"If _____ died, I wouldn't shed a tear."

[Justin Davis]

This type of comment came up in a recent thread. The guy who uttered it was shot down for saying it. Now, from everything else said, I agree with all the rebuttals to that comment in that thread. However, I can't say I'm clean when it comes to this particular thought crime. There is a difference between saying, "I wouldn't be upset in the least if XXXX died" and "I'd do a little dance if XXXX died." Here's one person to toss out there to this crowd on this subject.

Fred Phelps.

The man is just a horrible human being. He's so horrible that I don't think he even qualifies as a human being. From everything I've read about him, there's not one part of anyone's life that I feel would be less without him. He's just despicable. If he died, I'd feel quite comfortable saying, "Good, glad he's gone."

Here's another name: Dick Cheney.

I'm not sure I'd be upset if the man died, but I wouldn't necessarily be happy either. Besides a possible power vacuum that could likely be filled by someone as bad or, scary as it may seem to some, worse, I'd feel bad for his loved ones. I could make an easy joke about black hearts, demons, pure evil, blah blah blah, but for all I know, he may be a great husband and grandfather. That's basic empathy.

Don't like what I say? You can just go curl up in a ball and die.

[Arrjay]

If George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz and Rush Limbaugh died I wouldn't shed a tear.

I would've thrown Kenneth Lay in there too but that's already sorted.

[Typo Lad]

I'd weep if Bush died. "President Cheney" is the scariest thing I can imagine.

That said, I could care less about 99% of those society deems famous. I'd feel for their families, but beyond that, anyone who's ever been in People Magazine could basically vanish tomorrow.

[Dreadstar]

Michael Moore.

[Arrjay]

I would probably throw a party if Paris Hilton died.

[moebius]

I would probably throw a party if Paris Hilton died.

What kind of party? And would you tape it?

[Dennis K]

Yahoo Serious.

[Dennis K]

Louis Farrakhan

[Motormouse]

[FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="Navy"]George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz

All of the above plus:

Gary Bushell
Anne Coulter
Osama Bin Laden
Rupert Murdoch

[Slam_Bradley]

I don't understand how someone could get upset about a statement like that.

Aside from some family members and a few friends I wouldn't shed a tear over anyone's death. I might feel bad, but I wouldn't shed a tear.

[frankiedetroit]

Lots of people, to be honest.

But Charles Manson specifically. Why is this guy still alive? Don't they have shanks in his prison? I know he's in solitary but still...

[Gilda Dent]

I wouldn't shed a tear if I died.

Gilda

[hoffmandu]

I'd weep when Jack Nicholson dies.

[Naldo]

Any of you. :p

[Michael P]

I don't understand how someone could get upset about a statement like that.

Aside from some family members and a few friends I wouldn't shed a tear over anyone's death. I might feel bad, but I wouldn't shed a tear.
If it's the thread I'm thinking of, the statement was more like "I'm glad the bitch is dead, everyone who loves freedom is glad the bitch is dead, and I hope they tortured her for a really goddamn long time before they did it."

[Justin Davis]

I don't understand how someone could get upset about a statement like that.

Aside from some family members and a few friends I wouldn't shed a tear over anyone's death. I might feel bad, but I wouldn't shed a tear.

Well, yeah, but that's most likely because it's hyperbole. People often get upset at that because they think the person is callous for saying it.

Again, there's a difference between "I wouldn't shed a tear" and "I'd be happy".

[Slam_Bradley]

If it's the thread I'm thinking of, the statement was more like "I'm glad the bitch is dead, everyone who loves freedom is glad the bitch is dead, and I hope they tortured her for a really goddamn long time before they did it."


Ahhh...another rational and intelligent argument on the internerd.

[Justin Davis]

If it's the thread I'm thinking of, the statement was more like "I'm glad the bitch is dead, everyone who loves freedom is glad the bitch is dead, and I hope they tortured her for a really goddamn long time before they did it."

Yeah, that's the one that spawned this one, but I figured I'd turn it into a separate entity.

[Dennis K]

Paul Heyman

[howyadoin]

If it's the thread I'm thinking of, the statement was more like "I'm glad the bitch is dead, everyone who loves freedom is glad the bitch is dead, and I hope they tortured her for a really goddamn long time before they did it."So who were they talking about?

[cactusmaac]

I wouldn't shed a tear if I died.

Gilda

Well yes, to do otherwise would be somewhat impossible.

My picks would be Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein and the wanker running Sudan.

