Pick Your Retcon 5: Wolverine's Claws!

[HellFrost]

Hey guys, Here's number 5 in my series of threads. Wolverine's claws!

Choice 1: Wolverine's claws are implants.

Originally, Wolverine's claws were implants given to him by Weapon X when he had the adamantium laced throughout his body. This theory is supported by Uncanny X-Men 272, where Logan's powers are blocked, such as his healing factor, and yet he is still able to use his claws. This concept wasn't questioned until Wolverine 75.

Choice 2: Wolverine's claws are natural bone.

In 1993, during the Fatal Attractions crossover, we discovered that Wolverine, even with his adamantium ripped from his body, possessed claws made of bone, which has been reinforced in the last 13 years of stories, including Wolverine: Origin.

My choice:
I prefer Wolverine with bone claws. To me, that all of his abilities be natural mutation makes more sense. While I'm sure it's possible for him to control them, I never liked that he could thought control them without them being actually connected to him.

So vote!

[Joe Acro]

I pick the first option. Although the power itself makes little sense to me, I feel that the claws shouldn't be mutant-influenced. I'm a stickler for one-power mutancy.

EDIT: The Origins story is where the mutant-claws notion truly lies. Fatal Attraction could've been explained using science.

[Canemacar]

I went with natural claws. It just seemed to fit better.

[Faded]

NATURAL BABY!

Part of the appeal of the idea of mutants (preposition explosion there--that's GOTTA be wrong!) is the naturalness of it all. I *wish* the adamantium claws were natural and his healing factor was only strong enough to keep him from being poisoned, but that isn't meant to be I guess.

[Tobias March]

Remember that scene in AoA when Larry Hama had his claws pop out of the severed arm? Yeah.

Wolvie's a walking retcon. He's young, he's old, his memories are implants, the memories he discovers are implants and now he's other memories which he can't remember properly....He's a mess.

Go hogwild I say. Screw the natural claws or the strap ons - my favourite theory was that he was an actual wolverine artificially evolved by the High Evolutionary. I hear that one was actually in the running for a while.

[Gene M.]

Bone, baby, bone.

[xakko]

adamantium only for me.

i don't mind the bone any more, although some of the cutting feats with simple bone pushed the limits of my suspension of disbelief.

but the idea that it was done to him- possibly to make him even more a "Wolverine" as had been his codename prior to the program. Besides, how would he have kept them quiet those decades where he was in the military or was a special agent? He never once popped them reflexively? He never had X-rays of his arms- or even a physical for that matter?

i also wasn't terribly thrilled with a lot of the bone claw Wolvie stories.

[JmH Reborn]

Bone all the way...

And in Wolverine's only true origin Weapon X, where he pops them out in front of the scientists and they scream "What the heck are those!!!" that was all that I needed to believe that they were bone claws, and made this retcon believeable.

I still don't get the big deal

Wolverine was intended to be a young hotshot upstart by Len Wein and those 'claws' were supposed to be an extension of his gloves, just like Sabretooth's were originally are.

CC and Bryne's revelations and unmasking were the real true retcons...

All in all, bone claws ALL THE WAY

[CaptainCanada]

Bone claws. Them being implants never made much sense to me.

[That JonoGuy]

I went with natural claws. It just seemed to fit better.


Pretty much my sentiments as well.

[brundlefly]

Adamantium implants. I liked the way that he kind of resented having them, as they (and the adamantium lacing his skeleton) were symbolic of the fact that he had been tortured, dehumanized, and turned into a weapon against his will.

[Frodo-X]

I prefer the bony bastard.

If the claws were implanted, all Logan has is healing. Frankly, he's close enough to Sabretooth as it is.

[Alan2099]

Bone claws. I especially liked the fact that even HE thought they claws were implants. It just threw another twist from his crazy past out there.

[Will.S]

Bone claws because they simply make more sense and I like the visuals when they show them to be bone (such as in Origin).

Daniel Way's recent Wolverine issue pretty much closed that gap during his Weapon X/Black ops days.

[Punch]

Adamantium implants. I liked the way that he kind of resented having them, as they (and the adamantium lacing his skeleton) were symbolic of the fact that he had been tortured, dehumanized, and turned into a weapon against his will.
good post.
I voted for the adamantium claws too, though the bone claws do make more sense

[Mikl C]

I don't see the sense in the bone claws myself. So it's bone coated in adamantium and not a pure blade of adamantium? That wouldn't be as strong.

