Characters that you'd like to see made more interesting and in depth? [Archive]

Slade.

10-14-2006, 01:51 PM

I'm talking about the usualy lame ones....kinda how morisson turned animal man into something good.......or alan moore with swamp thing....
stuff like that

any old marvel "loser" characters lol that could be updated and made dope

I'm trying to think of some....

i always thought the older western characters could've been updated and made into something much better....still set in the old west but alot more serious and realistic....

they tried that with some..but failed imo

Joe Acro

10-14-2006, 02:04 PM

I want someone do something cool with Dusk. If they could write a story explaining her resurrection, I think that alone would make her more interesting.

I also think Rocket Raccoon has the potential to be a very interesting character. I imagine him becoming sort of Johnny Alpha-like or maybe, more extremely, like a space Punisher.

lordlad

10-14-2006, 02:06 PM

It's time for Squirrel girl to save the world again.

Expletive Deleted

10-14-2006, 02:16 PM

I'd say Super-Skrull, but "Annihilation" seems to be doing it already.

Mothmonsterman

10-14-2006, 02:16 PM

I think I could do a pretty decent Captain Ultra origin mini, and give him depth without changing his current status as the lame guy in the goofy costume.

Here are some mock covers. You should be able to roughly piece the story together by them.

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Slade.

10-14-2006, 02:33 PM

Tobias March

10-14-2006, 02:35 PM

What was the last thing going on with her?

I don't think she's been seen since Slingers.

Joe Acro

10-14-2006, 02:38 PM

I think I could do a pretty decent Captain Ultra origin mini, and give him depth without changing his current status as the lame guy in the goofy costume.

Here are some mock covers. You should be able to roughly piece the story together by them.

As interesting as it would be to see Ultra get some more backstory, I don't think you need him to have a different costume early on and I certainly don't like the idea of yet another tragedy-spawns-heroism story.

Mothmonsterman

10-14-2006, 03:09 PM

Ok, I just typed up a detailed overview of the story and got a message saying I had to log in again, and lost the whole post.

The reason for the different costume early on is that he initially has success and becomes a popular hero. With all the attention he gets, he starts giving less and less to his son. He doesn't think his son knows that he's a superhero, but the boy does. He dies by jumping out of a window wearing a cape to try to be more like his father. Only after does Ultra find the drawing in his son's room, a superhero drawn with every color in the box and labelled "my dad." He then makes a new costume based on his son's drawing. That's why he wears such a ridiculous costume even when everyone mocks it.

And the tragedy actually works in the opposite manner, causing Ultra to turn villain because he blames his heroism for his son's death. But his heart is never in it, and he eventually realizes that he's dishonoring his son.

To make him believable as the popular new superhero in town in issue #2, but then a big joke in #4, I have him fight The Rhino in the second issue. At the time, Rhino is new on the scene and for all the public knows he may as well be the second coming of The Hulk. The reason Ultra fights him is that they are both attempting to rob the same bank, but the public just assumes that Ultra is a superhero, so he ends up sliding into the role mostly out of luck. After beating this monsterous new supervillain, he's the talk of the town and everyone's favorite new hero. Issue four takes place a few years later, and by then the Rhino is the joke we know and love today. Where people were really impressed with Ultra's victory in issue two, by the fourth issue he could bring it up and people would just say, "so who hasn't?"

Joe Acro

10-14-2006, 03:16 PM

Yeah, I really don't think we need to retcon in another great hero. As I've already stated, I don't like the idea of a character based in tragedy. It's been done too much in the Marvel universe.

Mothmonsterman

10-14-2006, 03:18 PM

Retcon in another great hero?

It's Captain Ultra.