[(A)//(E)]

pretty much everyone that I don't know or care about personally doesn't get a tear from me if they're just randomly dying.
I'll sure as hell take interest when a whole lot of sentient beings start dying because of one particular thing (War, for example. Or the industries based upon exploitation of animals.) or person (anyone remember Pol Pot?); but I'm not gonna start blubbering every time some yokel from Nebraska dun git's 'et up bah th' thresher.

[Arrjay]

Anne Coulter, Rupert Murdoch

Shit. I forgot about those two.

[malephoenix]

Hmm. Yet another thread for making insults and degrading comments directed mostly towards conservatives. On CBR? No way!

[Dennis K]

Paul Begala and Axl Rose

[Slam_Bradley]

Hmm. Yet another thread for making insults and degrading comments directed mostly towards conservatives. On CBR? No way!


There doesn't seem to be anything stopping you from making degrading comments toward non-conservatives.

[Arrjay]

Yet another thread for making insults and degrading comments directed mostly towards conservatives.

Well, they were asking for it.

[Dennis K]

Bob Dylan and Nancy Reagan

[Magneto_X]

Hmm. Yet another thread for making insults and degrading comments directed mostly towards conservatives. On CBR? No way!

With the current administrayion running this how could CBR *not* react badly to (neo)conservatives?

[Dennis K]

Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reily

[Magneto_X]

Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reily

I can understand O'Reilly but why Olbermann? :confused:

[Tadhg Adams]

Keith Olbermann

But, but, think of the Big Show!

[Dennis K]

I can understand O'Reilly but why Olbermann? :confused:

Because they're both a couple of self-important cocks.

[Tadhg Adams]

I can understand O'Reilly but why Olbermann? :confused:

My guess is because of the petty spats between the two and the horribleness that is MSNBC's Countdown.

[Dennis K]

The Olson Twins and Samuel Jackson.

[Ontir]

Olbermann actually has a legitimate, historical basis for his comments, as opposed to the witless thug that is Bill O'Reilly, and he shouldn't ever be lumped in with that dolt!

[Dreadstar]

Olbermann stopped being watchable when he no longer had Dan Patrick to play off of.

[Tadhg Adams]

Olbermann stopped being watchable when he no longer had Dan Patrick to play off of.

ESPN Radio 2-3 Eastern, Monday-Friday.

[malephoenix]

There doesn't seem to be anything stopping you from making degrading comments toward non-conservatives.

Well, for one, I'm a democrat, and I don't like dissing my own party. But besides that, I just don't understand the general desire to be nasty to or about people that don't agree with me (which is why I don't join in on the Bush-bashing, even though I look forward to someone else being in the Whitehouse).

Not being "morally elitist" here; I genuinely don't get the "Hey, another chance to say republicans are idiots" tendency.

With the current administrayion running this how could CBR *not* react badly to (neo)conservatives?

But that's always been the general sentiment from largely democratic memberships (such as CBR) WHENEVER there's republicans in offices of authority. (ie: people always say that kinda thing whenever someone from the opposing party is in charge.)

[Justin Davis]

There doesn't seem to be anything stopping you from making degrading comments toward non-conservatives.

That's true. Also, I wasn't exactly setting up a thread for people to talk about the people they'd be happy to see dead. More like this:

I wouldn't be sad if Pat Robertson died.

I'd call others to gleefully spread the news if . . . hmm . . . besides Fred Phelps, I find it hard to think of someone else for this role.

EDIT: Oh, and I like Olberman's Countdown from what I've seen of it.

[Paul McEnery]

Well, for one, I'm a democrat, and I don't like dissing my own party. But besides that, I just don't understand the general desire to be nasty to or about people that don't agree with me (which is why I don't join in on the Bush-bashing, even though I look forward to someone else being in the Whitehouse).

Not being "morally elitist" here; I genuinely don't get the "Hey, another chance to say republicans are idiots" tendency.



But that's always been the general sentiment from largely democratic memberships (such as CBR) WHENEVER there's republicans in offices of authority. (ie: people always say that kinda thing whenever someone from the opposing party is in charge.)
Well, the neocons are a special case. They're fascism lite.

[Dreadstar]

... I genuinely don't get the "Hey, another chance to say republicans are idiots" tendency.

You and me both.

[Paul McEnery]

Bob Dylan, Masters of War.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

[Justin Davis]

Not being "morally elitist" here; I genuinely don't get the "Hey, another chance to say republicans are idiots" tendency.

I'm sure there are republicans that are not idiots or assholes. Just not the ones in this thread or who get most of the coverage.

