New X-Men #31 - Summary and Spoilers!!! [Archive]

Hi-Fi

10-11-2006, 12:02 PM

So we open with the Cuckoos trying to find the New X-Men with a mad Val Cooper at their side. One of our three blonde foxes finally finds them in Forge's home in Texas, and realizes they're fighting Nimrod. She immediatly contacts Emma, who is with Scott in a Blackbird off to the Wedding of The Century(!!!)

In Texas, the New X-Men are all under the ground, with only Rockslide keeping the building to fall apart in his back. Julian and Forge are in pretty bad shape. They all realize they have to destroy the bing pink robot before it reaches the Institute and kills all of the remaining mutants (remember that Cyclops had this fabulous idea of putting all mutants camping at Xavier's?).

Nimrod appears. It blows everything up and the New X-Men are thrown away from each other. Nimrod turns to Julian, ready to kill him with his ultra-powerful pink ray. Santo sees this and has a flashback to the "bus night". He freezed that night and Brian died. He wont do the same again. He gets between Julian and Nimrod and is blown in pieces, apparently. Cessily cries as she yells "Santo!!".

Outside the buiding, clever David runs to the broken jet and start looking for something X-23 brought.

The New X-Men are all attacking Nimrod, while Cess try to find Rockslide's pieces. We can only see part of his head on the ground. Nori is down and Nimrod is ready to exterminate her, but something nearly blows his head. Look, is David with a big frickin' gun!! He then embraces Nori, protecting her with his body. They will die together as Nimrod gets once more ready to shoot. Only wait! Julian is back to action. He attacks the big robot.

While Julian and Dust are distracting the enemy, the rest of the team talk. They realize it's a suicide mission, but they need to destroy Nimrod. The X-Men can't get there on time. Forge remembers that there's a time device inside Nimrod. If they can overload it, it can take Nimrod from inside out. Nori is all for it. She'll overload the "Pink". Time for some team action. X-23 opens the "chest" of the robot, but it reacts with a big (like real big) ray of energy(?) that burns Laura into almost a skeleton. Cessily comes from behind and keep the robot hole (no dirty thoughts, kids) open. Nori comes is with her powers and overload the big dude. Splash page and all. It then apparently explodes and vanish.

The fight is over. Cessily is still crying over Santo and then the head starts speaking to her. "I hate it when you cry". Hellion then uses his telekinesis to restore all Santo's pieces and he's back!! Yay moment for everybody, except that Laura is pretty much dead.

With the jet broken, Hellion rushes to take Laura to Elixir. He starts flying real fast. He then contacts Emma. She says there's nothing she can do. "Miss Frost. Please! I don't want to bury any more of my friends!" he cries. Emma then opens the part of his mind that control his powers and Hellion gets a big boost!!! The boy crosses cities really, really, really fast. He passes by the ONE sentinels like the wind. He does the same with Loa, Match and Hisako. He finally reaches the infirmary and starts begging to Elixir to heal X-23. Elixir touches her and his dark skin becomes gold again. Laura looks alive again!

Julian: "Are...are you ok"
Laura(smiling): "Hi."

Epilogue 1: Didn't get that much. Stryker's body was stolen and there's this assassin named Kimura that sounds like trouble.

Epilogue 2: Nimrod's fate.

Yost and Kyle letter to the fans:"Year 2 is going to be crazier: Wither. Selene. X-Factor. Rockslie auditioning new members. Elixir's epiphany. A secret crush. Powers out of control. Girl talk. X-23's past. And then a story we're so excited about, it hurts to not be able to tell you."

Hi-Fi

10-11-2006, 12:11 PM

Bump.

;P

ibrakeforchinwe

10-11-2006, 12:15 PM

I chuckled when X-23 got fried.

Jack

10-11-2006, 12:16 PM

And then a story we're so excited about, it hurts to not be able to tell you."Translation: We're going to kill someone! Someone important! But not X-23, because EVERYONE MUST LOVE HER. Maybe even lots of someones!

Zombienorthstar

10-11-2006, 12:17 PM

Hmmmm...i wonder what the ramifications of Julian opening the safety barriers on his powers will be?

Jack

10-11-2006, 12:19 PM

Hmmmm...i wonder what the ramifications of Julian opening the safety barriers on his powers will be?
He's dead, of course. Because sacrificing a good character for a far, far, far lamer one is always a good idea.

CaptainCanada

10-11-2006, 12:23 PM

This month on New X-Men: No one dies! (in the end)

Favourite lines:

A Cuckoo: Julian is back.
Another Cuckoo: He's very emotional right now, you may want to give him a moment.

O*N*E soldiers: DON'T YOU FREAKING MOVE!
X-23: Okay.

I was expecting to see the remaining Purifiers again; they've got issues to resolve (also, we get an explanation for why Stryker was pardoned by the Governor of New York). Looking over this whole 12-part arc, I still think it peaked in the middle, with the "Crusade" portion; the Purifiers were much more interesting as a villain than NIMROD.

Faded

10-11-2006, 12:43 PM

Interesting that *now* Elixir can heal people from near death, Hellion getting his potential unlocked (*le sigh* I hate it when telepaths do a "Sage"), and Laura basically taking Sofia's man.

Anyway, I think I'll pass. ;)

This post is actually a bump for Hi-Fi's thread *giggle*

Nevets F

10-11-2006, 12:52 PM

Translation: We're going to kill someone! Someone important! But not X-23, because EVERYONE MUST LOVE HER. Maybe even lots of someones!

Somehow I think I missed the part in this post where you are talking about this issue.

Grunty

10-11-2006, 01:11 PM

Okay for a depowered mutants David is quite awesome.
Strangly he seems to be more cooler without his powers. But the question is how long can a non mutant stay in the X-men. Including with the increasing rift in the X-men mentality.
I mean they nowdays more and more talk about Humans as if they are another race. Then there is Emmas screw you humies mentality she showed after M-day.

Madrox84

10-11-2006, 01:12 PM

Sounds like a cool issue, i'll be getting a copy tomorrow.

Jack

10-11-2006, 01:17 PM

Somehow I think I missed the part in this post where you are talking about this issue.
I'm not. Try reading the little thing above my post. It's called a quote.

Zombienorthstar

10-11-2006, 01:21 PM

Okay for a depowered mutants David is quite awesome.
Strangly he seems to be more cooler without his powers. But the question is how long can a non mutant stay in the X-men. .

I love depowered David. If he did have to leave New X-Men id love him to join the main marvel universe.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 01:32 PM

Didn't know which to post in so...

Epilogue 2: Nimrod ends up in his first appearance, in Ucanny X-Men #192, completing the circle.

Completing the circle? there circle has not ended. In other words this is Nimrod's first appearence, (or eariler in issue 22 or whatever) being taken apart by a human.

Okay so i haven't been keeping up with this...don't buy it but read a friends so can't remember what happened recently. Is Nimrod in the new body? the protptype that Forge built or in this big pink self rebuilding unstoppable one?

Eitehr way the New X-men should all be dead.

The defeat of Nimrod sounds a bit too easy. But then recently battles against other killing machines have been as well.

Nevets F

10-11-2006, 01:41 PM

I'm not. Try reading the little thing above my post. It's called a quote.

I know, mine was sarcasm.

Zombienorthstar

10-11-2006, 01:46 PM

Didn't know which to post in so...

Completing the circle? there circle has not ended. In other words this is Nimrod's first appearence, (or eariler in issue 22 or whatever) being taken apart by a human.

