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Tobias March

10-07-2006, 06:51 PM

Storm's a difficult character to pin down. Like many of the X-women she's expected to be all things to all people, but her personas are numerous. She was first introduced as an African tribal goddess (worshipped as such anyway). Then her past was delved into, her childhood as a thief in Cairo. There's the 80's when the locks were cut and she became a leather-queen quasi-bisexual punk. Suddenly she reverts to form in the 90's and the hair returns, after her brief period reduced to childhood (how many X-characters have been infantilised? Magneto was another. Cable too during House of M. Were there more?)

Then there's her recent marriage to Black Panther, which is terribly unpopular with some people, mostly due to the suddeness of it.

It is a problem that so many perceptions of her exist. While a previous relationship with T'Challa had been established, I've always felt that different writers simply fling Ororo into new character arcs with little concern over who or what she has been before.

Ororo is one of the most powerful X-Men. She's a true leader. Her depowered defeat of Cyclops for the leadership was a turning point, as was her winning the control of the Morlocks and her later 'killing', of Marrow. The backstory behind Marrow's childhood that Warren Ellis painted in the Storm limited series was fascinating as well, explained a lot.

Jean will always be seen as the first X-Woman. Emma Frost will continually be referred to as an interloper.

But I think Storm is the only one for the title. Hopefully she'll be on to bigger better things after the marriage. It would be a pity to turn Forge's 'warrior woman', into a Wakandan stay-at-home housewife.

Affinity

10-07-2006, 06:53 PM

The Mohawk and the Mohawk v2 were hot. Otherwise I don't care for her.

Hi-Fi

10-07-2006, 06:57 PM

What's cool:

http://www.a-diction.com/featr/images/storm_mohawk.gif

Hi-Fi

10-07-2006, 06:58 PM

I really like Storm, especially during the whole self-discovery era (Yukio, mohawk, X-Men leader).

Don't very much like her as princess of Wakanda, though.

Alan2099

10-07-2006, 07:03 PM

her Wakanda stuff is horribly written. It seems like they've taken the spark right out of her.

Canemacar

10-07-2006, 07:08 PM

Cool: Mohawk era under Claremont.

Uncool: Marraige to BP.

mybotisgone

10-07-2006, 07:50 PM

her Wakanda stuff is horribly written. It seems like they've taken the spark right out of her.
Well your right. Storm's Wakanda page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_%28Marvel_character%29) is all messed up. The hole marriage of Storm and the Black Panther was one big of a mistake. What did Marvel call it the "wedding of the century". Did eneyone even care about it?:(

Valmore

10-07-2006, 08:35 PM

Cool: Sexy outfits.

Uncool: That stupid mohawk.

Omega Alpha

10-07-2006, 08:40 PM

kel25

10-07-2006, 09:08 PM

Cool: Umm ahhh............................................hu h I got nothing.
Uncool: To much for me to list and I don't really feel like explaing all my reasons.

Storm and Jean Grey, and Wolverine are my top 3 least liked X characters. I know these three are loved by many but they're a sour note to me.

sherlockbones

10-07-2006, 09:15 PM

Cool: Until Uncanny X-men #172, when she fought Callisto and stabbed her in the heart. She was an actual character then.

Uncool: From this issue on, she became the prototype of Claremont's "beautiful, strong, independent and in charge of her own destiny woman with lesbianism hints", and it never recovered.

i think it is a little to early to judge if storm degenerates into a stupid, little housewife now that she is married to wakanda´s chief pimp.

bp is not snoop dog!

Flameworthy

10-07-2006, 09:19 PM

I may be one of the few, but I actually liked Storm a lot better before the Mohawk era. She just seemed to be a really kind and loving person. Then after she went off to find herself or whatever she just became (or at least to me) so cold and distant. Oh, and I never really liked the Mohawk at all either.

xgeek52

10-07-2006, 09:42 PM

you need to realize that when marvel editors don't know what to do with an xmen character they either kill them or send them into limbo until they come up with answers...house of m elimitated a lot of characters, and lets not let me get started with jean grey and the death and rebirth of scott summers...

i like the character of ororo munroe...but she's been through as many changes as scott summer and jean grey...she was a leader and to throw her into limbo this way was a mistake...

and marvel is gonna realize it in about a year or two...

Omega Alpha

10-07-2006, 10:03 PM

Christopher O

10-07-2006, 10:18 PM

Storm and Jean Grey, and Wolverine are my top 3 least liked X characters. I know these three are loved by many but they're a sour note to me.
Out of curiousity, do you dislike them because they happen to be, like, three of the four (or five) most popular and prominent X-Men? Or are there actual story reasons? I ask because many people, myself included, are sometimes guilty of disliking a thing simply because everyone else likes it.

Anyway, I love Storm. She's probably my favorite comic book character, period. I appreciate her powers and her striking visual. I also appreciate her strength and significance. At a time when Sue Storm was still fainting and sighing and playing the damsel and Wonder Woman was still playing second fiddle to Batman and Superman, Storm--a black woman--was taking care of herself, saving her teammates, and, of course, kicking Cyclops' ass sans powers and running a team that would ultimately become the most popular and successful super-hero franchise. She has real social significance, at least in the comic book community, and I really admire that. More than that, I appreciate that she's remote, serene, and sometimes hard and cold. Not every character can be a point of view character, and not every character should be easily identified with. Variety is good. The problem is that we generally don't get any motivation or tension from Storm's distant manner. Anyway, this happened a bit during Claremont's first run, but for the most part, I loved his take on the character during that Golden Age.

For me, things really took a dive when Scott Lobdell came into the picture, and she never really recovered. Even Claremont's return did little for her. She simply went from wallpaper (under Lobdell) to reruns of herself from Claremont's previous run. Of course, she's had a few bright but all too brief moments since her Golden Age, and those under the likes of Morrison and Pak--both of which seemed to understand her better than most--and even Bendis and his partner in crime, Olivier Coipel, managed to capture a fraction of the grace and grandeur in the House of M. Currently, she's being pulled through the mud, but it happens. Besides, when one hits rock bottom, the only place to go is up.

chemicalx

10-07-2006, 10:27 PM

Anyway, I love Storm. She's probably my favorite comic book character, period. I appreciate her powers and her striking visual. I also appreciate her strength and significance. At a time when Sue Storm was still fainting and sighing and playing the damsel and Wonder Woman was still playing second fiddle to Batman and Superman, Storm--a black woman--was taking care of herself, saving her teammates, and, of course, kicking Cyclops' ass sans powers and running a team that would ultimately become the most popular and successful super-hero franchise. She has real social significance, at least in the comic book community, and I really admire that. More than that, I appreciate that she's remote, serene, and sometimes hard and cold. Not every character can be a point of view character, and not every character should be easily identified with. Variety is good. The problem is that we generally don't get any motivation or tension from Storm's distant manner. Anyway, this happened a bit during Claremont's first run, but for the most part, I loved his take on the character during that Golden Age.

