Venom in Thunderbolts

[Dark Soul # 7]

With Thunderbolts #110 the Leathal Protector known as Venom will be a regular on the team of ex-villains trying to be superheroes.

Here's the article from marvel.com http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.684

And to all you people who wants Eddie to become the dark and twisted mirror version of Spider-man again don't you think that the Venom in the article looks pretty much like Venom I.

Oh and fromer ASM artist Mike Deodato is the new artist for the Thunderbolts with #110. So there.

[We R. Venom]

With Thunderbolts #110 the Leathal Protector known as Venom will be a regular on the team of ex-villains trying to be superheroes.

Here's the article from marvel.com http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.684

And to all you people who wants Eddie to become the dark and twisted mirror version of Spider-man again don't you think that the Venom in the article looks pretty much like Venom I.

Oh and fromer ASM artist Mike Deodato is the new artist for the Thunderbolts with #110. So there.

I think the Venom, in the picture with him chillin in back looks a bit like Scorpion-Venom, or whatever the f*** he is. And the other picture with the posing Thunderbolts looks like Eddie. Hopefully Ellis will use the REAL Venom. That would be wonderful. If its not Eddie, im definately not touching this book, Norman or no Norman.

[Nick MB]

I think it almost has to be the Gargan Venom, cos the Brock version wouldn't work that well in the "supervillains do Govenerment missions for kickbacks" setup, which I suspect is what this is...

[CMBMOOL]

DEATH-THREAT, IT A DEATH THREAT TO SPIDER-MAN AND TO EVERYONE AROUND HIM!!! :mad:

[Lanowar]

Well it sorta works since Gargan was Obsorn's lackey Osborn even told mac that Parker was Spider-Man and since Osborn will take over the Thunderbolts program it makes sense that Venom would work with the Goblin to undertake there favourite passtime.

Social debate on gay marriage

Wait no sorry my bad it's

KILLING SPIDER-MAN!

[Nosgoth Phantom]

I think the Venom, in the picture with him chillin in back looks a bit like Scorpion-Venom, or whatever the f*** he is. And the other picture with the posing Thunderbolts looks like Eddie. Hopefully Ellis will use the REAL Venom. That would be wonderful. If its not Eddie, im definately not touching this book, Norman or no Norman.

Considering it was the Gargan Venom that appeared as a Thunderbolts member in Civil War #4, I'm saying it will definitely be Gargan. Don't despair though. I'm sure once Spider-Man 3 hits theaters 'ol Eddie Brock will be back in black.

[We R. Venom]

Considering it was the Gargan Venom that appeared as a Thunderbolts member in Civil War #4, I'm saying it will definitely be Gargan. Don't despair though. I'm sure once Spider-Man 3 hits theaters 'ol Eddie Brock will be back in black.

How do you know it was Gargan? I must have missed something. Anyway, your right, I have hope Eddie will be back, but hopefully there will be a better reason than just the movie...which is already my favorite.

[Dark Soul # 7]

How do you know it was Gargan? I must have missed something. Anyway, your right, I have hope Eddie will be back, but hopefully there will be a better reason than just the movie...which is already my favorite.Eddie hasn't even woken up from his coma yet.

[We R. Venom]

Eddie hasn't even woken up from his coma yet.

YET! Like I said, I can hope.:D Pray too. Hopefully he will return and eat Gargan's brain.

[Spider-Sense]

I'll be getting this book,definitely.

[ultimatespyder20]

I'll be getting this book,definitely.

Same here, man.

Alec

[chrismileslord]

Bad Idea. Seriously.

[Mister Mets]

There's tremendous potential here, although it is a bit weird that Spider-Man's two greatest enemies are on one team. It may limit the Spider-Man writers.

Still there are a few other factors...
1. Osborn and Mac Gargan worked together in Millar's MK Spider-Man run.
2. With Spider-Man's identity no longer a secret, Osborn and Venom are no longer as unique as Spider-Man villains.
3. Osborn will be too distracted to be involved with every bad thing to happen to Spider-Man.

[DBZ MAN]

Cover to Civil War 5 anyone?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Cover to Civil War 5 anyone?We've all seen it.

I already buy Thunderbolts. This'll just be a fun shake-up.

[Sean Whitmore]

There's tremendous potential here, although it is a bit weird that Spider-Man's two greatest enemies are on one team. It may limit the Spider-Man writers.


If it limits them in the sense that they can't trot out Osborn to be the Big Bad every couple of months, then that right there is enough reason to like it. :)


SEAN

[the film freak]

There's tremendous potential here, although it is a bit weird that Spider-Man's two greatest enemies are on one team. It may limit the Spider-Man writers.

Well considering they are two of his most overused bad guys maybe they can come up with somebody new or revamp an underused character. I say it's Hydroman's turn to shine.

