View Full Version : How do you view your Wonder Woman
IamtheRock3
10-14-2006, 09:41 PM
some writers say she is hard cause she doesnt have a define personality
Well what is you define personality you have for her if you have to descripe
Me
Warrior Monk with boobies. That serious a lot of the time but can also have a sense of humor.
shaxper
10-14-2006, 10:53 PM
Warrior Monk with boobies.
What's saddest about this post is that I think a lot of other DC fans have the same impression as of late. Even Meltzer, with his "brilliant" new retooling of the JLA, gives her almost no personality in comparison to the overwhelming presences of Batman and Superman. All anyone knows about her these days is that she's willing to kill, and even that misses the mark quite a bit. I still have trouble reconciling her actions in killing Maxwell Lord with the post-crisis persona Perez established for her.
So here's how I see Diana:
A strong, patient, and compassionate person who, strengthened by faith, walks a constant tightrope between idealist pacifism and warrior pragmatism. Diana sees all the evil in this world, knows how to kick its ass better than anyone, but is the last to resort to violence, appealing to compassion first and trying everything else until violence becomes necessary.
Physically, mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually, she is the pinnacle of human perfection, yet also possesses a perfectly balanced ego. In terms of politics, Diana is neither a liberal nor conservative, patriot nor revolutionary, feminist nor anti-feminist. She walks the line in all aspects of her life, attempting to understand and appeal to both sides of any given struggle, rather than smiting one side or the other with force and forceful beliefs. She is the ultimate ambassador, not just of her own homeland, but of all conflicts in which extreme opposites exist.
Bored at 3:00AM
10-14-2006, 10:57 PM
To be honest, I have a hard time pinning her personality down myself. All I know is that, when a writer nails her, I really enjoy reading about the character.
Jack Zodiac
10-15-2006, 12:41 AM
I though Perez's vision of Diana was superb, and the way Rucka was writing her in the book's final run was nearly as good. I like Wonder Woman as an ambassador of peace who can become an even greater warrior than Batman or Superman at the drop of a hat when it's necessary. She's everything Diana was- a beautiful, intelligent goddess with the heart of a warrior and the mind of a leader.
IamtheRock3
10-15-2006, 12:59 AM
What's saddest about this post is that I think a lot of other DC fans have the same impression as of late. Even Meltzer, with his "brilliant" new retooling of the JLA, gives her almost no personality in comparison to the overwhelming presences of Batman and Superman. All anyone knows about her these days is that she's willing to kill, and even that misses the mark quite a bit. I still have trouble reconciling her actions in killing Maxwell Lord with the post-crisis persona Perez established for her.
So here's how I see Diana:
A strong, patient, and compassionate person who, strengthened by faith, walks a constant tightrope between idealist pacifism and warrior pragmatism. Diana sees all the evil in this world, knows how to kick its ass better than anyone, but is the last to resort to violence, appealing to compassion first and trying everything else until violence becomes necessary.
Physically, mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually, she is the pinnacle of human perfection, yet also possesses a perfectly balanced ego. In terms of politics, Diana is neither a liberal nor conservative, patriot nor revolutionary, feminist nor anti-feminist. She walks the line in all aspects of her life, attempting to understand and appeal to both sides of any given struggle, rather than smiting one side or the other with force and forceful beliefs. She is the ultimate ambassador, not just of her own homeland, but of all conflicts in which extreme opposites exist.
See that where I find writer have a promblem
Because that hard to get Exact. cause that still sounds like she can go EITHER way. She on the fench in a lot of ways
With Batman and Superman, And Spidey..Hulk
I have a PRETTY good idea how they going to act in any given situation
With Wonder Woman..not so sure
Not sure what would be out of charcter
And what would be in
IamtheRock3
10-15-2006, 01:00 AM
by the way I agree with your interpertation though
shaxper
10-15-2006, 09:59 AM
See that where I find writer have a promblem
Because that hard to get Exact. cause that still sounds like she can go EITHER way. She on the fench in a lot of ways
With Batman and Superman, And Spidey..Hulk
I have a PRETTY good idea how they going to act in any given situation
With Wonder Woman..not so sure
Not sure what would be out of charcter
And what would be in
Neither is she. That's part of what makes her so great. Superman and Batman are thoroughly predictable. They cling to a certain ideology and practice it ad nauseum. Wonder Woman's path is a far more confusing one. She's not sure how she'll act in any given situation. Her mission and background lead to great ideological confusion. That makes her more real to me.