The story ends with him being the same old joke his is today, only now there's a reason he subjects himself to public ridicule with that outfit, and the reason he sticks with trying to be a hero is because he had that brief taste of success and believes he can achieve it again, even if nobody else believes in him.

mandog

10-14-2006, 03:20 PM

Wonder Man. For me he has nearly always been a lame character that is used simply because people think he is funny lookin in his leisure suits. Pure cheese. But, if the right writer got ahold of him, they could do some really great things with him. Go into how his celebrity effects his ability to superhero, and how it effects him. get into thing like papparazzi(sp) and such. What he does with humanitarian efforts along with his fighting godzilla like monsters. Etc. Because we know all celebs are trying to be Bono or Angelina Jolie right now. Have him adopt an african or something.

Alan2099

10-14-2006, 03:57 PM

Jadeskies

10-14-2006, 05:10 PM

They did a really great job with Wonderman back during the days of West Coast Avengers. I have not seen as much attention paid to him since then.

When I started reading it WOnderman had just upgraded from his green suit to his black with red W on the chest suit. He felt he was better than everyone else on the team and acted like a jerk. He wasn't just a superhero he was a movie star too. You often got an inside view of his life in hollywood and his biggest problem was that because his eyes glow red (no pupils) from ionic energy he kept being "Type Cast" as the villain or a demon.

Simon really does deserve more attention as he is a classic character and the Vision's personality is based on Simon's.

Mothmonsterman

10-14-2006, 05:28 PM

I really don't like your Captain Ultra idea. The idea that a funny character is hiding a past tragedy is an old one. Why not play up what's actually there for the hero instead of tyring to turn him into another Peter Parker.

personally, I like the idea that he's a loser but takes it with a grain of salt, as long as he can help at least one person out somewhere along the lines.

What's "actually there" for the character aside from he looks funny lol?

I personally can't think of a single other character who dresses like a clown and takes all the ridicule for it because the costume is a memorial to a lost loved one. I guess it must be so cliche from turning up in a dozen comics that I just missed.

The Fury

10-14-2006, 05:32 PM

Mentallo. He's cool, he's got loads of gadgets and crap and mutants powers...lots to go from but not much character after that.

And Toad. Toad needs respect. He's got so much potential, yet isn't being used except in lesser books. Toads involvement in some very recent huge events could be talked about but it never is. He was there for Xorneto killing 5000 (he thought it was Magneto), he on the island when Scarlet witch changed the world, he was made to remember by Layla and Emma Frost and he was there when the world changed back (so in other words he should remember). His relationships with said family could make good development, remember there were 3 people responisble for HoM, Xavier was seated in front of 3 people, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and if it wasn't Magneto then who? Toad maybe, someone who would also want not only everything he wanted but for his friend Magneto as well.

Then there are the other things, his powers, the tongue and his mind control thing that is never talked about. He is also a technilogical genious, and can use any machine easily and knows how they work.

So much is there to work with, what we get is a reject who has had only minor appearences on the last 3 years.

Joe Acro

10-14-2006, 05:33 PM

Retcon in another great hero?

It's Captain Ultra.

Yes, it is Captain Ultra, but you said he was a popular hero at one time, which would mean well-known, lumping him with the icons of the Marvel universe. Having him be such would pose problems in continuity, like why the other characters in the Marvel universe don't know who he is.

Mothmonsterman

10-14-2006, 07:13 PM

Yes, it is Captain Ultra, but you said he was a popular hero at one time, which would mean well-known, lumping him with the icons of the Marvel universe. Having him be such would pose problems in continuity, like why the other characters in the Marvel universe don't know who he is.

Think of it like a band that was extremely popular once for a short period of time, but now you can't find anyone willing to admit they ever liked them. Or better yet, one of those people who pop up in the news, dominate the media attention for a week, and then disappear. A runaway bride, you know?

I'm not saying he was a pillar of the superhero community. I'm saying he was a media sensation for about a week several years ago.

CaptainAwesome

10-14-2006, 07:35 PM

I think John Walker would be a perfect character to develope further. So far we have gotten bits and pieces of a man who wants to be Captain America, but he is very mentally unstable. I think if you played up the government's lap dog angle and put it against his own search for an identity you could have a great espionage/psychological thriller.

