Green Lantern

[PhantomDonut]

Where to start reading?

What to read? (Reccomendations please.)

[phantom1592]

Well... the current GL book is only 13 issues in so you could start at the beginning of that. OYL started at #10 I beleive so thats a decent jumping on point too. The 6 issue Green Lantern: Rebirth leads into the new series, but if you didn't know about all the stuff that went on before I don't think it would be really necessary.

I would also recommend picking up the Emerald Dawn TPB that Explains Green Lanterns origin.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Start with Rebirth, it pretty much explains everything you need to know about all the various Green Lantern characters. Then, I'd continue on with the No Fear TPB and keep going from there.

Emerald Dawn is a bit outdated and several elements it introduced, like the idea that Hal Jordan was a drunken screw-up have been completely discarded. If you're looking for a more modern depiction of Hal's early years, check out New Frontier, which is ironically enough set several decades in the past. However, the depiction of Hal in New Frontier is far more in-line with the current character than the whiney everyman of Emerald Dawn.

[Edward E. Nigma]

Emerald Dawn is okay, but DC: The New Frontier is a fantastic intro for Hal Jordan.

Emerald Dawn II is also good, but it's very hard to find.

[phantom1592]

I've never seen New Frontier?!? I'll have to look this up somewhere!

[Tony Starkz]

I'll hook you up with my No Fear HC if you want.

Get Rebirth,it's a must read story becuase it's good.

GL #7 to the current ish #13 are all good.7-9 have Green Arrow and Batman in them.

[BeastieRunner]

The new Ion is good and will help you get into the origin of Ion.

[Frankie Dennis]

Check out...

Rebirth
Emerald Dawn
and the new awesome series.

[Green Gardner]

Emerald Dawn is a bit outdated and several elements it introduced, like the idea that Hal Jordan was a drunken screw-up have been completely discarded.
That's interesting; hadn't really thought about that. So in the current continuity of his character, Hal was never in prison? I guess it makes sense, since the flashback in Rebirth depicts Hal actively working at Ferris when he first meets Sinestro. Still, sort of a shame. It could make for a good story to tell in one of those "Training a rookie" plots. Also, speaking as someone who only just recently bought and read a copy of Emerald Dawn, I thought Legion was a pretty cool villain.

[fierce and funky]

i restarted at REBIRTH...

after they "killed" hal years ago.. i stopped. then i heard of him as the spectre, but didn't really follow. then rebirth came around. and been reading it every month.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

That's interesting; hadn't really thought about that. So in the current continuity of his character, Hal was never in prison? I guess it makes sense, since the flashback in Rebirth depicts Hal actively working at Ferris when he first meets Sinestro. Still, sort of a shame. It could make for a good story to tell in one of those "Training a rookie" plots. Also, speaking as someone who only just recently bought and read a copy of Emerald Dawn, I thought Legion was a pretty cool villain.

Yep, Hal's DUI was explained during Infinite Crisis as one of Superboy Prime's retcon punches. Apparently, someone finally realised that re-casting a man with nerves of steel and immense willpower as an alcoholic made very little sense.

That said, Emerald Dawn II is a pretty fun story and a vast, vast improvement upon the original Emerald Dawn.

[Green Gardner]

Yep, Hal's DUI was explained during Infinite Crisis as one of Superboy Prime's retcon punches. Apparently, someone finally realised that re-casting a man with nerves of steel and immense willpower as an alcoholic made very little sense.

That said, Emerald Dawn II is a pretty fun story and a vast, vast improvement upon the original Emerald Dawn.
Well, pre-ring Hal in Emerald Dawn was very jarring to see, no question, and I admit I had a LITTLE trouble reconciling him with the superhero version, but I thought it basically worked. That iron will needed a proper focus, and the heroic character was forged rather than ready to use. In any case, I don't have a REAL problem with that being edited out. I like the character a lot either way. Still, I hope Legion is still in continuity. Hal vs. Legion had to be the most badass GL beat down I'd ever seen.

[phantom1592]

Yep, Hal's DUI was explained during Infinite Crisis as one of Superboy Prime's retcon punches. Apparently, someone finally realised that re-casting a man with nerves of steel and immense willpower as an alcoholic made very little sense.

That said, Emerald Dawn II is a pretty fun story and a vast, vast improvement upon the original Emerald Dawn.