Okay so i haven't been keeping up with this...don't buy it but read a friends so can't remember what happened recently. Is Nimrod in the new body? the protptype that Forge built or in this big pink self rebuilding unstoppable one?

Eitehr way the New X-men should all be dead.

The defeat of Nimrod sounds a bit too easy. But then recently battles against other killing machines have been as well.

To be fair...the only reason Rockslide and X23 ARENT dead its because they're powers make them damn near indestructible.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 01:50 PM

To be fair...the only reason Rockslide and X23 ARENT dead its because they're powers make them damn near indestructible.
Well, not really...Rockslide maybe could have survived, but X-23 just has healing. If organs are damaged enough then no recovery. but I guess that's where characters like Elixier come into play.

Still, I mean they all should be dead. Nimrod was out of their league.

Cayman

10-11-2006, 01:52 PM

caney

10-11-2006, 01:59 PM

I really thought this issue wrapped up the whole storyline pretty well. I'm very excited that Elxir is better now. Seems like a fairly large cast moving on from here with 8 of them, but that's cool. I'm looking forward to the next year from Kyle and Yost.

And is it just me, or did Rockslide have a new look after he reformed? To me he looks a little like a rocky version of Caliban.

Cayman

10-11-2006, 02:09 PM

Gene M.

10-11-2006, 02:11 PM

I totally need to start reading this book. I'll have to see if I can get some trades on the cheap somewhere to get caught up.

Beast

10-11-2006, 02:12 PM

Okay so i haven't been keeping up with this...don't buy it but read a friends so can't remember what happened recently. Is Nimrod in the new body? the protptype that Forge built or in this big pink self rebuilding unstoppable one?

Eitehr way the New X-men should all be dead.
It's the new body that Forge built. But last issue after the 'New X-Men' attacked it, it purged Forge's new programming and adapted it's self into the old pink form. Forge said it's adapted all of the former Nimrod's capabilities and functions now. So basically the new body didn't even weaken Nimrod at all, which makes no sense. What's more confusing, if this is the same Nimrod from the old Uncanny, there's so many problematic plot holes here... it really makes no sense. I hate time travel. Ugh. :p

caney

10-11-2006, 02:13 PM

Yeah, I saw that. Wonder if it's his new look from now on? I like it, he doesn't look like a Thing knockoff as much.

I agree, much better look.

Jack

10-11-2006, 02:23 PM

Well, not really...Rockslide maybe could have survived, but X-23 just has healing. If organs are damaged enough then no recovery. but I guess that's where characters like Elixier come into play.

Still, I mean they all should be dead. Nimrod was out of their league.
But Rockslide was disintegrated while X-23 was merely burned! Clearly she's far more durable than he is.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 02:26 PM

What's more confusing, if this is the same Nimrod from the old Uncanny, there's so many problematic plot holes here... it really makes no sense. I hate time travel. Ugh. :p
Well, it doesn;t have to be.

The writers (i presume) just showed it going back in time. For a body to travel back in time then usually for freewill and things to come into play the body must also step one reality over. Nimrod from Uncanny could have been a different Nimrod, one that was stronger but also had a better AI.

Beast

10-11-2006, 02:27 PM

But Rockslide was disintegrated while X-23 was merely burned! Clearly she's far more durable than he is.
No she's not. He used a different attack against Rockslide than he did X-23.

Beast

10-11-2006, 02:28 PM

Well, it doesn;t have to be.

The writers (i presume) just showed it going back in time. For a body to travel back in time then usually for freewill and things to come into play the body must also step one reality over. Nimrod from Uncanny could have been a different Nimrod, one that was stronger but also had a better AI.
No, they even say in the letters column that Nimrod's story continues in Uncanny X-Men #192. And his introduction is the same as the issue of Uncanny X-Men where he first appears.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 02:28 PM

But Rockslide was disintegrated while X-23 was merely burned! Clearly she's far more durable than he is.
He's made from Rock, she's made of normal human flesh, in comparison it's like saying Wolverine is more durable then Thing. I doubt it. X-23 is not more durable, she is better at surviving...even if they both survived.

If X-23 got hit by the same attack Rockslide did, she'd probably be dead, healing fact or or not.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 02:29 PM

No, they even say in the letters column that Nimrod's story continues in Uncanny X-Men #192. And his introduction is the same as the issue of Uncanny X-Men where he first appears.
letters = Not continuity. in my view Whether Editors say or not..

Beast

10-11-2006, 02:32 PM

letters = Not continuity. in my view Whether Editors say or not..
You're just being stubborn. It's not the editors saying it, it's the writers. The Nimrod we've seen in New X-Men went back in time when it's time unit overloaded. It went back and now is the Nimrod from Uncanny X-Men, and the same one that will/did merge with Master Mold in the Seige Perilous.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 02:34 PM

You're just being stubborn. It's not the editors saying it, it's the writers. The Nimrod we've seen in New X-Men went back in time when it's time unit overloaded. It went back and now is the Nimrod from Uncanny X-Men, and the same one that will merge with Master Mold in the Seige Perilous.
Did Claremont say it? Claremont's character. He determines it's origin.

(Yes I am being stubborn, but a killing machine such as Nimrod deserves more respect that getting his ass kicked by cannon fodder).

Beast

10-11-2006, 02:37 PM

Did Claremont say it? Claremont's character. He determines it's origin.

(Yes I am being stubborn, but a killing machine such as Nimrod deserves more respect that getting his ass kicked by cannon fodder).
No, Claremont didn't say it. And I'm not a fan of it either. Since logically, Nimrod should now use it's datafiles to hunt down and kill all of the New X-Men kids before the joined the school, effectively eradicating them from the timestream. But it's canon now, until the next retcon rolls along and changes it.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 02:41 PM

No, Claremont didn't say it. And I'm not a fan of it either. Since logically, Nimrod should now use it's datafiles to hunt down and kill all of the New X-Men kids before the joined the school, effectively eradicating them from the timestream. But it's canon now, until the next retcon rolls along and changes it.
Sorry Beast, Letters page is not canon. Never will be. As far as I am concerned, Nimrod went to an alternate reality.

(First The Fury...now Nimrod gets beaten like it's a chump...2 of the most dangerous characters ever create and they get kicked around like a football).)

Beast

10-11-2006, 02:43 PM

Sorry Beast, Letters page is not canon. Never will be. As far as I am concerned, Nimrod went to an alternate reality.

(First The Fury...now Nimrod gets beaten like it's a chump...2 of the most dangerous characters ever create and they get kicked around like a football).)
The Fury was a creation of Jamie Braddock, it wasn't meant to be as powerful as the real deal. And you're wrong, that's not what the issue's ending implies at all. It's the same reality, just several years in the past... circe Uncanny #192. And I wouldn't say that Nimrod got kicked around like a football. The kids barely dented it, it took them using combined tactics to even get it rid of it. It's not like they destroyed it.

The Fury

10-11-2006, 02:44 PM

The Fury was a creation of Jamie Braddock, it wasn't meant to be as powerful as the real deal. And you're wrong, that's not what the issue's ending implies at all. It's the same reality, just several years in the past.
The Fury, not as powerful as the original could still wipe out half the superhuman poulation on earth.

