genis Vell is currently buried on Titan; the site was visited by Moondragon and the current Captain Marvel, Phyla Vell in issue 2. As for Thor. When since has he been represented by an 8-pointed star and besides the last time I recall any recent reference was made to Thor was when that mysterious stranger picked up Thor's hammer out in the Arizona desert in a recent issue of FF. My bet is Nova but at best its open season. We'll all end up being suprised when this and Annihilation ends in Jan...

[Bobster777]

So far, the best candidates are Thor, Cap Marvel, and Hawkeye. If I was a betting man, I would go with Thor.

[The Purple Skull]

Quick question: Is this a one-shot?

[Cayman]

Quick question: Is this a one-shot?

I think so. I imagine it probably leads into a mini or something upcoming though.

[MakeshiftHero]

So far, the best candidates are Thor, Cap Marvel, and Hawkeye. If I was a betting man, I would go with Thor.
Hawkeye/Clint is supposed to be coming back in an issue of New Avengers along w/ Scarlet Witch. I think Nova will come back and see what has gone on and get disgusted at how people are acting and go off to space to restart the nova corps cause I've heard Nova is supposed to get his own series soon.

[Blackcat]

The yellow star gives away that it will be either Mar-Vell, Adam Warlock or Quasar.

[Mothmonsterman]

Hi All. Just dropping over from my regular haunt at Annihilation. This cover is a real mystery eh? I've seen it on several sites, all thumbnails and yet when you try an download it you can't; even on the Official Marvel site its image not listed! But having managed to get a thumbnail and do a bit of touching up its definately a 8-pointed star. Now today Annihilation 6's preview was released and considering the current narrative/plot its pretty clear that Nova and Annihilus are having their final one on one in that issue, the same month this comes out. Currently Nova bears an 8-pointed star (previously 6 points) which does bear an uncanny sembalance to the late Captain Marvel's motif as well as his later successor Genis Vel, both of whom are dead. Now if I recall Tom Brevoort did say in one of his replies on this forum, or at a convention that Nova will face the ramifications of Civil War sooner or later; Dan Abnett also stated in an interview at Newsrama that Nova will face the ramifications of Civil War in his new Monthly (when that comes out). Now if, and it is a big if (because us Nova fans are on tenderhooks whether the current incarnation will survive to the end of Annihilation and if you haven't been reading the series (and you should as you're really missing out if you haven't!!) life and death of the characters in the mini have been up an' down, here an' there: one minute Super Skrull is dead; next he's alive. Quasar was unnexpectedly killed in Nova 4; now an appearence by "a Quasar" is noted in issue 6.. Now if Rich Rider's final battle against Annihilus does taken place in the void between universes (as both Marvel and Negative Zone hang in the balance in this issue!), if he wins it's conceivable he gets trapped in the Negative Zone as an after effect, or even telepored (as Thanos has access to this technology) to the prison/ or comes upon the prison in the Zone..which would be an eventual return for Nova to experience the dramatic aftershocks of Civil War by his former teammate Speedball, Stamford, etc. So far the nearest Nova has got back to Earth actually occurs in Issue 3 (out now) where he sends a message to Reed Richards to warn about the Wave; whether Reed gets the message is still open to debate. So it could be Nova who is returning. I do however like the theory of Captain Marvel but I though it was Marvel's golden rule that he, the original, would never return. Genis Vell is currently buried on Titan; the site was visited by Moondragon and the current Captain Marvel, Phyla Vell in issue 2. As for Thor. When since has he been represented by an 8-pointed star and besides the last time I recall any recent reference was made to Thor was when that mysterious stranger picked up Thor's hammer out in the Arizona desert in a recent issue of FF. My bet is Nova but at best its open season. We'll all end up being suprised when this and Annihilation ends in Jan...

I can imagine that you really hope Nova is returning (even though he's not actually gone to begin with), but here's the image from the cover:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4620/cwreturn2dy2.jpg

That's the exact image, with the contrast altered to make it more easily visible. I'm sorry to be such a buzzkill when people are coming up with all these theories and explinations about why the cover is probably meant for their favorite characters, dead or not, but it really isn't the mystery people seem to think it is.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1795/capmarvelxa7.jpg

[Nova3333]

Well thank someone for actually endevouring to get a "clearer" version of the cover. I agree Captain Marvel is probably more likely than Nova but the latter has a definative connection to Civil War in retrospect that his former teamates were responsible for the Stanford massacre while the Good Captain doesn't have any specific connection but it would be very interesting to see how Mar-vel would react to how the current state of play the Marvel Universe is in considering his long absence..but will they go against the Starlin Classic and ressurect the original bearer of the title..that's the milion dollar, or pounds in my case, question....

[Blackcat]

I can imagine that you really hope Nova is returning (even though he's not actually gone to begin with), but here's the image from the cover:


That's the exact image, with the contrast altered to make it more easily visible. I'm sorry to be such a buzzkill when people are coming up with all these theories and explinations about why the cover is probably meant for their favorite characters, dead or not, but it really isn't the mystery people seem to think it is.



I know, but also Genis Vell and Quasar used that star image, so it's gonna be one of those 3 comic figures for sure.

[Mariah]

So far, the best candidates are Thor, Cap Marvel, and Hawkeye. If I was a betting man, I would go with Thor.
You don't win very much when you gamble do you? Based on the cover, and the info given, it's most clearly Cap'n Marvel. Now which Cap'n marvel that is, is a story for another day, but...

[Mariah]

I know, but also Genis Vell and Quasar used that star image, so it's gonna be one of those 3 comic figures for sure.
Cap'n Marvel II(photon, or whatever she's calling herself these days) also used the image, only it was a black star instead of a yellow star.

[Thursaiz]

I am hoping that since it is a one-shot, there might be a few different stories inside about characters making returns to the Marvel Universe.

[firestarfan]

It's gotta be the "Mar-Vell" version of Captain Marvel, just so that Marvel can prove once-and-for-all that no comic book death is too sacred to screw with.

I sincerely hope somebody at Marvel picks it up and re-reads Starlin's amazingly powerful and moving work, and decides against this.

But they won't, and one of the most poignant comic book stories of all time will lose most, if not all, of its meaning.

[jrrl]

Another thought. Ms. Marvel has been fairly militant during the CW and her original uniform had that star on the front. The star could mean that she plays in role in helping whoever it is (please, Marvel, not Mar-Vell!) return. Heck, maybe she will somehow get the negabands and become the new Captain Marvel.

-John.

[Thursaiz]

Bring back Cosmic Spider-Man!

[SnakeEater]

Well thank someone for actually endevouring to get a "clearer" version of the cover. I agree Captain Marvel is probably more likely than Nova but the latter has a definative connection to Civil War in retrospect that his former teamates were responsible for the Stanford massacre while the Good Captain doesn't have any specific connection but it would be very interesting to see how Mar-vel would react to how the current state of play the Marvel Universe is in considering his long absence..but will they go against the Starlin Classic and ressurect the original bearer of the title..that's the milion dollar, or pounds in my case, question....


WHAT A MINUTE!!!!! isnt this the guy who was killed by Nitro?

[CMBMOOL]

WHAT A MINUTE!!!!! isnt this the guy who was killed by Nitro?

Well, both yes and no.

Nitro caused the Cancer that eventually killed Captain Marvel.

I really hope that it isn't him coming back because it would then be the end of comic book's rules of the dead. :(

Maybe it's his son coming back or perhaps Nova returning. :)

[Jeff-E]

I'm sorry but I'm hoping and praying for the return of Mar-Vell! He was an awesome character and there just weren't enough stories involving him. I know his death was meaningful and coming back after 20+ years won't detract from that... bring back Mar-Vell

[Loestal]

Well, both yes and no.

Nitro caused the Cancer that eventually killed Captain Marvel.

I really hope that it isn't him coming back because it would then be the end of comic book's rules of the dead. :(

Maybe it's his son coming back or perhaps Nova returning. :)


Zemo just recently killed Genis, it isn't gonna be him.

[Nova3333]

Interesting! I never read the original Graphic Novel: the Death of Captain Marvel (hope to find a copy one day) so its interesting you mention that it was Nitro who caused the Cancer that eventually killed Mar-Vel. Perhaps we're reaching the end of huge plot loop that taken years to finally complete. Incidently I just read Issue 5? of Front Line' specially Robbie's story (The Accused) and I noted that while he and other prisoners are being transferred to Fantasy Island, there's this mysterious figure heavily bandaged who the automated computer system states "isn't human" Later, when he speaks his speech ballons are black white white text (i.e. negative) and he states "I'm Dead". I also think the same figure appears in one panel in Amazing 535 during Peter's visit to the prison with Tony. Could this be the figure whose the centre point of The Return as I've since noted that it states that the character "returning" is in the Prison? Or, it is someone we've yet to see???

[Chris Thomas]

ok if it is captain mar-vell then this is .. excuse the term.. comic book history BLASPHEMY!

next up: bringing back gwen stacy.

[Laminator_X]

Interesting! I never read the original Graphic Novel: the Death of Captain Marvel (hope to find a copy one day) so its interesting you mention that it was Nitro who caused the Cancer that eventually killed Mar-Vel. Perhaps we're reaching the end of huge plot loop that taken years to finally complete. Incidently I just read Issue 5? of Front Line' specially Robbie's story (The Accused) and I noted that while he and other prisoners are being transferred to Fantasy Island, there's this mysterious figure heavily bandaged who the automated computer system states "isn't human" Later, when he speaks his speech ballons are black white white text (i.e. negative) and he states "I'm Dead". I also think the same figure appears in one panel in Amazing 535 during Peter's visit to the prison with Tony. Could this be the figure whose the centre point of The Return as I've since noted that it states that the character "returning" is in the Prison? Or, it is someone we've yet to see???

I believe that was the Living Mummy.

[stealthwise]

Willy Lumpkin.