Did they say anywhere that ED I & II ISN"T in continuity? Just because it came from a retcon punch doesn't mean it isn't current. I DID notice they are Downplaying Ferris, and pumping up Air Force Background. That was a little Jarring.

I still can't decide if I liked II. Retconning Sinestro like that was ... Ok. Makes the vendetta against Hal a little more logical. Guy Gardner was weird addition though. So he was involved with Football, a school teacher... and now out of nowhere a Lawyer?!?

The story was good though.

Mostly I love M.D. Brights Art on Green lantern. I was used to him drawing Old Hal for a while, and it was great in ED I to see Bright doing Hal in his Prime :)

[Desaad]

Did they say anywhere that ED I & II ISN"T in continuity? Just because it came from a retcon punch doesn't mean it isn't current. I DID notice they are Downplaying Ferris, and pumping up Air Force Background. That was a little Jarring.

I still can't decide if I liked II. Retconning Sinestro like that was ... Ok. Makes the vendetta against Hal a little more logical. Guy Gardner was weird addition though. So he was involved with Football, a school teacher... and now out of nowhere a Lawyer?!?

The story was good though.

Mostly I love M.D. Brights Art on Green lantern. I was used to him drawing Old Hal for a while, and it was great in ED I to see Bright doing Hal in his Prime :)

It was made clear that, as of Rebirth, that was no longer a part of his origin.

In the original Emerald Dawn II series, Sinestro first meets Hal in prisoner (serving time for his DUI).

In issue 5, Hal flashes back to their first meeting and its while Hal is flying a jet.

That aspect of Emerald Dawn, at least, has been retconned out of existance.

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Did they say anywhere that ED I & II ISN"T in continuity? Just because it came from a retcon punch doesn't mean it isn't current. I DID notice they are Downplaying Ferris, and pumping up Air Force Background. That was a little Jarring.

I still can't decide if I liked II. Retconning Sinestro like that was ... Ok. Makes the vendetta against Hal a little more logical. Guy Gardner was weird addition though. So he was involved with Football, a school teacher... and now out of nowhere a Lawyer?!?

The story was good though.

Mostly I love M.D. Brights Art on Green lantern. I was used to him drawing Old Hal for a while, and it was great in ED I to see Bright doing Hal in his Prime :)

The Infinite Crisis Secret Files story makes it implicit that it was Superboy Prime's hammering away at the crystal wall that retconned in Hal's DUI and then retconned it back out again when Rebirth rolled around.

The flashback to Hal's first meeting with Sinestro in Rebirth and the flashback to Hal's origin in the latest GL#1 made this even more clear, since both of these completely contradict their Emerald Dawn depictions.

And to make it even more concrete, Dan Dido and Geoff Johns have both confirmed that Hal's drunk driving is no longer in-continuity because it is at odds with the original character's established personality.

However, Hal witnessing his father's plane crash and Hal training with both Kilowog and Sinestro--elements introduced by Emerald Dawn I & II--have been incorporated in the current incarnation's history.

[PretenderNX01]

I'm glad they went back to the original version of Hal, instead of that awful drunken origin. It'd be like saying "Superman would still be super as an adult if he got high off Green K as a kid, lets add more drama and some shocking revelations"

It just changed too much of the character haveing him a massive screw-up, there was plenty for him to fear consindering he was suposed to be born without it.

[the4thpip]

Start right here:

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/1401207596.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1128018929_.jpg

And maybe get some of those:

http://www.albizu.com/blog/images/crayola.jpg

[bird]

i stopped buying comics for while after the zero hour story line and missed the whole hal as the spectre thing so i was a bit lost in the rebirth series. but, i think the whole rebirth series is a good place to start for the new stories. the showcase presents reprints are great and it's interesting to see the blatant racism and sexism those stories.

the only problem i have is that earth has too many gls! their needs to be a storyline explaining why that's so. i was happy to see hal come back as the gl but why does earth need more gls then the rest of the universe? perhaps i'm just projecting my anti-nationalism of the usa to the fictional dcu. still their needs to be an explaination.

also, i have to demand they bring back ch'p! i loved ch'p and when they killed him off i was pissed! i think there's room for ch'p to be at least a small background character in a gl title.

maybe ch'p could come back after being a wandering alcoholic that was driven to drinking because of the physical pain caused buy injuries he sustained from that yellow truck? :D

[The Shadow]

The Infinite Crisis Secret Files story makes it implicit that it was Superboy Prime's hammering away at the crystal wall that retconned in Hal's DUI and then retconned it back out again when Rebirth rolled around.