Did it say Earth-616? :p

(I like picking at things).

fishtaco

10-11-2006, 03:32 PM

You're just being stubborn. It's not the editors saying it, it's the writers. The Nimrod we've seen in New X-Men went back in time when it's time unit overloaded. It went back and now is the Nimrod from Uncanny X-Men, and the same one that will merge with Master Mold in the Seige Perilous.It's like people are actually trying to make things more confusing. The Fury was a creation of Jamie Braddock, it wasn't meant to be as powerful as the real deal. And you're wrong, that's not what the issue's ending implies at all. It's the same reality, just several years in the past.Mad Jim-Jaspers created The Fury before Marvel Super-Heroes UK #'s 387-388, not Jamie Braddock.

Beast

10-11-2006, 03:36 PM

It's like people are actually trying to make things more confusing.
Time travel is always confusing. It just got a tiny bit more confusing with Nimrod.
Mad Jim-Jaspers created The Fury before Marvel Super-Heroes UK #'s 387-388, not Jamie Braddock.
Might want to actually read the discussion, before chiming in. We're not talking about the real Fury. We're talking about the weak Fury that Jamie Braddock created which appeared in Uncanny X-Men ##444-449.

Faded

10-11-2006, 03:38 PM

Can anyone post what Rockslide looked like? I'm curious now. :D

It's like people are actually trying to make things more confusing. Mad Jim-Jaspers created The Fury before Marvel Super-Heroes UK #'s 387-388, not Jamie Braddock.

I think Beast is refering to the "Fury" that appeared in Uncanny a year or so ago.

Beast

10-11-2006, 03:40 PM

I think Beast is refering to the "Fury" that appeared in Uncanny a year or so ago.
You would be correct. It re-appeared in the First Foursaken storyline also. :)

fishtaco

10-11-2006, 03:48 PM

Can anyone post what Rockslide looked like? I'm curious now. :D

I think Beast is refering to the "Fury" that appeared in Uncanny a year or so ago.It's not the same one?

Volk1

10-11-2006, 03:56 PM

WTF? I thought Elixir was in a coma? It's not like he was chilling in bed taking it easy. All it takes is a few screams and a telekinitic pull-and-grab from Julian to wake him up? Maybe I'm just being picky....

Good issue I guess. Glad no one died despite the false advertising.

Yay Loa!!!!!!:)

The Fury

10-11-2006, 04:27 PM

It's not the same one?
Nope.

Easy way to tell, fishy. The X-men are still alive. :D

chickrockguitar

10-11-2006, 04:42 PM

Sounds good! Can't wait to get my copy tomorrow!

Vaal

10-11-2006, 04:57 PM

CE_Rap

10-11-2006, 05:09 PM

Can anyone post what Rockslide looked like? I'm curious now. :D

This might not be clear, but give it a shot.

Vaal

10-11-2006, 05:24 PM

I like how Forge got in on what looks like a team shot but Hellion didn't.

caney

10-11-2006, 05:35 PM

I like how Forge got in on what looks like a team shot but Hellion didn't.

He was off trying to save X-23 at the time. :)

xmanson

10-11-2006, 05:53 PM

So, Forge create Nimrod? Forge re-furnished Nimrod and then Nimord got back on time and became itself again? What?

CE_Rap

10-11-2006, 05:54 PM

This was an interesting episode. I did enjoy for what it was, but wow, heavy on the convenient side. I get that they over loaded it and it ripped back in time but....It did seem too easy for me.

Santo's *death* was the highlight for me. I knew he'd have some moment like that since the funeral episode where he cried out "I'm sorry, Brian!!" And it WILL bother me if he hooks up with Cess. The Caliban look is interesting though. Its a cross between Caliban and Spike from "X-Men Evolution" when he became a Morlock.

Soooo.........Julian totally pulled a "NEO" from Matrix Reloaded, huh? :p Whatever

The name Talon should be banned from all future writing.

Stryker remains? Purifiers? Kimura? KY has some 'splainin' to do!

Marvel is a joke when it comes to time travel, so in regards to Nimrod and all that jazz. I say "don't ask, don't tell." Someone is just gonna screw with it later anyway.

Prodigy was always my favorite when i picked this book up. Damn am i glad i stuck with him even after being depowered. That boy is GANGSTA!!

Julian waking up Elixir was ridiculous. He should've actually done something to Elixir's mind using his TK for me to believe that Elixir would wake up just like that.

I dunno. Something was missing. REading it was fun, but it felt like one of those action movies that are entertaining in the moment, but have no real substance. The fake outs were annoying. First Mercury, then EVERYONE, then Rockslide, then Surge, then X..............was that REALLY necessary?

I think my problem was that the kids really don't seem that phased. It was motha#$$#in' Nimrod! Yet everyone seemed MILDLY bruised. The effects should have been MUCH more devastating to me. I'm glad no one died, but the way they won wasn't creative to me. It wasn't believable to me.

You know what, i figured it out. Part of it was the artwork. Many scenes weren't strong enough to me. I'm sorry, but the wide splash of Nori charging up Nimrod's chest was very UN-dynamic to even be a splasher.

Still, not too bad, i guess. Like i said, all right in the moment, but you'll get over it real fast.

CE_Rap

10-11-2006, 05:59 PM

So, Forge create Nimrod? Forge re-furnished Nimrod and then Nimord got back on time and became itself again? What?

.........................exactly......:confused:

Shonuff

10-11-2006, 06:13 PM

Man I really dug this issue. Every member of the team got a moment of greatness, and god help me for the first time since this new creative team took over there was a small (very small) bit of character development.

And to those who say David is cool now that he's depowered....Newsflash, David was ALWAYS cool.:cool:

steve2275

10-11-2006, 06:40 PM

This might not be clear, but give it a shot.
its calidoomsdaybanthing

Beast

10-11-2006, 06:44 PM

So, Forge create Nimrod? Forge re-furnished Nimrod and then Nimord got back on time and became itself again? What?
No, Forge didn't create Nimrod. When Nimrod refers to him as Maker, that's Forge's mutant name. It really hasn't been used all that much, but that's what it's supposed to mean. He did re-furbish Nimrod though, in an attempt to turn him good. Of course, when the idiotic New X-Men attacked Nimrod, that new programming got purged and it altered it's self into basically a duplicate of the original Nimrod. And yeah, overloading Nimrod's time unit sent him into a 'Null Space' sort of area, and then when Nimrod actived it's time unit again to return to present 616, it screwed up some of it's datafiles and shunted it back to the past of the 616, appearing as Nimrod had in Uncanny X-Men #192, making it clear that this Nimrod really is the original one from Uncanny, we just didn't know this aspect of it's past until now. I guess what Forge did to him and the damage to it's datafiles could explain the strange behavior from Nimrod back in the day. Anyway... Confusing, yes. Unncessary, sure. :D

Faded

10-11-2006, 06:47 PM

This might not be clear, but give it a shot.

Thanks a bunch!

Medina's art seems to remain really good! I think his body looks cool, but I don't like his head. He kinda looks like Caliban.

Vaal

10-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Does this count as a retcon explaination for Nimrod turning 'good' when he was talking to Master Mold?

