Uncanny X-Men #479 - Spoilers and discussion

[CaptainCanada]

Previously on Uncanny X-Men: Professor X hybridized X-Factor (II) and Excalibur and set off into space to prevent Vulcan from destroying the Shi'Ar. The Shi'Ar Vice-Chancellor stroked his goatee evilly and struck a deal with a convict to kill Rachel. The X-Men took on two passengers, who, in the grand tradition of Star Trek alien guests, plot against their benefactors.

This:

Korvus and Vice-Chancellor K'Tor strike a deal, where he will kill Rachel and then get his freedom. While K'Tor indulges in some evil goatee stroking, Korvus draws the Blade of the Phoenix (which actually looks more like a paddle), and monologues that his descendant Rook'Shir, who became the Phoenix, left a tiny piece of the Force in his blade after he was taken down by the first iteration of the Imperial Guard (lead by someone of the same race as Gladiator, but I assume it's not supposed to be him, since the flashback is to several hundred years earlier). K'Tor notes that a microchip in Korvus' head will kill him before he harms any Shi'Ar.

Several weeks later, the X-Men continue their quest around the perimeter of Shi'Ar space. Warpath opines that this is very dull, as he's had nothing to do but stare at the passing stars, and train Darwin. Nightcrawler finds it all very spiritual. Warpath disagrees, saying he's forgotten the smell of grass, and needs to feel the land again. Nightcrawler suggests that Rachel could mentally simulate that, but Warpath dismisses this, saying it's not the same.

Speaking of Rachel, she's annoyed that the Professor insists on continued telepathic sessions. I think we're meant to assume that Xavier really misses his telepathy. Rachel then says that the brand left by the Shi'Ar has been burning for the last two days, and she thinks they are being tracked. Professor X is understandably not happy about this.

Korvus uses his little craft to dock with the X-Men's ship, his stealth technology keeping him invisible until he makes physical contact with the ship.

Darwin isn't interested int any combat training today, and says he wishes he had been brought on this mission because of his powers, not because he was trapped in Vulcan's mind for a few days. Watching Vulcan go insane, he says, was the worst experience of his life. Warpath understands. Just then, their two Shi'Ar guest wander by, not at all suspiciously. Warpath and Darwin agree that they are up to something, but they can't imagine what, since there's no way they'd be a match for the X-Men. Just then, the ship's security alert activates; Warpath draws his knives, and races to the docking area, sending Darwin to follow the two Shi'Ar.

Warpath is joined by Nightcrawler, Polaris, and Havok. Polaris guesses that the two Shi'Ar sabotaged them; whereupon, they run into Korvus and the Phoenix Blade; Warpath coments that the Blade is really big. Korvus insists that he has no interest in fighting them, he just has to kill Rachel. So, of course, the X-Men courteously step aside and let him through...oh, not, they fight. Warpath gets whacked by the Blade first, to his considerable pain, and Korvus announces that The Blade cannot be beaten.

Okay, reckons Polaris, then I'll just take the Blade. No, that doesn work; two down for the count. Havok and Nightcrawler initiate Plan 9 (In Outer Space:D ), but first Havok then Nightcrawler are knocked out. Korvus, in full Tragic Villain mode, curses that he didn't want any of this.

Professor X, trying to communicate with the others, finds him arrested by his two passengers. D'oh!

Korvus finds Rachel, and a big fight breaks out. Rachel is unimpressed with the Shi'Ar sending only one man this time. The Blade is linked to Rachel, and appears to have some kind of "telepathic edge" to it, as well as the literal edge. Standing over her, he prepares to cleave her in two, when she grabs the blade with her hands, triggering an awesome two-page spread. Rachel and Korvus' thoughts become linked by the Blade, and they see that they've each had a pretty crappy life, between the imprisonment, use as weapons against innocents, and familial death. All of a sudden, Korvus withdraws the Blade, saying something is wrong with it. Indeed, Rachel's back tattoo and eye-emblem-thingy are both glowing the same pale blue of the Blade, and she says that the Phoenix Force in the Blade likes her. She then telepathically disables the implant in Korvus' head, and they decide that War Is Not The Solution. Aww.

Oops, Korvus' ship is leaving. Korvus doesn't know how this is possible, but Rachel guesses pretty quickly. The two Shi'Ar are gone, with Professor X in their custody.

But, awesomely, Darwin is hanging onto the back of the escaping ship, looking pretty pissed.

Next Month on Uncanny X-Men: Vulcan vs. Gladiator, Smasher, Starbolt, and Pulsar.
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Another very good issue, with some great art. As you can see, it's mostly Rachel's show this week, although I'm glad that the Phoenix Force here doesn't dominate the story. It's more of a story device, although Rachel looks to have gotten a bit of boost.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Loved the issue, but Rachel looks completely creepy.

[Cayman]

It was a pretty good issue. I liked the storyline quite a bit, and I loved Darwin's part at the end.

I wish Tan was a little more exciting artist. The battle scene at the end didn't seem to have any motion to it from what I could see.

[Madrox84]

Sounds like a fun issue. I'll pick up a copy tomorrow.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I loved the visual of Rachel blasting Korvus. It looked like a min nuclear explosion, mushroom cloud. It was awesome.

[Beast]

It was a pretty good issue. The Phoenix thing got a bit more complicated with this issue. Though it doesn't contradict canon at all. It's nice to see that both Rachel and Korvus have shared the same pain in their lives from having been touched by the Phoenix. Now that they're on the same side, can't wait to see them take down the Shi'ar Chancellor. To hell with Rachel/Warpath, Rachel/Korvus is a much better couple. :D

[kate-pryde]

I love Warpath's line "That may work for Scott and Emma, but it's not the same... not for me." ROTFL

Excellent issue. I'm starting to like Korvus, but I'm not sure I want Ray/Korvus.

I agree with ibrakeforchinwe that Ray's looking rather creepy. Some panels are better than Tan's drawn her so far in this arc, and other times she's back to Dino-Rachel. But he did a fair job on Hound Rachel.

[Slumber Hulk]

Another solid part of the tale. I'm looking forward to Vulcan vs. the Imperial Guard! I really like Korvus and his I-wish-I-had-a-sword-like-Cloud sword! I'm hoping he'll come back to Earth and pick a fight with Shatterstar! There can be only one!

[Frodo-X]

*applauds Slumber Hulk*

It takes talent to work a Final Fantasy XII and a Highlander reference into a discussion about Uncanny X-men.

Bravo.

[streator]

sounds like a good issue. i'm a few issues behind still but i look forward to reading 479 when the time comes.

[Tilt]

I loved this issue, thought Rachel looked the best Tan has done yet. She really looked great in the pages with the Prof, those were my favorite.

Warpath is just freakin cool, and yeah his line about Scott and Emma was sweet!!!:D I guess the whole mansion knows the dirty details!

[Volk1]

Me want Phoenix blade!!!! I'd totally kick ass with that blade.

Korvus and Rachel are going to get married. And Rachel stays in space. (?)

Warpath and Kurt are cool buddies. It's like Jimmy has replaced Logan for everything.

Check out Darwin at the end. What a warrior!!! That guy is money.:)

[rilokyle]

It was a pretty decent issue, although not nearly enough Lorna and Alex for my standards. At least they each had their own moment I suppose, but still.

I still don't know how I feel about Tan's pencils. The characters look a little...... stiff in my opinion. It's not awful, but I feel like it could be a little better.

[caney]

It was a pretty decent issue, although not nearly enough Lorna and Alex for my standards. At least they each had their own moment I suppose, but still.

I still don't know how I feel about Tan's pencils. The characters look a little...... stiff in my opinion. It's not awful, but I feel like it could be a little better.

I agree. I liked the issue, but something is just a little off with the art. They all look like statues to me. It might have something to do with the coloring, but I'm not quite sure.

[Armless Penguin]

I agree. I liked the issue, but something is just a little off with the art. They all look like statues to me. It might have something to do with the coloring, but I'm not quite sure.

Rachel is drawn the worst out of the lot. Warpath, for instance, looks pretty cool most of the time.

This issue was quite enjoyable, for the most part. The ending seemed a tad rushed after the build up of the first half, but maybe that was just me.

Korvus, though, is the man.

[gorthon616]

Wow. That sounds pretty cool. I need to pick up the back-issues to this...

[Omega Alpha]

Perhaps the best issue of this story so far, even though Billy Tan's art fails to impress me. Korvus is a cool character, and Warpath it's still working very well as a badass. And i loved the Scott and Emma line:)

[Brian M.]

I gotta wait till Friday to get paid to get my issues. What Scott/Emma line?

[Michael P]

The similarity to Cloud has got to be intentional; I'm guessing either Tan or Brubaker is a big Final Fantasy fan. This is clearest at the top of page 21, where Korvus is standing in Cloud's victory pose from the game. He's even got Cloud hair.

Also, colorist Frank D'Armata dedicated the issue to his late cat, Tortillini. My condolences; I know how hard losing a pet can be.

All in all, my only complaint is that we have to wait two months to see Darwin kick some ass.

[Michael P]

I gotta wait till Friday to get paid to get my issues. What Scott/Emma line?
When Nightcrawler suggests that Rachel could telepathically simulate being home for Warpath, James remarks that that may work for Scott and Emma, but not him.

[Beast]

The similarity to Cloud has got to be intentional; I'm guessing either Tan or Brubaker is a big Final Fantasy fan. This is clearest at the top of page 21, where Korvus is standing in Cloud's victory pose from the game. He's even got Cloud hair.

Also, colorist Frank D'Armata dedicated the issue to his late cat, Tortillini. My condolences; I know how hard losing a pet can be.

All in all, my only complaint is that we have to wait two months to see Darwin kick some ass.
It wouldn't surprise me. It's cool when comic writers do twists on stuff they're fans of. CC and his artists used to do that stuff all the time, and it's cool to see Brubaker or Tan continuing the tradition in Uncanny. :)

[Faded]

Hmmm...despite the odd plot, people seem to be enjoying this so I might give Uncanny a try (though I most likely won't pick up next issue's Vulcan-centric issue).

From what I've seen online, Tan's Rachel seems to be pretty good--probably one of his stronger characters IMO (though I'm not a fan, what do I know?).

[TheLizard207]

Tan draws a amazing Nightcrawler.

Great issue.

[twoheads]

Korvus and Rachel are going to get married. And Rachel stays in space. (?)