[Ullar]

i really think this is mar-vell its his star i never read the death so i might be biased.

[drdogtown]

What if it has something to do with the classic Vision? Didn't one of his costumes have a sort of star on it at one time? What really happened to the parts of the Vision after Wanda basically blew him up?

[Ullar]

his mind went into iron lads armor and he fights with the young avengers.

[Xanrn]

Its not his mind, its his core programming.

He has no memories and his thought patterns are based on Iron Lad aka Kang.

I very much doubt it will be Captain Marvel.

I hope its Nova I want to see him trash some pro-regs.

[Davidai]

Hi All. Just dropping over from my regular haunt at Annihilation. This cover is a real mystery eh? I've seen it on several sites, all thumbnails and yet when you try an download it you can't; even on the Official Marvel site its image not listed! But having managed to get a thumbnail and do a bit of touching up its definately a 8-pointed star. Now today Annihilation 6's preview was released and considering the current narrative/plot its pretty clear that Nova and Annihilus are having their final one on one in that issue, the same month this comes out. Currently Nova bears an 8-pointed star (previously 6 points) which does bear an uncanny sembalance to the late Captain Marvel's motif as well as his later successor Genis Vel, both of whom are dead. Now if I recall Tom Brevoort did say in one of his replies on this forum, or at a convention that Nova will face the ramifications of Civil War sooner or later; Dan Abnett also stated in an interview at Newsrama that Nova will face the ramifications of Civil War in his new Monthly (when that comes out). Now if, and it is a big if (because us Nova fans are on tenderhooks whether the current incarnation will survive to the end of Annihilation and if you haven't been reading the series (and you should as you're really missing out if you haven't!!) life and death of the characters in the mini have been up an' down, here an' there: one minute Super Skrull is dead; next he's alive. Quasar was unnexpectedly killed in Nova 4; now an appearence by "a Quasar" is noted in issue 6.. Now if Rich Rider's final battle against Annihilus does taken place in the void between universes (as both Marvel and Negative Zone hang in the balance in this issue!), if he wins it's conceivable he gets trapped in the Negative Zone as an after effect, or even telepored (as Thanos has access to this technology) to the prison/ or comes upon the prison in the Zone..which would be an eventual return for Nova to experience the dramatic aftershocks of Civil War by his former teammate Speedball, Stamford, etc. So far the nearest Nova has got back to Earth actually occurs in Issue 3 (out now) where he sends a message to Reed Richards to warn about the Wave; whether Reed gets the message is still open to debate. So it could be Nova who is returning. I do however like the theory of Captain Marvel but I though it was Marvel's golden rule that he, the original, would never return. Genis Vell is currently buried on Titan; the site was visited by Moondragon and the current Captain Marvel, Phyla Vell in issue 2. As for Thor. When since has he been represented by an 8-pointed star and besides the last time I recall any recent reference was made to Thor was when that mysterious stranger picked up Thor's hammer out in the Arizona desert in a recent issue of FF. My bet is Nova but at best its open season. We'll all end up being suprised when this and Annihilation ends in Jan...

I acutally like this theory. Bein' that it would be the only character to crossover from Annihilation and have the effects of both CW and Annihilation after math. It does make sense if you think bout it and have been followin' Annihilation and CW with almost all the tie-ins. I have not read the Captain Marvel: Life and Death, so I do not know much bout him.

[Nova3333]

Well if Nova does return to Earth I'd definately like to see him react to what's happened but here's a point. When he finds out that Speedball was responsible for the Stanford massacre, that he stormed the Villains safe house in Civil War 1 just to get good ratings for the Warriors reality TV series which Nova left due to be recalled to Xandar by the Nova Corps, will Nova either show some sympathy to his plight or as I believe he'll probably react angerly to Robbie as it did also lead to his teammates death including his former lover Namorita Prentis, Night Thrasher, etc. Also bear in mind that the Rich Rider who left is not the same person he is now. The current Rich is more mature, colder, more rationaled, hard-lined and probably less sympathetic. And also bear in mind he's far more powerful. So lets say after Annihilation he winds up in the Negative Zone, finds the Prison and finds out a former warrior is one of the Prisoners. Lets say he frees Robbie, and other inmates and gets them back home to Earth. So far, so good but there's a catch: Does Speedball dare tell Rich the truth about Stamford; for in the Accused he's been in a state of denial, only recently admitting to She Hulk when having his fever dream after been shot that he admitted he was responsible and only denied responsibility because he didn't want to face the truth he cause the situation that killed his fellow Warriors. If he does tell Nova the truth, I think Rich won't react the way you think; it may instead be the cause/ pretext of Nova leaving Earth, Not caring whether the Pro's or Anti's win the War as its noted in the new Nova monthly by Dan Abnett that it will predominately take place off-world but early issues will feature Nova on Earth. Of course it also depends if the Nova returning is Rich. Its still 50/50 if he survives the last battle with Annihilus at the end of Annihilation. I hope he does as this is one plot thread that demands attention and is I know something many Warrior/Nova fans want to see.

[DamonO]

Well, both yes and no.

Nitro caused the Cancer that eventually killed Captain Marvel.



Not disagreeing with you, but I think it would probably be more accurate to say that Nitro indirectly caused Capt. Marvel to be exposed to a nerve agent that led to Mar-Vell developing cancer.

If I remember correctly, Mar-Vell's fight with Nitro inadvertantly caused a nearby cannister which contained nerve gas to partially rupture. Some of the gas escaped, and Mar-Vell managed to reseal cannister, but not before being exposed and passing out. It was later revealed that the gas caused Mar-Vell to develop the cancer which eventually took his life.

[patch]

Well if Nova does return to Earth I'd definately like to see him react to what's happened but here's a point. When he finds out that Speedball was responsible for the Stanford massacre, that he stormed the Villains safe house in Civil War 1 just to get good ratings for the Warriors reality TV series which Nova left due to be recalled to Xandar by the Nova Corps, will Nova either show some sympathy to his plight or as I believe he'll probably react angerly to Robbie as it did also lead to his teammates death including his former lover Namorita Prentis, Night Thrasher, etc. Also bear in mind that the Rich Rider who left is not the same person he is now. The current Rich is more mature, colder, more rationaled, hard-lined and probably less sympathetic. And also bear in mind he's far more powerful. So lets say after Annihilation he winds up in the Negative Zone, finds the Prison and finds out a former warrior is one of the Prisoners. Lets say he frees Robbie, and other inmates and gets them back home to Earth. So far, so good but there's a catch: Does Speedball dare tell Rich the truth about Stamford; for in the Accused he's been in a state of denial, only recently admitting to She Hulk when having his fever dream after been shot that he admitted he was responsible and only denied responsibility because he didn't want to face the truth he cause the situation that killed his fellow Warriors. If he does tell Nova the truth, I think Rich won't react the way you think; it may instead be the cause/ pretext of Nova leaving Earth, Not caring whether the Pro's or Anti's win the War as its noted in the new Nova monthly by Dan Abnett that it will predominately take place off-world but early issues will feature Nova on Earth. Of course it also depends if the Nova returning is Rich. Its still 50/50 if he survives the last battle with Annihilus at the end of Annihilation. I hope he does as this is one plot thread that demands attention and is I know something many Warrior/Nova fans want to see.

a real friend would break robbie out and let him know it was an accident and could have happened to any cape and then rescue the rest of the remaining warriors.

[Berkey]

I mean it's a possibility of Cpt. Marvel or Nova, or thor(possibly beta ray bill ) but it would be cool to see Adam Warlock. I'm a little fuzzy with this subject but what about cyclops's other brother is he a "villian" or what b/c maybe they could get him in the mix

[Berkey]

If it is nova what if all those involved with the Annihilation wave came back unlikly but it would be cool

[Nova3333]

Reply to Patch: Like I said its pure speculaton of how Nova would react and I'm using Rich's current persona, not his previous one to base my theory on. But either way I hardly think he'll forgive Robbie for causing the situation that lead to his teammates death. its not like:
"Oh by the way Rich, while you your away in space, I happened to cause this situation in Stamford; things got out of control when we fought these villains who were just a tad out of our league..and I hate to say your former loved Nita got roasted alive, and Thrash...oh and er a good part of the town got reduced to ashes too which upped fatalities a bit. ...An because of that the Government decided enough was enough and as a result they've passed tthis law which expects all heroes to divulge their secret identities and work for the Government as Agents or risk imprisonment in the Negative Zone..and whether you either register or not it may end putting firends and loved ones at risk...(better not tell him Carlton LaForge put his name up on the destroyallwarriors website). Any problem with that Rich?
Rich replies: No problem Robbie. I'll forgive you. It's cool.

Sorry. Can't see it happening that way. If it happens at all. Oh and appologies for sounding a bit sarcastic. Just trying to get a point across.

[Morw]

It all depends on how its written, it can be written as you wrote it and Nova would rip head straight of. or it can be written with speedball crying and is really sorry with other hearo's standing around saying that nobody knew nirto had a powerbost, He might not forgive him but he might not take it out on speedball and then work hard to find out what really ahppen and then forgive speedball. ( As the video of the fight clearly show that they would ahve won had it not been for the unexpected power-up)

[FrogMan]

You guys are all missing out on who is REALLY coming back in The Return.

It isn't any of the Captain Marvels. It is...

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S



NFL SuperPro!!! Seriously!! He has stars on his uniform, too.

Just don't be so quick to dismiss this out of hand.