Alan2099

10-14-2006, 09:20 PM

What's "actually there" for the character aside from he looks funny lol?
He's a balding mediocre stand up commedian (at best). He seems to love kids and comes across as somewhat of a passifict as long as far as super heroes go although he tends to get a bit over enthusiastic. He prefers to take time to actually talk things over with super villians and stay around to play with and entertain children, as well as fixing any problems that come up in his super heroing. He seems to really like his costume and doesn't understand why other people say it's funny looking. he's also deathly afraid of fire and tends to pass out when around it.

Joe Acro

10-14-2006, 09:22 PM

he's also deathly afraid of fire and tends to pass out when around it.
Doc Samson cured that.

Mothmonsterman

10-14-2006, 09:26 PM

He's a balding mediocre stand up commedian (at best). He seems to love kids and comes across as somewhat of a passifict as long as far as super heroes go although he tends to get a bit over enthusiastic. He prefers to take time to actually talk things over with super villians and stay around to play with and entertain children, as well as fixing any problems that come up in his super heroing. He seems to really like his costume and doesn't understand why other people say it's funny looking. he's also deathly afraid of fire and tends to pass out when around it.

It's too bad I didn't incorporate any sort of reason why he might love kids so much into my story idea. That would've been something.

Sophisticated_Gamer

10-14-2006, 09:31 PM

Definatly Wolverine!

Alan2099

10-14-2006, 09:40 PM

Doc Samson cured that.
I must have missed that one.

Sheesh. You'd think it would be easy to keep up with such a seldom used character.

Did they ever explain why he was so afraid of fire?

Joe Acro

10-14-2006, 09:43 PM

Did they ever explain why he was so afraid of fire?
It was a compulsive thing, like some people biting their nails or others lying frequently.

tangentman

10-15-2006, 12:26 AM

StoneGold

10-15-2006, 01:25 AM

You get rid of Ultra's clowniness though, you get rid of the character completely. His entire shtick is that he sucks. An in-continuity Forbush Man.

John Doe Jnr

10-15-2006, 02:45 AM

The Shroud. That lame-o that used to be on the avengers and was blind. Kinda like Daredevil but for the mafia and has supernatural powers.

Jack of Hearts could use some brushing up.

Stingray could use some more spotlight.

a-spidey

10-15-2006, 03:32 AM

sometime ago i had said moon knight for sure. okay, that's no option now.

but jack of hearts i liked too

Cthulhudrew

10-15-2006, 04:12 AM

I'd like to see Captain Ultra join the Great Lakes Avengers/X-Men/Champions and be their resident powerful guy (like Thor to the Avengers, Superman to the JLA, etc.)

Better yet, I'd love to see the Sentry turn out to actually be Captain Ultra, who was playing a joke on all the heroes of Marveldom. :)

Slade.

10-15-2006, 02:09 PM

Lmao @ toad

StoneGold

10-15-2006, 02:10 PM

The Shroud. That lame-o that used to be on the avengers and was blind. Kinda like Daredevil but for the mafia and has supernatural powers.

Does banging one of the Spider-Women count?

Mothmonsterman

10-15-2006, 02:10 PM

You get rid of Ultra's clowniness though, you get rid of the character completely. His entire shtick is that he sucks. An in-continuity Forbush Man.

He's still a clown, and he's still not that great of a hero, but I tried to give him a reason for sticking to it in spite of these things.

I took as much care as possible to inject some depth into the character without changing anything about who he is today. That's why the villain he beats to become briefly popular is The Rhino. At the time, Rhino was an unknown entity who for all anyone knew could've been on The Hulk's level, so people were really impressed when Ultra beat him. But now, in retrospect and knowing what a jobber The Rhino is, nobody thinks anything of Ultra beating him, because who hasn't?

Jadeskies

10-15-2006, 10:30 PM

The Fury

10-16-2006, 06:07 AM

Heres one interesting thing about Toad. He was with the Avengers/Xmen ect when Layla set thier minds right in the House of M. He wasn't there for the attack on Magneto/Quicksilver to set things right.

So shouldn't Toad be carrying a huge grudge that everyone thought he sucked so bad that they didnt let him come?
He was there, just you didn't see much of him but he was. Odd thing is he would have sided with Magneto, ditto with Mistique.

In my post above (page 2..whatever), I show how he should know about what happened as well. Not only that but in that worls he was happy, they all were but him especially compared to his current life was great. He was for year Magneto's right hand man, now a well respected high ranking officer in SHIELD, and the soon to be writer of a book telling the story of Magneto's rise from his position, yet the so-called heroes ruined that.

SabrinaMorrell

10-16-2006, 06:39 AM

She-Hulk, definitely.

Blackcat

10-16-2006, 07:57 AM

Those 3 Mutants that were on X-treme X-Men were quite interesting too: T-Bird 3, Lifeguard and Slipstream. Also Cecilia Reyes was very interesting but her whereabouts are unknown.

ednemo

10-16-2006, 12:03 PM

Those 3 Mutants that were on X-treme X-Men were quite interesting too: T-Bird 3, Lifeguard and Slipstream. Also Cecilia Reyes was very interesting but her whereabouts are unknown.

I want T-Bird from Exiles to come into the 616 Universe. I really liked their take on the character. Come on, some super team must be needing a Tank character.

gorthon616

10-16-2006, 12:15 PM

SLAPSTICK.

He'd be like the Hulk except funny....
DEADLY FUNNY.

Mothmonsterman

10-16-2006, 12:24 PM

She-Hulk, definitely.

I think you may have missed the point.

Joe Acro

10-16-2006, 01:57 PM

I want T-Bird from Exiles to come into the 616 Universe. I really liked their take on the character. Come on, some super team must be needing a Tank character.
Isn't he dead? Oh, wait, that doesn't appear to be a limitation in this thread... or the 616 universe as a whole.

Xothermic

10-16-2006, 03:14 PM

Hercules!

Seriously, he needs a major revamp. I just recently read the Hercules mini and I was displeased. I was hoping for something more like the Hercules in the TV show not the clown I read in the mini!

Slade.

10-16-2006, 03:28 PM

Which mini?

Haunt

10-16-2006, 03:38 PM

He's a balding mediocre stand up commedian (at best). He seems to love kids and comes across as somewhat of a passifict as long as far as super heroes go although he tends to get a bit over enthusiastic. He prefers to take time to actually talk things over with super villians and stay around to play with and entertain children, as well as fixing any problems that come up in his super heroing. He seems to really like his costume and doesn't understand why other people say it's funny looking. he's also deathly afraid of fire and tends to pass out when around it.

likes kids
dresses funny
bad experiences with fire

no offense Alan but doesn't that sound an awful lot like Michael Jackson? :eek:

SLAPSTICK.

He'd be like the Hulk except funny....
DEADLY FUNNY.

i think he should be shipped to DC where he'd actually fit.

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i think they need to flesh out Paladdin. is he a hero or isn't he? what makes this guy tick. and wtf is his real name/nationality?

Haunt

10-16-2006, 03:43 PM

I actually like Moth's idea about the inspiration for Captain Ultra's costume. It gives him a little more depth than just being a super-powered clown. Of course, in the interest of keeping the character's light-hearted tone, I would say that his son is still alive. To me, the notion that a man is willing to risk looking like a fool to the Avengers or FF to be his son's hero is even more inspiring than doing so as a posthumous gesture.

i think it'd make more sense for the son to just live with his mother and have Captain Ultra be a divorcee. it's kind of hard to picture the guy in any kind of long-term relationship. and he's a standup comedian; a travelling business. i can see him wearing the costume to sort of keep a piece of his son while on the road.