Oh good lord, no! They'd just procreate, and do we really need another super-powered grey/summers/phoenix baby running around?

[twoheads]

Hmmm...despite the odd plot, people seem to be enjoying this so I might give Uncanny a try (though I most likely won't pick up next issue's Vulcan-centric issue).

I'd say that it's because of the odd plot, not despite it.

Are you sure you just don't hate Vulcan because he's a Summers? He's actually a pretty interesting character. Having said that I'm not sure what the point was of making him a Summers. Everything they've done with the character could have been accomplished even if he was just 'some dude.'

[Flameworthy]

From what I've seen online, Tan's Rachel seems to be pretty good--probably one of his stronger characters IMO (though I'm not a fan, what do I know?).

I love his Polaris! He makes her look so gorgeous. As opposed to Larroca's Polaris, who looked like she hadn't washed her hair in over a month.

[Beast]

I'd say that it's because of the odd plot, not despite it.

Are you sure you just don't hate Vulcan because he's a Summers? He's actually a pretty interesting character. Having said that I'm not sure what the point was of making him a Summers. Everything they've done with the character could have been accomplished even if he was just 'some dude.'
Well, I have Vulcan because of the huge clusterfuge of a retcon that Deadly Genesis made of Giant Size X-Men #1. And not to mention that so far he's just a one-dimensional angry and whiny character. He's like Extreme Anakin Skywalker right now. There's really nothing actually interesting about him so far.

[Faded]

I love his Polaris! He makes her look so gorgeous. As opposed to Larroca's Polaris, who looked like she hadn't washed her hair in over a month.

His Polaris is hit and miss. If she isn't egg headed, she looks gorgeous. ;)

Larocca's was really bad though, I agree. She looked so...blarghrof.

I'd say that it's because of the odd plot, not despite it.

Are you sure you just don't hate Vulcan because he's a Summers? He's actually a pretty interesting character. Having said that I'm not sure what the point was of making him a Summers. Everything they've done with the character could have been accomplished even if he was just 'some dude.'

Honestly, I'd rather not read about the X-Men in Space and more additions to the Phoenix, but there seems to be a lot of positive reviews. Well...at least Volk1 liked it and my tastes are pretty similiar to his. :)

And no, I don't hate Vulcan because he's a Summers. I mean, I accept him TEN BILLION times more than Cable, X-Man, or Rachel. I even loved him until the later parts of Deadly Genesis. But as Beast mentioned, he's just been this unstoppably uber powerful character (strike one) with a complex that is understandable but just not interesting (strike two). I would've liked it much more if he was 'some dude' as I thought the Third Summers Brother idea was the worst "plot" of plots that just wouldn't die. He still has promise but the two strikes against him are biggies in my book.

[lightning]

Darwin is rapidly climbing the ranks of awesomeness. Of course, you *knew* he was going to do something as soon as he said that he wished he could help out in someway beyond being Vulcan's friend. I imagine he'll end up going all Die Hard trying to bail out Xavier from wherever they're taking him.

[CaptainCanada]

I imagine he'll end up going all Die Hard trying to bail out Xavier from wherever they're taking him.
"Okay, Shi'Ar, you had your shot. Now it's my turn."

[CE_Rap]

The similarity to Cloud has got to be intentional; I'm guessing either Tan or Brubaker is a big Final Fantasy fan. This is clearest at the top of page 21, where Korvus is standing in Cloud's victory pose from the game. He's even got Cloud hair.


That was so obvious/hilarious that my head started spinning and i spewed pea soup:eek:

I peg him him for a Zack look-a-like, not Cloud. His hair, outfit, all that---it's a CARBON COPY of Zack. It was originally Zack's sword that Cloud took anyway. (Yes, I've played that game entirely too much:D )


The issue was pretty good. I agree with everyone who is more interested in Phoenix than Vulcan. After reading this issue, i am too. Vulcan really is hard to get into. And even though i dread having to deal with the retcons and the puzzle factory of Phoenix history---i do enjoy Rachel. I really don't see her as a Jean stand in. Emma fits that role more IMO, what with headmistress/Scott's chik--blahblahblah. Rachel does have her own personality and it reads well to me, so i like her.

The thing with Tan, he is horribly inconsistent at times. Choose a character, then only look at them through out the entire book. The heads will all look different when you look carefully. The same is true with the bodies sometimes.

Warpath continues to be teh scrapper. He knows his place, clearly.

Darwin's about to get activated in the next issue, so that will be interesting.

RAchel and Korvus is cool. I like their link and hope to see it more explored. (??I'm wondering if her new *blue* eye means a new outfit in later issues??)

Also hoping to see a clear image of what exactly Polaris can do with her powers.

All in all, i liked it. And while i'm not nuts about Vulcan, I'm interested to see his fight with the Imperial Guard.

[twoheads]

Well, I have Vulcan because of the huge clusterfuge of a retcon that Deadly Genesis made of Giant Size X-Men #1. And not to mention that so far he's just a one-dimensional angry and whiny character. He's like Extreme Anakin Skywalker right now. There's really nothing actually interesting about him so far.

I hadn't made the Anakin connection, but it is fairly obvious now that I think about it. Still, I think one of the reasons that he seems so one-dimensional is that he really hasn't been 'onscreen' for that much of the arch so far. Even in his issue he was mostly just having an inner monolouge until the end of the issue, and even then he was issuing orders more than doing anything that would involve character development or depth. I think the backstory is pretty good stuff, retcons and all, that is just hindered by the fact that they decided to make him a Summers.

I mean, this is by FAR my favorite X-men story in years, so they have to be doing something right.

[twoheads]

Honestly, I'd rather not read about the X-Men in Space and more additions to the Phoenix, but there seems to be a lot of positive reviews. Well...at least Volk1 liked it and my tastes are pretty similiar to his. :)

And no, I don't hate Vulcan because he's a Summers. I mean, I accept him TEN BILLION times more than Cable, X-Man, or Rachel. I even loved him until the later parts of Deadly Genesis. But as Beast mentioned, he's just been this unstoppably uber powerful character (strike one) with a complex that is understandable but just not interesting (strike two). I would've liked it much more if he was 'some dude' as I thought the Third Summers Brother idea was the worst "plot" of plots that just wouldn't die. He still has promise but the two strikes against him are biggies in my book.

Fair enough, I guess we just have to disagree. I like the X-men in space thing, although I could give or take the Phoenix stuff. I'm pretty happy with anything that gets them away from the mansion and the usual cast of characters for any extended period of time.

[Christopher O]

Honestly, I'd rather not read about the X-Men in Space and more additions to the Phoenix, but there seems to be a lot of positive reviews. Well...at least Volk1 liked it and my tastes are pretty similiar to his. :)
Look at it this way: if they're out in space, then they aren't on Earth being all redundant, since we have like six X-teams.

[R Krippler]

At first I did't know if I would be able to read a 12 issue arc but the way it is written its not bad at all. Every month I look forward to this book. Be it about Vulcan or Darwin. I can't wait to see Darwin go on the offensive.

[d newton]

But as Beast mentioned, he's just been this unstoppably uber powerful character (strike one) with a complex that is understandable but just not interesting (strike two).
And killed a long time member for no apparent reason (strike three). :mad:

[kate-pryde]

(??I'm wondering if her new *blue* eye means a new outfit in later issues??)

Yes! I'd love to see Rachel and the rest of the X-Men don clothing more suitable for space travel. Maybe something sort of Firefly or Star Wars-ish.


Rachel is drawn the worst out of the lot.


What I don't get is Billy Tan was pretty good at drawing Rachel during Wand'ring Star. Some panels were a little off, but overall he did a pretty good job, although it seemed like he was basing his character design off of the way Chris Bachalo drew Ray, and Bachalo draws all women like they're 14 years old.

For example, here's a comparison of Dino Rachel (drawn by Alan Davis) and Billy Tan's Rachel from this arc and Wand'ring:

http://i9.tinypic.com/3ymf5ub.jpg


The one from Wand'ring Star is so much better. Maybe it's just the inking and coloring.

[Frodo-X]

Darwin's about to get activated in the next issue, so that will be interesting.


Actually I believe the next issue will be another episode of the Vulcan show, so you'll have to wait for December's #481 to see Darwin in action.

[Cerridwen]

Yes! I'd love to see Rachel and the rest of the X-Men don clothing more suitable for space travel. Maybe something sort of Firefly or Star Wars-ish.





What I don't get is Billy Tan was pretty good at drawing Rachel during Wand'ring Star. Some panels were a little off, but overall he did a pretty good job, although it seemed like he was basing his character design off of the way Chris Bachalo drew Ray, and Bachalo draws all women like they're 14 years old.

For example, here's a comparison of Dino Rachel (drawn by Alan Davis) and Billy Tan's Rachel from this arc and Wand'ring:

http://i9.tinypic.com/3ymf5ub.jpg


The one from Wand'ring Star is so much better. Maybe it's just the inking and coloring.

IMO thats the only good shot of ray in the wandring arc and her only good shot drawn by Tan ever LOL. Uncanny needs a better artist, maybe Clayton Henry or Andy Park.

[Syzygy]

I'm emjoying the story so far. It doesn't suck.

I like Billy Tan's art. Sorry so many of you don't.

I think the giant sword is about as hideous as Bishop's and Cable's giant 90's guns and shoulder pads. I could easily do without ridiculously oversized props.

With my first glace at the cover, I thought that thing was a giant, electric-blue, laser-tongue. Turns out I'm wrong, though...or will the real laser-tongue be making an appearance later on?

One serious gripe, though. Shouldn't those Shi'ar guys have been put in the brig? I mean, come on...any one of us, were we abord that ship, would have said, "Guys, when something goes wrong--and it will--these non-powered Shi'ar fellows are going to cause us trouble. So let's lock them away now."

This means that every one of us is smarter than every one of the space-faring X-Team!

Peace,
Syzygy

[Daithi]

I enjoyed this issue. I'm slightly concerned as to where Brubaker is taking Rachel and the Phoenix though. Hopefully away from the Marvel Girl identity though. Either she's Phoenix or not. Alan Davis had Rachel as the Phoenix with limited Phoenix access too.

Loved the two page splash. I wonder if Brubaker's a Buffy fan considering the sword scene is straight out of "Becoming".

Couple of issues. The Shi'ar Deathmark actually tells Rachel actually lights up when she's being tracked? Man the Shi'ar are dumb.