[Phrozen]

Reply to Patch: Like I said its pure speculaton of how Nova would react and I'm using Rich's current persona, not his previous one to base my theory on. But either way I hardly think he'll forgive Robbie for causing the situation that lead to his teammates death. its not like:
"Oh by the way Rich, while you your away in space, I happened to cause this situation in Stamford; things got out of control when we fought these villains who were just a tad out of our league..and I hate to say your former loved Nita got roasted alive, and Thrash...oh and er a good part of the town got reduced to ashes too which upped fatalities a bit. ...An because of that the Government decided enough was enough and as a result they've passed tthis law which expects all heroes to divulge their secret identities and work for the Government as Agents or risk imprisonment in the Negative Zone..and whether you either register or not it may end putting firends and loved ones at risk...(better not tell him Carlton LaForge put his name up on the destroyallwarriors website). Any problem with that Rich?
Rich replies: No problem Robbie. I'll forgive you. It's cool.

Sorry. Can't see it happening that way. If it happens at all. Oh and appologies for sounding a bit sarcastic. Just trying to get a point across.

The problem is that no one save Nitro himself knew that he had been upgraded from Grenade level to MOAB level. No one. Registration wouldn't of prevented it, no one on the New Warriors could of knew about it to prevent it. It would be one thing if they knew about it, it is a completely different story when they didn't.

[Jeff-E]

The return, what if it's both Nova and Capt Marvel. Could Nova with his current attitude be tapped to be the successor of Mar-Vell/Genis/Phyla, and become the new Capt. Marvel. He's basically trying to protect the universe right now, he passes on the mantle of Nova to a corp again, and Epoch has him imbued with cosmic energy and awareness. He's more worthy than the past two users of the name (calm down fan-boys, I liked Genis also, but he could't even decide what to call himself). Just a thought.

[Blackcat]

According to the Joe on Fridays interview it aint cap Marvell or Mar-Vell. So it's either Genis Vell (what I think it will be, or Quasar.

[Nova3333]

Superpro! God in hell when I read that I fell off my chair and had a laughter fit for an hour! Odd thing is, you're right he does have a star on his uniform! Any other candidates that anyone can think of?

[XPac]

According to the Joe on Fridays interview it aint cap Marvell or Mar-Vell. So it's either Genis Vell (what I think it will be, or Quasar.

Genis almost wouldn't make sense though. He HAD the name Captian Marvel. WHy would marvel take it away from him just to give it back? Unless the REALLY love the running joke of him stealing Monica's name.

[Cayman]

According to the Joe on Fridays interview it aint cap Marvell or Mar-Vell. So it's either Genis Vell (what I think it will be, or Quasar.

Can you post a link to the interview?

[Zero Hunter]

Maybe Epoch choses someone to be his new champion. Maybe even Rick Jones himself. I could see Stark throwing Jones into the Neg Zone to keep him from being a ramble rouser against the pro-reg side. I mean Rick is a pretty well know guy in the Marvel U with being an author, reacording artist, and even a televison personality for a while, on top of being a know associte of Hulk and many others. If he started coming out too strong agiainst the Pro side it could start ot sway some of the public, and that is something the Stark would not want.

Mybe Rick Jones becomes the new Captain Marvel.

(Hey it is a better idea than bringing back the original which would be on par with Clone Saga on a level of crappyness)

[Expletive Deleted]

According to the Joe on Fridays interview it aint cap Marvell or Mar-Vell. So it's either Genis Vell (what I think it will be, or Quasar.Which interview? His "Joe Fridays" bit at Newsarama said nothing of the kind.

[moonknight2099]

I hope it is Mar-vell. He was a great characture and I would love to see him return. I never really cared for Genis or Phyla.

[patch]

Reply to Patch: Like I said its pure speculaton of how Nova would react and I'm using Rich's current persona, not his previous one to base my theory on. But either way I hardly think he'll forgive Robbie for causing the situation that lead to his teammates death. its not like:
"Oh by the way Rich, while you your away in space, I happened to cause this situation in Stamford; things got out of control when we fought these villains who were just a tad out of our league..and I hate to say your former loved Nita got roasted alive, and Thrash...oh and er a good part of the town got reduced to ashes too which upped fatalities a bit. ...An because of that the Government decided enough was enough and as a result they've passed tthis law which expects all heroes to divulge their secret identities and work for the Government as Agents or risk imprisonment in the Negative Zone..and whether you either register or not it may end putting firends and loved ones at risk...(better not tell him Carlton LaForge put his name up on the destroyallwarriors website). Any problem with that Rich?
Rich replies: No problem Robbie. I'll forgive you. It's cool.

Sorry. Can't see it happening that way. If it happens at all. Oh and appologies for sounding a bit sarcastic. Just trying to get a point across.

but it wasnt robbies fault and that the thing...nova would know that the warriors (save for microbe who was green) were not a group of reckless rookies and easily outclassed the group of fourth stringers they were about to take down and if it wasnt for a power boost that no one could have known about nitro and all those other losers would be in jail.

so i say again, no way would a former long time warrior turn on robbie and leave him and the others in the negative zone there to rot.

i like how it has all of sudden become cannon that the new warriors are so new they couldnt take down a mugger...let alone a group of loser super villians.

its almost as bad as the "hulk is a mass-murderer" retcon

[Nogs]

I dunno, I don't think Nova would be completey against registration. I mean, what exactly was Nova Corps? A political/military body that trained forces to protect the universe.

[XPac]

I dunno, I don't think Nova would be completey against registration. I mean, what exactly was Nova Corps? A political/military body that trained forces to protect the universe.

Course the funny thing is the only member of the Nova Corps that isn't killed off the last 2-3 times the Nova Corps was killed off is the one that really isn't a part of their trained military force.

I'm wondering if Novas personal experience would tell him that this sort of thing isn't that good an idea.

[Cayman]

Interesting quote from a Keith Giffen Interview that might be helpful.

Getting back to the Negative Zone Prison, is it going to have any implications for the way you handle Annihilation?

GIFFEN: Considering I found out about it about two weeks ago, it’s not going to have any implications. When I was discussing it with Andy [Schmidt], I believe he said that Annihilation takes place before Civil War. So they don’t interact or cross over.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001984006.cfm

[Peeps]

Could the return be Bucky? yes i know he is back as the winter soldier, but maybe he comes back to help out Cap, in his old blue and reds?

[Nova3333]

This matter regarding whether Annihilation takes place before or at the same time as Civil War should been addressed. The only thing that I have noted is that in Civil War 1 Speedball makes reference to Nova while he and the Warriors are observing Nitro and company at the Safe House at Stamford

Speedball quotes: "This could be the episode that really puts the new warriors on the map. If we beat these guys and people stop bitching about Nova leaving the show to go back into space".

So we'll assume that a second season started and Nova was still with the team but at some point during the early part of the season Nova received the call to go back to Xandar and was obligated to leave the Show for this reason. The fans thus complained and made note of this as the season progressed, ratings must have fallen due to Nova leaving (he must have been a popular member) and as such this lead to the remaining members being tipped off ( and if that happened by whom, the US government??) about Nitro and co in Stamford which if Speedball hoped he and the Warriors captured would make this episode the best of the season.

So if that is the case, this would preclude that Annihilation is occuring at the same time as Civil War. Also bear in mind that in the Super Skrull mini, K'lrt visits Reed Richards at the Baxter Building to gain access to the Negative Zone. This occurs well AFTER annihilation day has been designated (around Plus 40 ish or more which was when the Wave emerged from the edge of the universe and later Xandar and the Nova Corps were destroyed by the Wave making Rich Rider the sole survivor of the Corps) and Super Skrull mini occurs after the Nova mini took place so I would say that somewhere either Giffen, Schmidt and Brevoort got their wires crossed as Giffen/Schmidt statement that Annihilation occurs before Civil War is wrong. As it is I note that there isn't a true timeline for Civil War whereas with Annihilation we do have a clear timeline which can be followed by the plus-minus dates as each issue, event occurs. The main point is Annihilation Day itself could have occured before Civil war started but since then it must be happening while Civil War taking place!! So The Return could be a another subtle. more definate link to both series..also note that Schmidt has stated that when Rich sends a message back to Earth to warn about Annihilus and hopes Reed gets the message to mobilize Earth's heroes (which Ronan the Accuser thinks will count for nothing! and this takes plce aboard a vast spaceship in orbit behind the Moon circa Annihilation 3) that this was Annihilation's tip to acknowledge Civil War and this even more so is proof that both series are occuring at the same time!! So anyone care to dispute this?

[Davidai]

Well if Nova does return to Earth I'd definately like to see him react to what's happened but here's a point. When he finds out that Speedball was responsible for the Stanford massacre, that he stormed the Villains safe house in Civil War 1 just to get good ratings for the Warriors reality TV series which Nova left due to be recalled to Xandar by the Nova Corps, will Nova either show some sympathy to his plight or as I believe he'll probably react angerly to Robbie as it did also lead to his teammates death including his former lover Namorita Prentis, Night Thrasher, etc. Also bear in mind that the Rich Rider who left is not the same person he is now. The current Rich is more mature, colder, more rationaled, hard-lined and probably less sympathetic. And also bear in mind he's far more powerful. So lets say after Annihilation he winds up in the Negative Zone, finds the Prison and finds out a former warrior is one of the Prisoners. Lets say he frees Robbie, and other inmates and gets them back home to Earth. So far, so good but there's a catch: Does Speedball dare tell Rich the truth about Stamford; for in the Accused he's been in a state of denial, only recently admitting to She Hulk when having his fever dream after been shot that he admitted he was responsible and only denied responsibility because he didn't want to face the truth he cause the situation that killed his fellow Warriors. If he does tell Nova the truth, I think Rich won't react the way you think; it may instead be the cause/ pretext of Nova leaving Earth, Not caring whether the Pro's or Anti's win the War as its noted in the new Nova monthly by Dan Abnett that it will predominately take place off-world but early issues will feature Nova on Earth. Of course it also depends if the Nova returning is Rich. Its still 50/50 if he survives the last battle with Annihilus at the end of Annihilation. I hope he does as this is one plot thread that demands attention and is I know something many Warrior/Nova fans want to see.