The flashback to Hal's first meeting with Sinestro in Rebirth and the flashback to Hal's origin in the latest GL#1 made this even more clear, since both of these completely contradict their Emerald Dawn depictions.

And to make it even more concrete, Dan Dido and Geoff Johns have both confirmed that Hal's drunk driving is no longer in-continuity because it is at odds with the original character's established personality.

However, Hal witnessing his father's plane crash and Hal training with both Kilowog and Sinestro--elements introduced by Emerald Dawn I & II--have been incorporated in the current incarnation's history.
And this is exactly what drives me NUTS about DC Comics.

Too much picking and choosing and *TheStupidestReasonEver* retcon punching.

I would say go OLD SCHOOL and grab the Neal Adams/Denny O'Neill Green Lantern/Green Arrow series'. They are available in trade if you don't want to track down the uber expensive original versions (which is how I'm doing it).

The art is second to none and the stories are fantastic.

[Leebenhouse]

Hm, from what I remember, didn't Hal just get a DUI, but then Legion killed his brother?

Why'd he go to jail? Isn't the usual DUI punishment just a suspended/revoked liscense?

My copies of Emerald Dawn I/II are at home, so I really can't check for a while. Thought the stories were good, and the fact that Hal screwed up was an appropriate beginning to put him in the right place for being a superhero.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

And this is exactly what drives me NUTS about DC Comics.

Too much picking and choosing and *TheStupidestReasonEver* retcon punching.


You don't think Marvel picks and chooses what's in and out of continuity? Hell, as far back as Stan Lee, they've been ignoring certain bits of history and introducing new bits that contradicted what had already been established by previous stories.

For characters that have been in continuous publication for several decades and have had literally thousands of different and sometimes wildly contradictatory stories written about them, it is an inevitable and necessary thing to do. If that fact is something that bugs you so much, I would suggest finding a new hobby, because this is something that isn't going away anytime soon and shouldn't go away if the characters are expected to keep appealing to new audiences.

The retcon punching is just a really funny way to explain it for the fanboys. Personally, I love the idea. How does a pissed-off emotionally-stunted adolecent Superman solve a problem? He hits it of course! There's also something fitting about the flagship character of the DCU being able to alter its very history by throwing a raging hissy fit while trapped in comic book limbo

[Sean Whitmore]

And this is exactly what drives me NUTS about DC Comics.

Too much picking and choosing and *TheStupidestReasonEver* retcon punching.


What, and Marvel's "everyone was a Space Phantom" approach is better? ;)


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

What, and Marvel's "everyone was a Space Phantom" approach is better? ;)


SEAN

If they even do that. They also just ignore it and never mention it again.

I much prefer that approach.

[Sean Whitmore]

I never knew this about Emerald Dawn being retconned out. And I read that Secret Files, so I don't know where the hell my mind was.

Logically, I can understand it, and even agree with it. Hal's whole thing is being fearless and honest, and making him a drunken loser right before getting the ring not only adds nothing, it actively subtracts a little.

That said, there's always the nostalgia of how a character was when you first encountered him. My first non-Superfriends encounter with Hal was as the gray-templed guy with stubble and a bomber jacket wandering around the midwest trying to find himself. The ED minis obviously tied in very well with this depiction, and whether it's true to the character or not, those will likely remain my favorite memories of Hal.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

If they even do that. They also just ignore it and never mention it again.

I much prefer that approach.


But then you don't want them to become like Image/Wildstorm, where you never know WHAT'S in continuity at any given moment and you feel slightly scared to even ask.


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

But then you don't want them to become like Image/Wildstorm, where you never know WHAT'S in continuity at any given moment and you feel slightly scared to even ask.


SEAN

A nebulous approach is what I feel works best. Not saying abandon all continuity but you do want to be a little more fluid with it then concentrating on a set-in-stone approach.