The X-Men don't trust the Shi'ar crewmen but let them wander around and direct them through space? Man the X-Men are dumb.

Love Darwin. Curious to see what happens to Xavier.

[Michael P]

The X-Men don't trust the Shi'ar crewmen but let them wander around and direct them through space? Man the X-Men are dumb.
If the X-Men were to confine the Shi'ar passengers against their will on the basis of no more evidence than "all those people are untrustworthy," they'd be flaming hypocrites.

As for using them as guides, well, how else are they going to get where they're going? Was Frodo "dumb" for using Gollum for pretty much the same purpose?

[Daithi]

If the X-Men were to confine the Shi'ar passengers against their will on the basis of no more evidence than "all those people are untrustworthy," they'd be flaming hypocrites.


On the basis that the X-Team has Xavier and Rachel. Two people not well liked by the Shi'ar. It's supposed to be a clandestine operation into Shi'ar space. Nevermind that the X-Men actually saved the Shi'ar crewmen from that space station. It would be hardly "holding them against their will".


As for using them as guides, well, how else are they going to get where they're going? Was Frodo "dumb" for using Gollum for pretty much the same purpose?

Huh? They could have gotten all the information they need from the Shi'ar then tell them that "you're confined to areas x,y and z. If we see you anywhere else you'll be escorted back to your quarters." the net result would have been the same in this issue.

For a better analogy. Your military ship picks up two people lost at sea. Does that mean the survivors should have free reign of the ship? Or would they be confined to quarters?

[Arilou]

I thought the faces felt decidedly.... Off in this issue. It wasn't as bad before, but in some panels Charles looked like nothing human and Rachel like.... Something horrible.

[Michael P]

On the basis that the X-Team has Xavier and Rachel.

One of whom no longer has powers, and the other of whom can't get through their anti-psi techniques.

Two people not well liked by the Shi'ar.

"Because they don't like us, we should lock them up." Great, now you've equated them with Magneto.

It's supposed to be a clandestine operation into Shi'ar space. Nevermind that the X-Men actually saved the Shi'ar crewmen from that space station. It would be hardly "holding them against their will".Tossing someone in the brig generally does meet that definition.

The X-Men are about tolerance, about not judging people just because they're different. Locking up the Shi'Ar just because they're Shi'Ar would be hypocritical. They're not dumb, they're principled.

Huh? They could have gotten all the information they need from the Shi'ar then tell them that "you're confined to areas x,y and z. If we see you anywhere else you'll be escorted back to your quarters." the net result would have been the same in this issue.

Of course, the same could be said for Xavier's kidnapping. Regardless of those restrictions, they'd still have done exactly what they did.

For a better analogy. Your military ship picks up two people lost at sea. Does that mean the survivors should have free reign of the ship? Or would they be confined to quarters?One, it's "free rein." Two, passengers generally aren't confined to quarters, they're just not allowed where all the sensitive equipment is.

[rwsmith]

I really enjoyed this issue a lot more than I thought I would. I think the whole subplot of Rachel stealing some of the Phoenix from the blade was pretty well-handled, actually, and I'm hoping that by the end of this arc that Korvus will be killed and Rachel will start wielding that "big, honkin' sword" herself. If for no other reason that I think it would look cool visually.

[tunasammiches]

I totally love this story arc. I'm not a big space fan, nor am I a Shi'ar fan, but the characterizations are great. I love Warpath's kinda aloof apatheticness when Darwin's whining about being in Vulcan's head and James's only response is "Yeah, that sucks".

I personally like Tan's work. He's not the strongest artist out there but he's actually really awesome with backgrounds and his figure work, clearly, is loosening up waaaay more than his previous stuff. I can totally see him developing in each issue. Like in the last ish, his backgrounds and shadowing were amazing. This issue his Korvis facial expressions were bad-ass. Rachel has gotten a lot better looking too in my opinion. Her hair's more organic looking in movement, her facial expressions aren't so dough-y and that panel with her lying on the floor with the tattoo brand exposed and korvis walking toward her in the background was pretty dynamic. I kinda just hate how flat he draws Nightcrawler's hair. And Warpath too. Get some volumizer in that hair. Kurt's hair is supposed to be more wavy and curly, but here he looks constantly wet. And he needs to work more on Xavier and Darwin. I think he has trouble drawing bald people. Other than that, he rocks.

A comment to Mr. Brubaker: I was kinda rooting for a Rachel/ Warpath relationship. I'm not liking where this Korvis thing is going. Getting involved with the Sh'iar usually means Phoenix-related stuff and an X-Character choosing to live in space. I'm afraid of her choosing not to come back to earth now and not being part of an X-Team. At least with Warpath she was much more rooted to the mutant world. In most of Rachel's time in the comic books she's always fighting cosmis entities, or magical beings or something silly alien and it kinda sucks. I hardly ever get to see her taking on relevant bad guys like the Brotherhood or Magneto or Mr. Sinister. And I was happy that she was being distanced from the Phoenix thing and finally being allowed to grow into her character. I prefer her when she's not handicapped by the Phoenix Force.

Plus, James has cool powers and is hotter.

[Daithi]

One of whom no longer has powers, and the other of whom can't get through their anti-psi techniques.


It's nothing to do with their powers. It's because of who they are.


"Because they don't like us, we should lock them up." Great, now you've equated them with Magneto.
Tossing someone in the brig generally does meet that definition.

The X-Men are about tolerance, about not judging people just because they're different. Locking up the Shi'Ar just because they're Shi'Ar would be hypocritical. They're not dumb, they're principled.


What? When did I say they should be locked up? I said they shouldn't have been allowed to wander all over the ship. I didn't say they should be confined to a brig.


Of course, the same could be said for Xavier's kidnapping. Regardless of those restrictions, they'd still have done exactly what they did.


Only the X-Men wouldn't look half as dumb.


One, it's "free rein." Two, passengers generally aren't confined to quarters, they're just not allowed where all the sensitive equipment is.

Which is exactly what I said. Limit their access. I never said they should confined to a brig. I even said "then tell them that "you're confined to areas x,y and z. If we see you anywhere else you'll be escorted back to your quarters."

Your spelling's great. You just need to work on your reading.

[tunasammiches]

I really enjoyed this issue a lot more than I thought I would. I think the whole subplot of Rachel stealing some of the Phoenix from the blade was pretty well-handled, actually, and I'm hoping that by the end of this arc that Korvus will be killed and Rachel will start wielding that "big, honkin' sword" herself. If for no other reason that I think it would look cool visually.

I think she wants to wield HIS big honkin' sword herself, if you know what i mean...

ok that was lame of me, sorry.

[Bobster777]

Great issue. I'm just falling in love with Tan's art. I wish they would use it for the Vulcan storyline.

[rwsmith]

I think she wants to wield HIS big honkin' sword herself, if you know what i mean...

ok that was lame of me, sorry.

I'm kind of rooting for a Rachel/Warpath hook-up myself.

[We R. Venom]

This was a good read. It flowed nicely i think. Especially with the lack of Havok and Polaris. But maybe they will get there time soon, im sure itll be...interesting, or something. All these characters seem to be workign well for Bru so far, cant wait to see what happens next.

[Daithi]

I'm kind of rooting for a Rachel/Warpath hook-up myself.

Me too. I liked it when he picked her up in one arm.

[tunasammiches]

Me too. I liked it when he picked her up in one arm.

ME TOO! See Mr. Bru? People want to see Ray and James hook up. Not Ray and some unknown-yet-potentially-cool-alien-character. But it's pretty obvious to see where you're going with the Ray/Korvis thing, especially with that blatant set up this issue of "You saved me when I tried to kill you; We're so alike..." flutter flutter.

Oh well. Guess I'll just go cry in a corner now.

*why god? why can't i ever get what i want for christmas???* :(

[rwsmith]

And, Daithi, you'll be happy to know that I even liked Rachel in this one too. The flashback/mind-link sequence with Korvus really high-lighted the differences between her and Jean for me. Rachel seems to have been through a lot more than Jean, at least IMO.

I just wonder how all three X-men teams are going co-exist once this one returns to Earth?

I'd actually like to see the Astonishing team disband if Marvel doesn't have another superstar creative team lined-up for it. Or, even if they do, just put that superstar team on Ultimate X-men (*cough*Bryan Singer and Steve McNiven*cough*). That way, if people want to read about a more classic line-up with Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Logan, Colossus, etc., they can just pick up Ultimate. Then you could have two X-men teams again (Uncanny and adjectiveless) and the Uncanny one could be the officially sanctioned group while the X-men one is the outlaw, X-Force style group. I've been preaching that for awhile now, but it would be cool IMO.

Cyclops and Emma could still guest-star in both books and New X-men, as they are the headmasters of the school.

Logan would still be in his two books and New Avengers.

Put Beast in Mighty Avengers with his pal Wonder Man.

And have Kitty and Colossus get married and take some time off or something.

It works IMO, and it brings some different X-men to the forefront for awhile.

[tunasammiches]

I just realized that the Uncanny team is comprised of ex-Factor members (Havok and Lorna), ex-Excalibur members (Kurt and Ray), an ex-X-Force member (Warpath) and Professor X rounding off the X-Men portion. I always had gripes about how X-Force and Excalibur never crossed paths. All they need now is someone from Gen-X and it'd be a complete set of X-books. I think they shoulda put Jubilee in this book. Or Chamber.

Well played Mr. Bru. Well played.

[Daithi]

ME TOO! See Mr. Bru? People want to see Ray and James hook up. Not Ray and some unknown-yet-potentially-cool-alien-character. But it's pretty obvious to see where you're going with the Ray/Korvis thing, especially with that blatant set up this issue of "You saved me when I tried to kill you; We're so alike..." flutter flutter.


Well most (all?) of Rachel's boyfriends wind up dead sooner or later. So maybe Korvus dies too leaving the way for Ray and James.

RWSmith. Yep Ray's being through a lot. Sometimes it's insanely convoluted but her hound past has also been a fave of mine. Also just to note that when Rachel was a hound she tracked down her Havok for the Government.

See Mr Brubaker, more Hound Rachel! Let her beat Warpath in tracking down someone!

[Syzygy]

"Because they don't like us, we should lock them up." Great, now you've equated them with Magneto.

This is what's called a "false analogy". That the X-Team takes appropriate measures for their security doesn't equate them with a mass-murdering megalomaniac.


The X-Men are about tolerance, about not judging people just because they're different. Locking up the Shi'Ar just because they're Shi'Ar would be hypocritical. They're not dumb, they're principled.

They should have locked up (or confined to quarters) the Shi'ar NOT because they're Shi'ar as such, but because they're members of a foreign military whose government has broken off relations with the X-Men. They could easily compromise the mission should they prove hostile to it. Given how Xavier and Lilandra broke up--all that Cassandra Nova stuff--they should know better than to let their guard down.

Tolerance and not judging people based upon their race has nothing to do with it. It's mission security, period. The X-Men have a limited crew on a dangerous mission, and they know things can turn on a dime. And they did.

Peace,
Syzygy

[kate-pryde]

Well most (all?) of Rachel's boyfriends wind up dead sooner or later. So maybe Korvus dies too leaving the way for Ray and James.

RWSmith. Yep Ray's being through a lot. Sometimes it's insanely convoluted but her hound past has also been a fave of mine. Also just to note that when Rachel was a hound she tracked down her Havok for the Government.

See Mr Brubaker, more Hound Rachel! Let her beat Warpath in tracking down someone!

If Ray has to hook up with someone, I'd rather James than Korvus, only because it seems likely that if she hooks up with Korvus, it's more likely Ray stays in space with him at the end of this storyline.

I hope Ray and Alex get panel time together. There's been so little interaction between those two.

With what's been aluded to with Rachel tracking down Havok in her future, I've always thought that might be connected to Ray saying she was forced to kill mutants, including some that she loved. Ray having killed Alex would fit in that situation.

[tunasammiches]

I want more Alex/Ray time too. I know Alex's role is gonna be beefier once he collides with Corsair and Vulcan. So I'm content with him being in the background now. I just hope he doesn't keep getting knocked out in a fight.

But yeah, more Ray/Alex interaction would be great to see.

My predictions:

-Ray's gonna stay in space with Korvis
-Corsair's gonna bite the bullet
-Xavier gets his powers back

[Michael Sean]

If the Shiar had this Blade of the Phoenix that could kill Phoenixes then why didn't they use it on Jean when she first became Dark Phoenix, or when they confronted Jean in New X-Men, or when they wanted to destroy the Phoenix/Jean in Endsong?

Also as I've pointed out in another post, in the original Phoenix/Dark Phoenix sagas the Shiar had never heard of Phoenix until they encountered Jean Grey. Of course originally there had never been a Phoenix avatar until Jean rose from the bay. Anyways, in the Dark Phoenix Saga they eventually liken Dark Phoenix to the chaos bringer in their mythology.

Dark Phoenix is what caused the Shiar to fear the Phoenix.

Another thing, if this Rook'sir or whatever his name was, was a Phoenix then why didn't he return? Jean Grey as Phoenix dies to return, always coming back. Most of the time she instantly resurrects and other times she stays in the White Hot Room to do Phoenix Work and waits to return later (Phoenix Egg).

Thats the problem with them making more and more characters Phoenixes, don't they have to give them the same properties that Jean as Phoenix has?

Or does she have special qualities/properties as a White Phoenix of the Crown or the "prime host" as her official bio says, that others don't have?

Or is it as Phoenix Endsong hinted due to her being One with the Phoenix and others are just "hosts" or "shells"?

I think Rachel will remain Marvel Girl even if she has the "smallest fraction of the Phoenix force" within her now. New X-Men, Endsong, and Warsong hinted that Jean Grey will return as Phoenix.

I don't know why they needed something to go inside Rachel though, they could simply explain her Phoenix connection to being Jean's daughter. Its apart of Jean's mutation and they didn't have to make any external force go inside Jean for her to begin manifesting the Phoenix in New X-Men.

Of course Endsong (which was a mess) did have the Phoenix force go back inside of Jean even though they showed Jean to still be A Phoenix (resurrecting herself, defeating the Phoenix force) while the Phoenix force was outside of her.

I've come to expect that Marvel will always keep the Phoenix mythos a confusing mess even though Claremont did an awesome job of streamlining it in his Classic X-Men backstories (#8,#42#43) and Grant Morrison did an awesome job of streamlining it in recent years (New X-Men #114-#154).

Oh well maybe now Rachel and Jean (when she returns) will both have the Phoenix power. Jean will be the main Phoenix and Rachel will be Marvel Girl, Phoenix-lite.

Then Rachel fans and Jean fans can both be happy and not have to fight over who gets or should have the Phoenix.

[AnthonyJ]

What? When did I say they should be locked up? I said they shouldn't have been allowed to wander all over the ship. I didn't say they should be confined to a brig.
There isn't a lot of margin between locking them up and letting them wander. Sure, you can tell them 'stay out of areas X, Y, and Z', but we don't have any real evidence they didn't; there's no obvious reason they shouldn't be permitted in any of the areas they were in before they went after Xavier, and at that point they no longer cared what they were supposed to do.

In order to effectively limit people's movement, you have only two choices: locked doors, or watchers. There aren't enough X-men on board to effectively monitor their passengers, and the ship doesn't seem really designed to control access (no reason it would be; it's a freighter, as far as I know).

[Daithi]

If the Shiar had this Blade of the Phoenix that could kill Phoenixes then why didn't they use it on Jean when she first became Dark Phoenix, or when they confronted Jean in New X-Men, or when they wanted to destroy the Phoenix/Jean in Endsong?


Well they still need a blood relative to use it. They may not have found one when Jean went Dark Phoenix.


Also as I've pointed out in another post, in the original Phoenix/Dark Phoenix sagas the Shiar had never heard of Phoenix until they encountered Jean Grey.


That's being retconned out as the Phoenix become the embodiment of life and not just powered-up Jean. They also had another name for the Phoenix, "phalkon" I think. So they probably just combined the myths.


Another thing, if this Rook'sir or whatever his name was, was a Phoenix then why didn't he return?

Because the part of the Phoenix that was within him left into that blade.


I don't know why they needed something to go inside Rachel though, they could simply explain her Phoenix connection to being Jean's daughter.


Or the fact that she was a former Phoenix avatar herself. In the first Phoenix series Rachel was able to command the Phoenix to leave her.


Then Rachel fans and Jean fans can both be happy and not have to fight over who gets or should have the Phoenix.

As longs as Rachel is Phoenix Lite and Jean is the main Phoenix I'm sure all the Jean fans will be happy.

There isn't a lot of margin between locking them up and letting them wander. Sure, you can tell them 'stay out of areas X, Y, and Z', but we don't have any real evidence they didn't;


Yes but if the X-Men did do that at least they did something. As it stands, the X-Men were suspicious of the Shi'ar crewmen. Rachel can't read their thoughts prompting Xavier to think they are trained, yet the X-Men don't try to limit their access as futile as it may have been.

[Michael Sean]

Well not having the Phoenix in her didn't stop Jean from resurrecting from the ice after being confirmed mentally dead by Emma and physically dead by Kitty, in Endsong. I guess that was because Jean Grey herself is a Phoenix.

I guess Rook'sir and the Blade were probably "shells" or "hosts" to use Endsong jargon.

I guess the Blade would have to be viewed as simply a "shell".

[Daithi]

I guess Rook'sir and the Blade were probably "shells" or "hosts" to use Endsong jargon. I guess the Blade would have to be viewed as simply a "shell".

To be honest, I don't think those terms are accurate here. It's a Phoenix fragment.

[Beast]

To be honest, I don't think those terms are accurate here. It's a Phoenix fragment.
Which is basically the same thing. An ember/framgment/shard of the Phoenix infused it's self in the blade. First time we've seen that an object can carry a spark of the Phoenix.

[Daithi]

Which is basically the same thing. An ember/framgment/shard of the Phoenix infused it's self in the blade. First time we've seen that an object can carry a spark of the Phoenix.

It's no wonder it's taking Jean so long to find them all. It could be a chair or a rock!

Though the idea that the Phoenix was split into pieces has been around long before Endsong. Excalibur had the Phoenix split first I think.

[bfrank]

If the tiny bit of the Phoenix that was in the blade liked Ray so much that a tiny bit of it left the blade for better parts, what do you think would happen if the blade was around Jean.....

The shi'ar didn't think that one out.....

[xmanson]

The Phoeniz can eat a sun and people want to kill it with a blade... kind stupid, huh?

[ibrakeforchinwe]

The Phoenix can either bestow you with power, Physically go inside you or Both.

In Excalibur 60 something Rachel returned to the team with the Powers of Phoenix, but as she said the Phoenix Force returned to the stars. She still retained its power, but the Force was no longer inside her.

Ever since she came back from the end of time, its obvious she still has some of the Phoenix's power, but is not a host to the force itself. Now, she is a host to the force again. It should boost her powers quite a bit or atlest help her master them.

In Phoenix: Warsong it appears the Phoenix has only bestowed its power upon the Cuckoos, but as Emma said they are not the Phoenix.

The Shi'ar have been killing anyone who is a descendant of a host of the Phoenix. They do not want to kill the Phoenix itself, this time. Thats what they tried in Endsong, here they just want to get rid of Rachel.

It makes sense that only a Phoenix would be able to kill another Phoenix, doesnt it?

[AnthonyJ]

If the Shiar had this Blade of the Phoenix that could kill Phoenixes then why didn't they use it on Jean when she first became Dark Phoenix, or when they confronted Jean in New X-Men, or when they wanted to destroy the Phoenix/Jean in Endsong?
Probably doesn't work on a fully powered Phoenix avatar, only on someone with potential but not much of a link. Didn't work terribly well on Rachel, certainly.

[fishtaco]

The Phoenix can either bestow you with power, Physically go inside you or Both.

In Excalibur 60 something Rachel returned to the team with the Powers of Phoenix, but as she said the Phoenix Force returned to the stars. She still retained its power, but the Force was no longer inside her.

Ever since she came back from the end of time, its obvious she still has some of the Phoenix's power, but is not a host to the force itself. Now, she is a host to the force again. It should boost her powers quite a bit or atlest help her master them.

In Phoenix: Warsong it appears the Phoenix has only bestowed its power upon the Cuckoos, but as Emma said they are not the Phoenix.

The Shi'ar have been killing anyone who is a descendant of a host of the Phoenix. They do not want to kill the Phoenix itself, this time. Thats what they tried in Endsong, here they just want to get rid of Rachel.

It makes sense that only a Phoenix would be able to kill another Phoenix, doesnt it?I thought there is only one Phoenix (at a time)

Wait, what?

[Sheldon]

It makes me sad that silly phoenix stuff is in this storyline....ugh I know that the Shi'ar have some history....but sometimes its nice not having to get into that convoluted mess.

[kate-pryde]

My predictions:

-Ray's gonna stay in space with Korvis
-Corsair's gonna bite the bullet
-Xavier gets his powers back

It seems like everyone is predicting Ray gets stuck in space (AKA goes back to character limbo) by remaining in Shi'Ar space with Korvus, but if that happens, it makes no sense. I can see it happening because X-editors historically have hated Rachel and always came up with some ridiculous reason to write her out. If Ray's dedicated to helping prevent her future from ever happening on Earth, why in the world would she stay in space?


If the tiny bit of the Phoenix that was in the blade liked Ray so much that a tiny bit of it left the blade for better parts, what do you think would happen if the blade was around Jean.....

The shi'ar didn't think that one out.....

I'm wondering if the Shi'Ar Vice Chancellor is either very stupid or has something else up his sleeve. Maybe he thought it was the only thing that could kill her, but giving his enemy something that made her stronger is just plain stupid. There could be more to it, or this could just be a plot device to make Rachel more powerful when she squares off with Vulcan down the road.

[Arilou]

It seems like everyone is predicting Ray gets stuck in space (AKA goes back to character limbo) by remaining in Shi'Ar space with Korvus, but if that happens, it makes no sense. I can see it happening because X-editors historically have hated Rachel and always came up with some ridiculous reason to write her out. If Ray's dedicated to helping prevent her future from ever happening on Earth, why in the world would she stay in space?

Actually I have no problem with her being stuck in space.

She could go hang with Nova, Drax, Thanos, Phyla, Moondragon and all the rest :p

[Michael P]

Why is no one supposing that she and Korvus fall in love, and he comes back to Earth with her?

[Mariah]

Why is no one supposing that she and Korvus fall in love, and he comes back to Earth with her?
Cause it's a crappy idea? idk

[kate-pryde]

Why is no one supposing that she and Korvus fall in love, and he comes back to Earth with her?

Because it seems like the only time that Rachel gets any character development is when writers are trying to come up with a way of writing her out, usually due to some editor telling them to get rid of her.

[SnakeEater]

Im a little peeved right now. Explain to me why exactly they wrote Jean Grey out of X-men but brought her daughter back?? I mean if anything this story would kick more ass with Jean since she did originate the Phoenix Story and all. I like rachel grey but marvel has a thing for making their red heads obsolete and then just turning their stories to crap and im not understand why Rachel and not Jean

[Beast]

Im a little peeved right now. Explain to me why exactly they wrote Jean Grey out of X-men but brought her daughter back?? I mean if anything this story would kick more ass with Jean since she did originate the Phoenix Story and all. I like rachel grey but marvel has a thing for making their red heads obsolete and then just turning their stories to crap and im not understand why Rachel and not Jean
Cause Jean's been dead for several years now. Well, not exactly dead...

And I don't see how it could be more kickass with Jean over Rachel. I prefer Rachel in this storyline.

[Brian M.]

Cause Jean's been dead for several years now. Well, not exactly dead...

And I don't see how it could be more kickass with Jean over Rachel. I prefer Rachel in this storyline.


I think Rachel fits better in this storyline. When Jean becomes Phoenix it's more of a "oh shit something big is about to happen". She's the big gun, she's experienced in how to use the PF. Rachel, it's been said, is very powerful but her finesse is lacking. You could give Rachel the Force and still not make her the Dues Ex.

[Beast]

I think Rachel fits better in this storyline. When Jean becomes Phoenix it's more of a "oh shit something big is about to happen". She's the big gun, she's experienced in how to use the PF. Rachel, it's been said, is very powerful but her finesse is lacking. You could give Rachel the Force and still not make her the Dues Ex.
Exactly. And Jean belongs on Earth, so the Original Five can reform next year. I hope. :D

[kate-pryde]

I wonder if this plotline with Rachel, and what's going on in Warsong with the shards of the Phoenix that are floating around everywhere are all leading to some strange way of bringing Jean back. Sort of like in Harry Potter and Voldemort's horcruxes, but in reverse. So someone (probably Ray) has to find all the pieces to bring Jean back.

[The Lucky One]

Dude... last night I kicked Cloud's ass with nothing but a keyblade, and now the X-Men can't beat him with all their mutant powers? Weak.

-D

[steve2275]

captain kurt

[Affinity]

I think I enjoyed Rachel a LOT this issue. I hope Rook Shir or whatshisname joins the team! Rachel removed the implant!

Still, the book is moving too slow for me. BAM! Let me go read X-Men.

[Faded]

Okay, finally read it.

I gotta give props to the letterer! Go Joe!

I have to say this is just not my type of the story. I didn't like the whole Blade of the Phoenix concept, but that's just me. I will say that I really enjoy Brubaker's dialogue and pacing. I think I'll come back for part 12 or so.

But the biggest shocker is...I liked Rachel during this! :o

As for the art, I think Nightcrawler is Tan's worst character. He often looks flat-faced and sometimes reminds me of Roseanne's DJ. :o

[DDM]

Uncanny X-Men #479 is slightly better than the past few issues; however, I still have major problems with the introduction of the Phoenix sword. The sword really does not make any sense.

Dark Phoenix was the Chaos Bringer of legend, but I don't think she is the chaos bringer. Phoenix became a feared presence after she transformed into Dark Phoenix, consumed D'Bari (wiping out 5 billion lives), & destroyed a Shi'ar warship (killing thousands of innocent Shi'ar) from Uncanny X-Men #135.

Why didn't the Imperial Guard use the Phoenix sword in Uncanny X-Men #137 while Jean Grey only had the powers of Marvel Girl? Instead, Jean Grey becomes Phoenix again, burns herself out, & uses her telekinetic powers to trigger an ancient Kree energy weapon to blow herself to ashes.

The Phoenix sword is just a stupid plot device.

[DDM]

I've come to expect that Marvel will always keep the Phoenix mythos a confusing mess even though Claremont did an awesome job of streamlining it in his Classic X-Men backstories (#8,#42#43) and Grant Morrison did an awesome job of streamlining it in recent years (New X-Men #114-#154).



I don't think the current Marvel editors have read Classic X-Men #8, 13, 24, & Classic X-Men #42-43 about Phoenix. Otherwise, they would not be allowing some of this crap--such as Phoenix Endsong & Phoenix Warsong to be published.

[Volk1]

Honestly, I'd rather not read about the X-Men in Space and more additions to the Phoenix, but there seems to be a lot of positive reviews. Well...at least Volk1 liked it and my tastes are pretty similiar to his. :)

Ha! Like you, I don't really like the X-Men in space. So I look forward to the character interactions and I thought the issue had some good scenes between Jimmy/Kurt (actually Jimmy overall) and Rachel/Korvus.

Plus, Darwin just steals the show whenever he appears. I'm taking each issue as a chance to see how these characters interact with each other (because they're crammed in space and all!). Like someone said, I would like to see more hot Polaris and also Uncle Alex and Rachel.

[Madrox84]

I liked this issue. I'd lie to see Korvus stick about.

But i will say that while i like Tan's art for the most part, he can't draw Kurt. And it is beginning to irk me.

[Mariah]

Uncanny X-Men #479 is slightly better than the past few issues; however, I still have major problems with the introduction of the Phoenix sword. The sword really does not make any sense.

Dark Phoenix was the Chaos Bringer of legend, but I don't think she is the chaos bringer. Phoenix became a feared presence after she transformed into Dark Phoenix, consumed D'Bari (wiping out 5 billion lives), & destroyed a Shi'ar warship (killing thousands of innocent Shi'ar) from Uncanny X-Men #135.

Why didn't the Imperial Guard use the Phoenix sword in Uncanny X-Men #137 while Jean Grey only had the powers of Marvel Girl? Instead, Jean Grey becomes Phoenix again, burns herself out, & uses her telekinetic powers to trigger an ancient Kree energy weapon to blow herself to ashes.

The Phoenix sword is just a stupid plot device.
Because only descendents of Rook'Shir can hold the sword, and since the guy was in prison, and the rest of his family was killed, I'm thinking that's why.

[Madrox84]

Dang, you beat me to it Mariah.

[Mariah]

Dang, you beat me to it Mariah.
That's alright, honey. We can share the glory.

[Madrox84]

That's alright, honey. We can share the glory.

Yay!

*shares in glory*

[The Lucky One]

The Phoenix sword is just a stupid plot device.

Dude, how else are they supposed to beat Sephiroth?

-D

[Daithi]

Dude, how else are they supposed to beat Sephiroth?

-D

With an ancient Kree energy weapon found on the Moon. How else?

[AnthonyJ]

With an ancient Kree energy weapon found on the Moon. How else?
A legitimate point. Does the sword of the phoenix make less sense than there being a random ancient Kree energy weapon sitting on the Moon?

[tunasammiches]

A legitimate point. Does the sword of the phoenix make less sense than there being a random ancient Kree energy weapon sitting on the Moon?

Wurd up. :cool:

[subliminal]

In this case yes. They wanted to pair a huge phallic sword with the equally phallic Phenis Tattoo on Rachel's back... leading to a LOVE connection between the two remaining 'touched by the Phoenix' descendants. Best romance ever, IMHO. Rachel + Korvus 4 evar! Dinos and Birds are related you know...

[tunasammiches]

NO!!! Rachel and James 4-ever! (even though that hasn't happened nor will it probably ever...)

[subliminal]

NEVER!!! What would a child of the stars do with a desert rat? Just because Jean lusted after Logan, doesn't mean that that her daughter would go for any Wolverine-like (two indestructible, extendable blades) character. Think big fiery bird girl and equally tormented bird-guy. Thunderbird and the other XVCIIIXVC variations just don't cut it, IMO.

I wanted the Brubaker touted two page Korvus and Rachel spread to include: Korvus - "Now that's everything, huh? No weapons... No friends...No hope. Take all that away... and what's left?" Rachel - "Me." *Rachel sucking Phoenix sword... energy.*

[DDM]

A legitimate point. Does the sword of the phoenix make less sense than there being a random ancient Kree energy weapon sitting on the Moon?

