bishop not well liked

[curefreak]

from everything ive seen in dont think bishop has really ever fit in well with the x-men
noone even said a word when he was captured by deathbird and was thought dead, and now hes running around with the o.n.e. sentinels wich makes it seem like hes taking the governments side on things especially when it involves the x-men like in x-men civil war.

[Beast]

What exactly are you trying to ask? Are you asking how readers feel about him, or about how the X-Men as a whole feel about him. Frankly I didn't like him much at all, until X-Treme X-Men. He seemed like another annoying Cable clone. Which he basically was, with the big guns and the time travel aspects.

And what do you mean 'seems like'? He is taking the government's side. He's Pro-Reg because like some of the other Pro-Reg members, he feels that if they're apart of the process, they can try to influence how things work. Not to mention he feels it legitamizes mutants, as they'd be Government employed heroes.

[Omega Alpha]

He was OK until Onslaught. Then, he lost his purpose and should have come back to his time centuries ago (no pun intended).

[curefreak]

What exactly are you trying to ask? Are you asking how readers feel about him, or about how the X-Men as a whole feel about him. Frankly I didn't like him much at all, until X-Treme X-Men. He seemed like another annoying Cable clone. Which he basically was, with the big guns and the time travel aspects.

And what do you mean 'seems like'? He is taking the government's side. He's Pro-Reg because like some of the other Pro-Reg members, he feels that if they're apart of the process, they can try to influence how things work. Not to mention he feels it legitamizes mutants, as they'd be Government employed heroes.
i never really asked anything i just expressed my opinions and let the pieces fall where they may
and youre right about the annoying cable clone part where at least cable has some semblance of a personality sometimes bishop frankly has none.
i dont think its gonna help him to work with the government that never turns out good and its gonna leave him disenfranchised from the x-men if he wasnt already.
the real issue on my mind was why didnt anyone even mention bishop when he was thought dead for months? it just seems kind of cold hearted to me.

[Affinity]

He needs to steal that SLICK X-Men Fairy Tales look he had!

[Beast]

He needs to steal that SLICK X-Men Fairy Tales look he had!
*Sighs fondly* I really would love to see another mini like that. Especially if we get another story set in the first issue's universe. I thought it was incredibly cute and the best of the mini. :)

[Affinity]

Have sales been released? Did the series do good?

It was all a bunch of fun.

[Beast]

Have sales been released? Did the series do good?

It was all a bunch of fun.
Lemme check.... eww... it didn't do great. But it is getting traded. :)

May - #99 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #1 (Of 4) 22,922
June - #106 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #2 (Of 4) 18,817
July - #114 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #3 (Of 4) 18,103
August - #119 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #4 (Of 4) 17,123

[Valmore]

Lemme check.... eww... it didn't do great. But it is getting traded. :)

May - #99 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #1 (Of 4) 22,922
June - #106 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #2 (Of 4) 18,817
July - #114 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #3 (Of 4) 18,103
August - #119 X-MEN FAIRY TALES #4 (Of 4) 17,123

The only one I read was #4 (of course). It was pretty good, but probably needed a few more pages - it felt kind of rushed.

And I like Bishop now more than I did when he first arrived. For much of the same reasons Beast said - Cable/Big Gun clone of the 90's.

[Gene M.]

It's because he's black! RACISTS!

[Canemacar]

It's because he's black! RACISTS!

Wow! So Hudlin posts here too? :P

[Beast]

Wow! So Hudlin posts here too? :P
He has a couple times. We like to not think about it.

[curefreak]

He has a couple times. We like to not think about it.
doesnt anyone like him?(besides me of course)

[Beast]

doesnt anyone like him?(besides me of course)
Who? Reggie Hudlin or Bishop?

[curefreak]

Who? Reggie Hudlin or Bishop?
reginald hudlin.

[twilight]

reginald hudlin.

No.
Nobody likes him because he's crazy and he's been molesting continuity ever since he started writing comics.

[curefreak]

No.
Nobody likes him because he's crazy and he's been molesting continuity ever since he started writing comics.
can you give me an example of the continunity hes molested?