Beast

10-11-2006, 06:58 PM

Does this count as a retcon explaination for Nimrod turning 'good' when he was talking to Master Mold?
I just assumed that since Nimrod was programmed to evolve and adapt, and eventually gained full sentience after living as a human, that his 'emotions' didn't gel with his programming. Man, Terminator 2 and 3 stole from Claremont. Kididng. But yeah, this is probably going to become the new retcon. :p

Nstar83

10-11-2006, 07:03 PM

Hrm I have yet to get my copy, but i haven't gotten to the shops in two weeks.The whole Power boost with Julian is interesting.I meen could this be a recycle of sins of ther passed as in like xavier shunting Jeans powers maybe the same was happening with Emma doing so to julian.Seeing him maybe posses a fraction of the First forsaken anti pheonix would be an interesting thing to see.Then again I'm just trying to get excited over nothing

Vaal

10-11-2006, 07:05 PM

He was off trying to save X-23 at the time. :)
Emma's going to promote David ahead of him for that one.

I just assumed that since Nimrod was programmed to evolve and adapt, and eventually gained full sentience after living as a human, that his 'emotions' didn't gel with his programming. Man, Terminator 2 and 3 stole from Claremont. Kididng. But yeah, this is probably going to become the new retcon. :p
Oy. The sad thing is that that's all it does. We learned nothing new about Big Pink (the robot with the breath freshening powers of disentegrator rays), and there's no reprecussions for the kids and Forge essentially causing the original Nimrod saga and Operation: Zero Tolerance.

xmanson

10-11-2006, 07:07 PM

But where did the original Nimrod came from? So there's "no Nimrod"? The Nimrod of now became the Nimrod of yesterday that became the Nimrod of now? What the fuck?

Beast

10-11-2006, 07:13 PM

But where did the original Nimrod came from? So there's "no Nimrod"? The Nimrod of now became the Nimrod of yesterday that became the Nimrod of now? What the fuck?
This is where the original Nimrod came from. This is his origin story, basically. Forge in another reality gave him a time travel gizmo, but made it so he couldn't time travel into that reality. Nimrod goes back and gets found by Stryker, yada yada yada... New X-Men kids overload it's time unit and then it gets sent into null time, and then Nimrod time jumps again, going back even further in time and arriving as he did in Uncanny X-Men #192. Yes, it makes your head hurt. Like most time travel stories. :D

Vaal

10-11-2006, 07:14 PM

But where did the original Nimrod came from? So there's "no Nimrod"? The Nimrod of now became the Nimrod of yesterday that became the Nimrod of now? What the fuck?
A handy dandy flow chart of Big Pink
1) Nimrod attacks alt-Forge at Eagle Plaza, killing alt-Storm. All we know of before this point is the Nimrod ws built by other Sentinels.

2) alt-Forge sends Nimrod to 616, two years before M-Day. Styker captures it.

3) Nimrod tricks Stryker into getting his ass handed to him two-years later, escapes to find Forge.

4) Nimrod is downloaded into the X-bot, but subsumes it, becoming Nimrod 2.0

5) Nimrod 2.0 gets schooled by the NXM and is sent to:

6) Nimrod's first appearence in comics, years in the past. He is still Nimrod 2.0.

7) Nimrod is forced through the Seige Perilous with Master Mold and Becomes Bastion.

8) Bastion starts O:ZT, but ends up getting schooled.

9) Bastion's remains are ressurected as Template.

xmanson

10-11-2006, 07:16 PM

This is where the original Nimrod came from. This is his origin story, basically. Forge in another reality gave him a time travel gizmo, but made it so he couldn't time travel into that reality. Nimrod goes back and gets found by Stryker, yada yada yada... New X-Men kids overload it's time unit and then it gets sent into null time, and then Nimrod time jumps again, going back even further in time and arriving as he did in Uncanny X-Men #192. Yes, it makes your head hurt. Like most time travel stories. :D

Well, well... remember simpler stories? The villain comes back from whatever it was, they fight, the villain goes away? I knoe people sometimes like to show much creative they can be, but in this case simplicity would have helped a lot.

Shitty title anyway.

xmanson

10-11-2006, 07:22 PM

A handy dandy flow chart of Big Pink
1) Nimrod attacks alt-Forge at Eagle Plaza, killing alt-Storm. All we know of before this point is the Nimrod ws built by other Sentinels.

2) alt-Forge sends Nimrod to 616, two years before M-Day. Styker captures it.

3) Nimrod tricks Stryker into getting his ass handed to him two-years later, escapes to find Forge.

4) Nimrod is downloaded into the X-bot, but subsumes it, becoming Nimrod 2.0

5) Nimrod 2.0 gets schooled by the NXM and is sent to:

6) Nimrod's first appearence in comics, years in the past. He is still Nimrod 2.0.

7) Nimrod is forced through the Seige Perilous with Master Mold and Becomes Bastion.

8) Bastion starts O:ZT, but ends up getting schooled.

9) Bastion's remains are ressurected as Template.

2 years? So he found Nimrod before the X-treme X-men arc?

Vaal

10-11-2006, 07:30 PM

Marvel time is horrifying even without time travel.

Stryker got out of his cocoon thing from X-treme (with Paul dying for NO REASON), thought he was forsaken, when to church and had Big Pink fall in his lap.

Sometime between that event (two years ago) and the Marvel Present, he orchestrated the events of She Lies with Angels to freak Jay out (apperently).

Beast

10-11-2006, 07:37 PM

2 years? So he found Nimrod before the X-treme X-men arc?
Yeah, Marvel Time sucks as of late. Just fudge the dates as usual.

d newton

10-11-2006, 07:50 PM

She immediatly contacts Emma, who is with Scott in a Blackbird off to the Wedding of The Century(!!!)
So the Astonishing team makes a second trip to Storm's wedding then - after this issue? :D

lightning

10-11-2006, 08:47 PM

My notes:

- The most important thing is the technically, Forge just sent something to kick around Emma and her old crew.

- I don't really like the whole HellionxX-23 pairing at all though and would have rather he not have had to get his blocks taken out to save a regenerator. Though fixing Elixir was worth it.

- I'm going to punch someone if they pair Cess with Santo though.

- David is pure, unadulterated badass. Bishop without the confusing back story!

- I really, really want Forge to come to the school now. He's probably still going to be the only adult that has even a shred of sense in this book.

- This book seems to be desperately trying to point out how bloody evil ONE is while the other books plug thier ears and hum, while simply mewling over it. Its not just the dude working with Johnny Dee, its the whole damn organization!

Finally, this was not the pink robot ex machina I was hoping for. Not only are a bunch of good characters still dead, but now a bunch of Purifiers, repleate with non-detection technology are going to clone/cyborg up Stryker.

Pairing Hellion and X-23 is one of those things that you could coming from a million miles away (or right from her introduction into the book). For that reason alone, I hope that they don't do it.

I don't know if Elixir is fully "fixed", but he's an interesting character, so not being in a coma or whatever is a step up.

Cessily/Santo is pairing I'd rather not see them make. I like them better when they are always bickering, but deep down you know they are friends. Cessily's crush on Wither made for a much interesting plot, since she's the only one he can touch. Although if they do go down the Cessily/Santo road, I hope the fact that neither of them look "normal" and Cessily seems somewhat insecure about her appearance comes into play somehow.

I agree that gun-toting David is pretty cool. If he sticks around, I'd like to see him compensate for his lack of powers by using technology (i.e. like his visor thingy that's linked into the Xavier Institute computer). After all, he's still a pretty smart guy.

I wish they'd just leave Stryker dead. No clone/cyborge/anything to make him come back. Or if they insist on doing that, let some time go by before he makes his inevitable return.

The evil government is a plot that happens way too much in all forms of media. I hope they don't dwell on ONE too much, but it's unavoidable.