For me, things really took a dive when Scott Lobdell came into the picture, and she never really recovered. Even Claremont's return did little for her. She simply went from wallpaper (under Lobdell) to reruns of herself from Claremont's previous run. Of course, she's had a few bright but all too brief moments since her Golden Age, and those under the likes of Morrison and Pak--both of which seemed to understand her better than most--and even Bendis and his partner in crime, Olivier Coipel, managed to capture a fraction of the grace and grandeur in the House of M. Currently, she's being pulled through the mud, but it happens. Besides, when one hits rock bottom, the only place to go is up.

Im too lazy to write so i will just second everything here

mybotisgone

10-07-2006, 10:35 PM

I liked Storm. I really don't like the hole so called "Wedding of the Century.":rolleyes: The wedding of Storm and the Black Panther is just turing out to be nothing but a big mistake.

I din't mind Claremont saying that she could be a bi or not that was fine. I din't care for the Mohawk thing but I was ok with that. But yea, I liked her as an X-Men. I hope Marvel bring her back and makes her an X-Men again because I really don't like what Marvel as done to her character at this pont.:(

chemicalx

10-07-2006, 10:38 PM

creaky

10-07-2006, 10:40 PM

I sort of like Storm more as an icon than an actual character. Meaning, she looks nice on posters and it's nice to have a strong female character and all that, but actually READING about her, she becomes annoying very quickly. I guess because, like Wolverine, she's so often been written as a fantastic, huge deal, better than you, better than me, better than anybody.

My opinion of her was further lowered when reading Claremont's love triangle between her, Nightcrawler and Wolverine. She would happily flirt with Nightcrawler, then kiss Wolverine right in front of him? Cold.

I semi-liked her mohawk period as well as her part during the Brood arc (for some reason. I think it was mostly Claremont's ideas that I found interesting), but even then she was a little bit much. Now I agree her marriage to BP is just wrong, but I frankly don't miss her much. I prefer characters that are easier to relate to.

Oh yeah, and her background story is pretty much a Modesty Blaise rip-off.

mybotisgone

10-07-2006, 11:08 PM

The sad thing was I always thought that they would have made a great couple and now because of bad writing (IMO) everyone has been turned off by the possibility. I think that if the two characters were put in more capable hands and a good story of why they can really love each other was written the relationship would be easier to swallow.
No, the thing is that most readers saw the Wedding of Storm and the Black Panther as a racists story. It don't matter who they got no matter how good or bad the they get for it. It was just a bad idea from the start.:(

Frodo-X

10-07-2006, 11:08 PM

I never really liked her in the animated series. The cheesy way she always narrated her powers always bugged me. Picture any other X-man doing it.

"I summon the full power of ADAMANTIUM!!"
"Eyes, unleash your FURY!"
Cheesy.

jen

10-07-2006, 11:27 PM

I LOVE Storm!!! She totally rocks. I HATE her marriage to BP!!! >:(

She needs a divorce and right away. Anyone know a good lawyer?

Valmore

10-07-2006, 11:30 PM

I LOVE Storm!!! She totally rocks. I HATE her marriage to BP!!! >:(

She needs a divorce and right away. Anyone know a good lawyer?

Matt Murdock?

Frodo-X

10-07-2006, 11:32 PM

Matt Murdock?

I think he's busy in France.

mybotisgone

10-07-2006, 11:36 PM

Matt Murdock?
Sorry but Civil War says he can't be a lawyer anymore.:(

chemicalx

10-08-2006, 12:12 AM

No, the thing is that most readers saw the Wedding of Storm and the Black Panther as a racists story. It don't matter who they got no matter how good or bad the they get for it. It was just a bad idea from the start.:(

no doubt that the wedding was poorly marketed but I still dont see why they cant be together. It worked well in Earth x and several other alternate realities

mybotisgone

10-08-2006, 12:41 AM

no doubt that the wedding was poorly marketed but I still dont see why they cant be together. It worked well in Earth x and several other alternate realities
I don't know about poorly marketed they did show off Storm's wedding dress on TV Guide. Ok, maybe that was poorly marketed.:( Now I can't tell you if it worked on Earth x and other alternate realities do to the fact that I never seened them. All I know is that the so called "Wedding of the Century":rolleyes: that it is not and I only keep bring up that "Wedding of the Century" crap it because Marvel keep showing us that crap over and over again. We'll just put that down as another poorly marketed idea.:(

Marvel you'r so called "Wedding of the Century" sucked!

d newton

10-08-2006, 12:56 AM

The wedding of Storm and the Black Panther is just turing out to be nothing but a big mistake.

Her Wakanda stuff is horribly written. It seems like they've taken the spark right out of her.
So as soon as she showed up in Wakanda and married T'Challa, people are moaning at Marvel for doing it at all? :rolleyes:

mybotisgone

10-08-2006, 01:06 AM

So as soon as she showed up in Wakanda and married T'Challa, people are moaning at Marvel for doing it at all? :rolleyes:
What??? I never said that Marvel made Storm's Wakanda page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_%28Marvel_character%29). I just said that marvel screwed up the hole so called "Wedding of the Century" thing. The Wakanda page is done by other people.:confused:

steve2275

10-08-2006, 01:14 AM

kool
storm herself

not cool
not currently an x man

d newton

10-08-2006, 01:24 AM

I'm not sure why you used the confused smile at the end of your comment? People were complaining why Storm was in T'Challa's own country and the wedding so I combined the two problems into one.

mybotisgone

10-08-2006, 01:42 AM

I'm not sure why you used the confused smile at the end of your comment? People were complaining why Storm was in T'Challa's own country and the wedding so I combined the two problems into one.
Sorry it just sounded like you where saying that Storm's Storm's Wakanda page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_%28Marvel_character%29) was done by Marvel. When Wikipedia is done by other people so I was just confused.

CE_Rap

10-08-2006, 01:58 AM

The wedding sucked because it was TOO DAMN SUDDEN!! Fans were probably expecting something having to do with Forge LOOOONG before even considering Black Panther in teh running. It felt so forced, i couldn't breathe. And the Civil War tie-in it became was *Pttttttt*!

How was it even the wedding of the century??? THat's a very bold title. Jean and Scott's wedding was far deeper and handled far better.

I don't see the problem with them being together at all. Not at all. THat's not the problem for me. I think they go very well together. But they hadn't really rekindled or redeveloped their love realistically enough for me to say, "I could see them married." Not by a longshot. That's my main dispute. Marvel not only fed us this crap, they shoved it down our throats.

The other thing is that, the "Wedding of the Century", to me, implied that something mega-bigly-hugely-Joomongous was gonna happen. ...........................................to my sore chagrin...............NOTHING DID. In fact, it was one of the most BORING issues i'd ever read.

In a nutshell, Storm should never have left for Africa to STAY there. That's too extreme for us. We want her presence.

Way back when, I thought this wedding would mean she'd be an Avenger. She could totally do that gig and kill at it. Imagine her with the current crew, as a matter of fact (The pre-Civil War one), minus wolverine please. What an interesting set of personalities that would be. MAybe she'd see in Luke Cage similarities and differences between Bishop. She'd understand why CAptain AMerica is so respected. Maybe she'd even quarrel with Tony because he's such an A-hole:D

ANyway.....................ever since Storm ripped Marrow's heart out, she gained my respect as a fan. Now she's lost her steam, due highly impart because of her inconcsistent personality scripting. THat Wolverine-Kurt S$#@ was dumb to me. And why the F____ is Bishop crying on the Wedding cover?!?! Did he lust for her too?? (Damn, Storm must be crazy hot, huh?)

I always believed Storm to be a warrior. A "Wonder Woman"-esque leader with powerful conviction, yet with endearing devotion. She's the soul to me, and creators need to remember that no matter how cold she's been or might be, she will always be loving.

The Mirrorball Man

10-08-2006, 02:43 AM

The last time I was interested in the character was when she was powerless, a long, long time ago. Since then, she has become this inhuman caricature of godlike aloofness, and I've lost all interest in her. The only way to make her interesting again is to reinvent her from the ground up, and maybe her marriage is the way to do that.

Grunty

10-08-2006, 05:09 AM

Okay lets see.

Whats Cool: That she is able to win against strong opponen even without using her powers (or without having them) examples. Cyclops, Callisto, Marrow. Also that she is able to kill if necesary again shown with Callisto and Marrow as prominent examples (both had luck surviving). That she a good team leader.

Whats Uncool: Next to the mariage to Black Panther (which means that she won't get the leadership of a X-team in near future nor playing a role in a comic).
I really dislike the whole linage thing with her being the youngest part of a bloodline that goes back till the dawn of man.
WTF that totaly ruins her character! Now people will say that she is only strong because of her lineage and not because she was able to do all that by herself.

Also comments like this one of Marrow get a sad truth when you think about it.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8337/sadbuttrueeo0.jpg

Hmm didn't had Marrow when she first apeared as Sarah the powers to sense the truth in people? :p

Mikl C

10-08-2006, 04:06 PM

Vintage goddess storm: cool.
Mohawk storm: beyond cool.
90's storm in white outfit: not cool.
90's storm, purple outfit, long sections of hair: cool.
X-treme storm: disgustingly uncool.
Black panther Storm: uncool.

X-Factor

10-08-2006, 05:07 PM

LordAllMighty

10-08-2006, 05:07 PM

Storm in the 70's and 80's was pretty cool
Storm in the 90's not cool
Storm right now, I'm not sure. She in the middle with me right now.:(

Kal

10-08-2006, 05:08 PM

Powerless Storm: Cool
Queen of Wakanda Storm: Uncool
Young Storm being disvirgined by annoying arrogant T'Challa: Very uncool
Storm fighting Callisto and ripping Marrow's heart out: Sooooo coooool
Storm not being a member of the Avengers: Uncool
Storm not being with Namor, Cable or Thor: UNCOOL

kel25

10-08-2006, 07:39 PM

Davideaux

10-08-2006, 07:53 PM

Storm has always been one of my favorites. But her character is really running on fumes... She's become stale, too mighty, too aloof. I don't want to bring her back to earth but I would like her to be the fun, classy broad she used to be.

steve2275

10-08-2006, 09:47 PM

90's storm in white outfit: not cool.
i thought it was cool

d newton

10-08-2006, 10:40 PM

I'm with you up to here:
Black panther Storm: uncool.
At least she can avoid the mess that's called "Civil War" if she's with T'Challa!
:D

Babylon23

10-09-2006, 12:44 AM

Cool: Her character development from her introduction to Claremont's departure in 1991. Her transformation from aloof goddess to hardened warrior with the loss of her powers, then to a balance between the two.

Uncool: Just about everything since. She's had her moments (the battle with Marrow, parts of X-Treme, the recent Uncanny Annual), but they've been few and far between.

darkwolf

10-09-2006, 04:28 AM

Cool- She's hot, great leader, strong independent woman, great potential
Not Cool- Mrs. Panther, as that i like Scott but i can't date him because of Jean thing, Mohawk era, she should be X-teams co-leader with Scott and not some average member.

mybotisgone

10-09-2006, 05:11 AM

i thought it was cool
Your not alone on that. I and a lot of people seen to like that outfit (http://marvel1.scanz.tripod.com/image-marvel/marvel/Marvel1995Fleer_Storm-GoldTeam.jpg).:D

mybotisgone

10-09-2006, 05:13 AM

I'm with you up to here:

At least she can avoid the mess that's called "Civil War" if she's with T'Challa!
:D
Sorry to tell you this but that crappy Wedding is now going to be a big part of Civil War. And yes I hate it to.:(

Pach!

09-25-2007, 10:36 AM

For those discussing Storm in the Frenzy thread, please do it here.

Erik Lehnsherr

09-25-2007, 12:05 PM

Storm is the best mutant alive right now. She has political strength...is in the public eye working for the "World's Greatest Heroes"...and is a good representative for peaceful coexistence with humans. Storm in 2007 is a great read.

Fatguy

09-25-2007, 12:15 PM

What's cool:

http://www.a-diction.com/featr/images/storm_mohawk.gif

I wish she'd go back to the mohawk, that thing was badass :cool:

Phil Hunn

09-25-2007, 12:51 PM

Porcelain

09-25-2007, 05:54 PM

Out of curiousity, do you dislike them because they happen to be, like, three of the four (or five) most popular and prominent X-Men? Or are there actual story reasons? I ask because many people, myself included, are sometimes guilty of disliking a thing simply because everyone else likes it.

Anyway, I love Storm. She's probably my favorite comic book character, period. I appreciate her powers and her striking visual. I also appreciate her strength and significance. At a time when Sue Storm was still fainting and sighing and playing the damsel and Wonder Woman was still playing second fiddle to Batman and Superman, Storm--a black woman--was taking care of herself, saving her teammates, and, of course, kicking Cyclops' ass sans powers and running a team that would ultimately become the most popular and successful super-hero franchise. She has real social significance, at least in the comic book community, and I really admire that. More than that, I appreciate that she's remote, serene, and sometimes hard and cold. Not every character can be a point of view character, and not every character should be easily identified with. Variety is good. The problem is that we generally don't get any motivation or tension from Storm's distant manner. Anyway, this happened a bit during Claremont's first run, but for the most part, I loved his take on the character during that Golden Age.

For me, things really took a dive when Scott Lobdell came into the picture, and she never really recovered. Even Claremont's return did little for her. She simply went from wallpaper (under Lobdell) to reruns of herself from Claremont's previous run. Of course, she's had a few bright but all too brief moments since her Golden Age, and those under the likes of Morrison and Pak--both of which seemed to understand her better than most--and even Bendis and his partner in crime, Olivier Coipel, managed to capture a fraction of the grace and grandeur in the House of M. Currently, she's being pulled through the mud, but it happens. Besides, when one hits rock bottom, the only place to go is up.

Huge ditto.

I loved Storm not just for the striking visual, but because she was constantly evolving (nature metaphor) and trying to find her place in the changing world. Personal identity and it's change over time as your discover and experience more is a hugely emotive theme, especially when you tie it into emotional and social interaction. Her ironic dicohotmy has always been that despite her social/emotional experience in a social sense, as a leader she always followed her heart & spoke it - her time without her powers probably the best example and a rare case of a focus on the character of leadership.

Storm's always been at her best when she's evolving and her worst when she's allowed to stagnate, generally becoming a caricature. She's not done too well for a time now, but then she's a difficult character to understand because she is ridiculously complex and it's too easy to pick off a few simple traits (i.e. she's black, claustrophobic, used to be a goddess and speaks funny).

I tried following her into BP but it drove me up the wall that any woman could still be written that way to be frank. Unfortunately she's been relegated to "My sole purpose is to make BP look good/manly" - though that's by no means confined to her in the issues I read. Left such a bad taste it's put me off trying FF4, but will be interesting to see her role post MC.

P.S. I am a mohawk and almond/cats' eye lover (which I miss!) - loved the original concept of her being a visual mis-mash (earth child metaphor) resulting in her being extra exotic rather than a generic ethnic visual.

d newton

09-25-2007, 10:50 PM

Sorry to tell you this but that crappy Wedding is now going to be a big part of Civil War. And yes I hate it to.
Show me where it was a part of CW? And you misspelt "too". :D

Omega Alpha

09-25-2007, 10:54 PM

What's cool? Absolutely nothing.

Matthew K.

09-25-2007, 10:58 PM

I'm jonesing for some 80s mohawk Storm

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3239/xmeninline3wx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ahh...the great 1980s line-up

bluedmighty

09-26-2007, 12:17 AM

I'm a huge Storm fan.

For all the reasons that people have listed above.

However,

Cool:

I may be one of the few that like her still.

Storm Queen of The Wakandans :)

I don't think that Hudlin is doing a HORRIBLE job (My ONLY gripe is the Clor fight). In fact I can relate to the issues before and leading up to the wedding. The world tour arch was good.

She was VERY stong in that arch and feircly protective. She was ready to fight Doom after trashing a room full of Doombots for slamming BP.

Hudlin and McDuffie have also done more with her powers in the last 7 issues then has been done with the character in the last 7 years.

I'm lovin her in everything.

Not Cool:

Except Uncanny right now.

Then again, I can't wait for the next issue.
It's make or break time Bru. The cave in made sure of that. :evilsmile

GoingGreen

09-26-2007, 08:08 AM

Since her Mowhawk days, Storm's character has transgressed into the most boring leader of X-Men I can think of. Ugh and not cool.

She has a pompousness about her that a lot of her fans (not all of you, so don't get angry) inherit, and believe she's the epitome of greatness... that if she were alive and well, they would worship her and stone those who didn't. She thinks she's a goddess and now she's a Queen. Looks like egotism's staying.

Her magical origins make no sense to me, and really... just bore me even more. Thank god she doesn't use these, because a powerhouse mutant AND magician... I couldn't take it.

What I LIKE about Storm? I've always felt that the idea of her was great. A strong willed, limited powerhouse with some fatal flaws that you'd learn to love. She's just turned into something I hate.

Erik Lehnsherr

09-26-2007, 10:26 AM

Storm is pound 4 pound the best X-character that appears around these days. She has been strong willed...didn't need to be a dependent device like Jean and Betsy were with Cyclops and Archangel. And if it's anyone leading the BP/Storm tandem, it's more of her callling the shots. Which is what I figured would happen.

GoingGreen

09-26-2007, 10:42 AM

Pro

09-26-2007, 11:05 AM

Best Storm period for me was ironically when she'd lost her powers. The transformation she went through was interesting to watch and flowed from her situation quite naturally. Her strength showed even stronger without her powers during the fight with Cyclops than it would have with her powers intact.
Another favorite storm storyarc when she regained her powers during the Adversary storyarc.
Also liked the backup story where she returned to africa and helped give birth to a young woman and befriended a dying medicine man.(artist: Barry Windsor Smith).

Erik Lehnsherr

09-26-2007, 11:08 AM

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, as am I to mine. As for Jean and Betsy's dependencies, it really depended on the writer. Granted, Jean was always very wishy-washy in Scott's presence, Betsy is one of the Claremontizons, but Storm was just his special pet. Again, my opinion is that she bores me to tears. From the late '80s on.

She bored you to tears and Cyclops, Jean, and Angel, before the Archangel transformation, bored me to tears. That's life but she's still the most powerful mutant, politically, going today right now.

GoingGreen

09-26-2007, 11:14 AM

Politically, sure. Physically: no. And that doesn't make me like her anymore, lol.

Her being Queen of Wakanda and an X-Man/FF really doesn't work in my mind, either. But whatever. That's Marvel.

Erik Lehnsherr

09-26-2007, 11:30 AM

She's the one ordering Shield agents to stop or face the conquences. So she's pretty powerful and she's not as powerful as Exodus or Xavier, but she's one of the most powerful remaining mutants on the planet.

bluedmighty

09-26-2007, 12:59 PM

She thinks she's a goddess and now she's a Queen. Looks like egotism's staying.

Common misconception. Storm does not think she's a godddess. She was worshipped as such before Charlie told her she was a Mutant.
She herself never claimed to be a godess. But she won't back down from a diety, or tough task either.

Her magical origins make no sense to me, and really... just bore me even more. Thank god she doesn't use these, because a powerhouse mutant AND magician... I couldn't take it.

Why not?

You're entitled to your opinion, However I'd like to point out that magic has been apart of her character for a long time (since the 70's early 80's):

However,
Emma now thurns into Diamonds.
Cyclop's Optic blasts are now dimensional arpituers.
Jean Grey went from concentrating to move a cup to the White Phoenix of the Crown. She now lives in a white hot room.
Iceman whent from coating himself in ice to BEING ice and immortal.
Wolverine whent from healing fast to being immortal.
Pete used to be class 80, now he's class 100.
Angel turned into Archangel (coolest) then went back to Angel (Blue skin white wings (boo))then became a cheribim or saraphim with healing blood (wtf).
Betsy=WAY to much to type

Characters change and grow. Unfortunately, in the X-books, Storm always seemed to be the one left out of real forward progress.

She has that now.

What I LIKE about Storm? I've always felt that the idea of her was great. A strong willed, limited powerhouse with some fatal flaws that you'd learn to love. She's just turned into something I hate.

So if she were "weaker" you could "learn to love her"?

As opposed to her being written better?

GoingGreen

09-26-2007, 01:17 PM

First, I'd like to point out that this thread is not called, "I love Storm." If it were, I would not have posted here. So, I don't know if you guys are trying to say that I'm wrong for disliking her or something, but trying to deconstruct my dislike for Storm will not change my opinion.

Characters grow, yes. And STORM of all people has grown TREMENDOUSLY! As I've said, I liked her up until the late 80's. Granted, I started reading after this period of time, I developed my opinion of her (disliked her) and went back to read the more "classic" issues, and I really enjoyed her. Up until the late eighties.

I did not like the magic aspect introduced, but still enjoyed her appearances Until? You guessed it, the late eighties.

Characters certainly grow and develop. However, most of the examples you gave cannot count, because Storm has developed the same way... further evolved their mutations to be more powerful mutants. Jean becoming the Phoenix and Angel's change into Archangel are exceptions of your post, however. Angel was an underdog when it came to powers. All he could do was fly. So could Jean. And Iceman could skate on iceslides. So, when Angel's character started drying up, they needed to bring in a new aspect to his powers, to put him on the same level as the rest of the X-Men. Hence, Archangel. As for Jean as the Phoenix, I hated this. For a looong time, I hated this aspect of her. I'm still not entirely keen to the idea, but what's funny is, I like Rachel's connection to the Phoenix. So figure that one out.

Storm's connection to magic is pointless, to me. She's powerful enough as a mutant. Giving her magical abilities as well would make her omnipotent, and a character that needed to die, much like Phoenix has done over and over.

Storm is left out of forward progress? *laughs hysterically* right. Read her original appearances, and her current appearances, and try and tell me that she hasn't progressed into the unstoppable Storm. *vomits* You realize, the more I talk about the things I can't stand about her, the more I can't stand her.

Oh, and PS: Yes, if she weren't as powerful, I would enjoy her character more. A hero that admits defeat is far more interesting than a hero that won't be beaten. That's why half the X-Men I dislike are the ones who are almost never written in defeat.

DDM

09-26-2007, 01:39 PM

COOL: Storm's slow transformation from serene "goddess" to become the X-Men's leader when Cyclops & Xavier left the team; as a result, she fundamentally changed, yet remained true to herself. The greatest character growth came when--after Storm embraced her all too human passions--to only lose her elemental powers months later. Yet she returned to the X-Men stronger than ever. The team's darkest hour remains The Mutant Massacre when Logan & Ororo kept the X-Men together & reformed the team with new members such as Psylocke, Dazzler, Longshot, & Havok to replace Colossus, Shadowcat, & Nightcrawler. Ororo has not been the same since Chris Claremont stopped writing her in 1991.

UNCOOL: Storm's awful marriage to Black Panther. She's become a subordinate & forgotten the X-Men. This is completely against Ororo's nature. Stupid editors.

bluedmighty

09-26-2007, 02:10 PM

I don't know if you guys are trying to say that I'm wrong for disliking her or something, but trying to deconstruct my dislike for Storm will not change my opinion.

I wouldn't dream of it :D

Characters grow, yes. And STORM of all people has grown TREMENDOUSLY! As I've said, I liked her up until the late 80's. Granted, I started reading after this period of time, I developed my opinion of her (disliked her) and went back to read the more "classic" issues, and I really enjoyed her. Up until the late eighties. I did not like the magic aspect introduced, but still enjoyed her appearances Until? You guessed it, the late eighties.

Inferno?

Characters certainly grow and develop. However, most of the examples you gave cannot count, because Storm has developed the same way... further evolved their mutations to be more powerful mutants.

I was trying to be polite when I said grow and develope.
I was actualy saying that the above made no sense (to me) for the following reasons:

Emma=The diamond Mutation came out of NOWHERE.
Cyclops= Dimensional arpitures is not an expansion of his abilities but rather CRAZY new spin on how they work.
Colossus's mutation granted him an armor form that MAXED at 80 tons (How can his mutation now allow him to lift 100?).

Storm has not developed in that way. Everything she does today was apart of her original power set. Her control has gotten better, but the ingrediants were always there. However only CC, RH, and DM have made anything with them so far.

I put her in a catagory with Iceman. His potential was always there, a writter just decided, one day, to use it and see where it whent.

Jean becoming the Phoenix and Angel's change into Archangel are exceptions of your post, however. Angel was an underdog when it came to powers. All he could do was fly. So could Jean. And Iceman could skate on iceslides. So, when Angel's character started drying up, they needed to bring in a new aspect to his powers, to put him on the same level as the rest of the X-Men. Hence, Archangel. As for Jean as the Phoenix, I hated this. For a looong time, I hated this aspect of her.

We agree.

I'm still not entirely keen to the idea, but what's funny is, I like Rachel's connection to the Phoenix. So figure that one out.

I feel you,
Rachel was always related to the Phoenix Jean was written in, then retconned out, then written in again.

Storm's connection to magic is pointless, to me. She's powerful enough as a mutant. Giving her magical abilities as well would make her omnipotent, and a character that needed to die, much like Phoenix has done over and over.

Powerful enough for what as a mutant ?
I believe that a question of imagination on the creative teams behalf.
DC still manages to find their "Big Guns" challenges.

Storm is left out of forward progress? *laughs hysterically* right. Read her original appearances, and her current appearances, and try and tell me that she hasn't progressed into the unstoppable Storm. *vomits* You realize, the more I talk about the things I can't stand about her, the more I can't stand her.

Untoppable is a HUGE exageration.
Vist any vs. thread out there.
People even have her losing to people she's beaten before.

I for one would like to see MORE Stormbadassedness. I would like to see her beating people of note like I know she could.

Oh, and PS: Yes, if she weren't as powerful, I would enjoy her character more. A hero that admits defeat is far more interesting than a hero that won't be beaten. That's why half the X-Men I dislike are the ones who are almost never written in defeat.

Thank you for being honest. :)

May I ask, who do you like and why?

ToxicTeen

09-26-2007, 02:51 PM

I like Storm because of not only her powers but she's one of the few black super heroines that I like. I don't know why she went off with Black Panther or with the Fantastic Four but I know I can blame the writers. :D

The only thing that bugged me about her was her 90s animated version of herself where she kept on making long and stupid phrases of what type of weather change she would make. But her Evolution animated version was neat. ;)

nacho_bidness

09-26-2007, 10:45 PM

Early Storm = relatively cool
Mohawk Storm = cool look, but demeanor took a turn south
Any Storm since = very uncool, holier-than-thou, more-powerful-than-thou, smarter-than-thou.

I like the fact that she's been married off, not because I want to read about her adventures with BP, but I'm glad that she's not on the team. I was sad to see her return to Uncanny. I'm hoping her return is only temporary. Despite being portrayed as super-powerful, she's very much a one-trick pony, IMO.

Also, I take exception to all the claims that she's so cool because she beat Scott without any powers in UXM 201. Let's be clear, Scott was 'beaten' because she stole his visor and he didn't want to kill her. If he wanted to, he could have simply opened his eyes, kicked her ass, and probably killed her. His sensibilities and compassion allowed her to 'win'. If he had been similarly depowered during the battle, he would not have had the visor and the 'weakness'. I highly doubt she could beat him in straight no-powers hand-to-hand combat. Bottom line, Storm playing keep-away with Scott's visor does not make her a combat bad-ass, IMO.

Slung

09-26-2007, 11:15 PM

I feel you,
Rachel was always related to the Phoenix Jean was written in, then retconned out, then written in again.

Just to clarify: Jean was the original Phoenix and was who that power and look was written for. Rachel was written as a replacement character for Jean. So, I don't see how Rachel relates better to the Phoenix than the original character.

As for Storm - I love Claremont's 80's Storm and think she was one of the most well-written and well-developed characters in comics. Problem was, in the 90's no one "got" her character and she was written as a cardboard cutout for so long that many people see her as that now. Or in the animated series she was just ridiculously over-the-top. (Similar to my fav Jean: written poorly in the early 90's and portrayed HORRIBLY in the original cartoon, which was many people's first impression of her).

Moshikal

09-27-2007, 06:09 AM

Ultimate Storm - Cool.

Any other Storm - Not cool.

sinjection

09-27-2007, 07:11 AM

What's cool about Storm is her hot, passionate marriage to her longtime love, T'Challa, the Black Panther.

Storm as an X-Man: going nowhere fast.

Ororo, young and lovely Queen of Almighty Wakanda: In the words of Prof X himself: "Ororo, you have been a princess, a goddess, and an X-Man, but the position you are about to assume TRUMPS EVERYTHING you've done before. EVERYTHING."

"Your marriage to T'Challa represents the HIGHEST PROFILE union in the history of our coexistence on this planet. As of today, Ororo, you are the most important mutant in the world. As Queen of Wakanda, you will be a LIVING SYMBOL of human/mutant relations. It's a role you were born to play."
And there you have it. Prof X - founder of the X-Men - realizes that Storm could never have reached the heights of power, prestige and responsibility with that motley band that she has achieved as the powerful Queen of Wakanda.

It took liberating her from the X-Men to do so, but at long last....Storm has finally been exalted as the character she was created to be.

bluedmighty

09-27-2007, 07:55 AM

Just to clarify: Jean was the original Phoenix and was who that power and look was written for. Rachel was written as a replacement character for Jean. So, I don't see how Rachel relates better to the Phoenix than the original character.

I undestand where your comming from. But from a story telling perspective.

Rachel has been riding with the phoenix force since she showed up (it was written into her character from the beginning because she was Jean's "possible" daughter).

Where as Jean was possessed by the Phoenix then was later revealed to be sleeping under the harbor while the phoenix (the alien entity) masquraided as her. Then, (some how) she becomes the Phoenix again, and this time it's because her powers "enabled" her to access the force. Currently she lives in a white hot room.

Christopher O

09-27-2007, 08:08 AM

I'm hoping her return is only temporary.
It's not. She's back.