Yeah, but if Nova does break out Robbie and all his fellow warriors what force in "42" would hold our precisious heroes from breakin' free again. Do I smell a theory? Lets say Nova does come back. Goes to hte neg zone where he discovers that Earth hasn't really been the same and that Robbie caused everything. He then decides to go into "42" speak w/ Robbie. Robbie tells him the truth and with the whole Reg thingy IM has been doin' he jsut breaks out everyone in 42. Meanin' that Nova would be wanted man. So Nick could give him a fake I.D. deemin' him the "new" name Captain Marvel. I don't know how the whole new Nova corps would fit in though. :confused:

[Jason von Evil]

God, I hope they don't bring Mar-Vell back. That would be like bringing Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacey back. :|

[Cthulhudrew]

God, I hope they don't bring Mar-Vell back. That would be like bringing Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacey back. :|

Shh! Don't give away the plot to World War Hulk! :eek:

[Cayman]

God, I hope they don't bring Mar-Vell back. That would be like bringing Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacey back. :|

Not really. Mar-Vell's a superhero. Those characters are supporting cast.

[Berkey]

I think scarlett witch and Hawkeye are comming back in the new avengers but I think it would be cool to see one of them now. I mean Mar-vel is cool but I don't know why they would have such a huge retrn for him ya know

[FrogMan]

Superpro! God in hell when I read that I fell off my chair and had a laughter fit for an hour! Odd thing is, you're right he does have a star on his uniform! Any other candidates that anyone can think of?


Why laugh? It is the truth!

:)

[SnakeEater]

What if the cover i a curve ball and we arent falling for it? What if this is the hardcore return of Thor? The solit is a little weird because it mentions Sentry, but i dont think its Marvel or whoever at all.

[Cayman]

If the cover isn't exactly what it appears to be, then it's a big gyp and utterly stupid.

[jrrl]

If the cover isn't exactly what it appears to be, then it's a big gyp and utterly stupid.

Well, THAT would never happen.

The only thing I can't figure out about it is how Katie Power ended up in the Negative Zone:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/97891593709.1.gif

-John.

[chrismileslord]

Okay, honestly, the only people I would really want to come back would be Hawkeye or Thor. Mar-vell would be a waste to me, and honestly, if World War Hulk is coming next summer, Wouldn't you need Thor to stop him?

[Cthulhudrew]

Hmm... cryptic utterances in the New Joe Fridays (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays20.html)

while there are no immediate plans at the moment, AoA has been one of the most positively reviewed, non-Civil War titles this year. My gut tells me that they’ll be popping up in the Marvel Universe in the most unlikely of places, so keep your decoder rings on.

Hmmm, could there be a hidden message in this cover?

Check out Venus' necklace on that cover to Agents of Atlas #5 (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF20art/AOATLAS005_dc.jpg). Looks familiar, but maybe I'm just digging now. ;)

[Jason von Evil]

Hmm... cryptic utterances in the New Joe Fridays (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays20.html)



Check out Venus' necklace on that cover to Agents of Atlas #5 (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF20art/AOATLAS005_dc.jpg). Looks familiar, but maybe I'm just digging now. ;)
They said one of Marvel's greatest heroes. I don't remember some white hair chick being one of Marvel's greats. :P

Quasar's starburst looks a lot like the one on The Return cover.

[scottv]

My guess is Speedball and him trying to repair is image.


Isn't Speedball dead?

[CMBMOOL]

Hmm... cryptic utterances in the New Joe Fridays (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays20.html)



Check out Venus' necklace on that cover to Agents of Atlas #5 (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF20art/AOATLAS005_dc.jpg). Looks familiar, but maybe I'm just digging now. ;)


You know maybe the New Captain Marvel could be a women with the soul of the original ? :confused:

[Nova3333]

In case you don't know a lot about Venus I've posted a link to her profile at Wilkepedia in the Annihilation thread which is also discussing the Return. From what I've read there's a link of sorts to Avengers Forever and the primary chracter in that was Rick Jones so could it be the Rick Jones and Captain Mar-vel partnership coming back? Gets more intriguing every month.

[Jason von Evil]

Isn't Speedball dead?
Nay, he's imprisoned in the Negative Zone.

Speedball with cosmic powers? Eh...

[FrogMan]

Maybe it's Nova? Negative Zone, Annihilation? I don't know.

[hitokiri_]

here's my bet. haven't read any of the other posts so, my money's on hulk. planet hulk will end when?

[SnakeEater]

Maybe it's Nova? Negative Zone, Annihilation? I don't know.
I just saw a cover to what i believe was an Annihilation book, not sure will look it up though, and some guy was holding a very crushed nova helmut and it had the same star as this cover is showing so im about 99% sure its nova.

[SnakeEater]

Cover to issue Three of Annihilation is what im talking about. here is a link

damn it the link i posted wont work, but yeah check out the cover to issue 3

[Psyco panda]

Or you could just go up a bit and look at the avatar of Nova3333. He's got the nova helmet in that pic.

[jrrl]

Okay, I was rereading Civil War #3 last night and noticed a green bald glowing guy with the same star on his chest. He seemed to be with the pro-registration guys, but it wasn't entirely clear and his whole job was to stand still in one frame and get knocked over a few pages later in another.

Who is this guy? Is that Hulkling? (Sorry, not a new avengers follower and he doesn't look like the pics I've found online of him.) If not, who is it, because that star seemed to jump out of the page (mostly because there were lots of subdued tones in the art, except for this green guy)?

If it is not Hulking, howabout Hulkling becoming the new Captain Marvel? He is Mar-Vell's eldest son and he is anti-reg so he could end up in 42.

Also, that could lead to a confrontation in World War Hulk between Hulk and Hulkling (not related, I know) with Mar-Vell's powers. It would be a heck of a fight.

-John.

[garin]

That's Radioactive Man, from the Thunderbolts. I can't see the title referring to him, as he hasn't been away anywhere and he's already on the registration side.

[sonofagun]

Okay, I was rereading Civil War #3 last night and noticed a green bald glowing guy with the same star on his chest. He seemed to be with the pro-registration guys, but it wasn't entirely clear and his whole job was to stand still in one frame and get knocked over a few pages later in another.

Who is this guy? Is that Hulkling? (Sorry, not a new avengers follower and he doesn't look like the pics I've found online of him.) If not, who is it, because that star seemed to jump out of the page (mostly because there were lots of subdued tones in the art, except for this green guy)?


-John.

I'm guessing (don't have the issue in front of me) that it's Radioactive Man (see the Thunderbolts). Not really a candidate, but does go to show how many characters are sporting the star.
Heck, if it weren't fer New Universal it could almost be the Starbrand, then again, there's also Longshot, Dazzler and all of the others that were mentioned (I looooove the Katie Power referance from above)

[Arti]

From yesterday's New Joe Fridays:

Q: “Goon777” - You've mentioned putting some Marvel “Genies” back in their bottles. I assume making the mutant population a minority again (as they should be) is one. What are any others that you can talk about or at least tease about? And you've made vague mention months ago about news about Captain Marvel.

Anything to report or deny?

JQ: None that I can talk about but a Captain Marvel revival would not be amongst the “Genies” I’ve mentioned. While Cap is a great character, his existence or lack thereof within the Marvel Universe wouldn’t be something that I would consider bigger enough to categorize as a “Genie”.

[Big Red Spider]

I hope its someone with bracelets

[gyrich.]

If you ask me it's going to be another Clor situation, only this time they did it to Captain Marvel.

[firestarfan]

I can't even begin to fathom how it's even concievably possible that ANY of you people don't think that Marvel's going to undo the death of Mar-Vell.

This is clearly what "The Return" is going to be. Literally NO other character in the Marvel U. who has any ties to that star symbol thingy would be significant enough to warrant a book about their return called "The Return." Nova's powerful and a great character, but Marveldom doesn't have nearly enough respect for him to warrant such a title. The other "fill-in-the-blank-Vell" characters are too minor, and nobody else is "returning" from anything.

It's Mar-Vell. It's Mar-Vell. It's Mar-Vell.

Come on, people. It's Mar-Vell.

And Marvel sucks for doing this.

[Chris Thomas]

if it is mar-vell--marvel does suck. jeez--that is sacralige!!!!!!!!!!!

but actually I found out who it really is:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Rom-1.jpg

[thepowell]

Mar-Vell Shmarvell!

I had never heard of this character until that Return cover came out. Why do people think that he warrants his own "return" book? Seems to me it's just some random cosmic character whose only claim to fame (now that I've researched it) was some "Death of" Graphic Novel. If you hardcore readers wind up being right, it'll be a bad thing for Marvel, because trust me - the majority of readers out there have no idea, nor care, who Mar-Vell is. Nova would've made sense, except he's definintely not in the 42. Quasar isn't important enough. So, Mar-vell seems to be the defauly answer, which is a stupid thing for Marvel to be marketing so heavily.

[-S-Man-]

I heard Millar say (on the Marvel Podcast) that he wanted to bring the real Thor back but found that it was already on its way so he had to fiddle around and he created Clor which actually fitted in with Thor's own return in his own book.

It can't be Hulk because hes schedualed to be space until next year.

I recon its gonna be someone else, best bet would be Hawkeye. But I'm almost always wrong so it probably won't be :p

[kidpernicious]

I haven't read every last post in this thread, but I have seen a lot of ideas bouncing around that should probably just be laid to rest now.

First off, Andy Schmidt straight up answered the question of whether The Return involved Nova, with a flatout no (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3938209&postcount=1780). Nova ain't the guy. Unless a few editors aren't on the same page and the Annihilation guys literally have no idea what the Civil War guys are doing. (Doubtful.) I'd say Nova's too tied up with Annihilation to show up in CW just yet, though outside of any Captain Marvel character, he's got the closest symbol to what's seen on The Return's cover.

