What Would Jesus Drive?

[Ontir]

This was one of the questions asked in Bill Moyer's PBS presentation Is God Green?, tonight. Churches across the country, like the Vineyard Boise Church in Idaho are among those who have decided that Genesis tells them that they are meant to be the stewards of the Earth, and that Revelations warns that God will destroy those, who destroy the Earth. With that in mind, they have switched to recycling, and re-foresting in areas once blighted by gold mining. In Virginia, in areas where coal is blasted out of the ground by thousands of tons of explosives, hurling toxic dust into the air and contaminating the water supply, Christians are mobilizing to make changes in their environment as well. For the longest time, the ultra-powerful, extremely political Evangelicals like James Dobson and Pat Robertson, fearing a political schism, have done their best to denounce any and all, including fellow Evangelicals, who pursue environmental responsibility, in line with the White House; yet the numbers are growing, and between the time of the show's completion and it's airing, the mountain, it appears, has come to Mohammed: Marion "Pat" Robertson said that the heat of this last summer was making a convert of him. That icebergs were melting, and that the CO2 levels were too high, and that something needed to be done about it. Whether it was the voice of God, or the political writing on the wall is between God and Robertson.

[Buzz Dixon]

Money lenders out of the temple.

[BoosterBronze]

A think a man who rode a donkey probably wouldnt drive a Hummer. Or an H3.

[Shellhead]

A think a man who rode a donkey probably wouldnt drive a Hummer. Or an H3.

Maybe the donkey was the SUV of ancient times? Probably not.

[Scorpion13]

The H3 of ancient times would probably have been a kickin' rad chariot with 4 hourses and blades on the wheels to cut down anyone in its way.

Im not sure Jesus would ride around in one, though.

[Mac Danny]

A yellow truck that says "Jesus Wagon" on the back.

Or he'd be a trucker for Guaranteed Overnight Delivery

[Ontir]

My experience with donkeys, is that they give far more gas than they use! :eek:

I found this show fascinating, as I've had debates with one "Rush-is-right-Republican-Fundamentalist" for years, who always quotes the "God gave man dominion..." line, and I've always insisted that "Dominion" isn't the same as a license to "lay waste to." One of the Ministers interviewed also said that when asked what Hell was like, Christ said, "Gehenna," which was a garbage dump, and that we ought not to turn our home - God's creation, into a garbage dump or Hell. Cizik also challenged people to look beyond corporate donations, and even their own jobs to theological convictions, and to then do what they felt God was asking of them. There is no denying the Evangelical voting base, and if they go green, the beleaguered efforts of 40 years, can be kicked into high-gear, VERY quickly!

[FanboyStranger]

This was already answered on Rescue Me. He drives a yellow Ferrari with a bumper sticker that says "Now you know what I drive!"

[Ontir]

Did that show answer any of the other questions?

[Jared]

The H3 of ancient times would probably have been a kickin' rad chariot with 4 hourses and blades on the wheels to cut down anyone in its way.

Im not sure Jesus would ride around in one, though.


But Moses would.

http://www.astor-theatre.com/images/ben-hur/chariot1.jpeg

[Buzz Dixon]

That's Ben Hur, not Moses.;)

Jesus was a carpenter, so he'd probably drive a pick-up truck or work van.

[FanboyStranger]

Did that show answer any of the other questions?

Hell, no. It's about effed-up firefighters living in New York, and dealing with the ghosts that haunt them. It does provide a facinating look into Irish-American Catholcism, however.

[malephoenix]

My experience with donkeys, is that they give far more gas than they use! :eek:

Too true.:D

I found this show fascinating, as I've had debates with one "Rush-is-right-Republican-Fundamentalist" for years, who always quotes the "God gave man dominion..." line, and I've always insisted that "Dominion" isn't the same as a license to "lay waste to." One of the Ministers interviewed also said that when asked what Hell was like, Christ said, "Gehenna," which was a garbage dump, and that we ought not to turn our home - God's creation, into a garbage dump or Hell. Cizik also challenged people to look beyond corporate donations, and even their own jobs to theological convictions, and to then do what they felt God was asking of them. There is no denying the Evangelical voting base, and if they go green, the beleaguered efforts of 40 years, can be kicked into high-gear, VERY quickly!

For anyone that cares: I was raised by two very republican parents, (and my father audibly gasped when he found out I was the chaplain for the Christian College Democrats organization at my school). But my parents raised me that we were to take care of the earth. It was Satan's work in the Garden of Eden to separate man in three ways: (1) from God, (2) from each other (and from oneself), (3) and from the land.