[Beast]

can you give me an example of the continunity hes molested?
Go do some research on the Marvel Universe board, there's an entire thread or eight.

[Canemacar]

I heard he rewrote a bit of Captain America history. Supposedly Cap had originally impressed T'Challa's father with his sense of honor and was given Vibranium for his shield, but Hudlin rewrote parts of it where Cap lost a fight with T'Challa but America covered it up because they didn't want people to know Cap had lost to a black man.

[tetragene]

I heard he rewrote a bit of Captain America history. Supposedly Cap had originally impressed T'Challa's father with his sense of honor and was given Vibranium for his shield, but Hudlin rewrote parts of it where Cap lost a fight with T'Challa but America covered it up because they didn't want people to know Cap had lost to a black man.

Please tell me you are kidding... They actually let that crap see the light of day?

[curefreak]

Go do some research on the Marvel Universe board, there's an entire thread or eight.
you mean our marvel universe board?

[twilight]

you mean our marvel universe board?

No,the one at www.dccomics.com.

[Beast]

you mean our marvel universe board?
No, the other one. What do you think?

[curefreak]

No, the other one. What do you think?
well obviously i didnt see anything about reginald hudlin on there...

[chemicalx]

I'm lost now are we talking about bishop or not?

Either way I'm a fan I love bishop save for his most recent stint in xmen where just before civil war. He seemed to be finding his purpose in Districtx but that title was pulled away from him. I could see him working really well in a freedom force style group (govt sponsored mutants and whatnot)

Also anyone think that Misty Knight would be a great love interest (or close friend for bishop)?

[Beast]

Also anyone think that Misty Knight would be a great love interest (or close friend for bishop)?
Why, because they're both black?

[chemicalx]

Why, because they're both black?

um no... although just because they are black doesnt mean they cant be toghther

I was thinking more along the lines of them both being tuff cop types with attitude and brains who really care about doing the right thing and taking care of their friends

[curefreak]

im still waiting for the continunity errors that twilight has mentioned....

[mybotisgone]

I like Bishop. And I like him as an X-Men. And District X was a really good comic untell both House of M and Decimation killed it. Taking away most of the mutants in the world really hurt the comic.:mad:

[ibrakeforchinwe]

This thread doesnt make any sense. Neither does the Cable one.

Oh and btw Reggie Hudlin is a horrible writer, has ANYONE read his current Black Panther run? He should have stayed at BET.

[Hi-Fi]

This thread doesnt make any sense. Neither does the Cable one.

You cracked the code. ;)

[curefreak]

This thread doesnt make any sense. Neither does the Cable one.

Oh and btw Reggie Hudlin is a horrible writer, has ANYONE read his current Black Panther run? He should have stayed at BET.
you mean the cable one i started? anyways i kinda like the black panther book he writes, but i knew next to nothing about bp cept for what i read on wikipedia and such.

[chemicalx]

You cracked the code. ;)

Is that like cracking the internet in half or is that something else??? ;)

back to bishop though I am really enjoying him in civilwar

[Colossusfan]

I really don't like Bishop. I've always found his character to be self-righteous and brutal. Then in X-Treme X-Men he was made far too powerful capable of doing just about anything, and I thought he was incredibly condescending to Thunderbird. And what was with him knowing instinctively where he was in the world all of a sudden? He never had any kind of power like that before! And I've never understood why he needs to use a gun considering his power.

[Niro]

i dnt like bishops stand in the civil war, he says he's doing it to save mutant kind but i just dnt see how he's saving mutants when he's helping the classic anti-mutant sign (sentinels) in keeping mutants all in one area. Wouldnt keeping them all in one area make it easier for any person who wants to wipe out mutants do it in one hit?

hes an idiot

[streator]

i like bishop. joe harris' bishop: the last x-man is one of my favorite solo series. i'm curious to see where he'll end up after civil war: x-men.

