BNP member accused of possessing largest amount of chemical explosives in UK history

[Tobias March]

In today's Guardian (13/10/06) there was a small note in the Diary reporting that two men, one described as an ex-member of the British National Party, were arrested by police in possession of the largest amount of explosives ever found in the country.

A significant story you would think, yet I've seen no other mention of it in other mainstream papers. After a little digging I came up with this:

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=8&ArticleID=1806619

http://libcom.org/news/bnp-election-candidate-arrested-in-biggest-explosives-haul-ever-11102006

This second link also disagrees with the description of one of the 'bomb plotters', as an ex-member, given that political party memberships are annual. The police are also said to stress that the two suspects were not arrested using anti-terrorist laws.

Lets just take a moment to think about that.

[king mob]

It's apparently had reporting restrictions slapped on it, whether it's a D-Notice i'm not quite sure.

[BlairH]

the largest amount of explosives ever found in the country.

I think a certian Mr Fawks would have something to say about that.

[Michael P]

I think a certian Mr Fawks would have something to say about that.
Probably along the lines of "Cool!"

[Iangould]

In today's Guardian (13/10/06) there was a small note in the Diary reporting that two men, one described as an ex-member of the British National Party, were arrested by police in possession of the largest amount of explosives ever found in the country.



What are you, some kind of racist?

[Grazzt]

I think a certian Mr Fawks would have something to say about that.

Just out of curiousity, but how does the gunpowder Mr. Fawkes use compare to today's conventional explosives? I mean, its certainly possibly that Mr. Fawkes payload, as impressive as it was, would be outmatched by a relatively small amount of TNT or whatever chemicals these douchebags were using.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Just out of curiousity, but how does the gunpowder Mr. Fawkes use compare to today's conventional explosives? I mean, its certainly possibly that Mr. Fawkes payload, as impressive as it was, would be outmatched by a relatively small amount of TNT or whatever chemicals these douchebags were using.

Guy Fawkes was lucky.

It's like the IRA versus the non-existant group known as Al Qaeda, which is in reality a ragtag bunch of anti-West Muslims who hook up with Osama and his morons to occasionally blow shit up...

Anyway...the IRA became murderers by luck rather than design, while your ragtag hair bear bunch set out to kill as many Westerner's as possible.

To put it more succinctly, it's like a firecracker versus a neutron bomb.

[i_mmmchocolate]

Yeah, that is funny now that you mention it. My mom was the first to tell me the news. I was a bit shocked I didn't catch it first since CBR is usually quick with the terrorist headlines.

Maybe it was posted within an already made thread?

[Charles RB]

It's apparently had reporting restrictions slapped on it, whether it's a D-Notice i'm not quite sure.

I wonder why this story would get a D-Notice when other big stories about potential terrorist attacks didn't? How could reporting that a guy with explosives got arrested be a problem for national security?

[oddieson]

[see..see.. the paper had to go and say the mad bombers were WHITE!!, mad bombers are mad bombers whatever they collor . What goes in a Mad White Bomber anyway? vodka, milk & triple sec?

[Tobias March]

What are you, some kind of racist?

Yes. I am a self-hating honkie. I stare at my pale pink flesh in the morning and say: "Oh how I loathe you whitey. You're the cause of everything bad in this world. Stop chasing the fine women. You got jungle fever boy, jungle fever!"

:p

It's strange how little is being reported on this story and yes, if it is a D-Notice, I'd like to know the specific reason. What contrasts this from the other recent 'bomb plots' that were widely reported?

[Iangould]

Next thing you know people will be aksing why the so-called liberal media ignroed this story:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35919




The discovery of a sodium cyanide bomb, a stockpile of components needed to make other chemical weapons and a cache of illegal arms has led to the arrests of three suspected domestic terrorists and prompted a nationwide hunt for possible co-conspirators who could be plotting a mass-casualty attack somewhere in the United States.

KTVT-TV, the CBS affiliate in Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas, reports federal agents have served hundreds of subpoenas across the country in the counterterrorism case, which has been the subject of President Bush's daily intelligence briefings.

The investigation was triggered with the April arrest of a New Jersey man tied to the New Jersey Militia who purchased fake identification documents that got intercepted by federal authorities.

The documents intended for Edward Feltus, 56, of Old Bridge, N.J., included birth certificates from North Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia and phony identification cards for the Defense Intelligence Agency and the United Nations Multinational Force. Feltus pleaded guilty to possessing the documents.

The intercepted package was sent from William Krar of Tyler, Texas.

Last month, Krar, 62, pleaded guilty to possessing a dangerous chemical weapon. His common-law wife, 54-year-old Judith Bruey, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess illegal weapons.

The couple were arrested in May after investigators found a large quantity of sodium cyanide and hydrochloric, nitric and acetic acids, and literature detailing the use of sodium cyanide to make a chemical weapon in a storage unit they rented in Tyler. When mixed with sodium cyanide, the acids form extremely lethal cyanide gas.

Investigators also found a cache of illegal firearms in the couple's possession – including machine guns, an assault rifle and an unregistered silencer – and literature depicting white supremacist and militant beliefs.

KTVT reports an FBI affidavit for a search warrant notes Krar, who is originally from New Hampshire, was "actively involved in the militia movement … a good source of covert weaponry for white supremacist and anti-government militia groups in New Hampshire."

According to the news station, federal authorities have had their eye on Krar since at least 1995 when ATF agents investigated a possible plot to bomb government buildings. Krar was not charged.

Investigators told KTVT they suspect Krar, who has not paid taxes since 1988, earns a living selling illicit bomb components to underground anti-government groups across the country. Authorities fear he may have manufactured more than one sodium cyanide bomb and sold them.

"One would certainly have to question why an individual would feel compelled to stockpile sodium cyanide, hydrochloric acid, nitric acid, acetic acid, unless they had some bad intent,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Wes Rivers told KTVT.

Krar and his conspirators reportedly are not talking to investigators, which fuels speculation of co-conspirators and an outstanding terror plot.

WorldNetDaily reported exclusively last week al-Qaida terrorists are also plotting to use cyanide gas as a weapon of mass destruction.

According to a closely held security directive issued to law enforcement by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and obtained by WorldNetDaily, al-Qaida terrorists have developed a crude device designed to spread the deadly gas through the ventilation systems of crowded indoor facilities to asphyxiate its victims.

"These gases are most effective when released in confined spaces such as subways, buildings or other crowded indoor facilities," noted the five-page memo issued Nov. 21. "Al-Qaida remains intent on using chemical or biological agents in attacks on the homeland."

[Iangould]

[see..see.. the paper had to go and say the mad bombers were WHITE!!, mad bombers are mad bombers whatever they collor . What goes in a Mad White Bomber anyway? vodka, milk & triple sec?


Right, because if they were arabs I'm sure that wouldn't have been mentioned.

[Patient Boy]

http://www.burnleycitizen.co.uk/display.var.951775.0.exbnp_man_faces_explosives_ch arge.php

http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/current_affairs/1483


Two men were arrested last week after police recovered a "record haul" of chemicals that could potentially be used to make explosives.

The police also recovered rocket launchers, BNP literature and a nuclear biological suit. The chemical components recovered by police are believed to be the largest haul ever found at a house in Britain.

I can't imagine why this isn't making bigger headlines. A Google News search for "BNP chemical explosives" turns up only two actual news reports, a few opinion pieces from lefty/ civil rights orientated sites and nothing from major news sources like the BBC.

[king mob]

It's strange how little is being reported on this story and yes, if it is a D-Notice, I'd like to know the specific reason. What contrasts this from the other recent 'bomb plots' that were widely reported?


If there are reporting restrictions then it would mean a total blackout until the trial is over. However the fact this has barely been reported beforehand is very, very odd.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

If there are reporting restrictions then it would mean a total blackout until the trial is over. However the fact this has barely been reported beforehand is very, very odd.

Do I need to point out because they're good white people. Muslims are the bad guys. And North Koreans now.

I work with a guy from Seoul. He's already coping shit from dickheads.

[king mob]

Do I need to point out because they're good white people. Muslims are the bad guys. And North Koreans now.

I work with a guy from Seoul. He's already coping shit from dickheads.


This is the BNP, with the exception of The Daily Mail, (a cliche but sadly true) they have no real sympathy from the press. The fact the likes of The Independent haven't ran huge coverage of this does point towards the restrictions being strict.

I'm popping out later with someone who's likely to know more about this, i'll see what they have to say.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

This is the BNP, with the exception of The Daily Mail, (a cliche but sadly true) they have no real sympathy from the press. The fact the likes of The Independent haven't ran huge coverage of this does point towards the restrictions being strict.

I'm popping out later with someone who's likely to know more about this, i'll see what they have to say.

Mobking...I await your report.

*Genuine Interest*

[Iangould]

I can't imagine why this isn't making bigger headlines. A Google News search for "BNP chemical explosives" turns up only two actual news reports, a few opinion pieces from lefty/ civil rights orientated sites and nothing from major news sources like the BBC.

Here's a hint for you.

Bangladeshi economist Mohammed Yunus just won the nobel Peace for founding the Grameen Bank which has lifted millions of people out of poverty, inspired dozens of similar institutions across the developing world and which empowers women by lending solely to them.

Ever see the word "muslim" in any of the cover of the award?

[Charles RB]

Ever see the word "muslim" in any of the cover of the award?

His name's Mohammed, I personally automatically assumed he was Muslim.

[Spike-X]

I work with a guy from Seoul. He's already coping shit from dickheads.

Of course he is. Because moving to another country to escape the rule of a batshit insane dictator obviously means you support that dictator's policies wholeheartedly.

Racists really are stupid.

[Michael P]

Of course he is. Because moving to another country to escape the rule of a batshit insane dictator obviously means you support that dictator's policies wholeheartedly.

Racists really are stupid.
It's even worse. Seoul is in South Korea.

[Spike-X]

It's even worse. Seoul is in South Korea.
You'd think that, having watched M*A*S*H reruns for twenty years, I'd know that.