And the Gehenna as a garbage dump is a view that was proven untrue by archaelogical excavation and discovery. It's easy to see how people used to arrive at that conclusion, but the site has absolutely no signs of *even a fraction* of enough trash to have been a dump. For the most part, the only people that still generally hold that belief in Christianity are the ones who don't know about the archaeological findings, or the ones that are too set in their ways to believe anything than what they've already been taught, or the ones that have an agenda for saying it's that way. (Such as saying "dominion" over = "trash this planet." I am surprised by the way you say that minister used the term, saying we shouldn't turn the world into a garbage dump, because I've usually heard people refer to it in the opposite directoin, much akin to your friend, Litterbug.) Basically, God gave us responsibility over the planet, and yes, that comes with its uses (I couldn't be vegetarian), but it also comes with being environmentally aware and taking care of the earth.




Just saying some stuff. Please don't think I'm "preaching" because it includes God.





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[Buzz Dixon]

So now I'm curious: Where did the inhabitants of Jerusalem dump their trash?

(Serious question; I'm interested in history and archeology.)

[estee]

Please...Jesus would drive a Cadillac Eldorado with big-ass fins. :D

[Sanagi]

He'd drive a miracle-powered car, of course. Pour water in and transmute it into gas.

Hmm. Although, if he read up on his physics, he could probably miraculously sustain cold fusion in a bucket of water.

[malephoenix]

So now I'm curious: Where did the inhabitants of Jerusalem dump their trash?

(Serious question; I'm interested in history and archeology.)

I'll ask my archaeology professor. I'm about to go take an exam in his class, so I'll be there, anyway, and I'll see if there was just one main place or multiple places.

(Timing always fascinates me. It was only in the last few weeks that I even heard of the Gehenna excavation that was done there, and that I learned enough to actually change my opinion. And then here it is - on a CBR thread.)

[Ontir]

Thanks for the information Male, far from preaching, you're providing the sort of feed-back I was hoping for. I chose the title for this thread, which was in the show, because I knew it would get attention; but I was afraid that people would get too caught up in that, to get to the meat of the subject (which has, to some extent happened).

Also, having noticed your avatar, I wish you the best in your struggle.

Now I'm with Buzz, where did the people of Jerusalem dump their trash?

[malephoenix]

Thanks for the information Male, far from preaching, you're providing the sort of feed-back I was hoping for. I chose the title for this thread, which was in the show, because I knew it would get attention; but I was afraid that people would get too caught up in that, to get to the meat of the subject (which has, to some extent happened).

Also, having noticed your avatar, I wish you the best in your struggle.

Now I'm with Buzz, where did the people of Jerusalem dump their trash?

My Prof said that he never heard that question before, and he chuckled. He's going to look it up to make sure, but he figures that chances are, they had a few different places. The focus is apparently not about where did they dump their garbage, but rather on "What was Gehenna like?" He showed me some pictures, and it looks gorgeous, and the evidence from excavation lends itself that it isn't on top of an ancient dump, but that it would have looked almost the exact same then as it does now. (Which prompts me to ask what Jesus meant when he cited the place. I'm going to look that up, too.) I'll set a reminder on my laptop. Somebody PM me if I haven't re-visited the subject by this time next week.

[malephoenix]

Double the post, half the content.

[Cyke]

I'm reminded of an article a few weeks ago in Time Magazine, about the phenomenon of churches in the Bible Belt that were preaching the message that God wants you to be rich, successful, and competitive.

A few weeks later, I read the letters column in the magazine, and (surprise!) 90% of the readers were all offended, if not hostile, to the idea that God's ultimate goal for us was wealth, power, and greed.

[Ontir]

It's interesting how the Protestant Work Ethic has been turned into "Jesus needs a rollercoaster!", while ignoring Christ's admonition that it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

[BoosterBronze]

Every morning I catch that infomercial either for the Miracle Springs Water or the Magic Green Scrap of Cloth (I swear to GOD I'm not making that up).

If you get either of those things, God is supposed to make you wealthy. And cure your cancer.

I know the bible says not to kill people and stuff, but I think those two "preachers" who sell those are exceptions.

[Motormouse]

One of these

http://www.fresh99.com/images/flintstonecar/flintstones-car.JPG

[Ontir]

Of the more questionable televangelists, I think there's got to be a special ring of Hell saved for

http://www.trinityfi.org/images/tilton01.jpg

He looks less like the Joker than he used to; but he's pure evil.

[Tobias March]

A green Ford Mondeo, with crucifix 'speed-lines', along both sides. To remind him what happened to him the last time he slowed down to talk to us.

[Buzz Dixon]

Actually, the Book of Revelations says He will return on a white horse, so I assume the question remains whether it will be a hardtop or a convertible Mustang.

[Joe Rice]

They dumped the trash outside the city gates in Jerusalem. That's one of the reasons being crucified there was so horrible. You were out with all the rotting trash.