Quasar might be a possibility, except it has nothing to do with the cover. The eight-pointed starburst that's seen on the cover is NOT his symbol. Maybe I missed some version of his costume but from what I know, Quasar's costume symbol is a four-pointed star in a circle. Further, looking at this article (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8429), they describe his mini as an Annihilation spinoff. I wouldn't classify something as an Annihilation spinoff if it's kicked off with a Civil War one-shot.

It's not Hawkeye, Bendis was quoted at Wizard World Chicago back in August (http://www.newsarama.com/WW_Chicago_06/Marvel/NA_26.html) discussing Hawkeye's real return to be featured in New Avengers #26, in a story arc titled "The Ballad of Clint Barton and Wanda Maximoff."

It's not Hulk, his return will be later in 2007 in the World War Hulk arc, that's been made fairly clear. Greg Pak and Joe Q. stated it will happen May 2007 (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/JoeMonday_2.html), following directly from Planet Hulk. Also keep in mind, just like Quasar, Hawkeye and Hulk have nothing to do with that symbol.

From the solicits and Jenkins interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8830), the hero is made to sound like one of Marvel's greatest heroes, and somebody who's been out of the loop on a universal scale for a while. Going on that, Captain Marvel fits. So does Thor. If you aren't that familiar with Captain Marvel without having to look the name up, that DOESN'T mean he's not that big a deal, it just means you don't know a huge chunk of Marvel history. Further, he's likely had more of a connection to the Negative Zone than any other major hero in the Marvel U.

The broach deal Venus wears has eight points, but none of those points extend similarly to the one on The Return, not like CM's do. Further it's the exact same yellow color as CM's. If we're going to look at that cover as an indicator of who's returning, it points to Captain Marvel all the way. Everyone suggesting Nova, Hulk, Venus or Quasar, or trying to argue that it probably isn't Captain Marvel, is reaching.

That's not to say it's a foregone conclusion, but it's pretty clear who the frontrunner is. Assuming that cover means anything at all.

My guess is obviously Captain Marvel, or if not the original, one of his various "children" or someone else taking up the Captain Marvel mantle. Barring that, I'd say maybe Thor. Mayyybe.

[Chris Thomas]

Mar-Vell Shmarvell!

I had never heard of this character until that Return cover came out. Why do people think that he warrants his own "return" book? Seems to me it's just some random cosmic character whose only claim to fame (now that I've researched it) was some "Death of" Graphic Novel. If you hardcore readers wind up being right, it'll be a bad thing for Marvel, because trust me - the majority of readers out there have no idea, nor care, who Mar-Vell is. Nova would've made sense, except he's definintely not in the 42. Quasar isn't important enough. So, Mar-vell seems to be the defauly answer, which is a stupid thing for Marvel to be marketing so heavily.


I agree with this post for 2 reasons:

1. young readers will not know or care about mar-vell

2. many old readers will be put-off by his return. that was one of the very few (if not the only death now that batman's former robin is back) that actually MEANT something in th comic world. a death that stuck.

[NeoSapien]

2. many old readers will be put-off by his return. that was one of the very few (if not the only death now that batman's former robin is back) that actually MEANT something in th comic world. a death that stuck.
There's still Barry Allen.

For now.

[Cthulhudrew]

First off, Andy Schmidt straight up answered the question of whether The Return involved Nova, with a flatout no.

If you've been following the "Ask Andy!" thread over there for any length of time, you'll know that Andy isn't above, umm... misrepresenting the truth when it impacts potential future storylines. I can't recall offhand where he's outright lied, but he certain isn't straightforward with things all the time (which is as it should be- future storylines or plotlines shouldn't be revealed before the book comes out; I'm in total agreement with him on that.)

I'm not saying it will be Nova, but I'm just saying you should take your sources into account before accepting blanket statements like this from them.

It's not Hawkeye, Bendis was quoted at Wizard World Chicago back in August discussing Hawkeye's real return to be featured in New Avengers #26, in a story arc titled "The Ballad of Clint Barton and Wanda Maximoff."

Again, the source thing. I don't think it will be Clint (it certainly doesn't seem like it), but Bendis isn't above misrepresenting future events in order to preserve the sanctity of the story either.

If you aren't that familiar with Captain Marvel without having to look the name up, that DOESN'T mean he's not that big a deal, it just means you don't know a huge chunk of Marvel history.

I don't know that I'd call it a huge chunk of Marvel history. Really, how many Captain Marvel storylines can you mention outside of the "Death of" graphic novel? Anything where he was absolutely instrumental in the MU and/or its salvation? (Only other one that comes to my mind is the first Thanos Cosmic Cube story-arc).

His legacy is really only his death, and that didn't really play a huge part in the development of the MU.

Further, he's likely had more of a connection to the Negative Zone than any other major hero in the Marvel U.

This is true. Aside from Mar-Vell, only Genis-Vell has had longstanding connections to the Negative Zone (well, him and the FF, but him moreso). Even those were shifted in his second series to the Microverse.

[kidpernicious]

2. many old readers will be put-off by his return. that was one of the very few (if not the only death now that batman's former robin is back) that actually MEANT something in th comic world. a death that stuck.

I don't imagine Marvel would care. They've nearly gone Clone Saga crazy bringing back an alternate timeline version of Uncle Ben in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Bucky's been retconned back to life in Captain America as the Winter Soldier. The traditional three characters everyone thought were dead forever were Bucky, Uncle Ben and Jason Todd, who as you mentioned is back in Batman's world too, so so much for that.

That the death of Captain Marvel actually meant something doesn't change the fact that Marvel can and probably will (even if it's not in The Return) resurrect the guy someday. Nor does that even really lessen the effect of the original Death of Captain Marvel book. Especially given the distance, I'd think.

Also, after thinking a little more into it, I think it'd be safe to rule out all the other Captain Marvels that've come and gone. That'd include Carol Danvers (Ms. Marvel, went by Captain Marvel in House of M), who is already active in the Civil War and doesn't wear the pertinent symbol currently; Monica Rambeau, who hasn't gone by "Captain Marvel" for a bit or used the symbol, and, outside a small cameo in Civil War, it's probably safe to say she's only for the Nextwave sandbox Ellis is using her in; Phyla-Vell, involved in Annihilation and not quite a fit for the description of one of Marvel's greatest heroes returning to an unfamiliar universe; and Genis-Vell, currently dead (which again ain't much of a factor), and also never came close to the level of acclaim and greatness of his father, having in fact gone insane and destroyed the universe in the past. All of them seem fairly unlikely, but OG Mar-Vell fits everything I've seen from solicits, Joe Q and Paul Jenkins. Unless it's all misdirection and misinformation.

But it's definitely not Beta Ray Bill or Radioactive Man. I'm just gonna call that one right now.

[kidpernicious]

If you've been following the "Ask Andy!" thread over there for any length of time, you'll know that Andy isn't above, umm... misrepresenting the truth when it impacts potential future storylines. I can't recall offhand where he's outright lied, but he certain isn't straightforward with things all the time (which is as it should be- future storylines or plotlines shouldn't be revealed before the book comes out; I'm in total agreement with him on that.)

-snip-

Again, the source thing. I don't think it will be Clint (it certainly doesn't seem like it), but Bendis isn't above misrepresenting future events in order to preserve the sanctity of the story either.

I don't know that I'd call it a huge chunk of Marvel history. Really, how many Captain Marvel storylines can you mention outside of the "Death of" graphic novel? Anything where he was absolutely instrumental in the MU and/or its salvation? (Only other one that comes to my mind is the first Thanos Cosmic Cube story-arc).

His legacy is really only his death, and that didn't really play a huge part in the development of the MU.

I can agree with that for the most part. For most readers his death is likely the only obvious Captain Marvel storyline that comes to mind, admittedly me included. But anyone familiar with that read knows how much Captain Marvel was respected by other Marvel characters, and he's a major hero for the Kree. The storylines he was involved in affected a good chunk of following history, mainly for the Kree and Avengers. Ms. Marvel is a major player in the current Marvel U and only exists thanks to Captain Marvel. I'd also say his connection with Rick Jones somewhat ups his profile, but maybe that's reaching. I think from my point of view he matters more to Marvel History mainly because he matters to a lot of Marvel characters, but that's just how I see it.

Of course, if we counted Earth/Universe/Paradise-X, Captain Marvel is pretty much the end all be all of everything. But no.

As for editors and writers planting misinformation... one, if Nova is in The Return, Andy Schmidt would have outright lied when specifically asked about it, which I don't expect. Two, Bendis' Hawkeye comments are only useful here in disputing the Hawkeye theory, which doesn't have much going for it anyway, mainly for the fact Hawkeye's been hinted at being back for a while now, so any misdirection on his part is somewhat superfluous here. And three, I fully admit, anything we've seen so far could mean squat. But if we want to look at it all and try to discuss what it might mean IF it's credible, then Captain Marvel's the guy it all points to. That's all I'm arguing for.

[firestarfan]

I don't know that I'd call it a huge chunk of Marvel history. Really, how many Captain Marvel storylines can you mention outside of the "Death of" graphic novel? Anything where he was absolutely instrumental in the MU and/or its salvation? (Only other one that comes to my mind is the first Thanos Cosmic Cube story-arc).




Rasm Frasm Whippersnappers.

First off, "The Death of Captain Marvel" wasn't just "a" graphic novel. It was THE graphic novel. The first one EVER published by Marvel. Without the impact of this book, the comic book industry doesn't exist as it does today.

Mar-Vell was also a part of that Thanos story, but he was also a major player in the Kree-Skrull War, one of the events that has undoubtedly shaped the Marvel Universe, and the one that inspired the birth of the illuminati.

Not only THAT, but the villain who was responsible (albeit somewhat indirectly) for his death was none other than our pal Nitro.

Although I'm pissed at Marvel for bringing him back and undoing one of my favorite stories ever, at least they're doing it with a lot of fanfare.