Overall, I liked the issue, and I am glad that no one else bought the farm. While the legitimate possibility of a main character dying does elevate the danger and suspense, I think the impact of someone dying is lessened if it happens too often. While, killing off Wallflower (a shame, I liked her), Quill, and everyone else did make it seem like the kids were under siege and generally screwed, I hope no one dies for a while, so when it does happen, it's actually a significant event in the story.

Some random thoughts....I liked Hellion's "Ashida, shut up" when she was in the middle of her cliche "I love you" to David. I thought sending Nimrod to the past was a good way as any to get rid of him. I liked how the kids used their powers in ways that actually made sense when fighting Nimrod (Dust blinding his sensors, X-23 ripping him open, and Mercury using her T-1000 skills to keep him from repairing).

Nevets F

10-11-2006, 09:28 PM

Wow.....this issue was FANTASTIC. A GREAT payoff for a great year of issues.

Looking forward to the next year!

R Krippler

10-11-2006, 09:56 PM

I loved this issue, and I can't really believe that it has already been a year since this began. I like the whole Nimrod circular thing that is going on. Also that X-23 doesn't have the same type of healing factor that her dad/brother/uncle has.

Question: Beast did you like the issue? You have a roundabout way of saying things and it gets hard to tell.:confused:

Beast

10-11-2006, 10:07 PM

Question: Beast did you like the issue? You have a roundabout way of saying things and it gets hard to tell.:confused:
It was certainly better than it has been lately. They didn't kill anyone, which pleases me. All and all it was fairly good. However... I didn't really like the unncessary retcon to Nimrod, mostly because it now makes the original Uncanny stories needlessly confusing. Especially Nimrod's growth as a character. I would have rather had them just keep this Nimrod as just another alternate reality counterpart.

Syzygy

10-12-2006, 03:13 AM

I liked the issue, while also agreeing with some of the points raised.

Yes, Elixir did wake up pretty easily, etc., but nothing really seemed big enough to bother me this issue.

Well, maybe...did Hellion bore through some thirty meters of earth and stone to break into the underground complex, or did he just fly down the stairs?

Anyway, only one big disappointment for me, and that is that the Purifiers (and maybe Stryker himself) are coming back. Are the X-Men too stupid to track these guys down? Even if the Purifiers are "immune to detection", there's still good old fashioned detective work. (I think Batman would be onto these guys in a heartbeat.) Isn't Bishop a detective?

Peace,
Syzygy

Daithi

10-12-2006, 03:45 AM

This is where the original Nimrod came from. This is his origin story, basically.

What? I thought Nimrod followed Rachel from DoFP back to 616? Unless this NEX Nimrod travelled back to an alternate Earth? Or his original Earth?

d newton

10-12-2006, 04:10 AM

This is where the original Nimrod came from. This is his origin story, basically. Forge in another reality gave him a time travel gizmo, but made it so he couldn't time travel into that reality. Nimrod goes back and gets found by Stryker, yada yada yada... New X-Men kids overload it's time unit and then it gets sent into null time, and then Nimrod time jumps again, going back even further in time and arriving as he did in Uncanny X-Men #192. Yes, it makes your head hurt. Like most time travel stories.
So you're saying that this Nimrod is the one which followed Rachel Summers/Grey back to Earth 616? :D
I mean you've got 3 Nimrods running around the Marvel Universe now:
A - the one that was from Rachel's earth and became Bastion (DOFP).
B - the one that went to Eagle Plaza, killed alt Storm and came to Earth 616 due to alt Forge (recent issues of New X Men V2).
C - the one that made 2 appearances in X Force (issues 35, 36).

The Fury

10-12-2006, 04:28 AM

This is where the original Nimrod came from. This is his origin story, basically. Forge in another reality gave him a time travel gizmo, but made it so he couldn't time travel into that reality. Nimrod goes back and gets found by Stryker, yada yada yada... New X-Men kids overload it's time unit and then it gets sent into null time, and then Nimrod time jumps again, going back even further in time and arriving as he did in Uncanny X-Men #192. Yes, it makes your head hurt. Like most time travel stories. :D
Does this new time drive he has work the same way? By general assumption it should, no programming has changed, if it is a time drive that Nimrod only has access to use not change the programming behind it, then he jumped a reality when he went through time...so Nimrod in 192 was not this Nimrod.

Newton makes an excellent point above, also. :)

Zombienorthstar

10-12-2006, 04:31 AM

Is it ironic that the best member of the New X-Men is human?

chickrockguitar

10-12-2006, 06:44 AM

I Just got this issue. And, I thought it was great!

I liked the ending. Josh is back yay! And... did he smile at Laura? I'd like them two to get together. Not Julian and Laura. I'm glad Josh is gold again, and that he's back. And I loved Nori's leadership - she went nuts.

Kimara? I was talking with a friend, and we think its the chick in the X-23 previews. So, we should find out some more about her and Laura in X-23: Target X. And, OMG! Is that Dr. Zander Rice with her? Huh. I so called for him not being dead and coming back to haunt Laura. *hopes its him*

O.O. So who may be joining the team? I'd love Vic to. That'd be awesome!

It seems Emma is still trying to be a b-i-t-c-h towards Laura. And according to Chris, we'll see more on that soon. I'm looking forward to that.

Anyway! GREAT issue. Loved it. well done C&C and the teamn.
And lastly, why can't they ALL be 48 pages?!

d newton

10-12-2006, 06:48 AM

Okay, so they send this Nimrod back in time to Uncanny 192 to become Bastion? So what happens to the one from Rachel's timeline then? :confused:

Daithi

10-12-2006, 07:04 AM

Okay, so they send this Nimrod back in time to Uncanny 192 to become Bastion? So what happens to the one from Rachel's timeline then? :confused:

I think the best way is that the NEX Nimrod went back into the past of a different timeline.

Blackcat

10-12-2006, 07:11 AM

Kimara? I was talking with a friend, and we think its the chick in the X-23 previews. So, we should find out some more about her and Laura in X-23: Target X.

EHMMM, Did some of you read Age of A II? Kimara, wasn't that a character that we first thought to be the counterpart of X-23, but turned out she has no counterpart in 616? She was an actual daughter of Wolverine (in that time-line). It might just be the 616 version of this girl. I don't know if i will like it though

Nevets F

10-12-2006, 07:17 AM

EHMMM, Did some of you read Age of A II? Kimara, wasn't that a character that we first thought to be the counterpart of X-23, but turned out she has no counterpart in 616? She was an actual daughter of Wolverine (in that time-line). It might just be the 616 version of this girl. I don't know if i will like it though

That girl didn't have the same name, it did start with a "K" though.

Faded

10-12-2006, 08:23 AM

That girl didn't have the same name, it did start with a "K" though.

Kirika IIRC.

Arilou

10-12-2006, 08:39 AM

It *kind* of bothered me how often the female X-teens got their clothes blown off/torn to shreds though....

Kind of.

xmanson

10-12-2006, 09:20 AM

This new Nimrod is lame - he couldn't even toast X-23.

tunasammiches

10-12-2006, 11:31 AM

I. totally. loved it. I thought this issue was rather gripping. The writing had the pacing of a TV show actually. Good drama, good action, I'm happy they got a happy ending. I like the twists, but yeah, I thought Nimrod followed Rachel back through her timeline...?