Think about something like Spider-Man beating Firelord, a Herald of Galactus (aka, beings that have to be powerful enough to get through interplanetary armadas). How often do you see that referenced? A really hard-lined approach would be devoting time and effort to retconning that story as opposed to just moving on to tell different kinds of stories.

[Sean Whitmore]

A really hard-lined approach would be devoting time and effort to retconning that story as opposed to just moving on to tell different kinds of stories.


Funnily enough, that's what I find most annoying about some of Geoff John's GL stories (particularly Rebirth). Bringing Hal back was something that could have been best handled in three lines. "Hi. I'm back. I'm fine." Nobody needed any more...his fans loved that he's back, his haters hated it regardless.

Instead he sets to work on retconning/explaining every minute facet of the character's history, as if the goal is to be able to read every Green Lantern comic ever published without there being a single discrepancy.

I mean, explaining away gray hairs? Forget that I liked the gray temples, who was clamoring for an explanation as to why a comic book character once had different-colored hair in a few books twenty years ago?


SEAN

[Kevinroc]

Funnily enough, that's what I find most annoying about some of Geoff John's GL stories (particularly Rebirth). Bringing Hal back was something that could have been best handled in three lines. "Hi. I'm back. I'm fine." Nobody needed any more...his fans loved that he's back, his haters hated it regardless.

Instead he sets to work on retconning/explaining every minute facet of the character's history, as if the goal is to be able to read every Green Lantern comic ever published without there being a single discrepancy.

I mean, explaining away gray hairs? Forget that I liked the gray temples, who was clamoring for an explanation as to why a comic book character once had different-colored hair in a few books twenty years ago?


SEAN

Really, no matter what a writer does, they are going to please some people and piss off other people.

It really just goes to show that there is no "correct" approach to it that will please everyone. It's all more or less a matter of preference. Paraphrasing that old saying of "try to please everybody and you end up pleasing nobody."

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I never knew this about Emerald Dawn being retconned out. And I read that Secret Files, so I don't know where the hell my mind was.

Logically, I can understand it, and even agree with it. Hal's whole thing is being fearless and honest, and making him a drunken loser right before getting the ring not only adds nothing, it actively subtracts a little.

That said, there's always the nostalgia of how a character was when you first encountered him. My first non-Superfriends encounter with Hal was as the gray-templed guy with stubble and a bomber jacket wandering around the midwest trying to find himself. The ED minis obviously tied in very well with this depiction, and whether it's true to the character or not, those will likely remain my favorite memories of Hal.


Sean, you'll be happy to know gray-haired, stubbly Hal Jordan will be appearing in the new Justice League video game I'm dying to get my hands on. This is the first time to my knowledge that any GL has been playable in a video game.

Yeah, I love the graying grizzled veteran Hal Jordan plenty. He went wonderfully with Grell's balding grizzled veteran Ollie Queen. The thing is that Hal Jordan worked for that particular time. Given all the crap he'd just gone through, he had every right to wander around like a hobo going through a mid-life crisis. His girlfriend had not only dumped him, but she'd been transformed into a cosmic psychobitch goddess who murders his successor's wife, John, who managed to get thrown into a South African prison because of Hal.

And he got fired and blackballed from any flying job that didn't involve propellers.

Ouch.

[phantom1592]

You don't think Marvel picks and chooses what's in and out of continuity? Hell, as far back as Stan Lee, they've been ignoring certain bits of history and introducing new bits that contradicted what had already been established by previous stories.

For characters that have been in continuous publication for several decades and have had literally thousands of different and sometimes wildly contradictatory stories written about them, it is an inevitable and necessary thing to do. If that fact is something that bugs you so much, I would suggest finding a new hobby, because this is something that isn't going away anytime soon and shouldn't go away if the characters are expected to keep appealing to new audiences.

The retcon punching is just a really funny way to explain it for the fanboys. Personally, I love the idea. How does a pissed-off emotionally-stunted adolecent Superman solve a problem? He hits it of course! There's also something fitting about the flagship character of the DCU being able to alter its very history by throwing a raging hissy fit while trapped in comic book limbo


Agreed. I was thinking a few weeks ago about that, and it occured to me that Marvel is WORSE than DC when it comes to continuity!

Sure DC may restart and delete a lot of storys every 20 years, but at least they TELL you what's still real and what isn't. Marvel just "forgets" things. Then you have people complainging that Scarlet witch already knew about her kids, and Daredevil had already been outed by a paper before. Nope, apparently that never happened?!?