[juggalotus]

All im saying is back in fantastic 4 538 or civil war 1 or 2
somebody picked up thors hammer in oklahoma

[Mystique25]

I don't know how much this will help, or if it's already been brought up, but if you go back to issue 232 of Uncanny X-men you can see that eight pointed star thing drawn by Madelyne Pryor. Just wanted to throw that out since I saw it today.

[Blackcat]

All im saying is back in fantastic 4 538 or civil war 1 or 2
somebody picked up thors hammer in oklahoma
Maybe it's Thor-girl? She is shown by Marvel to be on the pro-side, but hasn't been shown in any book so far. Makes me wonder why she was put on the pro-side on the list.

My guess: She will enter the story and be the one who picked up the Hammer.

On the other hand, she ain't populair at all (most readers have never seen her), so why bring her, of all heroes, into the story as a suprise act?

[The Fury]

It's Mar-Vell. It's Mar-Vell. It's Mar-Vell.

Come on, people. It's Mar-Vell.

And Marvel sucks for doing this.
If it is Mar-vell, yes it does suck and they suck for bringing a character that has more meaning on the MU as dead then he ever will alive.

But people are always presuming it's the return of a character. Sentry's part of the story has nothing to do with 'Returning' at all yet he still has half an issue to himself.

Sure then 'The Return' tagline is not the return of something, it's the return to something.

I have a theory of what it is, I've posted it at the LWW forums there.

[cfutino]

Maybe the cover is about the Sentry.
If that's the case, the "surprise" character could be just about anyone who's been missing

[Mark Thorson]

But people are always presuming it's the return of a character.


From the solicit:

Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom's greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize.

Sounds like the return of a character to me.

[maniacmatt]

From the ask Tom Brevoort Thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cayman
Is the solicited cover for Civil War: The Return the final cover?


Wait and see.

Tom B


Surprised no one's mentioned this...

[drwho]

No one here thinks they may turn marvel boy from the ya/runaways mini into a new captain marvel. That was kind of a rumor.

[MakeshiftHero]

No one here thinks they may turn marvel boy from the ya/runaways mini into a new captain marvel. That was kind of a rumor.
But Marvel Boy, Noh-Varr (spelling?) is more of a bad guy than a good guy, in his mini he destroyed a big part of the city and in both that and the YA/Runaways story he's been shown saying something along the lines of "welcome to the new capital city of the kree empire"
Not to mention that he's in The Cube.

[MakeshiftHero]

But on the topic of Marvel Boy/Noh-Varr, I heard that theres a chance that he will be getting another mini or even an ongoing. And with him showing up in the YA/Runaways mini I'm going to say that it might be more than just a chance.

[The Fury]

From the solicit:

Within The Negative Zone, the walls of 42, are pulled back to reveal the return of one of the Marveldom's greatest heroes…now face-to-face with a Universe they no longer recognize.

Sounds like the return of a character to me.
Okay, okay. Good evidence.

But my wild no sense theories tells me theres's mroe then that. I still belive it is also a return to something.

[Cayman]

Shouldn't the book be returnable if they advertise it with one character's symbol and switch it at the last minute?

[kirkindenver]

My guess would have to be THOR!! The one TRUE Thunder God!!
.....and hopefully he kicks the crap outta that clone phoney that Reed cooked up in his lab!!

[kirkindenver]

[QUOTE=Cthulhudrew;3967006]I don't know that I'd call it a huge chunk of Marvel history. Really, how many Captain Marvel storylines can you mention outside of the "Death of" graphic novel? Anything where he was absolutely instrumental in the MU and/or its salvation? (Only other one that comes to my mind is the first Thanos Cosmic Cube story-arc).

His legacy is really only his death, and that didn't really play a huge part in the development of the MU.


there is also the first Kree/Skrull war, Mar-Vell played a HUGE role in that, and I think that he was a part of the Celestial Madonna story line also (unsure)

[PatchMadripoor]

Maybe the cover is a red herring. Maybe one of the Dr.'s staffed at the prison is a Dr. D. Blake.

[oneasian]

Maybe the cover is a red herring. Maybe one of the Dr.'s staffed at the prison is a Dr. D. Blake.


oh man. how crazy would that be?

i can see it now:

Tony Stark: Mr. D. Blake eh? First Name?

Blake: Just D Sir. My friends call me D.

Tony: No relation to a Donald Blake, the man who once wielded Mjolnir?

Blake: That's not how you spell it.

Tony: Are you Donald Blake or not?

Blake: No.

Tony: Welcome aboard! You'll be stationed in the negative zone where we make clones of Thor!

Blake: What?

Tony: Get to work.

hahaha

[Titanium]

It just occurred to me that the returning hero is Nova. Coming from the other end of the Negative Zone? The final showdown for Annihilation could be Nova vs Annhilus in the negative zone. The symbol is his helmet ingsignia too.

Nova after saving both the negative zone and the universe finds a way back home and discovers all the stuff that was really going down on his home planet while he was busy saving the universe from a foe Reed Richards should have been helping him with instead of building a prison. Sounds about right.

[kidpernicious]

It just occurred to me that the returning hero is Nova. Coming from the other end of the Negative Zone? The final showdown for Annihilation could be Nova vs Annhilus in the negative zone. The symbol is his helmet ingsignia too.

Nova after saving both the negative zone and the universe finds a way back home and discovers all the stuff that was really going down on his home planet while he was busy saving the universe from a foe Reed Richards should have been helping him with instead of building a prison. Sounds about right.

Except Andy Schmidt in the Annihilation question thread has flatout said it's not Nova.

[drwho]

New theory for the thread. In the end of Beyond gravity dies but it says uatuh came to watch him and also mentions he will influence the future So maybe this upstart is the new Capt. Marvel.

[Titanium]

Except Andy Schmidt in the Annihilation question thread has flatout said it's not Nova.

Even further proof it could be Nova. They wouldn't say it was nova if asked.

[Mjolnir]

New theory for the thread. In the end of Beyond gravity dies but it says uatuh came to watch him and also mentions he will influence the future So maybe this upstart is the new Capt. Marvel.

i doubt it, Marvel like to wait for dust to settle before doing that.

but SHOULD it happen, i'm in. i love the character

[sookibong]

New theory for the thread. In the end of Beyond gravity dies but it says uatuh came to watch him and also mentions he will influence the future So maybe this upstart is the new Capt. Marvel.

I thought the same thing after I read the issue. A much better idea than resurrecting yet another notably dead character.

[drwho]

Also Joe Q has said in the past on joe fridays that the character likely to replace Capt.Marvel has appeared in books currently.

[j940651]

Rasm Frasm Whippersnappers.

First off, "The Death of Captain Marvel" wasn't just "a" graphic novel. It was THE graphic novel. The first one EVER published by Marvel. Without the impact of this book, the comic book industry doesn't exist as it does today.

Mar-Vell was also a part of that Thanos story, but he was also a major player in the Kree-Skrull War, one of the events that has undoubtedly shaped the Marvel Universe, and the one that inspired the birth of the illuminati.

Not only THAT, but the villain who was responsible (albeit somewhat indirectly) for his death was none other than our pal Nitro.

Although I'm pissed at Marvel for bringing him back and undoing one of my favorite stories ever, at least they're doing it with a lot of fanfare.

You nailed it. You kinda pwned the whole thread.
How did Civil War begin? Nitro killing heroes - again.
How will Civil War end? Mar-Vell destroying Nitro to the delight of everyone.
They practically spelled it out in Wizard's pre-Civil War report.

Wizard Magazine #175 / May 2006
- Waging War - pg. 76

"Some argue that today's fans know the character being suggested as a candidate for resurrection as a symbol rather than as a person."

Symbol.
The Return.
The cover of The Return.
The symbol.

His symbol.

[firestarfan]

Okay - even though I'm still nearly 100% convinced it's Mar-Vell, I was reading this (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.623) story on Marvel's website earlier today, and something struck me as odd.

At the end, an unnamed staffer and the unfortunately named Steve Wacker have the following exchange:

Staffer: Let's talk CIVIL WAR: THE RETURN. I need to know who's coming back.
Wacker: Ask away. Doesn't mean I'm really gonna tell you anything.
Staffer: What about Jean Grey?
Wacker: She'll continue to return every other month as she has since 1986.
Staffer: [unintelligible] Loki?
Wacker: You mean Clo-ki?
Staffer: Gotta be Captain Marvel…the original one.
Wacker: Yes, it's him.
Wacker: Oops.
Staffer: Smart guy. Then his son, the other Captain Marvel…Genis-Vell?
Wacker: Yes, it's him.
Wacker: Oops.
Staffer: [expletive deleted]! What about whatshisname…Adam Warlock?
Wacker: Yes, it's him.
Wacker: OOPS!
Staffer: [heavy sigh] I can fire you, y'know. What about X-Man?
Wacker: That's Axel.
Staffer: Quasar, [expletive deleted]! QUASAR!!!
Wacker: I'll give you this much...odds are good you'll see him soon enough.
Staffer: Okay, okay, now get outta here!

As a huge Adam Warlock fan, I thought it was weird that a) he'd be mentioned at all, since I thought it was fairly obvious that the returning hero was Mar-Vell, and b) that Warlock got the biggest "OOPS" and an exclamation point from Wacker.

Again, not a huge deal - but then I re-read the article, and caught something else. Here's the 5th paragraph...

Editor Wacker pauses, unsure of exactly how much he can say. "The book is the ground floor of a return to greatness for a character who's given a second chance to make things right. You'll be able to follow Him later this year in his own book, hopefully."

Read that last sentence again. Notice that "Him" is capitalized. From a grammatical standpoint this makes absolutely no sense, UNLESS the "Him" in quesion is a proper noun.

Guess who used to go by the name "Him."

Adam Warlock.