Despite being portrayed as super-powerful, she's very much a one-trick pony, IMO.
What? How is she a one-trick pony? Also, I'm not reall sure "IMO" applies to this comment. I think it's easily proven that she, in fact, isn't a one-trick pony.

Also, I take exception to all the claims that she's so cool because she beat Scott without any powers in UXM 201. Let's be clear, Scott was 'beaten' because she stole his visor and he didn't want to kill her. If he wanted to, he could have simply opened his eyes, kicked her ass, and probably killed her. His sensibilities and compassion allowed her to 'win'. If he had been similarly depowered during the battle, he would not have had the visor and the 'weakness'. I highly doubt she could beat him in straight no-powers hand-to-hand combat. Bottom line, Storm playing keep-away with Scott's visor does not make her a combat bad-ass, IMO.
The cool thing about it was that she exploited his weaknesses and did what she had to do to get the advantage. Storm is resourcelful, and that was reflected in that battle. As for beating him hand-to-hand with neither having access to their powers, well, I think she could. We've definitely seen hand-to-hand feats to suggest it's within her abilities to do so. On the other hand, Scott's also very formidable hand-to-hand, so it could go his way as well.

GoingGreen

09-27-2007, 08:18 AM

@BlueDAlmighty: Well, the first person I'll bring up liking is Polaris, seeing as that's pretty obvious (Lol, just look at my board name, description, and signature...). She's powerful enough to be uber bad-ass, but has character flaws that impress the hell out of me. Sure, not a ton of writers get her, but when the right writer has her in his possession, she's amazing. She's a conflicted hero who is incredibly motivating (throughout X-Factor, she was the resident Speech-woman and heart of the team; and since I brought this up recently, even under Austen of all people, she managed to produce one of the most compelling arguments I've seen in recent years in Uncanny #433; she almost mixed the views of Xavier and Magnus, confirming her position in the "gray" area). She's one of the rare powerhouses that is still effected by telepathy (that whole immunity thing that so many characters have is so ridiculously lame). And, again under a good writer, she still has that great personality that won me over to begin with.

But, I won't list any others. I planned to make this short, and tried to because this is a Storm thread, not a "favorite characters" thread, and I don't want to abduct it.

GoddessStorm

09-27-2007, 03:49 PM

Regarding my favorite character of all time...

What's cool:

#1 thing is her stunningly radiant and impactful appearance.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/GoddessStorm/UncannyStorm.jpg

She really has those flashy, frisky, and distinct qualities. A serious icon can be made of her. The awesome tanned/dark skin, powerful white hair, and caped costume combo makes for a memorable sight everytime.

#2 Powers. Practically ruling the sky and its forces is just so amazing to me. Glide with the wind, fly in the rain, touch and hold lightning, command the clouds, revel in mother nature's atmospheric furies.... Ugh! It's all so orgasmic to me.

Not only is her power very strong and highly versatile, but it's again fun, frisky, and distinct. The blue eyes turning completely white when using her powers is awesome as well. How exciting is it to have a woman's eyes turn white right before the sky goes dark and begins to rumble?

#3 Her story and personality. I really believe that if it weren't for Storm's inspiring strenth, intelligence, and dexterity, I wouldn't be such a huge fan of hers. I'd sleep with Chris Claremont as a thank-you gift for establishing Storm as the strong and independent leader that she is. I also love her motherly compassion and conspicuous grace. She also has claustrophobia and emotion-supression problems that spice her up, I think. I'm also glad that she has an African accent (or sometimes American accent) and not a southern accent like most blacks in the US. It adds a touch of formality that way.

In addition to her spectacular and transcendent personality, she's also undergone some interesting stages in her life story. She's been worshipped as a sky goddess in Africa, been a long-term leader of the X-Men, and now holds the position as Queen of the almighty Wakanda. Sure the marriage between her and Black Panther pissed us off, but it can become something great if it's treated properly. Namely, if Storm doesn't become a housewife, doesn't leave the X-Men, and remains a powerful, creative superhero alongside another Marvel star.

What's not cool:

#1 The sexual oppression she has undergone. From underwear-based and cleavage-sporting costumes she has donned to that sexuality-questioning mohawk she sported, I simply feel she's been oppressed several times simply because she's an attractive woman.

I find it hard to believe that Wolverine or Captain America, for example, will ever wear ass-cheek-revealing underwear for costumes, or sport long braided pigtails or veils of long hair during a period of "self-discovery."

I find it unfair how they treat her in these occassions. She can still look attractive without looking silly, unserious, or simply masculine (the mohawk). I hope her strong feminine-goddess look is kept from now on in all her future variations.

#2 When she's treated like a weak, un-versatile warrior. She could really make more use of her air pressure control, or control over atmospheric molecules. I really think one who can suck the oxygen right out of the air could be a dangerous threat even to power kings like Magneto and Juggernaut. Yet, she's never regarded as that powerful.

#3 When she's too serene and inactive. The initiative, opinionated Storm is the one I like, not the reserved little follower. I know it wouldn't be fair or even sensible to always have her on the front of the line ready to fight and speak out before anyone, but she should do that more often, I think.

Probably the only thing that I don't consider cool about her personality is her lack of lust. I don't want her to become seductive and slutty, but I would like Storm to be somewhat more man-loving and sexually dominant. It's scary to think of it, but sometimes I think Storm is a prude when it comes to lust. At least Rogue can appeciate a hot guy when she sees one. Storm seems more uninterested and that's kind of annoying to me.

Overall, I think Storm can become bigger than any other Marvel female. Unfortunately, Marvel foolishly does not promote individual female heroes. Except for Electra, but she's obviously the wrong choice being how unpopular she in mainstream media.

frog

09-27-2007, 04:30 PM

Probably the only thing that I don't consider cool about her personality is her lack of lust. I don't want her to become seductive and slutty, but I would like Storm to be somewhat more man-loving and sexually dominant. It's scary to think of it, but sometimes I think Storm is a prude when it comes to lust. At least Rogue can appeciate a hot guy when she sees one. Storm seems more uninterested and that's kind of annoying to me.

Maybe she's just more reserved and private than Rogue in that area - it doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate sex. She may save it all for the bedroom. Ever heard the saying "still waters run deep"?