[Dennis K]

Robert DeNiro and Barbara Streisand

[HomerJay]

All of the following people I consider to be "part of the problem":

- Fred Phelps
- Saddam Hussein
- Kim Jong-Il
- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
- Paris Hilton
- Nicole Ritchie
- Brent Bozell
- Barbara Streisand
- Pat Robertson
- Osama bin Laden
- Britney Spears
- Kevin Federline
- Rush Limbaugh
- The heads of MTV
- My sister-in-law and people like her

[Slam_Bradley]

You can call me callous if you want, but I can count on 3-4 hands the number of people that I would shed a tear over. It doesn't mean I want the rest of the world dead...I'm just unconcerned about their fate. Hell, I've got relatives that I could care less about. I haven't seen them in years and don't have any intention of doing so.

On the other hand I have an awful lot of important things to be irritated with to waste time being upset by the likes of Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, etc.

As always, your mileage may vary.

[Magneto_X]

Well, for one, I'm a democrat, and I don't like dissing my own party. But besides that, I just don't understand the general desire to be nasty to or about people that don't agree with me (which is why I don't join in on the Bush-bashing, even though I look forward to someone else being in the Whitehouse).

Not being "morally elitist" here; I genuinely don't get the "Hey, another chance to say republicans are idiots" tendency.

I'm a Democrat as well but I wouldn't hesitate to call on them if a Dem was wrong, voted for things I disagreed with (re: Lieberman, Hilary Clinton) or had views I don't like (re: John Kerry) or committed crimes (exspecially if they did this!).


But that's always been the general sentiment from largely democratic memberships (such as CBR) WHENEVER there's republicans in offices of authority. (ie: people always say that kinda thing whenever someone from the opposing party is in charge.)

While true the Bush Jr. cabal has definitely heated things up the political scene by doing illegal things with wanton abandon, calling critics traitors/anti-American and generally making it an us vs them atmosphere.

At least the regular conservatives I could respect and even agree with on some things (being tough on crime) but the neocons are completely insane.

[BoosterBronze]

Bob Dylan, Masters of War.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

...

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead


Gee, what is this, the end to an issue of "Civil War: Frontline?"

[macul]

This is by no means a complete list: Hillary Clinton, Michael Moore, Hussein, Phelps, Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Al Gore, computer virus engineers, Phil Fulmer.

[Dreadstar]

... computer virus engineers...

I would weep.



With joy.

[howyadoin]

I would weep.



With joy.I would too, till somebody started a thread here claiming that virus creators are freedom fighters.

[Dreadstar]

I would too, till somebody started a thread here claiming that virus creators are freedom fighters.

We kill them, too.

Come on, we'd be doing the world a favor.

[macul]

Add to that list spammers and spyware writers (which I include as virus, but not all do...).

[howyadoin]

Add to that list spammers and spyware writers (which I include as virus, but not all do...).Count me onboard with that.

[Buried Alien]

At least the regular conservatives I could respect and even agree with on some things (being tough on crime) but the neocons are completely insane.

The problem is that "regular conservatives" often get wrapped up into the same package with the extremists in these discussions.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[BYC]

All politicans.

[Magneto_X]

The problem is that "regular conservatives" often get wrapped up into the same package with the extremists in these discussions.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

True.

But that doesn't change what party the neocons are in.

I'm sure the world, and the Dems, would be a lot happier if the "true" conservatives took back your party and sent the neocons to the Hague.

[malephoenix]

While true the Bush Jr. cabal has definitely heated things up the political scene by doing illegal things with wanton abandon, calling critics traitors/anti-American and generally making it an us vs them atmosphere.

At least the regular conservatives I could respect and even agree with on some things (being tough on crime) but the neocons are completely insane.

*shrug*

I could easily counter your point, but if I understand the nature of online forums, it would just spin into an endless chicken-or-the-egg debate, apparently with the same old arguments used again and again, and neither side "winning." So back to the thread topic at hand, and some good old-fashioned republican bashing.

[Michael P]

*shrug*

I could easily counter your point, but if I understand the nature of online forums, it would just spin into an endless chicken-or-the-egg debate, apparently with the same old arguments used again and again, and neither side "winning." So back to the thread topic at hand, and some good old-fashioned republican bashing.
Here, if you're going to be a martyr, you'll need one of these:

http://www.cpcboise.org/images/cross2.gif

[Justin Davis]

*shrug*

I could easily counter your point, but if I understand the nature of online forums, it would just spin into an endless chicken-or-the-egg debate, apparently with the same old arguments used again and again, and neither side "winning." So back to the thread topic at hand, and some good old-fashioned republican bashing.
Yeah, um, you’re trying to turn my nice thread about what people we wouldn’t care if they died or would be happy if they died into a mean-spirited thread about how people bash republicans. Just so happens the majority of people here want that to happen. Did you not notice the people who mentioned Al Gore, Barbara Streisand, or Michael Moore?