Sure, maybe they're both coincidences, or maybe it's a huge red herring meant to get us Warlock fans all excited, and I have no idea why Marvel would be making such a big deal about Warlock's return, and it still makes no sense why, if they were bringing Warlock back, it would be done in the pages of Civil War and not Annihilation -- though this might also explain why the usually cosmically omnipresent Warlock has been noticeably absent in that series.

What do you guys think? Is Marvel dropping a big hint here? Or is the "OOPS!" thing a coincidence, and the capitalized "Him" just a typo?

[Quicksilver801]

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.623?&utm_source=stories+-+tab+box&utm_medium=link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.623%3F&utm_campaign=front+page+tracking

"In the first story, we see the return of one of the Universe's greatest soldiers," says Wacker, clearly both excited and agitated by the revelation. "A hero many thought we'd never see again."

I dont know who it could be. I dont think its thor. Maybe someone thats been gone much longer. Hawkeye is the only one i can really think of but what would his importance bein Civil War.

a few weeks to go so who knows??

[Sean Walsh]

"....Universe's greatest SOLDIERS"?

Oh, I do believe it's Mar-Vell.

[StoneGold]

Nah, watch, it's Junior Juniper. Dead since Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos #4

[MAK15]

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.623?&utm_source=stories+-+tab+box&utm_medium=link&utm_content=%2Fnews%2Fcomicstories.623%3F&utm_campaign=front+page+tracking




wow. Sentry vs. The Absorbin man.

[Harding Prime]

He said X-Man, Nate Grey! I heard Em!

Seriously though, when does this come out?

[Karl O'Neill]

Anyone have any guesses as who could be the main character of
Civil War: The Return?

it is captain marvel. for sure.

[Harding Prime]

it is captain marvel. for sure.

Why would it be Captain Mar-Vell is my question, all of the sudden. How long has he been dead?

[Karl O'Neill]

Why would it be Captain Mar-Vell is my question, all of the sudden. How long has he been dead?

i can't give you the why honestly. it is captain mar-vell.

[Harding Prime]

25 years after his death they are going to bring back a cosmic character few people know about to kick the crap out of Sentry????

....works for me, as long as Sentry gets his ass handed to him, lol!

[XPac]

25 years after his death they are going to bring back a cosmic character few people know about to kick the crap out of Sentry????

....works for me, as long as Sentry gets his ass handed to him, lol!

The thing is, unless it's Genis-Vell Captain Marvel really couldn't kick the crap out of Sentry.

Truthfully Captain Mar-Vell wasn't actually that powerful. Of the Captain Marvels I think the original was the weakest of the bunch. He'd likely show up just to get his butt kicked BY Sentry.

[drwho]

It could also be the return of either hulk or thor. I find it hard to believe marvel wouldnt be trying to hype World War Hulk or the new Thor series by having them not appear in any civil war title books. Also on ebay someone had an auction up for a civil war returns cover variant supposedly that was a sketch of the Hulk on it. It wasnt verified for sure it was the cover, but you never know. I'm starting to smell cover up now all the variant issues on ebay are blank.

[Harding Prime]

It could also be the return of either hulk or thor. I find it hard to believe marvel wouldnt be trying to hype World War Hulk or the new Thor series by having them not appear in any civil war title books. Also on ebay someone had an auction up for a civil war returns cover variant supposedly that was a sketch of the Hulk on it. It wasnt verified for sure it was the cover, but you never know.

I'm saying, of all the big name characters that can make a big return, any Captain Marvel would be an extreme let down.

And still the question, when does this come out?

[XPac]

It could also be the return of either hulk or thor. I find it hard to believe marvel wouldnt be trying to hype World War Hulk or the new Thor series by having them not appear in any civil war title books. Also on ebay someone had an auction up for a civil war returns cover variant supposedly that was a sketch of the Hulk on it. It wasnt verified for sure it was the cover, but you never know.

If not for a few of the Captain Marvel-ish clues, I would have thought it would be Thor too. We know he's returning pretty soon, so this would have been as good a way as any to show it.

Hulk has his own on-going series, so he truthfully doesn't need a seperate book to hype up his return.

[Berkey]

It could also be the return of either hulk or thor. I find it hard to believe marvel wouldnt be trying to hype World War Hulk or the new Thor series by having them not appear in any civil war title books. Also on ebay someone had an auction up for a civil war returns cover variant supposedly that was a sketch of the Hulk on it. It wasnt verified for sure it was the cover, but you never know.

Agreed I think thor might get the nod here onlt b/c his clone running around and well I'd be pretty pissed if they cloned me without me knowing. Hulk, maybe but rom what I read hes not a lone so that would either mean the last issue would be a truce between the 2 sides to try and stop him which I think would be lame so we'll see I'm hoping either thor or somehow real Daredevil dammit why couldn't he have a piece of the pie

[Harding Prime]

Nevermind, Jan. 17th, got it!

I saw that Hulk "Variant" on ebay, that could be totally fake though.

[drwho]

Yeah but it is suspicious to me a little now where when ive checked again they just have white covers with the words civil war: the return and nothing else at all on it.Also more people read civil war than hulk and we know how well every p.o.c. that has civil war on it sells alot they could bring in more readers.

[Karl O'Neill]

The thing is, unless it's Genis-Vell Captain Marvel really couldn't kick the crap out of Sentry.

Truthfully Captain Mar-Vell wasn't actually that powerful. Of the Captain Marvels I think the original was the weakest of the bunch. He'd likely show up just to get his butt kicked BY Sentry.

aunt may would kick the crap outta the sentry.

He's merely a superman pastiche. and the worst.

at least apollo and hyperion are somewhat cool.

[drwho]

Exhibit A:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n241/miamiuu/hulk1.jpg?t=1168115145

[XPac]

aunt may would kick the crap outta the sentry.

He's merely a superman pastiche. and the worst.

at least apollo and hyperion are somewhat cool.

Kicking the crap out of a Superman pastiche is not an easy task, even for an Aunt May. In fact, as far as Supermen pastiche's go, I'd arge he's one of the more powerful ones.

[drwho]

It is looking like absorbing man vs sentry will actually be an interesting match Anyone remember when he got a hold of the quantum bands power?

[XPac]

It is looking like absorbing man vs sentry will actually be an interesting match Anyone remember when he got a hold of the quantum bands power?

There's no doubt that Absorbing Man would be one of the most powerful beings on earth if he had even half a brain.

If Sentry needs some rogues, Absorbing Man works reasonably well.

[Karl O'Neill]

Kicking the crap out of a Superman pastiche is not an easy task, even for an Aunt May. In fact, as far as Supermen pastiche's go, I'd arge he's one of the more powerful ones.

ah come on he's horrible,

ripping carnage apart in space had people laughing uncontrollably for months.

[MAK15]

Exhibit A:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n241/miamiuu/hulk1.jpg?t=1168115145

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

[Harding Prime]

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

Seriously, anyone could have pasted that together, I ain't buying.

[Mariah]

Exhibit A:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n241/miamiuu/hulk1.jpg?t=1168115145
http://www.marvel.com/globals/view_generic.htm?filename=/i/content/st/623new_storyimage7942974_full.jpg
With such an Iconic image as that, I'd have to say it's hard to say it can't be Captain Marvel. I personally am happy to see a Captain Marvel return in any light. Sure, Genis hasn't been gone all that long, and we have Phyla, but *barfs* that's how I feel on Phyla.

[MAK15]

we'll prolly learn more about it next week, either via New Joe Fridays or some wizard preview.
but godsdamnit, why cant the return come ouyt next week instead of two weeks?
the suspense is killing me!

[drwho]

we'll prolly learn more about it next week, either via New Joe Fridays or some wizard preview.
but godsdamnit, why cant the return come ouyt next week instead of two weeks?
the suspense is killing me!

We all know that is how the marvel hype machine works. They get you all excited and when it finally comes out it is the return of someone like Rocket Raccoon, or Rocket racer.

[MAK15]

maybe it'll be the return of this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whizzer

[MAK15]

We all know that is how the marvel hype machine works. They get you all excited and when it finally comes out it is the return of someone like Rocket Raccoon, or Rocket racer.

dude, rocket racoon would be hilarious!
he could cling to the sentry's face and claw his eyes out!
:D :D :D :D

[drwho]

Here is more of a clue from diamond. I was hoping they would totally screw up again.

The one-shot will look deep into the histories of two characters who would like nothing more than to abandon their inner demons and troubled pasts. The mighty Sentry struggles with memories of battles fought in the past and the future, while the walls of the Negative Zone prison, 42, are opened to herald the return of one of Marvel's greatest heroes. Now both champions must face a Marvel Universe that neither recognizes anymore.

Noticed inner demons and troubled past equals Hulk more than Captain Marvel. Would Captain Marvel have any inner demons? I dont know much about the character.

[Harding Prime]

dude, rocket racoon would be hilarious!
he could cling to the sentry's face and claw his eyes out!
:D :D :D :D

Just as long as someone kicks Sentry's ass. Apparently the second story of "The Return" is about the Queertry, I mean Sentry, so maybe they have something up there sleeve. But also they said it will have an impact on the Hulk, so maybe the Hulk can also whoop his ass.

[XPac]

Here is more of a clue from diamond. I was hoping they would totally screw up again.

The one-shot will look deep into the histories of two characters who would like nothing more than to abandon their inner demons and troubled pasts. The mighty Sentry struggles with memories of battles fought in the past and the future, while the walls of the Negative Zone prison, 42, are opened to herald the return of one of Marvel's greatest heroes. Now both champions must face a Marvel Universe that neither recognizes anymore.

Noticed inner demons and troubled past equals Hulk more than Captain Marvel. Would Captain Marvel have any inner demons? I dont know much about the character.

Original Cap not so much... but Genis-Vell certainly had his share of demons. Though it's probably not him since he falls well short of the decription "marvel's greatest heroes."