I would rather they tell us what still counts then have to guess.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I would rather they tell us what still counts then have to guess.

In some cases, I'd agree. In others, there's really no point in addressing it. When they really screw up, Marvel just ignores it and moves on like the Demon Hunting Punisher. Other times, like with the Spider-Clones they go to Rebirth like lengths to explain it all away. Sometimes an explaination is necessary. Most times it isn't.

Something tells me Tony & Reed are gonna be Space Phantomed within a few years thanks to Civil War.

I'd love to see a Space Phantom vs. Yellow Fear Monster team-up with a special guest appearance of Scarlet Witch's Magic Hoo Hoo Dilly.

[phantom1592]

Sean, you'll be happy to know gray-haired, stubbly Hal Jordan will be appearing in the new Justice League video game I'm dying to get my hands on. This is the first time to my knowledge that any GL has been playable in a video game.




WHOA! Say that Again!?!?

Is this the Justice League/ X-men Legends type game? I heard John was in it, Are you saying Hal is there too!

[Sean Whitmore]

Sean, you'll be happy to know gray-haired, stubbly Hal Jordan will be appearing in the new Justice League video game I'm dying to get my hands on. This is the first time to my knowledge that any GL has been playable in a video game.


You're right on, that does make me happy to know! :D


SEAN

[Green Gardner]

Start right here:

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/1401207596.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1128018929_.jpg

And maybe get some of those:

http://www.albizu.com/blog/images/crayola.jpg
I just want to say thanks and screw you at the same time. Once you put the idea in my head, I just had to go out and buy a bunch of color pencils. Coloring within the lines is a bitch.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

WHOA! Say that Again!?!?

Is this the Justice League/ X-men Legends type game? I heard John was in it, Are you saying Hal is there too!

Yep, John (with multiple costumes), Kyle and Hal will all be playable as seperate characters. So John's ring creations will be different from Hal's ring creations--giant green boxing glove anyone? They'll also have different voices. And, you can also play an all Corps team if you want.

Other characters available for play are Supes, Bats, WW, all three Flashes (Wally, Barry & Jay), Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Green Arrow, Hawkgirl & Aquaman.

It just came out yesterday, I believe. I won't be able to play it till I can find a copy somewhere.

[Pól Rua]

It just changed too much of the character haveing him a massive screw-up,...

I dunno. I see that as kinda being part of Hal's charm. He's an irresponsible kid who never really grew up. I always see him as one of those guys who're incredibly popular at high school - homecoming king, sports star, and then tend to drift a bit afterwards.
Luckily for our hero, he found himself another job which suits his essentially immature, egotistical, thrillseeking nature.
For me, part of Hal's charm is this part of his character.
It's the same reason for years he was an aimless drifter (the toy salesman years) and why for instance, his relationship with Carol has always been so unstable.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I dunno. I see that as kinda being part of Hal's charm. He's an irresponsible kid who never really grew up. I always see him as one of those guys who're incredibly popular at high school - homecoming king, sports star, and then tend to drift a bit afterwards.
Luckily for our hero, he found himself another job which suits his essentially immature, egotistical, thrillseeking nature.
For me, part of Hal's charm is this part of his character.
It's the same reason for years he was an aimless drifter (the toy salesman years) and why for instance, his relationship with Carol has always been so unstable.

That's not really much of a hero in my view.

Granted, I also enjoy Hal's less than admirable qualities because it balances out his good qualities. He is a bit of a jackass with a giant ego. He is a reckless daredevil who rarely looks before he leaps. He is a shameless womanizer unwilling settle down with any one woman and when he finally did decide to commit to one, got burned badly by Carol. The trick here is to not make him too much of an ass and recasting him as a drunk driving alcoholic pushed the character a little too far into the fratboy dickhead category for my liking.

In the same way that DC went too far pushing the obsessive loner qualities of Batman so that he became little more than a borderline psychotic control freak who alienated all his friends, they did the same with Hal Jordan in Emerald Dawn by making him too much of a screw-up.

Finding the right balance between the good and bad qualities of these super-heroes is amongst the most difficult things DC and Marvel has to manage. And given the wildly different views readers have about these characters, it's something that will always leave somebody unhappy.