GoingGreen

09-27-2007, 04:34 PM

Storm was caught canoodling with Gambit. Naked. Prude my ass. ;|

bluedmighty

09-27-2007, 05:36 PM

Agreed :)

She was also the "go to kiss me girl in alot of that Mohawk stuff in the 80's.

She's also been naughty with Alien kings, Alien Warlords, Doom, Loki, and several others I'm forgetting right now.

cool: I agree with the other poster in that she should be more creative with her wind. That's the main reason I like the Hudlin and McDuffie's (degree in physics) stuff. They allowed her to be creative with her powers.

uncool: How ineffective other writters make her appear. We all know that Storm can put up a good fight. But, in the last few years of x-men all she does is talk tough.
Her last appearace in the annuel being the exception.

Polaris is cool. I hear She's getting MAJOR shine in the Vulcan book.

DaeJi

09-27-2007, 05:38 PM

I loved Storm in the 80's, and I love her in Marvel Adventures. But since the 90's she hasn't really clicked with me.

GoingGreen

09-27-2007, 05:42 PM

Polaris was funny in the first issue, but it's only one issue. There wasn't a whole lot of action, though Lorna was putting up casual convo while taking down a bunch of guards with the line-to-be-classic:

Havok: "Remember, we want the captain alive!"
Polaris: "I think he's talking to you, Rachel. I haven't been crazy for months."
(which, of course, you can see in the preview images)

However, solicits say that in issue 5(or was it 4?) while Vulcan and Havok are off fighting, Polaris leads the Starjammers AND the revolting army against Vulcan's forces. Polaris fans are pretty excited about that, as am I. I just want to see more action from lady Lorna.

Alan2099

09-27-2007, 06:24 PM

The sexual oppression she has undergone. From underwear-based and cleavage-sporting costumes she has donned to that sexuality-questioning mohawk she sported, I simply feel she's been oppressed several times simply because she's an attractive woman.

I find it hard to believe that Wolverine or Captain America, for example, will ever wear ass-cheek-revealing underwear for costumes, or sport long braided pigtails or veils of long hair during a period of "self-discovery."
Keep in mind, before joining the X-men, she pretty much ran around topless all the time and didn't see anythign wrong with taking off her clothes to go swimming when others were around.

Also, Wolverine has on quite a few occassions went out fighting while naked.
It scares me.

mr2core

09-27-2007, 06:39 PM

Cool: Her visual design. Powers. One of few black female superheroes, and was the leader to one of the biggest known hero team in history. Her strenght.

Uncool: The way she has been written in the last few years by several writers (but that can be said for alot of cool characters). Her marriage to a character I have no interest in.

BTW, is she back on Uncanny for good now? I hope so.

sherlockbones

09-27-2007, 06:54 PM

cool:

dracula´s bride storm.
magik-mentor storm.
mohawk.
kulan gath storm ends up techno-organic.
bws storm.

uncool:

depowered too long. seemed like ages back then.
no forge happy-end.
animated series storm.
infantalized storm.
everything from the joe mad period.
overthetop x-treme storm.
(never liked the arena stuff, not in new mutants and never after)
story execution wedding.

overall on a good way. seemed stuck in x-men. hope the f4 thing lasts some time and she will not be reduced to wakandian housewife.

#1 The sexual oppression she has undergone. From underwear-based and cleavage-sporting costumes she has donned to that sexuality-questioning mohawk she sported, I simply feel she's been oppressed several times simply because she's an attractive woman.

that is a pretty interesting oberservation. i think in almost every stage of her time with the x-men powerful men tried to conquer her. doom, dracula, arkon and she ends up with a guy that has to wear protheses.
it is not important if she was really interested in theses persons, but the x-guys had a tendency to act like a band jealous-incestuous brothers.

GoddessStorm

09-28-2007, 12:50 AM

Maybe she's just more reserved and private than Rogue in that area - it doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate sex. She may save it all for the bedroom. Ever heard the saying "still waters run deep"?
I still don't like that. She doesn't have to be flirty like Rogue, but I think she should at least overtly express her sex drive in a formal way. It just appears prudish and weak if she doesn't.

Keep in mind, before joining the X-men, she pretty much ran around topless all the time and didn't see anythign wrong with taking off her clothes to go swimming when others were around.
Yeah, but that was the just the lifestyle of her people. It didn't have anything to do with being lustful and showing it like a highly feminine woman should. Plus, in her mind, that was something serious. She wasn't trying to be a skank.

Also, Wolverine has on quite a few occassions went out fighting while naked.
It scares me.
OK, but it still doesn't compare to the amount of times Storm, and other female characters, have been treated in that department.

CMBMOOL

09-28-2007, 08:41 AM

CMBMOOL

09-28-2007, 08:44 AM

The wedding sucked because it was TOO DAMN SUDDEN!! Fans were probably expecting something having to do with Forge LOOOONG before even considering Black Panther in teh running. It felt so forced, i couldn't breathe. And the Civil War tie-in it became was *Pttttttt*!

How was it even the wedding of the century??? THat's a very bold title. Jean and Scott's wedding was far deeper and handled far better.

I don't see the problem with them being together at all. Not at all. THat's not the problem for me. I think they go very well together. But they hadn't really rekindled or redeveloped their love realistically enough for me to say, "I could see them married." Not by a longshot. That's my main dispute. Marvel not only fed us this crap, they shoved it down our throats.

The other thing is that, the "Wedding of the Century", to me, implied that something mega-bigly-hugely-Joomongous was gonna happen. ...........................................to my sore chagrin...............NOTHING DID. In fact, it was one of the most BORING issues i'd ever read.

In a nutshell, Storm should never have left for Africa to STAY there. That's too extreme for us. We want her presence.

Way back when, I thought this wedding would mean she'd be an Avenger. She could totally do that gig and kill at it. Imagine her with the current crew, as a matter of fact (The pre-Civil War one), minus wolverine please. What an interesting set of personalities that would be. MAybe she'd see in Luke Cage similarities and differences between Bishop. She'd understand why CAptain AMerica is so respected. Maybe she'd even quarrel with Tony because he's such an A-hole:D

First off relax my fellow poster because the ranting is too much. :(

Also you have quoted everything that I wanted to say about the entire event from the begininng. :D