[JLarson]

Bone Claws all the way. Pretty good editorial work on the character.

[HellFrost]

I don't see the sense in the bone claws myself. So it's bone coated in adamantium and not a pure blade of adamantium? That wouldn't be as strong.
I'd say they are as strong as any animal's claws you'd would meet in the wild that could tear you or a whole army(that's stretching it, I know) of you apart. And since it is Marvel I'd say his claws would be harder and stronger than that. lol:D

[traxler]

Adamantium,
A:because I like Logan as Homo sapiens, not a mutant.
B: Because bone claws are silly. They'd break.
C: it was in the movie, so it must be so.

[caney]

Adamantium Implants!

While bone claws are a fairly cool natural mutation, I like the idea that the adamantium claws were added at the time when the adamantium was added to his skeleton. It makes the whole process a little more traumatic for Logan. His claws would be a constant visable reminder of what was done to him and it would create an interesting dilemma. He seems to enjoy using the claws so would he want to have them removed if possible to fix what was done to him?

(On a side note, I love that all the choices in these polls end with an exclamation point. There's no sitting on the fence when voting. You must vote and you must do it with confidence.)

[AceOfSpades]

I gotta go with bone... I think its possible, plus, i have no problem with double mutations

[HellFrost]

I gotta go with bone... I think its possible, plus, i have no problem with double mutations
I do too, but I always thought of the healing factor being tied to his claws since he's a feral.:)

[Uncle Nobs]

adamantium only for me.

i don't mind the bone any more, although some of the cutting feats with simple bone pushed the limits of my suspension of disbelief.

but the idea that it was done to him- possibly to make him even more a "Wolverine" as had been his codename prior to the program. Besides, how would he have kept them quiet those decades where he was in the military or was a special agent? He never once popped them reflexively? He never had X-rays of his arms- or even a physical for that matter?

i also wasn't terribly thrilled with a lot of the bone claw Wolvie stories.
Exactly. 101010

[Uncle Nobs]

Adamantium implants. I liked the way that he kind of resented having them, as they (and the adamantium lacing his skeleton) were symbolic of the fact that he had been tortured, dehumanized, and turned into a weapon against his will.
Thank you!

[Uncle Nobs]

I don't see the sense in the bone claws myself. So it's bone coated in adamantium and not a pure blade of adamantium? That wouldn't be as strong.
Yup.

Which is more effective? Razor-sharp, ultra-thin samurai sword or big, chunky, finger-thick blade?

[Wind-Breaker]

I voted for the implants, under the condition that his healing factor, and heightened senses are his mutant powers. Thats enough powers as it is. I never really was a fan of the whole bone claw phase/concept to begin with.

[rwsmith]

Y'know, now that Marvel has an an Ultimate Universe to keep the status quo in, I wouldn't mind seeing Logan in the 616 with the bone claws again. When he first lost his adamantium I hated it, but after awhile I grew to accept it, and then finally even began to enjoy him sans adamantium. Looking back on it, Larry Hama wrote some of the best Wolverine stories of his career while Logan was de-powered and adamantium-less.

I honestly wouldn't mind someone taking the original Claremont plan for Deathstrike tearing out Wolverine's heart and "killing" him, and then him eventually growing a new heart but his body rejecting the adamantium in the process and forcing it out, and running with it. I could see Mark Guggenheim coming back to Wolverine after Loeb does his big Logan/Sabretooth story and doing something with this concept. Perhaps having Deathstrike usurp leadership of the Hand from Elektra (who was running the organization after Logan decimated their ranks during Millar's run on Wolverine), and then finally getting her revenge on Logan in the manner I described (tearing out his heart). The X-men bury him in the next issue and deal with his death, and then he comes back in the one after that two months later. So, basically, over the course of 6-8 weeks his body regenerated a new heart and his body started pumping blood again. At this point his body has started to decompose (because the entirety of his healing factor was focused on growing him a new heart and expelling the poisonous adamantium), and he digs his way out of his grave. Once in the sunlight, you realize that during that process his body actually has all of these spikes coming out of it where the adamantium was being pushed out. He's all spiky for awhile, and they keep getting longer until eventually they start falling out. Ultimately we're left with an adamantium-free Wolverine again in the 616. Could be cool IMO.

