Do You Acknowledge Stephanie Brown as Robin?

[Young Avenger]

Personally, I don't view Steph as being Robin. Sure she used the identity for a while but she was nothing more than a place holder. I see her as that chick that just wore the costume until the "real" Robin returned. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against her as a character but I don't acknowledge her being Robin.

[Headhunter]

Yes, but with a heavy qualifier. I'd put her on roughly the same level as Jean Paul Valley as the Dark Knight.

[Kaos]

not even close to being robin

[knightsintights]

I think she should be recognized as Robin. I think it would have been cool to see her in the Uniform for a while Longer, She was in it for what? 2 months before she was killed off.

I wasnt that much of a fan of hers but when they killed her off I was dissapointed. Anyone else feel that way? After the Vesper Murder, the Bat Universe has really lagged.

[Magneto_X]

Yes.

Such uptapped potential with Steph as either Spoiler and Robin. Would have been great if she had permanently took over Robin from Tim.

[Damo]

The newspapers said she was.

The press releases said she was.

Batman said she was.

Meanwhile the writers were planning to screw her over and kill her, but come on.

[Armless Penguin]

She certainly should not have been killed/written off, but I also don't think she should have permanently been Robin. The outsider perpective was much more interesting, in my opinion.

[Doom]

I will maintain that if she wore the uniform, it was HER uniform. I really don't like the idea that an idendity can be immutable and more important then the people who assume it.

[Lester C.]

Yes. Damn shame I finally started enjoying her as a character when they um removed her from the bat family after War Games.

[Bloody Thumb]

Spolier became Robin for one reason, and one reason only. The Writers wanted to Kill Robin, without getting rid of Tim Drake. So they wasted all the potential of the Stephanie Brown character. That Sucked. I liked Spoiler, I liked Spoiler with the Cassandra Cain Batgirl. Thier was a lot of potential story telling involving Batgirl dealing with Spoiler going from the outside, that far inside. It could have been some fun story telling. I really don't MIND that they killed her, they just should have used for awhile to establish her in the identity so that we actually CARED when she died. I like the idea of a female Robin and i think it could have worked. Truth is though, no one really wanted it to work, they just needed a body and didn't want to kill another "Real" Robin.

[The Shadow]

The newspapers said she was.

The press releases said she was.

Batman said she was.
Agreed.

Batman said she had the job.
She was Robin #4 (or 5 if you count Carrie Kelly)

[Lester C.]

Agreed.

Batman said she had the job.
She was Robin #4 (or 5 if you count Carrie Kelly)
She would still be four in any case as, from a chronological point of view, Carrie is still five as she is a baby if that in the modern DCU.

[the goddamn batman]

I would, except her time was all too brief. During a rather lack luster era of Batman's history.

I think she will be the Robin that time forgets. If she's even remembered, people willmost likely think she's Carrie Kelly.

[dreyga2000]

I do cobnsider her to be Robin infact I rather likeher short run as the Girl Wonder... at least she actually worked with Batman...

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Who are we to question Batman?

[MythicBrawn]

In DC canon, she was Robin. But, I think Superboy said it best, "She's not Robin, she's just wearing the uniform until Tim returns." I'm paraphrasing. Even Alfred recognized that Bruce only gave her the mantle to get Tim back in the role.

[The Xenos]

Yes she was Robin. As briefly as it lasted or was intended, she was. I kinda liked it. I missed Tim, but I liked Steph in the role. I would have liked to see her in it longer. I even wouldn't have minded her staying in the role. At the same time, I didn't mind Tim tacking it back.

Though I sure the hell didn't want her dead! That was terrible.

Oh and Steph dies, Leslie allowed it and finally is what killed her, yet Jason Todd runs around being a jackass to everyone.

I seriously want the whole Bat-offices fired, corperately carpetbombed, and someone with any care for the character put in charge. Either editors did these stupid things or they allowed writers to do stupid things with these characters.

[elias_A]

I'm not sure if she was really Robin, I prefered her as Spoiler, but she was a great character. She was cheerful but had a dark past and wanted so desparatly to become Batman's sidekick - that made her, in my view, so much more interesting than the Barbara Gordon Batgirl.
It was almost heartbreaking for me when, in Gotham Knights, Batman refused and told her coldly "you don't have the skills and the talent".
I hoped for years she would finally be accepted by him nevertheless - well, you know what happened then.

[Gary Joyce]

Yes she wore the uniform hell even before she wore the costume she took over Robin's book so to all extent and purposes she was Robin.

[Nate Grey]

Yes, but with a heavy qualifier. I'd put her on roughly the same level as Jean Paul Valley as the Dark Knight.