[malephoenix]

I'm reminded of an article a few weeks ago in Time Magazine, about the phenomenon of churches in the Bible Belt that were preaching the message that God wants you to be rich, successful, and competitive.

A few weeks later, I read the letters column in the magazine, and (surprise!) 90% of the readers were all offended, if not hostile, to the idea that God's ultimate goal for us was wealth, power, and greed.

I read that article while in the waiting room to get checked out following an automobile accident. Man, some of those guys really...(to use my deceased grandfather's words, because it feels so accurate) chap my hide! The Bible does make it clear that God blesses people who do His work, but it's not necesarrily monetarily. And it was just golly-swell that the article listed verses "for and against" the concept; great way to make it look like the Bible contradicts itself on this matter. Some people who are reading the magazine don't read the Bible so this is just *great* exposure for them.

It's not that God will make you rich (or that He wants you to own land, as one pastor declared in the article) - it's that money is a blessing just like everything else, and He calls on us to use it responsibly.

(Not surprised that so many got upset about the article though; but we're told in the very same Scriptures that the bottom line is that the world is not going to understand or agree with the Bible, so why be surprised or let it challenge your faith? I shake my head thinking about some of the people that told me The DaVinci Code shook their faith. This article is along the same lines: This isn't what selflessly Loving others is about, so don't sweat it.) (Okay - in the paranthetical, I got a little preachy - but I can't apologize for it; I'm a youth and family minister, so it happens sometimes.)

[malephoenix]

Of the more questionable televangelists, I think there's got to be a special ring of Hell saved for

http://www.trinityfi.org/images/tilton01.jpg

He looks less like the Joker than he used to; but he's pure evil.

I'm embarrased to admit that when I first saw the video of him farting two years ago, I thought it was real. :o

[Cyke]

I read that article while in the waiting room to get checked out following an automobile accident. Man, some of those guys really...(to use my deceased grandfather's words, because it feels so accurate) chap my hide! The Bible does make it clear that God blesses people who do His work, but it's not necesarrily monetarily. And it was just golly-swell that the article listed verses "for and against" the concept; great way to make it look like the Bible contradicts itself on this matter. Some people who are reading the magazine don't read the Bible so this is just *great* exposure for them.

It's not that God will make you rich (or that He wants you to own land, as one pastor declared in the article) - it's that money is a blessing just like everything else, and He calls on us to use it responsibly.

(Not surprised that so many got upset about the article though; but we're told in the very same Scriptures that the bottom line is that the world is not going to understand or agree with the Bible, so why be surprised or let it challenge your faith? I shake my head thinking about some of the people that told me The DaVinci Code shook their faith. This article is along the same lines: This isn't what selflessly Loving others is about, so don't sweat it.) (Okay - in the paranthetical, I got a little preachy - but I can't apologize for it; I'm a youth and family minister, so it happens sometimes.)

Well, like many things in the Bible, the contradictions only depend on how one interprets it. But the movement does sound like it puts an emphasis of riches over many of the other fine things the Bible teaches, like charity, generosity, goodwill towards fellow man, etc. etc. Gaining money and working for wealth is fine, but to make it the top priority from religious teachings? That more money is a sign of more love from God? I can't stomach the idea that God would favor the rich over the meek who are supposed to inherit the Earth.

[malephoenix]

Well, like many things in the Bible, the contradictions only depend on how one interprets it. But the movement does sound like it puts an emphasis of riches over many of the other fine things the Bible teaches, like charity, generosity, goodwill towards fellow man, etc. etc. Gaining money and working for wealth is fine, but to make it the top priority from religious teachings? That more money is a sign of more love from God? I can't stomach the idea that God would favor the rich over the meek who are supposed to inherit the Earth.

Indeed, the movement in general usually isn't so much that it is the top religious priority, but that it's one of those things that simply happen in your (sincere) walk with God. (I just threw up a little in my mouth just thinking about the ridiculousness about the idea.) (No, not really.)

[Captain_Video]

Surely he would ride some kind of organice spaceship on his space adventures.

Or maybe a Harley Davidson, or Triumph hog.

He is all about freedom and exploration.

He was the one who fought the bear right ?

[Jared]

Every morning I catch that infomercial either for the Miracle Springs Water or the Magic Green Scrap of Cloth (I swear to GOD I'm not making that up).


I've one of those infomercials, there was a woman who swore she used to have the have the AIDS full blown, but buying the cloth cured her!!!

Personally, I think that Magic Green Scrap of Cloth is just ripping off Kahballa Ribbons.

[StoneGold]

Well, he sure as hell wouldn't ride the bus.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k3r2vGvJia8