TheTen-EyedMan
10-15-2006, 10:07 AM
How I view Wonder Woman?
Through a hole in the cupboard, of course.
Eliseu Gouveia
10-15-2006, 10:15 AM
Strong, altruistic, gentle, kind and willing to wage war to attain peace.
TheTen-EyedMan
10-15-2006, 10:36 AM
Strong, altruistic, gentle, kind and willing to wage war to attain peace.
So she's the complete opposite of George W Bush.
So here's how I see Diana:
A strong, patient, and compassionate person who, strengthened by faith, walks a constant tightrope between idealist pacifism and warrior pragmatism. Diana sees all the evil in this world, knows how to kick its ass better than anyone, but is the last to resort to violence, appealing to compassion first and trying everything else until violence becomes necessary.
Physically, mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually, she is the pinnacle of human perfection, yet also possesses a perfectly balanced ego. In terms of politics, Diana is neither a liberal nor conservative, patriot nor revolutionary, feminist nor anti-feminist. She walks the line in all aspects of her life, attempting to understand and appeal to both sides of any given struggle, rather than smiting one side or the other with force and forceful beliefs. She is the ultimate ambassador, not just of her own homeland, but of all conflicts in which extreme opposites exist.
Wow, that's pretty deep and insightful. I like this description very much. Pity it's not covered in the books much... Sounds like the type of character I could get into.
IamtheRock3
10-15-2006, 11:24 AM
well to me a good wonder Woman arc
The audience Shouldn ALL WAYS agree with her
nor shoudl they ALL WAYS disagree with her. She aint an Anti hero nor the Authroity
But no matter what side she takes, should always be understanble and should always put in the way where you respect her and see her decesion
Imagine her ways pretty old somtimes, even though she may be more modern then the other amazons.
Best Example is She Hulk in Cival war
if you read Cival War section, You see I am pretty Anti Registration
But She Hulk not. still love the comic because her view seem pretty sensble. I mean out of all the pro reg heroes she seem the most sensible. Actully she a lot more sensible then the Anti registration heroes.
I still disagree with her but still like her.
In fact didnt agree with some of her decesion as a lawyer but still pretty much back her. She has a strong opion but never comes to much of hardA$$ on it
Same kind of should go for Wonder Woman. She kind of ambasdor and warrior. She has to make decesion. Wont always agree with those. But should still like her and find her choice interesting.
Person Man
10-15-2006, 11:55 AM
What's saddest about this post is that I think a lot of other DC fans have the same impression as of late. Even Meltzer, with his "brilliant" new retooling of the JLA, gives her almost no personality in comparison to the overwhelming presences of Batman and Superman. All anyone knows about her these days is that she's willing to kill, and even that misses the mark quite a bit. I still have trouble reconciling her actions in killing Maxwell Lord with the post-crisis persona Perez established for her.
So here's how I see Diana:
A strong, patient, and compassionate person who, strengthened by faith, walks a constant tightrope between idealist pacifism and warrior pragmatism. Diana sees all the evil in this world, knows how to kick its ass better than anyone, but is the last to resort to violence, appealing to compassion first and trying everything else until violence becomes necessary.
Physically, mentally, emotionally, and even spiritually, she is the pinnacle of human perfection, yet also possesses a perfectly balanced ego. In terms of politics, Diana is neither a liberal nor conservative, patriot nor revolutionary, feminist nor anti-feminist. She walks the line in all aspects of her life, attempting to understand and appeal to both sides of any given struggle, rather than smiting one side or the other with force and forceful beliefs. She is the ultimate ambassador, not just of her own homeland, but of all conflicts in which extreme opposites exist.