As for the question posed by this thread, do we really have to choose? 616 Logan has always had bone claws, but Mark Millar said when he was writing Ultimate X-men that he thinks the bone claws are silly and that Ultimate Wolverine has pure adamantium implants. So we really get the best of both worlds, don't we?

[We R. Venom]

So what happened to Wolverine's Bone Claws? They were taken out and replaced by the adimantium? or are they just laced in adimantium?

[rwsmith]

Just laced. Which actually makes sense, because if you go and read the original Weapon X mini-series by Barry Windsor-Smith you will find that the Professor and Dr. Cornelius (who put the adamantium into Wolverine) were completely surprised when he popped his claws. So they obviously didn't put any mechanical implants into him, otherwise why would they have been surprised by them? IMO it was actually a nice little sub-plot that Marvel actually followed up on by revealing that they were bone all along.

Though I'm sure it will be quite different in Loeb's take on Ultimate Wolverine's origin in his upcoming mini with Michael Turner. I'm betting they'll be implants in the Ultimate U.

[Arrjay]

Wolverine be a hard playa.

He need dem bone claws so he can smack bitches up when dey be clownin'.

Dawg.

[Joe Acro]

Just laced. Which actually makes sense, because if you go and read the original Weapon X mini-series by Barry Windsor-Smith you will find that the Professor and Dr. Cornelius (who put the adamantium into Wolverine) were completely surprised when he popped his claws. So they obviously didn't put any mechanical implants into him, otherwise why would they have been surprised by them? IMO it was actually a nice little sub-plot that Marvel actually followed up on by revealing that they were bone all along.
Actually, I believe they didn't understand why the adamantium was being applied more heavily on the hands. Then, they were suprised that such lacing caused him to have claws. This could have bee explained in another way without having to say he's had mutant claws all along (which contradicts a previous Sentinel story).

[Frodo-X]

I like the bone claws being there because it makes more sense. It seems odd that extra adamantium would luckily form six retractable claws without being planned.

However, I don't like the bone claws themselves. It makes sense to me that they exist, but I prefer them covered with adamantium. Bone just isn't as threatening or as useful.

[Angel of Death]

Bone claws all the way. Because if they were implanted wouldn't his body reject them?

[Uncle Nobs]

Bone claws all the way. Because if they were implanted wouldn't his body reject them?
If you're going to ask that, you might as well ask why his body wouldn't reject all the adamantium.

The answer to both is that the bonding/implanting process was designed to be impervious to his healing factor.

[Madrox84]

I like the idea of the claws being natural.

[Sorcerer Supreme]

Natural! Theyre just a better idea, look great without adamantium.

[sherlockbones]

i am not a discovery channel junkie, but which animal actually has bone claws? i think their claws are always some kinda horn substance, like our finger nails. i never liked them very much, because i instantly thought how useless they would be. but the kubert art at that time rocked, so they were visually appealing.

and i can´t see why bone claws make more sense for another reason. if cornelius and co were surprised when the claws popped out for the first time, it is highly unbelieveable, considering all the planning and high-tech connected with creation of weapon x.

best explanation for the bws book would be that the claws were implanted on purpose, maybe by an unknown party involved, explaining why the staff was surprised by the sight of them

[Sorcerer Supreme]

i am not a discovery channel junkie, but which animal actually has bone claws?

Wolvie is a Mutant!

[sherlockbones]

Wolvie is a Mutant!

i said that because most people that said they d prefer bone claws said so cause they felt it makes more "sense".
feral mutant>natural claws more plausible
my point: bone claws not found in nature>bone claws nonsense

[MakeshiftHero]

i said that because most people that said they d prefer bone claws said so cause they felt it makes more "sense".
feral mutant>natural claws more plausible
my point: bone claws not found in nature>bone claws nonsense
Well the bigger jungle cats have retractable claws, and it is a mutation, like how Darwin found some lizzards to swim and have sharper teeth to get food from the water, where as the same type back in another place dont swim at all.
I think bone claws make him seem cooler, and maybe they're not a "mutation" like his healing factor but an actual birth defect or somethinglike how when babies are being developed they have a tail and gills and eventualy grow those out during development. But anyways, I'm a huge fan of the claws being all him.