[Venom]

Considering it was the Gargan Venom that appeared as a Thunderbolts member in Civil War #4, I'm saying it will definitely be Gargan. Don't despair though. I'm sure once Spider-Man 3 hits theaters 'ol Eddie Brock will be back in black.

And they also did say this latest line up isn't permanent as some of the characters might change such as when Eddie Brock comes back. Eddie is a loner and certainly wouldn't want to work with a bunch of ex-villains. And because Scorpenom and Green Goblin are in this comic I'm going to start buying Thundebolts from now on.

[Sean Whitmore]

And they also did say this latest line up isn't permanent as some of the characters might change such as when Eddie Brock comes back. Eddie is a loner and certainly wouldn't want to work with a bunch of ex-villains.


There isn't one person on that team who plays well with others. If they can keep Osborn on a leash, Brock will be no problem.


SEAN

[Kid Quick Foots]

well, i think Venom looks pretty bad ass in that second pic. i like how you can see his human eyes and mouth, looks cool, atleast its different, i guess.i dont know.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

One of the reasons I like the new Venom is because it's NOT Eddie Brock.
This book looks awesome.

[RedShark92]

One of the reasons I like the new Venom is because it's NOT Eddie Brock.
This book looks awesome.

I think Eddie Brock as Venom ran his course as an interesting character a while back, so I'm glad they're trying new things with the concept.

Having said that, I'd almost rather they went in a completely different direction with the symbiote's next host rather than a simple Venom Redux.

[rZi]

I too would like to see the symbiote on a completely new host...i really liked the scorpion so i wouldn't mind see Mac back in his green costume =)

[NormanB]

Venom = Eh.

Venom + Tail = Eh?


Embrace change!

[jeffmace]

Let me put it this way -- Venom as a member of any team can not be a good thing by any measure. That's all I have to say.

[Mister Mets]

Newsarama has a good spotlight on Venom.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=92839

Continuing our look at the new cast of the group that debuts in January’s Thunderbolts #110, with this installment we focus on Venom. Once again, we bug…er, politely ask Thunderbolts editor Molly Lazer for some inside information.

The quick 411 –

Who is he?: Macdonald “Mac” Gargan – the former Scorpion who had been looking for a bit of an upgrade, as shown in the Mark Millar/Terry Dodson run of Marvel Knights Spider-Man

What does he do?: As Gargan alone? Not much, but teamed with the Venom Symbiote, a heck of a lot. While the Symbiote is its own creature and can slither around, when it joins with its host, it takes the humanoid, more familiar form - black, fangs, tongue, big vein-y arms, drool and all of that.

Recent High Points?: Getting the suit, pretty much.

Who’s he got a mad-on for?: Spider-Man, but generally, he doesn’t discriminate.

Where was he last seen before Civil War #4?: Marvel Knights Spider-Man, Beyond!, and then, in explaining how he landed in issue #4: Civil War: Choosing Sides

So – over to Molly…

Newsarama: First off, just to catch up – even though it was pretty clearly stated, we’ve come to take nothing for granted, the Venom that we saw in Civil War #4 and after - this is Mac Gargan, the former Scorpion, who picked up the Symbiote shortly after it ditched Angelo from on high, and courtesy of Norman Osborn back in Marvel Knights Spider-Man, right?

Molly Lazer: That’s exactly right.

NRAMA: Since he’s kind of new to the whole “partnership” thing…well, Venom, made up of Eddie and the Symbiote had their own...albeit creepy...persona. Is the Mac + Symbiote as creepy, or a little more sane?

ML: Mac + Symbiote is creepy in his own way. We’ll see a bit of how the Symbiote has affected him in Thunderbolts #112. It’s getting to him, for sure.

NRAMA: Of the pantheon of villains that SHIELD have to choose from for their new Tbolts, what would the advantages of recruiting Venom be?

ML: If the CSA can make Venom, of all people, into as a success story, then it says a lot about the Thunderbolts program.

NRAMA: As you told us so far, Osborn is in charge, Bullseye is held in reserve - what's Venom used for? I'm stuck with this idea of him as the hunting dog...

ML: That’s actually very close to being accurate. Venom brings brute strength and an animalistic viciousness in a way that the other team members don’t.

NRAMA: How much does SHIELD know about the villains in general, and Venom in particular? Do they know that Venom has two consciousnesses in it's head and has considered the liability that goes with that?

ML: S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Commission on Superhuman Activities knows a great deal about the Thunderbolts team members, including the most effective ways to take them down.

It’s a good bet that they know that Venom has two consciousnesses, too.

NRAMA: Speaking of the team and their...unpredictability, as has been said in Civil War, the team has nanodevices in them that can kill them on a signal...can you explain those a little bit?

ML: Sure. Most of the team members have been injected with nanodevices so that the powers that be can keep them in line. The field missions that the Thunderbolts go on are closely monitored, since the idea is to give the team of “reformed” villains a positive spin for the public. So if someone gets out of hand, he or she can be zapped and taken down.

NRAMA: As in “kaboomsplat?”

ML: Not always. The nanodevices don’t necessarily kill - they can also stun, paralyze, maim, render unconscious…

NRAMA: Slice, dice, and julienne. What's in it for Mac? Why did he join up with the Tbotls?

NRAMA: As we saw Mac “sign up” for the Thunderbolts in Civil War: Choosing Sides, which came out in November. Songbird and Radioactive Man came to him to either take him down or get him to join the “Thunderbolts Army,” and he was waiting for them, ready and willing to join. (After killing a few S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, first, of course.) After his tour of duty with the T-Bolts, Mac gets cash and a free pass out of the country.

NRAMA: Editorially, what larger role does he fill as a cast member?

ML: From an editorial standpoint, Mac Gargan is one of the team members who has been a villain for the longest amount of time, but he’s also the character who has had his current powers for the shortest amount of time. We see how he reacts to a completely new situation—being part of a government-sponsored “hero” team—and new abilities at simultaneously. Also, the idea that he can be completely vicious and yet accepted by the public with the right amount of spin is an interesting one.

NRAMA: Who's Venom closest to on the team?

ML: Venom is closest to Norman Osborn. Norman is the one who gave Mac the Symbiote in the first place, so he’s the one that Mac can talk to about what it’s like to have these strange voices in his head. But Norman can also take the Symbiote away, so there’s a certain amount of wariness in their relationship.

NRAMA: How does the rest of the team see Venom?

ML: The rest of the team, especially the more seasoned members, see Venom as someone who needs to be watched. Songbird, Radioactive Man and Swordsman are a bit cliquey, having been through so much together before Norman took over the T-Bolts, and they’re not ready to let anyone else into their group. And Moonstone sees him as another person to manipulate.

NRAMA: Wrapping up - when we first see Venom in issue #110, he's....

ML: …being paraded through Thunderbolts Mountain by a truckload of armed guards.

I like the idea that Venom can be presented as proof of the success of the Thunderbolts program.

[Mister Mets]

If it limits them in the sense that they can't trot out Osborn to be the Big Bad every couple of months, then that right there is enough reason to like it. :)


SEAN
That is true.
It also means it's going to be harder for a writer to use them in one part storylines (although not that many writers were doing that anyway.)


Let me put it this way -- Venom as a member of any team can not be a good thing by any measure. That's all I have to say.
Venom probably shouldn't be on any team.
But doesn't that make things more interesting?

[Sean Whitmore]

Thanks for the article, Cyberman! Sounds really interesting, but two little points made my nerd hair stand on end.

What does he do?: As Gargan alone? Not much, but teamed with the Venom Symbiote, a heck of a lot.

Ouch. A lot of anti-Scorpion sentiment from the writers recently.

ML: Venom is closest to Norman Osborn. Norman is the one who gave Mac the Symbiote in the first place, so he’s the one that Mac can talk to about what it’s like to have these strange voices in his head. But Norman can also take the Symbiote away, so there’s a certain amount of wariness in their relationship.

It was quite the opposite, in fact. Norman had nothing to do with Gargan obtaining the symbiote. In fact, he was so pissed the two of them almost came to blows over it.


SEAN

[kel25]

I’ve only been following Thunderbolts in TPB but I’m not really looking forward to the new lineup. None of the characters that I’m following the series for are making their way on the new lineup.

I also liked the concept of lesser villains trying to redeem themselves. But with members like Green Goblin and Bullseye I don’t see the book going in that direction. I see it ending up being more like DC’s Suicide Squad. Even though I found Suicide Squad very enjoyable I don’t see a reason to change Thunderbolts into it. Instead I’d rather see Thunderbolts continue on as is, while a new title is created for the upcoming Thunderbolts team.

I’ll probably follow the new team for a trade or two but I think the title will lose the charm that made me like it in the first place.

[littleredhat]

I can picture the sene in my mind.


Moonstone and Songbird are sitting in the kitchen talking.

Venom walks in and starts takeing out massive amouts of chocolate.

The suit says that Mac is asleep but it was feeling down about Peter so it needed a snack.

Girl talk ensues.

[rZi]

I can't wait to see venom in this role...i like mac but eddie would of been even more malicious in this instance i think. I hope it's not totaly spider-man orientated and he fights alot of other super heros =D

[wingsofdamnation]

Eddie hasn't even woken up from his coma yet.
i thought eddie was dead?