I'm glad Santo's not dead. I actually like him as a character. Cessily's kinda boring. Dust is rad and actually using her powers in this one. Nori's kinda lame, but her powers are cool. I want David to stay black. It was a good color contrast to his hair. David's one of my favorites. Keller is awesome in this issue and this last arc really redeemed him as a character in the X-universe. His power's kinda redundant but his personality kinda makes up or it. I want Forge as a regular on the book now. It'll be a good place for him, kinda like how Gen X was for Bansee. I miss Bansee...

X-23...hmm...I don't know how I feel about her. Can we get Icaurus back?

Vaal

10-12-2006, 11:57 AM

What? I thought Nimrod followed Rachel from DoFP back to 616? Unless this NEX Nimrod travelled back to an alternate Earth? Or his original Earth?
One would assume the Nimrod hit Forge up for a time machine in order to follow Rachel, probably after becoming stranded on alt-Forge's timeline after his first jump didn't follow her correctly.

sammuraiblade

10-12-2006, 02:02 PM

this issue was one the best C&C did. The mere mention that one the New X-men in this ish was going to die ( or Fall) added the spice it than the others. For a second i thought X-23 was gonna bite it, i mean really!

Hellion totally stole the show in this one. From blocking and retalliating most of nimrod's attacks to flying clear across the US( while holding X-23 firmly up against his manly chest) to save X-23. Busting through a sentinel, the institute, and getting Elixir to "man-up" and heal her. The results of all that was a concussion, anerisum upon anerisum, and total full-out exaustion.

I hope he is not dead cause that was awesome

X-23: Hnnnk.... nnn!!!
Hellion: Stay with me! STAY WITH MEEE!!!

Best issue ever:D

Daithi

10-12-2006, 02:09 PM

One would assume the Nimrod hit Forge up for a time machine in order to follow Rachel, probably after becoming stranded on alt-Forge's timeline after his first jump didn't follow her correctly.

Then why wouldn't Nimrod try and find Rachel during the events of New X-Men?

Beast

10-12-2006, 02:18 PM

Then why wouldn't Nimrod try and find Rachel during the events of New X-Men?
She was off planet with Xavier?

xmanson

10-12-2006, 02:38 PM

She was off planet with Xavier?

Hmmm... didn't Nimrod show up before they wen out of the planet?

And if the old Nimrod is this lame Nimrod... I guess time traveling boosted up his abilities and made him deadlier.

Beast

10-12-2006, 02:41 PM

Hmmm... didn't Nimrod show up before they wen out of the planet?

And if the old Nimrod is this lame Nimrod... I guess time traveling boosted up his abilities and made him deadlier.
True. It should have been right around Storm's wedding. Hmm, damn.

CaptainCanada

10-12-2006, 03:12 PM

Then why wouldn't Nimrod try and find Rachel during the events of New X-Men?
When did he have the opportunity? He was incapacitated from his arrival until #27, at which point his primary objective became surviving, with the help of Forge, and he was stopped at about the time he completed that objective. If he had escaped from the battle in #31, he would have reverted to whatever mission originally brought him to the past.

The Fury

10-12-2006, 03:50 PM

She was off planet with Xavier?
Even then, that isn;t an excuse. Nimrod did not know she was off the planet, it would have still gone to find her...and then left the planet when it foudn out she wasn't on it.

Beast

10-12-2006, 04:04 PM

Even then, that isn;t an excuse. Nimrod did not know she was off the planet, it would have still gone to find her...and then left the planet when it foudn out she wasn't on it.
Well, like was said he didn't have a chance. Nimrod appeared, damaged thanks to the jump. He was held by Stryker for some time, until he was able to engineer an escape. Then went to Forge for repairs. And then we got the battle with the New X-Men kids and Nimrod 2.0, and then he got shunted off into null time, and then tried to go back and ended up even earlier in the 616 timeline. Eh, it works. It's still unncessary.

The Fury

10-12-2006, 04:06 PM

Well, like was said he didn't have a chance. Nimrod appeared, damaged thanks to the jump. He was held by Stryker for some time, until he was able to engineer an escape. Then went to Forge for repairs. And then we got the battle with the New X-Men kids and Nimrod 2.0, and then he got shunted off into null time, and then tried to go back and ended up even earlier in the 616 timeline. Eh, it works. It's still unncessary.
But earlier you said the time drive thing jumped a reality when it ...well jumped. It is a different time drive thingy or did Nimrod reprogram it?

Beast

10-12-2006, 04:09 PM

But earlier you said the time drive thing jumped a reality when it ...well jumped. It is a different time drive thingy or did Nimrod reprogram it?
I'm not sure how it works exactly. Maybe Alt-Forge built this one to work only in one specific timeline so that Nimrod couldn't keep jumping and find his way back to his. I do agree with you that it's a sloppy and somewhat unncessary retcon.

Vaal

10-12-2006, 08:35 PM

He jumped to Null Time from the overload, so he didn't jump directly through time at any point.

Shonuff

10-12-2006, 09:04 PM

It *kind* of bothered me how often the female X-teens got their clothes blown off/torn to shreds though....

Kind of.

It wasn't just you. All these characters are still under 18 I believe, but for some reason all the female characters (excluding Dust of course) feel the need to run around nearly half naked and nobody says anything. :confused: Nori and X23 were a couple threads away from being in their birthday suits.:eek:

CaptainCanada

10-12-2006, 09:05 PM

Well, X-23 has an excuse, given that she was incinerated.

steve2275

10-13-2006, 12:37 AM

nimrods gone
so y should we care?

The Fury

10-13-2006, 03:54 AM

He jumped to Null Time from the overload, so he didn't jump directly through time at any point.
So...why isn't It there? Why did it jump back in time more (to another alternate reality) instead of back to this time and place?

And why were none of these 'targets' ever mentioned in 192 onwards by Nimrod?

I pick becuase I care.

steve2275

10-13-2006, 04:16 AM

because the writer of 192 didnt know of what would b written in our time by kyle and yost:p

Daithi

10-13-2006, 04:32 AM

because the writer of 192 didnt know of what would b written in our time by kyle and yost:p

Yes but Kyle and Yost knew what was written years ago but they chose to ignore it. If they wanted to make sure their Nimrod was the Nimrod they could have included some stuff from the DoFP stories. Oh and have Nimrod not being a total wimp and outclassed by kids.

Affinity

10-13-2006, 07:23 AM

I LOOOOOVED THIS ISSUE!

The art team is so underappreciated, but I love them. Pencils, inks, and colors are all fabulous!!

The story was fun, too! I thought Santo died and really did miss him, but he was okay! And Laura's okay! And Julian's okay! And Cessily's okay! And Sooraya's okay! And Nori didn't die!

Very entertaining issue! I loooooooooved it!

Faded

10-13-2006, 10:00 AM

Hmmm...I don't think I liked this issue as much as everyone else.

Its DEFINITELY improved though. Mercury and Rockslide got some good characterization and I liked Surge's leadership (though I miss her spunk). The art was lovely...there's a certain style Medina has in some panels that I wish he'd stick with (a lot of them involved Nori). His Mercury looks goofy a lot of the times though. She looks really...gummy. Oh and I don't like the new Rockslide design. I'll take a rock-Thing over rock-Caliban anyday. ;)

For the dangerous environment this team has had, I did not like how convenient it was for X-23 to survive. :rolleyes: As I mentioned in a previous post regarding the summary, I was not fond of Emma's power boost to Hellion nor Elixir miraculously waking up and healing her all for the "new girl".