[Alan2099]

Neither are highly excelerated healing factors. Sometimes you just have to take the idea and ignore how details.

[Kaos]

bone claws...if they were implants, why didn't they do the same thing for sabretooth..:P

[sherlockbones]

Well the bigger jungle cats have retractable claws, and it is a mutation, like how Darwin found some lizzards to swim and have sharper teeth to get food from the water, where as the same type back in another place dont swim at all.

yeah but still their claws, retractable or not, are not bone. i know it is comic science, but silly comic book science neverhteless.

i think bone claws make him seem cooler, and maybe they're not a "mutation" like his healing factor but an actual birth defect or somethinglike how when babies aI re being developed they have a tail and gills and eventualy grow those out during development. But anyways, I'm a huge fan of the claws being all him.

i think what you mean is not a mutation, but it is called atavisms. check it out, pretty astonishing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atavism

[Cthulhudrew]

I say adamantium claws, since it seemed a better idea (IMO) that they were added to him during the Weapon X process as a way of better "weaponizing" him to their liking. The way it originally appeared was that, just as his healing factor made him eligible for the adamantium bonding process, so too did the people behind Weapon X decide they could experiment with him and make some additions (like the claws).

That being said, I think that Larry Hama did an excellent job with the bone claw retcon that was hinted at in Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X series. Hama's run on vol 1 of Wolverine was, frankly, the highlight of that series IMO.

[Cthulhudrew]

bone claws...if they were implants, why didn't they do the same thing for sabretooth..:P

They didn't bond adamantium to Sabretooth either. I could think of any number of reasons why, though I'd guess the disaster that took place after Wolvie escaped the first time was the big one.

[Sorcerer Supreme]

They didn't bond adamantium to Sabretooth either.


Its has been bonded to him for short spells. Sabretooth got bonded with it in Woverine #126, in 1998 didnt he?

[Uncle Nobs]

Misconception:
"In the BWS Weapon X series, the Weapon X staff was surprised when Logan first popped his adamantium claws. Therefore, this must mean that they didn't know about him having bone claws and that the adamantium accidentally bonded to his bone claws."

Truth:
The Weapon X staff's surprise was meant to imply that the shadow benefactor behind the entire Weapon X project had decided to implant the claws without the staff's knowledge. (I may be misremembering, but wasn't the Professor unfazed--satisfied, even--by the sight of the claws, as if he was the only one who knew about them?)

The entire series hints at a shadow benefactor. For several years prior, the question of who was behind Weapon X had been raised. The next year, Walt Simonson made this the focus of Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure, where he hints that Apocalypse was behind Weapon X.

People who were already familiar with the bone claw retcon before they read the MCP Weapon X series saw the surprise on the faces of the Weapon X staff and assumed it meant bone claws, not taking into consideration BWS's actual intentions or the consensus in the Marvel offices at the time.

Further, it strains credibility beyond reason to think that A) the Weapon X staff wouldn't notice bone claws in endless examinations and X-rays prior to surgery, and B) the adamantium bonding process is a matter of simply funneling adamantium into the bloodstream and letting it magically bond with whatever bone material it finds without any kind of intentional direction given by the doctors.

I know this is all pseudo-science, but can we at least have a fantasy world realistic enough that a very deliberate operation requires very deliberate planning and execution?

Like them if you want to, but the bone claws never made sense.

(Not to mention how they change history to the point that the Weapon X project only improved him, whereas previously it changed him into an instrument of death that hated his own existence. It's traumatic to be experimented on like an animal in either case, but before the retcon, it had lasting effects. But I digress...)

[sherlockbones]

you eloquently stated what i tried to point out with my weak english
:cool:
full ack

and i can´t see why bone claws make more sense for another reason. if cornelius and co were surprised when the claws popped out for the first time, it is highly unbelieveable, considering all the planning and high-tech connected with creation of weapon x.

best explanation for the bws book would be that the claws were implanted on purpose, maybe by an unknown party involved, explaining why the staff was surprised by the sight of them

[rwsmith]

Misconception:
"In the BWS Weapon X series, the Weapon X staff was surprised when Logan first popped his adamantium claws. Therefore, this must mean that they didn't know about him having bone claws and that the adamantium accidentally bonded to his bone claws."