I’m not sure how, but you’ve managed to sully this thread with political talk.

[Harlock]

The Olson Twins and Samuel Jackson.
Okay, I draw the line there. You will cry when Samuel L. dies, mother fucker. The whole goddamn nation will weep. You will also know when he dies because there will be a great void in the awesomeness of the United-mother-fucking-States of America. Mother Fucker.

[Valmore]

Aside from some family members and a few friends I wouldn't shed a tear over anyone's death. I might feel bad, but I wouldn't shed a tear.

Sounds about right. People I know personally get tears.

Celebrities - I guess it would suck they're gone, but I'm not going to cry over them.

[ocelotrevs]

The list is endless

[Slam_Bradley]

Sounds about right. People I know personally get tears.

Celebrities - I guess it would suck they're gone, but I'm not going to cry over them.


I'd have cried when John Wayne died, but he wouldn't have liked it.

I'll probably get misty when Clint Eastwood and when Ray Bradbury pass, but it will be completely selfish, because I won't get to enjoy their new work any longer.

[Joe Rice]

If we're talking actual tears, I'd only cry for a few.

If we're talking feeling good about someone's death, I honestly can't think of anyone I'd feel good about dying.

[Calybos]

We already aren't bothered by the certain knowledge that thousands of people are dying every day... because we don't know them and don't hear about them individually.

The death of a famous person we'll likewise never meet or know personally doesn't seem such a major step away from that position.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

From Samuel Johnson. On Death.

I should be sorry to think that what engrosses the attention of my friend, should have no part of mine. Your mind is now full of the fate of Dury; but his fate is past, and nothing remains but to try what reflection will suggest to mitigate the terrours of a violent death, which is more formidable at first glance, than on a nearer and more steady view. A violent death is never very painful; the only danger is, lest it should be unprovided. But if a man can be supposed to make no provision for death in war, what can be the state which would have awakened him to the care of futurity? When would that man have prepared himself to die, who went to seek death without preparation? What then can be the reason why we lament more him that dies of a wound, than him that dies of a fever? A man that languishes with disease, ends his life with more pain, but with less virtue: he leaves no example to his friends, nor bequeaths any honour to his descendants. The only reason why we lament a Soldier's death, is, that we think he might have lived longer; yet this cause of grief is common to many other kinds of death, which are not so passionately bewailed. The truth is, that every death is violent which is the effect of accident; every death which is not gradually brought on by the miseries of age, or when life is extinguished for any other reason than that it is burnt out. He that dies before sixty, of a cold or consumption, dies, in reality, by a violent death; yet his death is borne with patience, only because the cause of his untimely end is silent and invisible. Let us endeavor to see things as they are, and then enquire whether we ought to complain. Whether to see life as it is, will give us much consolation, I know not; but the consolation which is drawn from truth if any there be, is solid and durable: that which may be derived from errour, must be, like its original, fallacious and fugitive.
Johnson: Letter to Bennet Langton

[Cephus]

My list:

George Bush
Karl Rove
Dick Cheney
Don Rumsfeld
Rush Limbaugh
Aw hell, let's make it easy and say *EVERYONE* in Bush's administration. Kill 'em all, preferably with a good sized nuke on Washington that takes out Congress as well.

Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

[Justin Davis]

If we're talking actual tears, I'd only cry for a few.

If we're talking feeling good about someone's death, I honestly can't think of anyone I'd feel good about dying.

Even Fred Phelps? He's the only one I could think of to fit that role. It's harder than most people claim if they actually take some time to think abou it (which was kind of my point in a round about way).

[Dan Apodaca]

Even Fred Phelps? He's the only one I could think of to fit that role. It's harder than most people claim if they actually take some time to think abou it (which was kind of my point in a round about way).

For me, at least, it would be more of a sense of relief, than feeling good.

[Iangould]

Okay, I draw the line there. You will cry when Samuel L. dies, mother fucker. The whole goddamn nation will weep. You will also know when he dies because there will be a great void in the awesomeness of the United-mother-fucking-States of America. Mother Fucker.

Nah, when Sam dies the entire universe will end.

[Alex]

I can't think of any public figure, politician, celebrity, sports star, would cause me too cry.
Like, if i said i wouldn't cry if Ted Kennedy died, it insinuated i would cry if John Mccain died, but i wouldn't shed a tear for any of them, since i don't know them, and their death wouldn't affect me or anyone i know.

[Mike Smash!]

What kind of party? And would you tape it?

In night vision.

[Rachel Grey]

Shrug. Too many of the dumbarse flat-scans to list.