Other than that, I thought it was a fairly good issue. I'd give it a B.

P.S. Glad no one died. :)

tunasammiches

10-13-2006, 11:35 AM

Yeah I found myself pretty relieved that no one died. It was touch and go there for a second though.

Sentinel K

10-13-2006, 12:26 PM

I enjoyed this issue for the most part.

The confusion with Nimrod was unnecessary though.

It seems lik K&Y were trying to be clever by making it the same Nimrod but it doesn't work I don't think.

Wasn't the Nimrod from back in the day from DOFP?

Kind of spoiled what HAD BEEN a very enjoyable issue.

Madrox84

10-13-2006, 12:28 PM

I liked this issue, it was good.

But i thought the sexond epilogue was a little unneccesary.

Kage Kisaragi

10-13-2006, 01:20 PM

okay, though im happy no one died, im also kind of disappointed no one died. when you say someone will fall they should fall permenately not just for 3 or 4pages.

man i was sure that was it for Santo. So how do you kill Santo reduce him to dust then scatter his remains?

same question for Cess to? seperate her and then keep the remains seperate?

How come Talon gets refered to as a sever threat and everyone is like medium to high, with forge and david being low to no factors. David didnt even change to low, rather he just became a additional combatant. Talon got pwnd just as easy as the rest, didnt see the severity of her abilities, she did open him up dang.

I don't think the new x-men are ready to be calling themselves x-men, Mercury broke out of combat to whimper when the team really needed her to focus on nimrod, i like her and all, as much as i like the rest of the team members but Surge should definitely take that into consideration in future missions. Again another power showing for hellion, who is seemingly becoming more and more of the team trump card and why shouldn't he a telekinetic is pretty damn near unstoppable and since emma was pumping up his ego in earlier issues saying how much potiental he has in both leadership and powers, i can see where this is going and how much im not gonna like it is it continues. not much evidence of him becoming the next answer to all problems but it can be implied at this point.

sephirothskiller

10-13-2006, 01:50 PM

I wrote a lot of angry letters when they started up, but things really wrapped up nicely.

I'm not uptight like some of you, so I ENJOYED the Nimrod going back in time thing. Suspension of disbelief people!!

Rockslides new look is killer, and Josh is all black and gold now which is crazy. Laura seemed a bit too sociable before, the writers need to remember that she is more anti social that Wolverine.

One thing: Clearly Laura does not have the healing factor of Wolverine in this series. I mean, the damage done to her really was nothing compared to what we've seen wolverine go through, and that note on "if my internal organs go I'll die!!" has never affected him. Sooo many times he's been blasted to the point where he's almost entirely just a skeleton.

Oh, and does X-23 have adamantium bones? If I remember correctly its just her claws.

Hopefully some team stability will ensue from this.

I just realized something: (The true origin of X-23!)

Editor 1: I think its time to put out another team of young X-Men soon.
Editor 2: Can Wolverine be on it?
Editor 1: Young X-Men on the team. Not century old X-men.
Editor 2: What if we were to clone a young Wolverine?
Editor 1: It would be too obvious what we were trying to do.
Editor 2: We'd do an origin series... And have foot claws!
Editor 1: Still too obvious!
Editor 2: We'd give it a vagina!
Editor 1: Deal!

I'm feeling a bit goofy today. :eek:

The Fury

10-13-2006, 02:37 PM

and that note on "if my internal organs go I'll die!!" has never affected him. Sooo many times he's been blasted to the point where he's almost entirely just a skeleton.
He hasn't, luckily, to my recollection. But give it time and Wolverine will be immortal...the stupid hairy munchkin.

He's never lost an organ though., as long as the organ survives within his body he can heal it.

Beast

10-13-2006, 02:38 PM

He hasn't, luckily, to my recollection. But give it time and Wolverine will be immortal...the stupid hairy munchkin.

He's never lost an organ though., as long as the organ survives within his body he can heal it.
He got burned down to a skeleton by Nitro in HoM: Wolverine. Yes, it's complete nonsensical crap.

The Fury

10-13-2006, 02:41 PM

He got burned down to a skeleton by Nitro in HoM: Wolverine. Yes, it's complete nonsensical crap.
....*BEEEB*

Wait, Nitro can do that? I thought he just exploded? Who's writing Wolverine at the moment? I need to send hate mail.

Beast

10-13-2006, 02:45 PM

....*BEEEB*

Wait, Nitro can do that? I thought he just exploded? Who's writing Wolverine at the moment? I need to send hate mail.
I believe when he exploded he took out a gas main also, hence the burned to a skeleton. And I believe the writer at the time was Daniel Way, but don't quote me on that. Lemme check and I'll make sure.

Beast

10-13-2006, 02:49 PM

I believe when he exploded he took out a gas main also, hence the burned to a skeleton. And I believe the writer at the time was Daniel Way, but don't quote me on that. Lemme check and I'll make sure.
Nope, my bad... it was Marc Guggenheim.
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AceOfSpades

10-13-2006, 03:15 PM

Nope, my bad... it was Marc Guggenheim.

Damn you to hell Guggenheim

and yet I find it hard to be angry at someone with that last name

The Fury

10-13-2006, 04:16 PM

So...Wolverine should be dead?

It's healing not regeneration after all.

Arilou

10-13-2006, 04:24 PM

I just realized something: (The true origin of X-23!)

Editor 1: I think its time to put out another team of young X-Men soon.
Editor 2: Can Wolverine be on it?
Editor 1: Young X-Men on the team. Not century old X-men.
Editor 2: What if we were to clone a young Wolverine?
Editor 1: It would be too obvious what we were trying to do.
Editor 2: We'd do an origin series... And have foot claws!
Editor 1: Still too obvious!
Editor 2: We'd give it a vagina!
Editor 1: Deal!

I'm feeling a bit goofy today. :eek:

That's sort-of what happened.

X-23 originated in the X-men: Evolution cartoon, where most of the X-men are teenagers.

But Wolverine isn't, he has an older teacher/mentor kind of relationship with them (and y'know, I likwed him more like that than I have in the comics....)

Anyway X-23 came in as a wild-card/adversary/counterpart for a team where Wolverine has a different niché (And I really liked the original X-23 episode. Loved her deisgn too. She *looked* like a female version of Evolution Wolverine. Same nose and all)

xmanson

10-13-2006, 04:44 PM

IIRC, Claremont was asked to intorduce the charcater in the X-Universe (but they couldn't have her as a hooker or similat like NYX). She was supposed to be in those 2 issues and that's it, but Davis liked to draw her and so she was brought to the Savage Land arc.

Of course, a little more than a year after the first encounter, it was already retconned as having Logan knowing her before the Uncanny arc.

Lame.

Thouhg I liked Wolvagina in Uncanny. She had a great team up with betsy and she looked kinda fugly when penciled by Davis, which was nice.

melriks

10-13-2006, 05:21 PM

I've been a big fan of Nimrod for a long time; partly because he was in the X-men during the time I was collecting and partly because I'm a big fan of the Terminator movie franchise.

To me this addition to the Nimrod timeline makes perfect sense.

Nimrod was created by the Sentinels in the future that Rachel Summers comes from.

When Katherine Pryde sent Rachel to the past using Rachel's own mutant time travel powers, the Sentinels were alerted to the possiblity of time travel but lacked the ability through time themselves.

Nimrod is dispatched to find Forge and force him to build a time machine.