[king mob]

Found a few things out. The BBC did pick up on the story; however they apparently picked it up 'late' (why they couldn't have stuck it on their website is a mystery) and have decided to follow it up when it goes to court on October 23rd. The same goes for Channel 4 News, Guardian, Mirror, etc.

Both suspects are 'allegedly' heavily connected to the BNP and one ran for local elections back in May. That should have lit up any journalists eyes. It somehow didn't. Though it does seem that because this never happened in London (most UK news organisations hare horribly London-centric) it might explain why it wasn't deemed important enough. This aside, it's still fucking weird that none of the major sources have even ran a brief article.The fact that only the local paper is extremely weird indeed.


One blogger sent the BBC a question and got this reply.


Dear ______,

Thank you for your email about the court appearance at Penine Magistrates of two men accused of possessing chemical explosives. It is indeed interesting. Unfortunately BBC TV news didn't know about the police find.

I would like to assure you the BBC takes very seriously its responsibility to report all issues fairly, accurately and impartially. This is as true of issues involving potential terror plots by former BNP activists or radical Islamists. The BBC has a long history of exposing the BNP and any past wrongdoing.

I have investigated how the story was missed. It appears a reporter from BBC Radio Lancashire investigated initial reports but the police "played it down". Our regional televison centre in in Manchester found out about the story only after it was reported in the Colne Times. By this time it was several days old. On investigation they discovered that reporting restrictions were in place which severely curtailed what could be said by the media.

Two arrested men are due to appear at Blackburn Crown Court on October 23rd, BBC TV News will attend the hearing.

Thank you for alerting us to this story.

Best wishes

Debby Moyse
Assistant to the Head of BBC TV News

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/10/bbc-on-unreported-fascist-bomb-factory.html

So right now all we can do is wait until the 23rd and see what happens.

[Patient Boy]

His name's Mohammed, I personally automatically assumed he was Muslim.

Off topic, but this reminds me of something I once watched regarding the Kashmir conflict (IIRC). They were interviewing one of the indigenous Kashmiris whose name was Din Mohamed, and they had to point out that despite his name he was not nor had he ever been a Muslim.

[Patient Boy]

Here's a hint for you.

Bangladeshi economist Mohammed Yunus just won the nobel Peace for founding the Grameen Bank which has lifted millions of people out of poverty, inspired dozens of similar institutions across the developing world and which empowers women by lending solely to them.

Ever see the word "muslim" in any of the cover of the award?

Of course not. And his name (as well as that of Nobel Prize for literature winner Orhan Pamuk) will be conveniently forgotten when people suggest that Muslims haven't made any significant contribution to the world in recent memory.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

You'd think that, having watched M*A*S*H reruns for twenty years, I'd know that.

While Roh Moo-hyun (ROK President) is no Kim Jong-Il, he's no great lover of the U.S. at the moment.

2009 seems so far away.

[Tobias March]

Found a few things out.
So right now all we can do is wait until the 23rd and see what happens.

Good work.

[NickThompson]

Here's a hint for you.

Bangladeshi economist Mohammed Yunus just won the nobel Peace for founding the Grameen Bank which has lifted millions of people out of poverty, inspired dozens of similar institutions across the developing world and which empowers women by lending solely to them.

Ever see the word "muslim" in any of the cover of the award?
I've not followed this in the news, is his religion relevent?

[Iangould]

I've not followed this in the news, is his religion relevent?

If he'd been implicated in a terrorisror criminal act you can almost guarantee it'd be considered relevant.

If he were a Christian, he'd be all over the media talking about how his faith was responsible for his actions.

[king mob]

Good work.


Ta. I'm still awaiting a reply from a few sources that might explain why this was ignored.

[NickThompson]

If he'd been implicated in a terrorisror criminal act you can almost guarantee it'd be considered relevant.

If he were a Christian, he'd be all over the media talking about how his faith was responsible for his actions.
It'd be considered relevent if the implicated terrorist act was in some way based on religion.


I don't see how your second point is relevent. Maybe he will be talking about his faith in interviews, but this wasn't an interview.

[Huh?]

It is extremely weird that the BBC has not put so much as a blurb or a "by the way" about it anywhere on their site.

I find it equally strange that with the amount of "buzz" the story has generated on the internet that an American news outlet has not run a story with a title like: "British Media Covering for Government" or something like that.

[king mob]

Well, there was a report on the BBC site.


A former British National Party (BNP) candidate and a dentist have appeared in court on explosives charges.
Robert Cottage, 49, from Colne, Lancashire and David Jackson, 62, from Nelson, Lancs, attended a pre-trial hearing at Preston Crown Court.

The two men, who are accused of possession of explosive material, spoke only to confirm their names.

Recorder Anthony Russell QC set a trial date for the 12 February 2007 at Manchester Crown Court.

No application for bail was made


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6080278.stm

[Charles RB]

Not that detailed a report, is it?

[warspite1805]

perhaps mnore will come to light during the trial still early days yet, be patient

[Iangould]

perhaps mnore will come to light during the trial still early days yet, be patient

Yeah its not like they're two muslims suspected of building a dirty bomb.