Same. But ironically, though, I've come to appreciate her worth post "death". I never liked the Spoiler costume (or name for that matter) but I always felt she belonged as a costumed crimefighter.

[Kieralinn]

I consider her Robin...even if for short while. She even asked Bats before she died if she ever really was Robin......he said yes. End of story:p

[muimi]

She was reduced to nothing more than a cheap plot device and later, a cheaper death but yes, she was still Robin. Was she a particularly good Robin? No. But she was still Robin.

[colossus34]

Yes, she was ROBIN more so than Jason Todd I think. Unlike Todd her death actually was wasted potential IMHO because now with Tim all we are getting is a retard of old Dick Grayson Robin stories, ie moving into the Batcave, sleeping in Dick's old room, father issues with Bruce etc...blah blah been done.

It was nice, exciting and different to see a girl in the Robin role. It would have been great to see a new dynamic and relationship between Batman and his protege Robin maybe more father/daughter moments and other different takes on classic apprentice/master relationship, much more original then what we have now which has grown real old.

[Alan2099]

She wasn't Robin. She was just Spoiler in a Robin costume.

[The Lucky One]

I accept her as Robin. I just don't accept her as dead.

-D

[shaunyc56]

I voted yes, because she was the kind of Robin I always wanted to see, she was just overzealous and obnoxious enough w/o being Jaon Todd.

I was too young for much of Dick Grayson being Robin, and from what I've gathered he was a bit too eager to please most of the time, But it was his seeming failure to please (to himself only) that made him grow to be such a good adult hero in his own right.

Jason Todd was way too much of a douche, too ungrateful, just too Jason Todd, hated him as a kid, love him alive as an adult.

Tim, I like Tim, but it just seems to be too easy for him to please. It's like everything comes so easy to him, I don't begrudge him, but he seems so capable it's almost like they dumb him down sometimes when he's standing next to Batman.

But Steph, was like the perfect mix of all the good things you wanted to see in a brand new Robin.

[kane]

I accept her as Robin. I just don't accept her as dead.

-D

I didn´t accept her as Robin. I accept her as dead. :)

[shaunyc56]

I didn´t accept her as Robin. I accept her as dead. :)


Not fresh, Steph and Oprpheus got the sh*t end of the stick in War Games. I think if they'd survived it would have made much more interesting story possibilites.

[phantom1592]

No, I don't think of her as Robin. I don't think Batman does either. He just wanted to screw with Tim. When he talked to her he was just being nice.

If he really considered her Robin, Why isn't her costume on display in the cave? I agree with whoever said she's the robin time will forget.

[TROUBLEZ]

She was never Robin. Nope. Just wore the costume.

[The Lucky One]

I didn´t accept her as Robin. I accept her as dead. :)

Never read Chuck Dixon's Robin issues, huh?

-D

[Drink]

I say yes, even though it was short lived. DC really missed an opportunity by kicking her out of the costume so quickly and then killing her off.

And then started the process of making Tim Drake become Dick Grayson 2.0

[saintsaucey]

Stephanie Brown as Robin is the reason I started reading comics. It was like ooh a female robin. must be carrie. the guy at the comic store was like nope. and from then on it was like i had been reading comics my whole life. I have two towers worth of comics 24 boxes.

Yes steph was robin. I would have prefered she stayed robin and tim became the new blue beetle.

[Azrael52]

Yeah, I consider her to have been robin, though, I always think of her as Spoiler when I think of her.

[Evan Waters]

She wore the costume, and Batman let her. What other criteria are there?

I'm disappointed at the lack of a memorial case.

[Jaye]

^ By "memorial case" do you mean like her costume in a glass thing in the cave? Because I'm pretty sure there is one, with her hooded thing.

[Krypton King]

No

Then again, I don't acknowledge Cassie Cain as Batgirl, Helen Bertenelli as Huntress or Guy Garder as a Green Lantern either.

[kane]

Never read Chuck Dixon's Robin issues, huh?

-D

I have almost every Robin issue. I don´t know which are written by Dixon, but spoiler was always annyoing.

[DEWLine]

Not only "yes", but "HELL, Yes!!!"

[Magneto_X]

No

Then again, I don't acknowledge Cassie Cain as Batgirl, Helen Bertenelli as Huntress or Guy Garder as a Green Lantern either.

You have no soul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[Magneto_X]

I have almost every Robin issue. I don´t know which are written by Dixon, but spoiler was always annyoing.

Read the issues where Spoiler shows up in Batgirl. She's great in that.

[hmnut73]

I see it like being President. Once she is sworn in she has the position even if she is killed half a second later. Batman called her "Robin" she was "Robin" I don't see how this a debate.