Truth:
The Weapon X staff's surprise was meant to imply that the shadow benefactor behind the entire Weapon X project had decided to implant the claws without the staff's knowledge. (I may be misremembering, but wasn't the Professor unfazed--satisfied, even--by the sight of the claws, as if he was the only one who knew about them?)

The entire series hints at a shadow benefactor. For several years prior, the question of who was behind Weapon X had been raised. The next year, Walt Simonson made this the focus of Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure, where he hints that Apocalypse was behind Weapon X.

People who were already familiar with the bone claw retcon before they read the MCP Weapon X series saw the surprise on the faces of the Weapon X staff and assumed it meant bone claws, not taking into consideration BWS's actual intentions or the consensus in the Marvel offices at the time.

Further, it strains credibility beyond reason to think that A) the Weapon X staff wouldn't notice bone claws in endless examinations and X-rays prior to surgery, and B) the adamantium bonding process is a matter of simply funneling adamantium into the bloodstream and letting it magically bond with whatever bone material it finds without any kind of intentional direction given by the doctors.

I know this is all pseudo-science, but can we at least have a fantasy world realistic enough that a very deliberate operation requires very deliberate planning and execution?

Like them if you want to, but the bone claws never made sense.

(Not to mention how they change history to the point that the Weapon X project only improved him, whereas previously it changed him into an instrument of death that hated his own existence. It's traumatic to be experimented on like an animal in either case, but before the retcon, it had lasting effects. But I digress...)

2 things:

1) The Professor was just as surprised as everyone else when Logan first popped his claws. In fact, in one scene where he's talking to the "shadow benefactor" you referenced in your post, he expresses frustration over the fact that he was not even told that Logan is a mutant!

I quote: "Logan is a mutant. He has some kind of super human power to regenerate damaged tissue. He could be just about immortal! And you didn't see fit to inform me of this somewhat important factor!"

2) I agree that the original intention was for it to be revealed that someone (perhaps Apocalypse) was behind the whole Weapon X project. Grant Morrison and Frank Tieri later retconned that shadowy benefactor to be Sublime. Having said that, if someone put the claws into Logan in the original Weapon X series, it wasn't the Professor or any of his people. Which doesn't really make sense because the mysterious "guy behind the scenes" wasn't even there and thus could not have put them in himself. So why would the Professor, Cornelius and Hines have been surprised by the claws? That's what doesn't make sense, and IMO it was a nice pick up by Larry Hama or whomever made the call to retcon Logan's claws so that they were always part of his anatomy.

[Joe Acro]

Having said that, if someone put the claws into Logan in the original Weapon X series, it wasn't the Professor or any of his people. Which doesn't really make sense because the mysterious "guy behind the scenes" wasn't even there and thus could not have put them in himself. So why would the Professor, Cornelius and Hines have been surprised by the claws? That's what doesn't make sense, and IMO it was a nice pick up by Larry Hama or whomever made the call to retcon Logan's claws so that they were always part of his anatomy.
Theoretically, the benefactor modified the process before the scientists in the story actually performed the experiment. If it had been modified without their knowledge, it is easy to understand why Professor, Cornelius, and Hines were surprised.

[Will.S]

Misconception:
"In the BWS Weapon X series, the Weapon X staff was surprised when Logan first popped his adamantium claws. Therefore, this must mean that they didn't know about him having bone claws and that the adamantium accidentally bonded to his bone claws."

Truth:
The Weapon X staff's surprise was meant to imply that the shadow benefactor behind the entire Weapon X project had decided to implant the claws without the staff's knowledge. (I may be misremembering, but wasn't the Professor unfazed--satisfied, even--by the sight of the claws, as if he was the only one who knew about them?) It seems most likely to me that the mysterious benefactor knew of the claws and Logan's mutant status before sending him to the Weapon X facility. If you notice, Wolverine has memories/nightmares of claws coming out of his hand before being abducted and the medical staff was brought in pretty cold.

As for the Professor, rwsmith pointed it out previously but he was just as surprised about the claws and didn't even know that Logan was a mutant prior to the claw reveal. He looked pleasantly surprised because of what he had seen after Wolverine killed the lab kid (who he told to go in there and lock the door) and the weapon that they had just finalized having extra talents that benefitted them. Put into context with Origins, neither Apocalypse nor Sublime had any involvement with Logan in those early years. There's also the main bone claw reveal of Mags ripping out the adamantium so it further cements how much the bone claws make sense.