The Kree energy weapon dates back when the Kree created the Blue Area of the Moon when they were challenged by the Coatati to determine who is the "better" species between the Kree & the Skrulls circa the Kree-Skrull War in The Avengers #89-97. The Skrulls stole one of the Kree ships which set the whole Kree-Skrull war in motion; as a result, the former benelovent Skrulls became more war-like with the war with the Kree.

My point is the Kree energy weapon from Uncanny X-Men #137 makes sense given the Blue Area of the Moon's history.

[Christopher O]

The Kree energy weapon dates back when the Kree created the Blue Area of the Moon when they were challenged by the Coatati to determine who is the "better" species between the Kree & the Skrulls circa the Kree-Skrull War in The Avengers #89-97. The Skrulls stole one of the Kree ships which set the whole Kree-Skrull war in motion; as a result, the former benelovent Skrulls became more war-like with the war with the Kree.

My point is the Kree energy weapon from Uncanny X-Men #137 makes sense given the Blue Area of the Moon's history.
That doesn't make it any less of a plot device.

[subliminal]

How do you advance a story without plot devices? The shi'ar stargates are plot devices, having adversaries and combat are plot devices. It only matters when the plot devices are seemlessly intoduced or not. I don't see any plot holes with the introduction of Korvus or the sword. Brubaker set the history up fairly well and it's adding an interesting twist to Rachel's story... moreso than the 'I over-emoting everything that's occured' characterization that's happened so far. Rachel's got her groove back!

[jarrod]

That doesn't make it any less of a plot device.
But a less contradictory plot device none the less. ;)

The easy loophole obviously being Korvus not being in Shi'ar custody at the time of the DPS or something similar. I tend not to like the notion of "Jeanix possessing blondes/bugs/swords", but since that's where Marvel and Pak evidently want the mythos heading, I don't mind Bru's take. At least, unlike Endsong, it's readable.

[tunasammiches]

Rachel's got her groove back!

Yeah and now she's gonna get her groove ON.

[DDM]

That doesn't make it any less of a plot device.

But Phoenix was burnt out from her fight with the X-Men in a severely weakened state while simultanously she was fighting the dark side of herself when she picked the minds of the Kree & Skrull oberservers to find the Kree energy weapon. Phoenix had to turn on the energy weapon at the right time & hit her perfectly or else she would have fully transformed into Dark Phoenix. It's hardly a deus ex machine as this preposterous Phoenix sword.

[Christopher O]

It's hardly a deus ex machine as this preposterous Phoenix sword.
Are you kidding? It couldn't be anymore Deus Ex Machina. Well, it could be, but it was still a plot device. Besides, the whole thing with the sword took an unexpected turn. Rachel's kryptonite turned out to work in her favor.

[The Lucky One]

Yeah and now she's gonna get her groove ON.

She's one of only two females on a ship full of dudes that's been in space for weeks... you really think she hasn't gotten her groove on already? Now who's being naive?

-D

[Daithi]

She's one of only two females on a ship full of dudes that's been in space for weeks... you really think she hasn't gotten her groove on already? Now who's being naive?


You do know Rachel's the only Phoenix who can wear white don't ya?

[subliminal]

But Phoenix was burnt out from her fight with the X-Men in a severely weakened state while simultanously she was fighting the dark side of herself when she picked the minds of the Kree & Skrull oberservers to find the Kree energy weapon. Phoenix had to turn on the energy weapon at the right time & hit her perfectly or else she would have fully transformed into Dark Phoenix. It's hardly a deus ex machine as this preposterous Phoenix sword.

Huh? I thought the Phoenix absorbed energy... like suns and Scott's sensual eye-beams. She just willing let the Kree energy weapon destroy her rather than re-energize her? Why didn't Jean just discorporate herself with her own telekinesis? Or make Scott blast her to death? It would have been funnier if Jean spontaneously combusted... Stupid Phoenix never dies... consumes herself only to be Reborn! But it's about life and death... the Phoenix is in everything living... rain... galaxies that fade when Galactus tries to discorporate it's avatar. And a big honkin' sword. There must have been residual Phoenix energy in Jean's old hand-me-downs to Rachel... The goggles!

As I said before, the stain of the Phoenix was the connection in this story between Korvus + Rachel = love. The big honkin' sword just emphasized how big the love is.

[Christopher O]

She's one of only two females on a ship full of dudes that's been in space for weeks... you really think she hasn't gotten her groove on already? Now who's being naive?

-D
It's true. If I were her, I'd have used all my abilities (looks, psychic powers) to get Mr. Tall, Dark, and Kick-your-ass to "groove" with me. Just sayin'...

[kate-pryde]

It's true. If I were her, I'd have used all my abilities (looks, psychic powers) to get Mr. Tall, Dark, and Kick-your-ass to "groove" with me. Just sayin'...

This whole conversation has me rethinking that conversation between Kurt and James. Could James find space boring since Ray turned him down?

[subliminal]

James doesn't have much luck with redheads...

[ibrakeforchinwe]

You do know Rachel's the only Phoenix who can wear white don't ya?


Like a virgin....enslaved for the very first time....

[Faded]

James doesn't have much luck with redheads...

He needs to stop chasing the read heads. There's a Cuban/Seminole awaiting ressurection that's got his heart.

[subliminal]

Like a virgin....enslaved for the very first time....
:D

I think it's the end of all that Rachel punching bag stuff... With her newfound white-virginal phoenix energy, there's no way Vulcan can turn off the current in her brain, or misalign her eyes worse than Shannen Doherty, before slamming her into a steel wall. Rachel won't be touched by an uncle anymore... she's touched by the Phoenix.

[DDM]

Huh? I thought the Phoenix absorbed energy... like suns and Scott's sensual eye-beams. She just willing let the Kree energy weapon destroy her rather than re-energize her? Why didn't Jean just discorporate herself with her own telekinesis? Or make Scott blast her to death? It would have been funnier if Jean spontaneously combusted... Stupid Phoenix never dies... consumes herself only to be Reborn! But it's about life and death... the Phoenix is in everything living... rain... galaxies that fade when Galactus tries to discorporate it's avatar. And a big honkin' sword. There must have been residual Phoenix energy in Jean's old hand-me-downs to Rachel... The goggles!

As I said before, the stain of the Phoenix was the connection in this story between Korvus + Rachel = love. The big honkin' sword just emphasized how big the love is.

When Phoenix absorbed energy in Phoenix Endsong, it was a big whopper writer/editor mistake. Why? Cyclops' beams are concussive force, although they are produced by the sun's energy.

Phoenix did not discorporate herself with her telekinesis in Uncanny X-Men #137. The Kree energy weapon atomized her since Phoenix was severely weakened from the fight with her fellow X-Men. Jean's telekinesis turned on the Kree energy cannon & she aimed it at herself. Prior to her death, Phoenix shielded Scott with a telekinetic force bolt.

[Christopher O]

He needs to stop chasing the read heads. There's a Cuban/Seminole awaiting ressurection that's got his heart.
Too bad she's just a meatwad these days. Of course, she got a TV show out of it. ;)

[Red Lotus]

So far this is the best issue of this arc. I'm glad Rachel was getting some spotlight. Her and Warpath are the only one's I like on this lineup. I hope that the Prof role will go down a lot now with him being taken even better yet maybe they will kill the old fool.

[twoheads]

Exactly. And Jean belongs on Earth, so the Original Five can reform next year. I hope. :D

Oh, dude. That is my friggin' nightmare. Haven't those five been used to death yet? Oh well, maybe if they're over in their own book then I won't have to look at them and all those who love them can read about them undisturbed.

[twoheads]

In this case yes. They wanted to pair a huge phallic sword with the equally phallic Phenis Tattoo on Rachel's back... leading to a LOVE connection between the two remaining 'touched by the Phoenix' descendants. Best romance ever, IMHO. Rachel + Korvus 4 evar! Dinos and Birds are related you know...

NonononononononoNO. I repeat, Greys/Summers are far to fertile for their own good and we do NOT need anymore superbabies.

[Beast]

Oh, dude. That is my friggin' nightmare. Haven't those five been used to death yet? Oh well, maybe if they're over in their own book then I won't have to look at them and all those who love them can read about them undisturbed.
The original five haven't been together as a team since the early 80's.

So 'Used to Death' doesn't make any sense in relation to the five together as a team.

[twoheads]

The original five haven't been together as a team since the early 80's.

So 'Used to Death' doesn't make any sense in relation to the five together as a team.
Late 80's/early 90's, unless you count Angel/Archangel as different characters. Anyway, I didn't mean as a team. I'm tired of the characters individually, and putting them together wouldn't exactly make me jump for joy.

[subliminal]

I agree... we've had so many 'new' old stories and untold stories and titles featuring the original five already -- X-Men 1602, Ultimate X-Men, Hidden Years, First Class, X-Factor, Fairy Tails, Evil original 5 in New Excalibur... blah blah blah blah blah. I would rather see some 'lost' stories of the 1980s X-Men, with Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Kitty and Maybe Binary or Rogue and Rachel too.

I don't think Rachel and Korvus should marry and have kids... I only meant 4 ever until she found a newer model and moved on. :p I don't see Rachel as the marrying type and not the mom-type either. Does anyone else think that Darwin looks like the Professor with Nightcrawler's eyes? If it wasn't for Charles' overgrown eyebrows...

[Hi-Fi]

What a boring issue. I really disliked this detour from the bigger plot. Meh.


Now bring some Hepzibah!!!

[Daithi]

What a boring issue. I really disliked this detour from the bigger plot. Meh.


Aye big detour completely. What with Xavier being kidnapped by the Shi'ar and Rachel being Phoenix again.

[rwsmith]

I agree... we've had so many 'new' old stories and untold stories and titles featuring the original five already -- X-Men 1602, Ultimate X-Men, Hidden Years, First Class, X-Factor, Fairy Tails, Evil original 5 in New Excalibur... blah blah blah blah blah. I would rather see some 'lost' stories of the 1980s X-Men, with Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Kitty and Maybe Binary or Rogue and Rachel too.

Yeah, but Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Kitty, etc., are just as overused. If you really want to see something different, I think perhaps it's time for some of the rest of the X-men to follow Storm and (to a certain degree) Logan's lead and graduate past the X-men.