Nimrod attempts to follow Rachel through time, but his mechanical nature malfunctions in the time stream. He arrives broken in the church with Stryker.

Years pass with Nimrod trapped by Stryker until the attack on the New X-men. Nimrod adopts Forge's new body. The battle with New X-men happens, and Nimrod is forced back into the time stream.

His next jump lands him further in the past. Nimrod saves the life of a human. After several battles with the X-men, Hellfire Club and Juggernaut, Forge's original programming begins to influence Nimrod making him question his Sentinel programming.

Nimrod gets merged with the Master Mold in the Siege Perilous and all the goofiness that came after happens.

The Fury

10-13-2006, 05:33 PM

He arrives broken in the church with Stryker.

Years pass with Nimrod trapped by Stryker until the attack on the New X-men. Nimrod adopts Forge's new body.
This is something that always concerned me a bit. I have read the issues but I do not have them as they were a friends, but what exactly was wrong with Nimrod when he came back through time and was 'held' hostage by Stryker?

What's weirder is that Stryker was able to take Nimrod apart. Nimrod is made from a incredibly durable metal, far too durable for any known saw or blade (excepot maybe wolverine's claws....I hate wolverine) to cut through.

Not only that, Nimrod has near complete control over an of his part and if separated from his body he can rebuild himself. Having his parts removed would not make him seek others for help. Nimrod can adapt and become better to survive and complete his mission. This could include assimilation of other machinery to temporarily fix himself or recharge his energy cells.

Daithi

10-14-2006, 04:44 AM

When Katherine Pryde sent Rachel to the past using Rachel's own mutant time travel powers, the Sentinels were alerted to the possiblity of time travel but lacked the ability through time themselves.

Nimrod is dispatched to find Forge and force him to build a time machine.

No this is incorrect. In Excalibur #66 in the DoFP timeline we find what happened to Nimrod. Security footage showed Nimrod neutralizing Kate Pyrde and then disappearing. It's speculated that Rachel/Phoenix opened a timeportal/rift to send Rachel back and that Nimrod followed through that rift.

Syzygy

10-14-2006, 04:57 AM

No this is incorrect. In Excalibur #66 in the DoFP timeline we find what happened to Nimrod. Security footage showed Nimrod neutralizing Kate Pyrde and then disappearing. It's speculated that Rachel/Phoenix opened a timeportal/rift to send Rachel back and that Nimrod followed through that rift.

It's not my job to save Yost and Kyle's story...but could that rift have led Nimrod not to 616 Earth, but the future Earth where Forge and Storm were married with kids?

Of course, if this is so, it was Y&K's job to state this, and they did not. So even if it could be the case, with no in-text clues, we've no evidence for assuming it.

I guess I still liked the story anyway, warts and all.

Peace,
Syzygy

Affinity

10-14-2006, 09:50 AM

I just realized Hellion fell over and fainted/died at the end after reading the letters column!

I didn't notice that at all! ;_;

tunasammiches

10-14-2006, 10:53 AM

He just fainted. It was for comedic purposes.

Affinity

10-14-2006, 11:31 AM

Lol alright.

It's an awesome issue. I think this is their best one yet.

Vaal

10-14-2006, 11:40 AM

This is something that always concerned me a bit. I have read the issues but I do not have them as they were a friends, but what exactly was wrong with Nimrod when he came back through time and was 'held' hostage by Stryker?

What's weirder is that Stryker was able to take Nimrod apart. Nimrod is made from a incredibly durable metal, far too durable for any known saw or blade (excepot maybe wolverine's claws....I hate wolverine) to cut through.

Not only that, Nimrod has near complete control over an of his part and if separated from his body he can rebuild himself. Having his parts removed would not make him seek others for help. Nimrod can adapt and become better to survive and complete his mission. This could include assimilation of other machinery to temporarily fix himself or recharge his energy cells.

He was getting a lot of errors and being forced to reboot/reformat after every time flux. Additionally, the Purifiers would take him offline as soon as he rebooted.

So the only way he was able to get free was to occupy them with the possibility of killing mutants long enough for him to get back online.

As for taking him apart; while he's pretty indestructable in combat, he still has compartments that can be opened/components that can be removed while he's offline and unable to initiate repairs.

Volk1

10-14-2006, 11:51 AM

I'm not uptight like some of you, so I ENJOYED the Nimrod going back in time thing. Suspension of disbelief people!!

Well if you're referring to strict fans of continuity then, I agree that I'm also as not stringent as some fans, but I think the majority of fans here are not UPTIGHT of what K and Y are doing, more like....I don't know, for me the word is irksome.

I'm not going to say anything that hasn't been said before. The series has sorta grown on me after the past few arcs and I'm just taking it as it is. If Surge or Mercury had died this issue, I woulda been pissed. But it would have subsided and then I wouldn't have cared. All the death has numbed me. And as fans what can we do? Nothing. We're powerless. Marvel wants a certain product and bam! we have it. If I'm writing the book right now I don't know if I would (or could) do things any different. I mean, I would have, but I don't know what Marvel would let me get away with.

Fans have the right to complain. Some fans do take it overboard, but there are some with valid reasons for complaint after what has happened recently. Perhaps there are plotholes and inconsistencies in regards to Nimrod and/or Stryker and/or Purifiers and slight unnecessaries like Nori standing in her underwear with David, Santo, and Julian in the room and for me, how easy it was for Elixir to wake up when the writers drove home that he was pretty much "out" and "comatose".

Again, I just don't care enough to hate it. I don't. I like it. I like it because the colors are cool, the action is fast-paced, and the last few characters that I like are still alive (despite the False advertising that in this issue someone was to die (?) ) and now have a really good chace to bond. I'm also looking forward to Wither and Selene and the X-Factor appearance. (And Preview returning and gaining her powers and living! :) ) *wishes*

So my point is, fans may seem uptight - but I think also some of them like me aren't so angry but are merely "irked" by some of the things that have been done. It's like your hands are tied and you have a crazy itch on your nose and you can't scratch it.

So yeah. Less angry fanboyism and more indifferent oh-ok-next attitudes suits me fine.

Brian M.

10-14-2006, 11:54 AM

I always thought there was a lot of sexual tension between Stryker and Nimrod.

Frodo-X

10-14-2006, 11:56 AM

I always thought there was a lot of sexual tension between Stryker and Nimrod.

His name is Nimrod, he has sexual tension with everybody.

The Fury

10-14-2006, 12:15 PM

His name is Nimrod, he has sexual tension with everybody.
He's an 'It'.

Frodo-X

10-14-2006, 12:18 PM

It's Nimrod, not Nimva....

Nevermind. He's an it.

Slung

10-14-2006, 12:51 PM

How come Talon gets refered to as a sever threat and everyone is like medium to high, with forge and david being low to no factors. David didnt even change to low, rather he just became a additional combatant. Talon got pwnd just as easy as the rest, didnt see the severity of her abilities, she did open him up dang.

Because "Talon" is cool! *sarcasm*. How exactly is Forge considered completely helpless? The man has fighting skills, mystical powers and the ability to create weapons of mass destruction. How did "Talon" rate above Hellion, Surge, and Dust as a more severe threat? I would consider Mercury and Santo as high of threats as "Talon". Seems silly.

On a side note, this may be one of the first issues I actually enjoyed for sometime - though I may have enjoyed it more if Santo had actually bit the big one. I'm still mad at him for being alive and/or powered while the "main" cast of the book got killed and/or depowered.