[jsg2295]

Getting back to the subject....I have never liked Bishop...I despise time travel characters because you figure that they could have seen some of the things that happened from the past but never get to do anything about it. Always having the lame "this is a different future than what happened to mine or the records from this period are a bit sparse".
Plus I have always hated his hair. I always see the band "Sexual Chocolate" when I see him. Even if he got a hair cut, and he might have gotten one but I havent really paid attention because I dont really follow him, I would still see him as the "SC" guy.

[curefreak]

Getting back to the subject....I have never liked Bishop...I despise time travel characters because you figure that they could have seen some of the things that happened from the past but never get to do anything about it. Always having the lame "this is a different future than what happened to mine or the records from this period are a bit sparse".
Plus I have always hated his hair. I always see the band "Sexual Chocolate" when I see him. Even if he got a hair cut, and he might have gotten one but I havent really paid attention because I dont really follow him, I would still see him as the "SC" guy.
yeah he did have an extremly retro haircut for someone from the future.

[Beast]

yeah he did have an extremly retro haircut for someone from the future.
So what? Retro stuff comes back into style all the time.

[Sentinel K]

I happen to like Bishop. I think he's a very interesting character who has come a long way. He needs to be put with Sage again. They made a cool partnership.

[jsg2295]

Plus he had a gun...I dont even remember if he could focus his powers on it because I just didnt care enough to find out.

[curefreak]

So what? Retro stuff comes back into style all the time.
you maybe right but jeri curls (i think thats what it is) arent exactly cool right now or hasnt been since the 80s so it makes his character look funny.

[Sentinel K]

Plus he had a gun...I dont even remember if he could focus his powers on it because I just didnt care enough to find out.

I don't know about when he FIRST appeared.

But now he uses his guns to focus his stored energy when he releases it.

He COULD just fire it from his hands (like he sometimes does) but I think he prefers to do it through his guns. Plus it's probably more accurate.

[jsg2295]

I don't know about when he FIRST appeared.

But now he uses his guns to focus his stored energy when he releases it.

He COULD just fire it from his hands (like he sometimes does) but I think he prefers to do it through his guns. Plus it's probably more accurate.
Well then I wished he had used his guns to accurately sheer off that horrid hair.

[Beast]

you maybe right but jeri curls (i think thats what it is) arent exactly cool right now or hasnt been since the 80s so it makes his character look funny.
He hasn't even had that hairdo in years now.

[curefreak]

Plus he had a gun...I dont even remember if he could focus his powers on it because I just didnt care enough to find out.
according to wikipedia he can ...somehow.

[Sentinel K]

He hasn't even had that hairdo in years now.

Which makes it look as if CFreak is basing his (lack of) arguement on how the character was in 1992.

Therefore rendering it irrelevant.

[curefreak]

He hasn't even had that hairdo in years now.
why are you picking on me about this? im not the one who brung it up:confused:

[Beast]

You're the one who commented about it, twice no less.
you maybe right but jeri curls (i think thats what it is) arent exactly cool right now or hasnt been since the 80s so it makes his character look funny.

[curefreak]

You're the one who commented about it, twice no less.
but youre going to ignore the guy who brought it up? that doesnt seem very fair.

[jsg2295]

If I had to write one thing about him that I liked...and this was later...it would have to be the "M" tattoo he had/has. It gave him a little personality and connected with his aboriginal origin.
Come to think of it...I dont know if I have seen an Austrailian Aborigine with a tattoo on his face, so I might be wrong on this. If I am, then I really dont like this character.

[Beast]

but youre going to ignore the guy who brought it up? that doesnt seem very fair.
He didn't need to be corrected, you did. Since you seem to believe he's had that hairdo anytime recently.

[curefreak]

He didn't need to be corrected, you did. Since you seem to believe he's had that hairdo anytime recently.
i never said or implied that he did.

[Arrjay]

Curefreak. I think you hate me.

Every thread you start is devoted to dissing a character I love.

First Cable.

Now Bishop.

Next thread you make will probably be devoted to hating Rachel Grey.

At which point I will be forced to kill you.

Peace.

[jsg2295]

I actually got all the issues of "District-X" and for the life of me I still dont know why.