Nailed it. She's the ultimate warrior for peace.
shaxper
10-15-2006, 01:05 PM
Wow, that's pretty deep and insightful. I like this description very much. Pity it's not covered in the books much... Sounds like the type of character I could get into.
Thanks. I think a lot of this does come through in the Perez run, though. It's nothing I made up. If you haven't read those issues, give them a chance. If you have, maybe it's time to revisit them? You might find yourself pleasantly surprised.
Black Atom
10-15-2006, 03:08 PM
To be honest, I have a hard time pinning her personality down myself. All I know is that, when a writer nails her, I really enjoy reading about the character.
[giggles]
but seriously. This image I think sums up Wonder Woman (for me)
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/st/steverude/wonderwoman3.jpg
Superman moves the world through hope, Batman through fear, Wonder Woman through unconditional love, even for bad guys.
Superman moves the world through hope, Batman through fear, Wonder Woman through unconditional love, even for bad guys.
I think that's pretty accurate.... Warrior for peace is a good phrase for her.
banana91
10-20-2006, 03:02 PM
except for the whole killing maxwell lord thing of course
Black Atom
10-20-2006, 03:52 PM
I think that's pretty accurate.... Warrior for peace is a good phrase for her.
I think they really need to downplay the whole "warrior race" aspect of the character for a while. I'm not saying she has to be any less capable, but it is somewhat contradictory.
IamtheRock3
10-20-2006, 04:39 PM
I think they really need to downplay the whole "warrior race" aspect of the character for a while. I'm not saying she has to be any less capable, but it is somewhat contradictory.
isnt that what makes her intereting though
Plus...You will NEVER have a totaly Ghandi like hero in the Action PACK world of comics. Dont care how peacefull she suspose to be. They put up with that for maybe 2 issue..but ounce you get to six issue..inventully they would want her to punch someone.
So warrior of peace the best you going to get
El Santo
10-20-2006, 04:52 PM
I view Wonder Woman as a great character that DC has been steadily destroying with a poorly-conceived reboot that can't even release an issue on anything close to a regular schedule.
Bring back Greg Rucka and we'll talk.
Bored at 3:00AM
10-20-2006, 10:27 PM
I'm still trying to nail down my view of the character. I think the "Warrior fighting for Peace" thing sounds right.
I will say that Wonder Woman's depiction in both New Frontier and Kingdom Come felt spot-on to me. As did Linda Carter's portrayal from the old TV show.
El Santo
10-21-2006, 10:24 PM
I think they really need to downplay the whole "warrior race" aspect of the character for a while. I'm not saying she has to be any less capable, but it is somewhat contradictory.
How is it contradictory? In most cultures that revere the warrior, they are seen as protectors of the weak and the innocent. They are revered for their devotion to duty in the defense of peace.
estee
10-21-2006, 10:41 PM
I liked how Rucka portrayed her. A world-weary pragmatist. Juggling the needs of her vow to help people, and the political reality of our world. Yet she is still a honourable warrior who would do what needed to be done.
Her meeting with the President is a great example of this. The President was trying to strong arm the Amazons, trying to goad them into giving America new technology in return for leaving Themescrian waters. Diana smoothed thing over.
Bats and Supes always seem one-dimensional to me. Diana has layers. Unfortunately the character doesn't have the proper writer to bring them out. I still hold out hope with the new book.
Gozwald73
10-22-2006, 07:53 PM
DC's women are fantastic. Not only beautiful aesthetically, but such richness and depth to the characters. Diana is no exception to this - she is the EPITOMY of what a true warrior should be (for me).
Other women in the DCU are also being "fleshed out" and given more focus: Dinah has now had years of ongoing exposure in BoP, she now joins more of her fellow femme heroes in the new incarnation of the JLA. Kendra has brought new life and depth back to the formerly-stagnant 'Hawk-heroes'. The writers of Supergirl are daring to explore some of the frailties in our everyday personalities. Sigrid is, well, poor Sigrid is about to die. But she had potential!
Keep up the great work DC - and I would rather get a quality WW book bimonthly than a crappy one each month, so a big thank you from me :D
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