Personally, I'd like to see both Wolverine and Beast as full-time Avengers (Logan on New and Beast on Mighty). And Cyclops and Emma really shouldn't be running around the globe (or outer space) on adventures when they have a school full of kids to run, right? Kind of irresponsible IMO.

Turn the X-men books over to the next generation of characters (the X-Forcers and Gen-Xers), but with a few of the younger veterans around to provide leadership (e.g., Havok, Rogue, Iceman, and Nightcrawler). That's pretty much what Brubaker and Carey have done with their casts, but the only way that fans aren't going to view those books as ancillary to Astonishing is if there is no Astonishing-type book out there that is full of well-known X-men mainstays.

The more I think about this the more I think it's the way to go for the X-men books. You want a team with Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Colossus, etc.? Buy Ultimate X-men or read back-issues.

And this is coming from a huge Wolverine fan, but IMO it is a bit ridiculous to have him as an Avenger and an X-man at the same time (plus running around in two solo titles). So I say make him an Avenger and be done with it.

[Hi-Fi]

Aye big detour completely. What with Xavier being kidnapped by the Shi'ar and Rachel being Phoenix again.

I never said big. I just want to see them get to the Starjammers and Lilandra and Vulcan. I'm not interested in a issue focusing in a character I really don't care about. What's the big deal, anyway?

[Brian M.]

I never said big. I just want to see them get to the Starjammers and Lilandra and Vulcan. I'm not interested in a issue focusing in a character I really don't care about. What's the big deal, anyway?

Well it's a good thing I think. Your trying to establish Vulcan as a big player. Now I guess you could just show lil bits and peices in the issues of him doing big bad powerful things but that doesn't really leave room for character insight. This way you get to watch Vulcan be a badass and also get to see him grow as a character maybe. I like the idea. It's a good idea.

[twoheads]

Turn the X-men books over to the next generation of characters (the X-Forcers and Gen-Xers), but with a few of the younger veterans around to provide leadership (e.g., Havok, Rogue, Iceman, and Nightcrawler). That's pretty much what Brubaker and Carey have done with their casts, but the only way that fans aren't going to view those books as ancillary to Astonishing is if there is no Astonishing-type book out there that is full of well-known X-men mainstays.

Well, it look like Warpath has made the jump pretty succesfully, and Sam made it a while back. Who else is ready? I would have said Dani if she still had her powers.

I'd say Sunspot and Siryn are the obvious two, but I'm really not sure that any of the Gen X kids are ready. I guess M and Chamber might, but M kind of gets on my nerves and god knows what's going on with Jono right now, it appears that Claremont and Tieri have screwed him up pretty massively.

[rwsmith]

I agree. The issues centering around Vulcan are a nice touch, plus it gives a nice reason for a shift in art styles while giving Tan more time to work on his issues. Well thought-out IMO.

[Hi-Fi]

Well it's a good thing I think. Your trying to establish Vulcan as a big player. Now I guess you could just show lil bits and peices in the issues of him doing big bad powerful things but that doesn't really leave room for character insight. This way you get to watch Vulcan be a badass and also get to see him grow as a character maybe. I like the idea. It's a good idea.

Actually, I was talking about Rachel, not Vulcan. :o

[Michael P]

Late 80's/early 90's, unless you count Angel/Archangel as different characters. Anyway, I didn't mean as a team. I'm tired of the characters individually, and putting them together wouldn't exactly make me jump for joy.
Mid-90s, actually, since Steve Seagle did that two-parter where they all went up to Scott's grandparents' house in Alaska. Y'know, the one with the ravens and stuff?

[rwsmith]

Well, it look like Warpath has made the jump pretty succesfully, and Sam made it a while back. Who else is ready? I would have said Dani if she still had her powers.

I'd say Sunspot and Siryn are the obvious two, but I'm really not sure that any of the Gen X kids are ready. I guess M and Chamber might, but M kind of gets on my nerves and god knows what's going on with Jono right now, it appears that Claremont and Tieri have screwed him up pretty massively.

What about Karma? Or Rahne or Feral? Every team needs someone with claws, right? Magma? Chamber is a great idea. I really liked Casey's inclusion of him in his run on Uncanny. But I think, under the situation I set up (Uncanny as the government team and adjectiveless as the outlaw team), that Chamber would fit better with Rogue's team. I don't see him enjoying working for the U.S. government (much like Warpath).

[Daithi]

I never said big. I just want to see them get to the Starjammers and Lilandra and Vulcan. I'm not interested in a issue focusing in a character I really don't care about. What's the big deal, anyway?

The character they were focusing on is a main character in the book. The Phoenix plotline is main plot in the book considering why Rachel's on the team in the first place. So how can focusing on a main character and a main subplot be a detour instead of the Starjammers? The books more character driven in any case.

[Hi-Fi]

The character they were focusing on is a main character in the book. The Phoenix plotline is main plot in the book considering why Rachel's on the team in the first place. So how can focusing on a main character and a main subplot be a detour instead of the Starjammers? The books more character driven in any case.

Oh Lord. I don't like Rachel. I think her subplot is boring. Therefore the issue was boring for me. What's the big deal for you, anyway? It's not like your posts will change my opinion.

This issue WAS character driven. It was just focused on a character I don't like.

[melodyrider]

I'm not minding the character stuff, but other than the battles, this isn't really coming off like a team book to me. All the conversations are happening in pairs, usually with Havok and Lorna keeping to themselves and Kurt spending the majority of his time with Darwin. I'm hoping with Xavier and Darwin broken off we'll see them bond as a team more. If the conversations are going to remain in pair format though, I'd like them to switch out a little more. Having Kurt and Warpath chat was nice, and I wouldn't mind seeing Rachel have a moment or two with Havok. He is her uncle, after all.

[Daithi]

Oh Lord. I don't like Rachel. I think her subplot is boring. Therefore the issue was boring for me. What's the big deal for you, anyway? It's not like your posts will change my opinion.


It wasn't about the fact that you don't like Rachel. Or me trying to convert you.

It's not a big deal but your original post that this story takes a "detour away from the bigger plot?" Rachel's a part of the bigger plot. This story is a part of the bigger plot. Xavier being kidnapped by the Shi'ar is a part of the bigger plot. There is more "bigger plot" stuff here than in the other issues. But yeah, let's bring on the Starjammers. Summers family reunion. Ray, Alex and Corsair!

[twoheads]

What about Karma? Or Rahne or Feral? Every team needs someone with claws, right? Magma? Chamber is a great idea. I really liked Casey's inclusion of him in his run on Uncanny. But I think, under the situation I set up (Uncanny as the government team and adjectiveless as the outlaw team), that Chamber would fit better with Rogue's team. I don't see him enjoying working for the U.S. government (much like Warpath).

I was thinking Magma, but I don't know about the other three. Karma and Rahne both seem a bit, I don't know, I want to say weak but I don't think that's quite what I mean. I like them as characters, but they don't really scream "X-Man" to me. Feral always seemed like kind of a pointless character, so, to me a least, she wouldn't make it.

I guess if I were to make the New Mutants/GenX all star Xmen team it would be
Cannonball, Sunspot, Magma, Chamber, M, Warpath, and Siryn(even though she's X-Force and not NM).

[Volk1]

Turn the X-men books over to the next generation of characters (the X-Forcers and Gen-Xers)
Definitely. That's why I love X-Factor right now. It has the perfect blend of ex-New Mutants, Gen X-ers, and members of old X-Factor and X-Force. I want to see more of the younger mutants. They're still a lot out there either in Limbo and/or Depowered that IMO a whole new book could be made for them.

I guess I am biased bcause I'm more of a new-school era reader and not an old-school reader. But there are enough characters to go around for everybody. I'd just get really happy if characters like Mirage, Sunspot, and Magma, (Risque?), came back in style.

[Flameworthy]

I never said big. I just want to see them get to the Starjammers and Lilandra and Vulcan. I'm not interested in a issue focusing in a character I really don't care about. What's the big deal, anyway?

I completely agree. One of the main reasons I dropped Uncanny when Chris was writing it was because of the heavy focus on Rachel. I don't want to see this book turned into another Rachel book. I'm actually interested in other characters besides her. It'd be nice if they'd got a little spotlight for a change, instead of her and the Phoenix hogging it all up.:rolleyes:

[Daithi]

I don't want to see this book turned into another Rachel book.

I don't think there's any danger of that. Brubaker is doing a decent job in giving all his characters some quality screen time. Lorna and Warpath in particular. However Rachel is the only cast member who has a legitimate, separate from Vulcan reason for going into Shi'ar space, so I can't blame Brubaker if focuses on that from time to time.

[YummiYami]

This issue wasnt bad at all espically ray she didnt look creepy she loooked awesome! the thing was yeah ur so right its like theirs 2pairs for the team of 6 so 3pairs instead of the whole team. Anyway i hope to see what happens next x_x..

[fishtaco]

I'd say Sunspot and Siryn are the obvious two, but I'm really not sure that any of the Gen X kids are ready. I guess M and Chamber might, but M kind of gets on my nerves and god knows what's going on with Jono right now, it appears that Claremont and Tieri have screwed him up pretty massively.Claremont has never written Chamber. Ever. :confused:

[twoheads]

Claremont has never written Chamber. Ever. :confused:

I meant in a general "people in charge of new excalibur" kind of way because I couldn't remember which of them wrote that issue. I'm still too lazy to look.

[Affinity]

I bought this issue when I went for the BKV book signing and wanted to ask him to sign it...just because. Lol.

[fishtaco]

I meant in a general "people in charge of new excalibur" kind of way because I couldn't remember which of them wrote that issue. I'm still too lazy to look.Frank Tieri wrote it. He's supposedly continuing his own story that Claremont had nothing to do with from a few months beforehand.

[Will.S]

Good issue.

Given the last issue's introduction to Korvus I liked how Ed used him in this issue as the Shi'ar protagonist. He's clearly not a villain but he's being used against his own will to still have to come in conflict with the X-Men. The Darwin and Warpath moments were fun as well as the action scenes between the team and Korvus. You get a good feel for the power of his sword and show the team's ineffectiveness against it aside from Rachel who kicks ass here.

It's also good to see Ed referencing the Chris Claremont End of Grey's storyline as well as the Shi'ar connection to Rachel without going crazy with the Phoenix related stuff aside from a fragment being in the sword. While the two Shi'ar captives logically should have been held in some sort of detaining facility, Darwin did have a point in that they really couldn't do anything to the X-Men that would give them a clear advantage. Plus we wouldn't get that ultra cool closing cliffhanger with Darwin stowing away on their ship with Xavuer.