[curefreak]

Curefreak. I think you hate me.

Every thread you start is devoted to dissing a character I love.

First Cable.

Now Bishop.

Next thread you make will probably be devoted to hating Rachel Grey.

At which point I will be forced to kill you.

Peace.
OMG that was hilarious i love it .
by the way i dont hate rachel grey :)

[jsg2295]

Curefreak. I think you hate me.

Every thread you start is devoted to dissing a character I love.

First Cable.

Now Bishop.

Next thread you make will probably be devoted to hating Rachel Grey.

At which point I will be forced to kill you.

Peace.
All time travelers....dont you have love for any characters in this century? (I know that is kind of bizarre since the characters never age).

[Beast]

I actually got all the issues of "District-X" and for the life of me I still dont know why.
I avoided it also, mostly because I only like Bishop under CC's pen. Of course District X wasn't really a Bishop series, as he only had a supporting role in the series.

[Sentinel K]

i never said or implied that he did.

This implied it.

you maybe right but jeri curls (i think thats what it is) arent exactly cool right now or hasnt been since the 80s so it makes his character look funny.

[Beast]

All time travelers....dont you have love for any characters in this century? (I know that is kind of bizarre since the characters never age).
Technically, Cable would be a character from this century. I'd prefer him as Lil Nathan though. ;)

[Sentinel K]

All time travelers....dont you have love for any characters in this century? (I know that is kind of bizarre since the characters never age).

But all those characters have grown BEYOND their time travel backgrounds.

I find it strange how people can hate a character for an aspect of that character that hasn't been used in years.

Neither cable nor Bishop have done ANY time travel in the past 5-6 years (i'm pretty sure).

[jsg2295]

Technically, Cable would be a character from this century. I'd prefer him as Lil Nathan though. ;)
Man wouldnt that be nice...finally something from a Cyclops-Jean related area that didnt turn to mush.
I know its from Maddie but you X-Guys in-the-know..... errr..... know what I mean.

[curefreak]

Technically, Cable would be a character from this century. I'd prefer him as Lil Nathan though. ;)
beast the one thing i like about you is that even tho you always disagree with me you do it in a polite and mature manner.

[Beast]

But all those characters have grown BEYOND their time travel backgrounds.

I find it strange how people can hate a character for an aspect of that character that hasn't been used in years.

Neither cable nor Bishop have done ANY time travel in the past 5-6 years (i'm pretty sure).
Exactly. Same with people complaining that Rachel is just a clone of Jean. I have never seen her as that. She's been quite a different character in my eyes, even from her first appearances.

[Beast]

Man wouldnt that be nice...finally something from a Cyclops-Jean related area that didnt turn to mush.
I know its from Maddie but you X-Guys in-the-know..... errr..... know what I mean.
Well, Rachel isn't that bad. But yes, Cable's horribly convuluted.

[jsg2295]

But all those characters have grown BEYOND their time travel backgrounds.

I find it strange how people can hate a character for an aspect of that character that hasn't been used in years.

Neither cable nor Bishop have done ANY time travel in the past 5-6 years (i'm pretty sure).
True ...true...but I was there when they were introduced and so harbored an initial dislike for them at the beginning. I am apparently too shallow to get over this initial feeling.
I have gotten to like Rachel since then but I still feel she hasnt been used properly in ages.
As for Cable...he has two strikes against him....time travel and Rob L.

[curefreak]

i never understood why rachel insisted on wearing her hound costume for so long.

[jsg2295]

Exactly. Same with people complaining that Rachel is just a clone of Jean. I have never seen her as that. She's been quite a different character in my eyes, even from her first appearances.
There is no way that Rachel is a clone of Jean...you cant clone perfection. (Sorry Mr. Sinister...always hated that name).

[Beast]

i never understood why rachel insisted on wearing her hound costume for so long.
Punishment? A reminder of what she'd done? Who knows.