I also don't think Hal was ever the homecomming king. I think he was too focused on joining the Air Force and flying jets to have time for any of that nonsense. He was too busy running off to airfields getting into trouble.

[trickster]

I mean, explaining away gray hairs? Forget that I liked the gray temples, who was clamoring for an explanation as to why a comic book character once had different-colored hair in a few books twenty years ago?


I thought that was pure genius, that he was gripped by fear of death and getting old and that's how Parallax got him. Besides he'd have to be young to be a test pilot. And who'd want to read about a graying 50 yo man?

[Green Gardner]

In the same way that DC went too far pushing the obsessive loner qualities of Batman so that he became little more than a borderline psychotic control freak who alienated all his friends, they did the same with Hal Jordan in Emerald Dawn by making him too much of a screw-up.
I see what you're saying, and it's a good point, but the Batman comparison seems a bit off the mark to me. I mean, the whole Batdick thing is an ongoing (Albeit toned down right now, thank God.) trait, part of what DEFINED Batman when he was being written that way. The drunken loser thing wasn't. It was something Hal had to get over in order to BECOME Green Lantern, and I thought it was sort of cool seeing Hal step up to the plate. Also, it sort of puts Hal's dedication to the Corps in a more approachable perspective; at the time he got it, Hal NEEDED something like the ring as a focus to pull his life together, and as such, it helped define him as a human being.

Of course, seeing Hal as that drunken loser in the first place was more than a bit unsettling, especially as no explanation was provided for how he got that way. Its being retconned out is hardly something I lose any sleep over. I just don't think it necessarily contradicts the character Hal would later become.

[Super Buddies Forever]

And who'd want to read about a graying 50 yo man?

Yes, because anyone over forty is dull and uninteresting and should immediately be sent to a nursing home.

Seriously, I liked the grey temples. They were a subtle enough change to show that the Silver Age heroes have been around for awhile without pinning a specific age on them. I was sad to see Rebirth retcon them away.

[phantom1592]

Yes, because anyone over forty is dull and uninteresting and should immediately be sent to a nursing home.

Seriously, I liked the grey temples. They were a subtle enough change to show that the Silver Age heroes have been around for awhile without pinning a specific age on them. I was sad to see Rebirth retcon them away.


The only thing I didn't like about them was they chose to Age GL and GA, but didn't touch any of the others. If Hal is 40-50, then so is Superman and Batman, and all the rest. The inconsistency annoyed me. Other than that it was fine. I did get pumped up when I saw Young Hal back though :)

[Super Buddies Forever]

Well, people go grey at all ages. I figured Hal, Clark, Bruce, Ollie, etc. were all around 35 at that point (going by the Zero Hour "10 years" timeline) but, again, no specific age needed to be given.

One thing I don't understand is why the grey went away. Sure, the fear monster had left his body, but why would that alter what already happened to his follicles as a result?

Yeah, I know. Silly fanboy griping.

[phantom1592]

Well, people go grey at all ages. I figured Hal, Clark, Bruce, Ollie, etc. were all around 35 at that point (going by the Zero Hour "10 years" timeline) but, again, no specific age needed to be given.

One thing I don't understand is why the grey went away. Sure, the fear monster had left his body, but why would that alter what already happened to his follicles as a result?

Yeah, I know. Silly fanboy griping.

Yeah that's not bad, except that Ollie had his 40th (and 41st) birthday in Grells series. That really annoyed me. Something about listening to heroes complain about their aches and pains... not right.

[the4thpip]

Yes, because anyone over forty is dull and uninteresting and should immediately be sent to a nursing home.

Seriously, I liked the grey temples. They were a subtle enough change to show that the Silver Age heroes have been around for awhile without pinning a specific age on them. I was sad to see Rebirth retcon them away.
My hair started going grey when I was 15. I had completely grey temples at around 23.

[Paul Newell]

And I've had grey temples for the last 5 years. I won't be forty until next year.

[trickster]

Yes, because anyone over forty is dull and uninteresting and should immediately be sent to a nursing home.

Seriously, I liked the grey temples. They were a subtle enough change to show that the Silver Age heroes have been around for awhile without pinning a specific age on them. I was sad to see Rebirth retcon them away.

I've seen 20 yo people who are dull and uninteresting.