The art by Billy Tan's was top notch. I actually felt it was a step up from the last which was a bit odd for me for some reason, perhaps because of the skrull depictions but overall I think his grasp of Rachel Grey has improved alot and Warpath and Nightcrawler continue to look consistently good and true to their body size and actions.

I'm actually looking very much forward to the Vulcan stuff with Clayton Henry's art. While I initially didn't like the idea of him doing the art, I've come to like his strong storytelling skills and ultra clean linework, especially in last week's X-Men.

[The Fury]

Completely different from Will.S above. I thought the art was bad.

On the cover, Nightcrawler looks like a screaming monkey. Inside, I just don't think it looks as good as it could be. Tan's art on hisrun with Claremont was far better then this.

Story was okay, but not to my liking, the whole thing was overly quite quickly and resolved without any real development, although Rachel got a little bit the Phoenix back it seems.

A lot of it was expected in my view. Of course the X-men other then Rachel got taken outby a guy with a sword which holds a bit the Phoenix in it and his dad was taken out by Gladiator, who apprently is going to be cumped by a cry baby.

I'll see where this goes.

[Flameworthy]

I want to see some more Polaris in this book. What we've gotten so far has been good, but I think she needs to have an issue dedicated to her (and not with Alex) like this issue was dedicated to Rachel.

[Tre Styles]

I read it last night. Feelin' it. The whole thing between Korvus and Rach. Warpath continues to have the best lines...the Scott/Emma thing, and the Sword comment. I happen to enjoy Tan's art, but that's just me, I know it's not some people's cup o' tea, but I'm feelin it. I'm very happy with the story thus far. (except for that third part with Vulcan, but it's cool. Whateva).

I have a feeling that either Korvus and Rachel ARE going to get together, or they are just going to form like this brother/sister bond thing. And vice versa with Warpath as well. Maybe a triangle or something for awhile, then it'll be "you are just like a brother to me." And then Jimmy can go find Siryn again. ;) Naw, just kidding.

But that has me wondering, when did James and Theresa grow apart anyway? I know that she was more into Deadpool than him. (and not even that really) but I thought there was going to be some of that explored, but it seems like they just dropped the ball on that one. Annnd I'm actually almost worried about Professor X myself. :cool: This issue gets 8 style points out of 10 for story and 9 style points out of 10 for art.

[Pro]

Annnd I'm actually almost worried about Professor X myself.

Considering the cover for the next issue that's probably legitimate ...

[The Fury]

Did no one else notice the weird crazy monkey look Nightcrawler was sporting on the cover?

[creaky]

Did no one else notice the weird crazy monkey look Nightcrawler was sporting on the cover?

He looks like a monkey inside the comic as well. Tan needs to learn to draw him and faces in general. It's lame seeing characters scream with their mouths shut.

Edit: I actually like the art overall, though. For some reason. The backgrounds are gorgeous and I like the layouts. And the colors, even though the characters are often a bit too shiny - literally.

[creaky]

But that has me wondering, when did James and Theresa grow apart anyway? I know that she was more into Deadpool than him.

Whu??:confused:

[tunasammiches]

Yeah Terry was never really into him. He was 'just like a friend' to her. I was honestly getting annoyed with that whole storyline already. It was dragging on and on and I just wanted it to be resolved one way or another. It wasn't like they even had a 'Jim & Pam' thing, they had no common ground and it was kinda tiresome watch him chase after her when she was clearly dealing with her alcoholism issues and whatever. I've always thought Syrin was a one-dimensional character actually, and although I like having her around, and she's got one of the coolest powers ever, I think she should remain in the background. Although she is rocking in X-Factor. But that's cause PAD's writing her.

[The Fury]

He looks like a monkey inside the comic as well. Tan needs to learn to draw him and faces in general. It's lame seeing characters scream with their mouths shut.

Edit: I actually like the art overall, though. For some reason. The backgrounds are gorgeous and I like the layouts. And the colors, even though the characters are often a bit too shiny - literally.
I personally think that all the art teams are clashing here.

Tan can be a good artist, but it seems wrong. The colouring by Frank D'Armata is good and he has worked on some big titles (House of M) but here it is shiny, faces are litterally reflecting light. Then the inking, there is a lot of it and inking can make the difference in whether someone's pencils look good. I do not rate Miki as a good inker.

But then, personaly I think it's Tan's art, it's just not as could as he can be.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I personally think that all the art teams are clashing here.


Personally, I like it. I like the combo, whatevah floats ya boat.

[Madrox84]

Did no one else notice the weird crazy monkey look Nightcrawler was sporting on the cover?

I did, Tan needs to work on the way he draws 'Crawler.

[The Fury]

I did, Tan needs to work on the way he draws 'Crawler.
It was just the hair that annoyed me at first. He had great hair drawn by anyone, but Tan draws it like it's flat and wet all the time, it's weird.

[Flameworthy]

I did, Tan needs to work on the way he draws 'Crawler.

I agree. Kurt is definately his weakest character. I don't like the hair or how the costume looks much the way he draws them. I don't like the fact that the boots (or whatever it is he wears on his feet) are solid white. They should have the red trimming like the gloves. The costume looked 10 times better when Davis drew it (though I'm hardly a big Davis fan).

[Mikl C]

I liked the issue, but thought the X-Men were taken out a little too easily.

[The Fury]

I liked the issue, but thought the X-Men were taken out a little too easily.
To say the least, they lost to a guy with a sword. The sword did all the work, the bloke just held it out.

[creaky]

I agree. Kurt is definately his weakest character. I don't like the hair or how the costume looks much the way he draws them. I don't like the fact that the boots (or whatever it is he wears on his feet) are solid white. They should have the red trimming like the gloves. The costume looked 10 times better when Davis drew it (though I'm hardly a big Davis fan).

Davis' art overall is kinda "eh" to me. Too pretty, usually. But his Nightcrawler makes me forgive him, because man, under his pencil, Kurt becomes the intense-but-tightly-disciplined character he should be instead of just cute and fuzzy and German. He doesn't just draw him well, he brings him to life. *fangirl sigh*

[The Fury]

Davis' art overall is kinda "eh" to me. Too pretty, usually. But his Nightcrawler makes me forgive him, because man, under his pencil, Kurt becomes the intense-but-tightly-disciplined character he should be instead of just cute and fuzzy and German. He doesn't just draw him well, he brings him to life. *fangirl sigh*
I like bolded bit. Alan Davis art is too pretty. Nice.

But you are right, i don't think anyone draws Nightcrawler better then Davis.

[fishtaco]

I like bolded bit. Alan Davis art is too pretty. Nice.

But you are right, i don't think anyone draws Nightcrawler better then Davis.I've always thought that John Romita Jr drew the best Nightcrawler, although Alan Davis did always draw him more human-like and detailed. Maybe it was the colors. Regardless, Alan Davis wins the silver for drawing Kurt, in my book.

[mushroom2703]

I'm digging this book too. Good writing, good idea, the art is enough, and if Tan can evolve as he goes and get better, he could be really good. If not...he doesnt quite cut it for me right now.

I like to say too, that Korvus, and his big fuck-off sword is amazing. I'm liking his origin and history ( one that i would buy a mini of, if they decided to flesh it out a bit) and c'mon. Sure the sword is RIDICULOUSLY huge, but its the phoenix word. Of course its ridiculously huge. I hope he lives through this arc, and goes to earth, but i wouldn't be suprised to see him and Vulcan face off down the road and dieeeee.

I like the 2-1 storylayout brubaker has going, but I want to see more of the team and Korvus, having to wait a whole 2 months between reading the issues is harsh.

[Mikl C]

Omg I have a sword! Lolol PWNED!

[mushroom2703]

Thankyou for re-inforcing my point ;)

[Butch Mapa]

The faces of Tan's characters sometimes go all rubbery. That's probably my main crit. Still, he draws solid BGs, and his rendering is fairly polished.

[Mikl C]

I think his rachel is FUGLY.

[Blackcat]

Next Month on Uncanny X-Men: Vulcan vs. Gladiator, Smasher, Starbolt, and Pulsar


Ehmm, I think you made a (minor) mistake here. On the last page of Uncanny #477 we saw: Gladiator, Smasher, Starbolt and Impulse, there is no Imp Guardsman called Pulsar. On the cover of 480 we see Vulcan fighting:Gladiator, Starbolt, Oracle (you see her leg and arm in the right corner) and Cosmo, the guardman who replaced Neutron.

[Beyond The Beyonder]

Been away from the boards a couple weeks, so I know I'm weighing in way late here. This is the first issue of Brubaker's run that's really excited me. I haven't been disappointed with his run, just a little underwhelmed, but it's really getting going now! Some real emotion in the battle between Rachel and Korvus, some real motion in the plot, and I LOVE the cliffhanger. Go Darwin!

[Christopher O]

I like bolded bit. Alan Davis art is too pretty. Nice.

But you are right, i don't think anyone draws Nightcrawler better then Davis.
I've never been impressed by AD's Nightcrawler. I actually prefer Cockrum's and even Tan's.

[CaptainCanada]

Ehmm, I think you made a (minor) mistake here. On the last page of Uncanny #477 we saw: Gladiator, Smasher, Starbolt and Impulse, there is no Imp Guardsman called Pulsar.
They changed Impulse's name to Pulsar after the Legion of Superheroes (which the Imperial Guard is analogous to) introduced a character of the same name (at least according to the Wikipedia entry on the Imperial Guard).

[spoon_jenkins]

Chiming in late to say I enjoyed this issue (as I have the whole arc so far). I would have preferred for other X-Men to get more "screen time" in this issue, especially since they'll be out of the picture for the next Vulcan-centric issue, but generally I liked it.

[Lord S]

I just want to know one thing...when did the Shi'ar become the Shi'Ar? :rolleyes:

But anyway, I liked the issue, and look forward to the next one...even though it'll be cartoony and will likely feature the next chapter of Glad's ongoing personal string of humiliating losses and total indignation at the hands of Johnny-come-latelies. :rolleyes:

Otherwise, the story's fantastic so far...

[Faded]

I've never been impressed by AD's Nightcrawler. I actually prefer Cockrum's and even Tan's.

Sam here, though I've never been a big fan of his art in general.