[Sentinel K]

True ...true...but I was there when they were introduced and so harbored an initial dislike for them at the beginning. I am apparently too shallow to get over this initial feeling.
I have gotten to like Rachel since then but I still feel she hasnt been used properly in ages.
As for Cable...he has two strikes against him....time travel and Rob L.

I really reccomend cable & deadpool.

No guns, No Liefeld, No shoulder pads.

Just a man trying to make the world a better place. He's not always necessarily likeable in the series but he's always interesting and it's hard not to be on his side.

[curefreak]

Punishment? A reminder of what she'd done? Who knows.
thats the thing is she never explained why she insisted on wearing a costume or outfit that would reminder her of all the awfull things shes done.

[jsg2295]

I really reccomend cable & deadpool.

No guns, No Liefeld, No shoulder pads.

Just a man trying to make the world a better place. He's not always necessarily likeable in the series but he's always interesting and it's hard not to be on his side.
Of all the X-related titles I read...I never have given this one a try...except the CW- related titles....What is wild, is that it is one of the few I dont get...but thanks to you I will try it out...Curse you Pete.

[Brian Cronin]

While perhaps not worded all that well, I think this is a decent enough discussion topic (okay, maybe it's not even that good of a discussion topic, but it is a discussion topic, at least).

Is Bishop liked by the other X-Men?

-Brian

[Beast]

I really reccomend cable & deadpool.

No guns, No Liefeld, No shoulder pads.

Just a man trying to make the world a better place. He's not always necessarily likeable in the series but he's always interesting and it's hard not to be on his side.
Cable & Deadpool. Meh. They should just rename it 'Attack of the 90's'. :D

[jsg2295]

While perhaps not worded all that well, I think this is a decent enough discussion topic (okay, maybe it's not even that good of a discussion topic, but it is a discussion topic, at least).

Is Bishop liked by the other X-Men?

-Brian
I dont know if the X-Men like Bishop, but I heard a rumor that Rogue didnt really like you that much after the "wet towel incident".

[Beast]

thats the thing is she never explained why she insisted on wearing a costume or outfit that would reminder her of all the awfull things shes done.
Like I said, it's quite possible that it was to punish herself, and remind herself of what she'd done. Just a means of re-enforcing her desire to never do those things again.

[Sentinel K]

Cable & Deadpool. Meh. They should just rename it 'Attack of the 90's'. :D

Clearly you haven't read it.

You're actually being a bit of a hypocrite, because no doubt your judging it on both Cable and deadpool from the nineties. It SOOOOO isn't like that.

Beast, I challenge you to read the first 15 issues and THEN if you don't like it then fair enough.

[curefreak]

While perhaps not worded all that well, I think this is a decent enough discussion topic (okay, maybe it's not even that good of a discussion topic, but it is a discussion topic, at least).

Is Bishop liked by the other X-Men?

-Brian
i think thats what i meant to say originally (i dont know why i have such a hard time expressing myself on here) anyways thanks for supporting my thread brian.

[Beast]

Clearly you haven't read it.

You're actually being a bit of a hypocrite, because no doubt your judging it on both Cable and deadpool from the nineties. It SOOOOO isn't like that.

Beast, I challenge you to read the first 15 issues and THEN if you don't like it then fair enough.
But that would require me actually having to buy something, I have no interest in.

[curefreak]

Like I said, it's quite possible that it was to punish herself, and remind herself of what she'd done. Just a means of re-enforcing her desire to never do those things again.
thats entirely possible but like i said they never explained it so we can only theorize .

[Beast]

Re: Rachel's costume...

I checked UncannyXmen.Net and it seems to explain why she chose to wear the Hound costume so long.

After Rachel returned from the Mojoverse and joined Excalibur, she openly wore her Hound outfit, apparently as a sign that she had overcome her troubled past. [Excalibur: The Sword is Drawn]

[curefreak]

Re: Rachel's costume...

I checked UncannyXmen.Net and it seems to explain why she chose to wear the Hound costume so long.

After Rachel returned from the Mojoverse and joined Excalibur, she openly wore her Hound outfit, apparently as a sign that she had overcome her troubled past. [Excalibur: The Sword is Drawn]
i personally think thats a stupid reason but at least its a reason.