People who were already familiar with the bone claw retcon before they read the MCP Weapon X series saw the surprise on the faces of the Weapon X staff and assumed it meant bone claws, not taking into consideration BWS's actual intentions or the consensus in the Marvel offices at the time. What were his actual intentions anyway?

Further, it strains credibility beyond reason to think that A) the Weapon X staff wouldn't notice bone claws in endless examinations and X-rays prior to surgery That depends on how much information they were actually given during their analysis and examinations. I would argue that it equally strains credibility that had the claws been bionically implanted, that they would still work the way they do when Magneto stripped away the adamantium. Unless Logan had some sort of secondary mutation, an instant evolutionary change doesn't seem likely to have compensated for the impanted bionics or whatever. It makes more sense for the bone claws to have been there already.

B) the adamantium bonding process is a matter of simply funneling adamantium into the bloodstream and letting it magically bond with whatever bone material it finds without any kind of intentional direction given by the doctors. This seems to be an issue with the bonding proccess itself which we all know involves comic book science. It is what it is, no matter how well implemented BWS had these medical annotations laid out.

Like them if you want to, but the bone claws never made sense.

(Not to mention how they change history to the point that the Weapon X project only improved him, whereas previously it changed him into an instrument of death that hated his own existence. It's traumatic to be experimented on like an animal in either case, but before the retcon, it had lasting effects. But I digress...) The revelation of the bone claws didn't change the fact that he was made into an instrument of death that hated his own existence as you put it. He was still heavily experimented on with the bonding process and was completely violated under the reprogramming. The claws themselves caught him and the Weapon X staff by surprise but with him that can be explained by the constant memory implants (which is being explained in Origins quite nicely).

[PretenderNX01]

The only animals who have "retractable" claws don't house them actually inside themselves. They give that appereance because of fur, but like a lions claws don't break through their own skin to be used. As well as the fact that their grown out of meatrial like a finger nail. No animal that I know of pops bones out of its hands or arms to defend itself. Thats hy I don't think they make sense.

Implanting adamantium claws into someone you know will be able to heal from their deployment makes sense. As does the fact that his body continuously heals from trying to "reject" them and the adamantium itself. I believe during the arc whre all the mutans lost their powers Logan suffered from Adamantium poisoning, similar to lead poisoning.

His body isn't capable of ripping metal of of its bones even if it doesn't want metal to be there. If his bones were completly encased in metal theirs not much his body can do about that.

Also aren't there stories of Wolverine meeting with Captain America and him nothaving adamantium or claws? How did he not know about them? Did one of his memory implants prevent him from realizing they were there?

[Joe Acro]

I want to point out that the bone claws, no matter when they come into play, are inherently flawed. Every time I've seen someone draw them they seem broader and rougher than the adamantium claws.

[rwsmith]

That's true. The only one who really drew them looking even remotely sharp was Lenil Yu.

Having said that, I still wouldn't mind if Logan somehow went back to having just the bone claws in the 616. It'd be kind of cool seeing him have to rely on different types of weapons for certain situations IMO.

[gorthon616]

adamantium only for me.

i don't mind the bone any more, although some of the cutting feats with simple bone pushed the limits of my suspension of disbelief.

but the idea that it was done to him- possibly to make him even more a "Wolverine" as had been his codename prior to the program. Besides, how would he have kept them quiet those decades where he was in the military or was a special agent? He never once popped them reflexively? He never had X-rays of his arms- or even a physical for that matter?

i also wasn't terribly thrilled with a lot of the bone claw Wolvie stories.

It would just show up as some bones in his arm. It might be "odd" to have 3 bones in his arm for no apparent reason, but unless if he popped them, I don't really see why anyone would make a big deal about it. As far as not popping the claws, in the origin story it seems like when he popped his claws it was a traumatic experience, so he likely would have not desired to do it again. And having not done it for so many years the claw popping muscles probably were not excercised in that fashion and so much like someone who was bed-ridden for years not being able to walk without practice, much the same with his claws. The actual bonding of the bones with the adamantium makes a good explaination for him re-popping his claws for the first time in years. The body will naturally try to reject foreign objects from it, and therefore when the claws were bonded with adamantium, the body tried to (strongly due to his enhanced healing factor) reject the adamantium. Forcing the claws out for the first time in years.