[Harding Prime]

Original Cap not so much... but Genis-Vell certainly had his share of demons. Though it's probably not him since he falls well short of the decription "marvel's greatest heroes."

So does Mar-Vell...25 years people!

[XPac]

So does Mar-Vell...25 years people!

Being old doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a great hero. At his time, I think labelling him a great hero was reasonable.

[drwho]

Any hero they choose to hype becomes great. I know I won't be dancing in the streets if it is the original Captain Marvel. :D

[StoneGold]

Actually, I may not be too far off on that Juniper joke. Watch, it ends up just being Fury.

[Harding Prime]

Being old doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a great hero. At his time, I think labelling him a great hero was reasonable.

Not just being old, but being dead 25 years! Most people have no idea who this character is and might get him confused with Shazam! A Captain Marvel return is no worth this much hype, if any.

[MAK15]

Not just being old, but being dead 25 years! Most people have no idea who this character is and might get him confused with Shazam! A Captain Marvel return is no worth this much hype, if any.

but a bunch of Joe Friday interviews say that the character isn't Mar-vell. and I dont think it's Genis Vell since he's dead. also, Monica Rambeu is Pulsar now, so...

[Harding Prime]

but a bunch of Joe Friday interviews say that the character isn't Mar-vell. and I dont think it's Genis Vell since he's dead. also, Monica Rambeu is Pulsar now, so...

Well I hope its not, but I'm just speaking to everyone else that says it is...

[MAK15]

Maybe its the return of Magneto after escaping esplody doom in New Avengers 20

[Harding Prime]

Marvel describes it as someone that has been gone for a long time and comes back to a MU that seems almost foreign to him.

[MAK15]

Marvel describes it as someone that has been gone for a long time and comes back to a MU that seems almost foreign to him.

well, crap. who the hell could tha be?
maybe we're overlooking something, maybe it's a woman, not a man they're bringing back.
but which chick coul they bring back that would fit that description?

[Harding Prime]

well, crap. who the hell could tha be?
maybe we're overlooking something, maybe it's a woman, not a man they're bringing back.
but which chick coul they bring back that would fit that description?

They also describe it as "Him"

[MAK15]

They also describe it as "Him"

oh, right.
my bad

[Harding Prime]

well, crap. who the hell could tha be?
maybe we're overlooking something, maybe it's a woman, not a man they're bringing back.
but which chick coul they bring back that would fit that description?

It could still be Thor, just Captain Marvel would be such a let down. A 2 part story and one half is about Sentry:rolleyes: I'm going to need a big pay off on the other half to save this huge deal they are making.

[MAK15]

It could still be Thor, just Captain Marvel would be such a let down. A 2 part story and one half is about Sentry:rolleyes: I'm going to need a big pay off on the other half to save this huge deal they are making.

Im honestly looking forward to the Sentry part. he's like my fave superman.

[StoneGold]

Seriously, I'm thinking it might be Fury. He's been gone for a bit, he's a soldier, and the MU is pretty different from the last issue of Secret Wars.

[MAK15]

Seriously, I'm thinking it might be Fury. He's been gone for a bit, he's a soldier, and the MU is pretty different from the last issue of Secret Wars.

yeah, but he's been keeping his eyes and ears open, too.
he knows about the civil war, he knows about the sentry comin back, he knows that there's stuff goin down.
and no one's forgotten about him, otherwise ehe wouldnt be in hiding.

[Shyft]

Its either going to be A Captain Marvel, or Thor, and the cover we've been shown is a red-herring.

[gunnerfan69]

I sure hope it isn't Captain Marvel. That would be somewhat of a let down and let the guy stay dead. I mean bringing Bucky back is one thing but Marvel is the one guy that has stayed dead...keep him that way...

My bet is the cover was to released to do just what it's doing now - generating a buzz for the title - and think Thor will be the one that returns...I mean Aborbing Man was his baddie in the first place so that could be the connection between Sentry and Thor...heck maybe Sentry is Thor? ;) They are both blonde with huge muscles after all...:D

Seriously a return of Marvel would be disappointing. As much as I like Nova that would also be a let down (unless of course he kicks Sentry's arse with his ramped up power from Annihiliation). Bring back Thor! That's what we want and need!:eek:

[lllhouselll]

i want HAWKEYE , but yeah it will probably be Mar-Vell *sigh*

[MAK15]

i want HAWKEYE , but yeah it will probably be Mar-Vell *sigh*

hawkeye's too busy bonin his killer to come back to the civil war

[lllhouselll]

yeah but i want him back lol

[vdox2]

All of these things speak for (the original)Captain marvel:

- Nitro and his role in the Civil War
- "...return of one of the Universe's greatest soldiers"
- "A hero many thought we'd never see again."
- The cover picture for The Return with the Captain Marvel logo in it
- The Annihilation and all the stuff going on with Thanos(as he was Mar-Vell's nemesis)
- The death/dissappearance of Quasar and the Nega Bands
- 42 and The Negative zone(that's where Rick Jones and Captain Mar-Vell went when they switched places via the Nega Bands)

But then again: "The book is the ground floor of a return to greatness for a character who's given a second chance to make things right. You'll be able to follow Him later this year in his own book, hopefully."

Steve Wacker could be talking about the Sentry, of course, as he is the star of the other half of the book. And I can't really see why'd Mar-Vell need a "second chance to make things right"(Other than be given a second chance to live, of course....)

Anyway, I really hope it's him. Could be Thor too, but I hope not(and we know for sure that he's returning anyway, in series written by JMS). Marvel has started taking some really big daring steps and I hope it won't stop here. It's time to see how much they can squeeze out of a character who's been out for over 20 years.

[Jmacq1]

Mar-Vell would be a travesty. He had one of the best deaths in comics (and really it was only his death that gave him such great prominence/significance in the MU, not that he was a bad character or his heroic career was insignificant, just that he was never really on Marvel's "A-list").

Basically, unlike say, the "Winter Soldier" arc in Captain America's monthly title, there's no build-up, no lead-in, and not enough pages to make a good, meaningful story out of how and why the heck they're undoing one of the most poignant deaths Marvel ever had. It's completely random and serves little purpose other than shock value (Or I guess in this case "Reverse Shock Value" since it's bringing someone back instead of killing them).

Also, IIRC wasn't "The Return" basically a "fill in" title from when the delays kicked off? In other words while it may (emphasis on may) be a well-written book, it's probably not all that critical to the main story. So now it's even worse since the theoretical Mar-Vell resurrection is just a "tack on" to the main story. A resurrection like that needs not only a good explanation, but it needs to be more than just an afterthought or it loses its' significance before it even happens.

Incidentally, the Nega-Bands are still in the possession of Phyla Vell as of Annihilation #5, I believe. The Quantum Bands were what Quasar used, not the Nega-Bands. And beyond all that, if Mar-Vell were returning, "Annihilation" would have been a far better/more appropriate place for that to occur than "Civil War".

[Nomad]

Daredevil? Bucky? Hulk? Ant-man II? Dr. Strange?

[vdox2]

Yeah, you're right. Nega and quantum bands...mixed the two.

But let's face the facts. Almost NO-ONE who has ever been even the slightest bit popular or had as much influence on the other characters, as Captain Marvel has, never stays dead in Marvel(or DC)Universe for too long(I'm sure we'll see Barry in a year or two...). Besides, he's been out of the picture for twenty years and there are lots of characters related to him out there, Phyla and Hulkling, just for an example.

I do agree with you that bringing back characters from dead is not a good idea, but if it's going to happen it's better to bring them back with a reason and with an appropriate timing. And could there be a better timing than to bring someone, who's been gone for so long, back to a world that has just gone through major changes and to "...a Universe they no longer recognize."

Even though it's not been two decades in Marvel U timeline, I think there are lots of stories to be told, not only with the family related stuff but also with a "Soldier-Out-Of-Time"-aspect(and we know who just loves to write that kinda stories...Mark Millar).

And as for The Return just being a fill-in story to Civil War delays, that's not necessarily true. The original plan may not have been to release it as a Civil War tie-in(even the though Sentry's story probably has a lot to do with Civil War. It could have been originally planned to be released just before World War Hulk, because if it really is Mar-Vell who is returning, he may have an interesting connection to the story. He shared link with Rick Jones, who also shared an unique friendship with the Hulk, even when everyone else seemed to hate and fear him

So I think there's just so much potential in Captain Marvel if he's done right. What Jim Starlin thinks about this is another thing. He made Captain Marvel famous and wrote one of the best superhero death stories ever, and if they're going to bring back a character he killed, he might not be interested in writing him anymore. I sure hope he would, though.

[MAK15]

Yeah, you're right. Nega and quantum bands...mixed the two.

. Besides, he's been out of the picture for twenty years and there are lots of characters related to him out there, Phyla and Hulkling, just for an example.
.

oh yeah, isnt he Hulklinkg's old man?

[vdox2]

Yes, he is. And Teddy(Hulkling) is Mar-Vell's eldest son. Genis-Vell was born after Mar-Vell's death and artificially aged to maturity. Same goes for Phyla-Vell.

[drwho]

Quasar always had to Quantum bands and not the Nega bands. Also wasn't there an interview where Joe actually said whoever is taking up the new captain marvel mantle has been shown in the comics in the past year? Could of sworn he mentioned that on a Joe Fridays and the original capt. marvel hasnt been seen in 20 some odd years. Also it is a little crummy to give this character if they are so mighty only a 10 issue story in this book since Sentry is in the other half. If it was such a big thing you think they would have made a full sized comic story for his return. I still think it is one of my theories.

1 Sentry changes his name to Captain Marvel. I would think this would be the best thing. Because with a new identity people would forget about Sentry hence no void. Also Sentry is the Superman of Marvel. He is supposed to be the top gun so I think it would be smart if Marvel made him so.

2 Noh Var becomes Captain Marvel.
3 Hulking takes up the name Captain Marvel.
4 Genis returns from the dead sane again