[Sentinel K]

But that would require me actually having to buy something, I have no interest in.

Then you have no right to diss it.

Have you never taken a chance on something?

It's weird how loads of people say they won't read Carey's X-Men cos the cast doesn't interest them. This makes no sense to me. Characters only BECOME interesting to people if you read about them.

People are strange. :confused:

[Beast]

Then you have no right to diss it.

Have you never taken a chance on something?

It's weird how loads of people say they won't read Carey's X-Men cos the cast doesn't interest them. This makes no sense to me. Characters only BECOME interesting to people if you read about them.

People are strange. :confused:
Hey, I can still dislike the concept without reading it. It's not like I'm saying the writing is crap. I'm not calling for it to be cancelled for those of you who do like it. That would be rude and assinine of me. I'm glad the book is there for people who like it. I'm just not one of those people. :)

[Gene M.]

RACISTS!..

[curefreak]

RACISTS!..
didnt you try that joke earlier?

[Gene M.]

didnt you try that joke earlier?

Who's joking?

[curefreak]

Who's joking?
then what exactly makes us racists? debating how much bishop is liked ?

[Gene M.]

then what exactly makes us racists? debating how much bishop is liked ?

Who said I called any of you racists?

[curefreak]

Who said I called any of you racists?
well one assumes when you say "racists" in big bold letters in a thread that you are probably accusing people in said thread (i rhymed !) of being racists especially if you werent joking in the first place.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

This thread is getting out of hand... Cutefreak doesnt like Bishop. We get it. Cutefreak DOES like Reggie Hudlin, for some odd reason. We get it.

Plenty of people had mullets back when Bishop showed up, 1992 was it? Who cares. This thread is starting to remind me of all(most) of the over zealous(crazy) Jean fans who write 8 page long posts about Rachel being stupid and a clone.

[curefreak]

This thread is getting out of hand... Cutefreak doesnt like Bishop. We get it. Cutefreak DOES like Reggie Hudlin, for some odd reason. We get it.

Plenty of people had mullets back when Bishop showed up, 1992 was it? Who cares. This thread is starting to remind me of all(most) of the over zealous(crazy) Jean fans who write 8 page long posts about Rachel being stupid and a clone.
youre completly misunderstanding everything first off my name is curefreak not cutefreak
second this thread is not really about wither i like or dislike bishop its about why do the x-men not seem to care about him.
and second of all i never said i didnt like reginald hudlin but i was asking why the certain poster disliked him so much and asked him to explain to me what he thinks hes done wrong(besides the cap loising to t'chaka bit)

[Beast]

youre completly misunderstanding everything first off my name is curefreak not cutefreak
second this thread is not really about wither i like or dislike bishop its about why do the x-men not seem to care about him.
and second of all i never said i didnt like reginald hudlin but i was asking why the certain poster disliked him so much and asked him to explain to me what he thinks hes done wrong(besides the cap loising to t'chaka bit)
Nitpicking someone elses spelling when yours is just as bad? Irony.

[curefreak]

Nitpicking someone elses spelling when yours is just as bad? Irony.
he misspelled my name ! twice and my spelling is usually perfect unless its a word like continunity.

[Beast]

he misspelled my name ! twice and my spelling is usually perfect unless its a word like continunity.
Or you're, completely, whether, losing, etc.

[Mikl C]

Lalalalaaaa. Bishop was sometimes fun. I like him paired with Gambit oddly enough- X-Babies, Mutant Train. He's better than Cable. X-Treme Bishop was sickening though. OutSTANding. Lolol.

[Beast]

Lalalalaaaa. Bishop was sometimes fun. I like him paired with Gambit oddly enough- X-Babies, Mutant Train. He's better than Cable. X-Treme Bishop was sickening though. OutSTANding. Lolol.
I liked X-Treme Bishop a lot. At least he grew beyond being a Cable Clone.

[Mikl C]

How so? I don't like the gateway connection either.

[Brian Cronin]

Fun while it lasted!

-Brian