So yes, I like the bone claws. Though yes, the bone claw years were dumb.

[Joe Acro]

It would just show up as some bones in his arm. It might be "odd" to have 3 bones in his arm for no apparent reason, but unless if he popped them, I don't really see why anyone would make a big deal about it. As far as not popping the claws, in the origin story it seems like when he popped his claws it was a traumatic experience, so he likely would have not desired to do it again. And having not done it for so many years the claw popping muscles probably were not excercised in that fashion and so much like someone who was bed-ridden for years not being able to walk without practice, much the same with his claws. The actual bonding of the bones with the adamantium makes a good explaination for him re-popping his claws for the first time in years. The body will naturally try to reject foreign objects from it, and therefore when the claws were bonded with adamantium, the body tried to (strongly due to his enhanced healing factor) reject the adamantium. Forcing the claws out for the first time in years.

So yes, I like the bone claws. Though yes, the bone claw years were dumb.
But how do you explain how his claws looking very different when the adamantium was bonded to them?

[Novaya Havoc]

My take:

Either Wolverine should have bone claws.

Or he should have adamantium claws.

I get tired of characters having this super-huge array of powers without any type of trade off (Examples of this: Sage. Contrast? See Dazzler: huge array of possibilities, but contingent on the sound she can absorb).

Bone claws look cool. Adamantium claws look cool. Adamantium claws are better.

If Wolverine is going to have a super-awesome healing factor, hyperkeen senses, and sharp bone claws, fine by me.

If Wolverine is going to have a super-awesome healing factor, hyperkeen senses, and an adamantium skeletion with extra claw-deposits, fine by me. As mentioned before, they're a "reminder" of what he went through in Weapon X.

Wolverine with dangerous "bone claws" in his natural state, enhanced by indestructable metal and skeleton, with hyperkeen senses and super-awesome healing factor = sensory overload.

Since the adamantium was first, I picked that one. I don't like it when Wolverine gets to play for both teams.

[Alan2099]

But how do you explain how his claws looking very different when the adamantium was bonded to them?
I explain that the same way I explain why Wolverine sometimes have three foot long claws with pointed edges and sometimes he has foot long claws with more curved edges, or how sometimes he manages to be about the same size as everyone else when he's only about 5 foot 3.

[Joe Acro]

I explain that the same way I explain why Wolverine sometimes have three foot long claws with pointed edges and sometimes he has foot long claws with more curved edges, or how sometimes he manages to be about the same size as everyone else when he's only about 5 foot 3.
Malformed clones?

[rwsmith]

My take:

Either Wolverine should have bone claws.

Or he should have adamantium claws.

I get tired of characters having this super-huge array of powers without any type of trade off (Examples of this: Sage. Contrast? See Dazzler: huge array of possibilities, but contingent on the sound she can absorb).

Bone claws look cool. Adamantium claws look cool. Adamantium claws are better.

If Wolverine is going to have a super-awesome healing factor, hyperkeen senses, and sharp bone claws, fine by me.

If Wolverine is going to have a super-awesome healing factor, hyperkeen senses, and an adamantium skeletion with extra claw-deposits, fine by me. As mentioned before, they're a "reminder" of what he went through in Weapon X.

Wolverine with dangerous "bone claws" in his natural state, enhanced by indestructable metal and skeleton, with hyperkeen senses and super-awesome healing factor = sensory overload.

Since the adamantium was first, I picked that one. I don't like it when Wolverine gets to play for both teams.

:confused:

That post just gave me a headache. So you're basically saying that you have no problem with Wolverine having bone claws, and you have no problem with him having adamantium claws, but you do have a problem with his claws being bone that's been laced with adamantium.

That's certainly a...unique...position.

[-S-Man-]

Cold Steel...or adamantium, whichever!

It looks better and has more potential except the kill Magneto function :p Don't get me wrong, I still like the natural bone claws and the raw power that it implies but the adamantium is just more intimidating to apponents.

[kel25]

I’ve always had a real problem with the bone claws and this is why. When he has the adam claws they are as thin as knives but the bone claws tend to be thicker than his finger. So why is it that when they get coated they get thinner?!:confused: