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Will.S
10-01-2006, 08:48 PM
A year-long. jet packed West Coast version of Simon
Ugh, sweet Jesus this was his worst costume of all time. I can't even bring myself to buy those WCA issues because of this.....abomination.

Anyway, love the leisure suit and muscle shirt ones Ronnie so great work.

mattx110
10-01-2006, 09:20 PM
didn't realize he had so many costumes? how old is he to go through wardrobes like candy?

RonnieThunderbolts
10-02-2006, 11:25 AM
didn't realize he had so many costumes? how old is he to go through wardrobes like candy?

Well, 42 years this month, with 10 looks, it averages out to changing once every four years or so, but really he's had the same one since his return from the dead about 7 years ago, and is just now getting a "retro" version of an older costume he wore for 7 years before. Although he was dead for a time, his original remained his only costume for 13 years, and his most short lived uniforms lasted less than a year. Still... he's no Wasp. That chick is ridiculous... and Hank Pym has only been around a few more years than Simon at almost 45, and he's had 2o or so looks! I find most characters always have more looks than I had originally thought...

Mitchel
10-02-2006, 12:28 PM
As requested, a slight tweak of my old "classic" leisure suit Simon, here is Wonder Man as he appears in Mighty Avengers, red vinyl jacket, but no huge gold bracelets...

Wonder Man!

I think the gold bracelets made the costume a bit more manly; that jacket might have looked cool in the early 80's, or at least to George Perez, but I don't know what is Cho thinking now. If he is dressing in civvies there are a lot of cool Nike or bodybuilding threads he could be using that would look great with the shades on.

Quasar's Bands
10-03-2006, 09:52 AM
This one is amazing. The detail on the ion's(sp?) is excellent.

I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!

riotgear
10-03-2006, 10:32 AM
I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!

See, that's where I disagree. I hated the whole "Human Ion Torch" look. It's one thing if he's phasing or dispersing his ion particles. I always thought it should be more of an effect like Cannonball's, where his lower body turns into an ionic jet engine. But that's just me.

Mitchel
10-04-2006, 07:10 AM
I agree. Perez had it right on the nose with this look, and you have really done it perfect justice. Fantastic!

I disagree too. The ionic effect was fine while he was being summoned by Wanda but once she brought him back to life he should have gone back to his human look. In my opinion the Kirby dots are good for a one panel explosion or energy blast but a strongman character like Simon looks lame enveloped in Kirby dots. Call me old school but I want to see Simon wearing his shades and tank tops looking cool, hip and human while trading blows not strange and alien. Get the Kirby dots treatment for a mysterious character like Vision or even Moonknight and the Shroud but not a guy whose trademarks are muscles and good looks.

Will.S
10-04-2006, 11:05 PM
I disagree too. The ionic effect was fine while he was being summoned by Wanda but once she brought him back to life he should have gone back to his human look. In my opinion the Kirby dots are good for a one panel explosion or energy blast but a strongman character like Simon looks lame enveloped in Kirby dots. Call me old school but I want to see Simon wearing his shades and tank tops looking cool, hip and human while trading blows not strange and alien. Get the Kirby dots treatment for a mysterious character like Vision or even Moonknight and the Shroud but not a guy whose trademarks are muscles and good looks.
While I agree that he should be in non-ionic form most of the time, I'm actually ok with it as long as it's during certain moments where he MAXES OUT and goes full power to indicate that he's at his peak power level.

As for a look that I would love today, I'd go mix the modern shirt with the belt, arm bracelets, belt and boots of the classic Byrne version (or WC era).

Quasar's Bands
10-05-2006, 02:36 PM
While I agree that he should be in non-ionic form most of the time, I'm actually ok with it as long as it's during certain moments where he MAXES OUT and goes full power to indicate that he's at his peak power level.

As for a look that I would love today, I'd go mix the modern shirt with the belt, arm bracelets, belt and boots of the classic Byrne version (or WC era).

I think things went terribly wrong early on. From interviews, I read that Simon was originally supposed to be Marvel's "Superman." In the end, he was more like "Really strong guy." That's boring and as a kid, I found Wonder Man as interesting as, say, Luke Cage or the dozens of other "Really Strong Guys" in Marvel. Not much changed until his body was blown to bits by the ion cannon. His new look was unique - no one looked like that. He could fly. He was STILL strong. He was still invulnerable. He could even shoot beams out of his eyes, I believe, as shown in one or two issues of Avengers. As a superhero - he was UNIQUE and far more powerful than he was shown to be in the 70s. That made me happy, and a fan.

Meanwhile, we still have Luke Cage filling the role of "Really Strong Guy" (yawn).

static
10-05-2006, 04:38 PM
it kinda sounds like your saying he is more unique when he is more like a copy of another character (Superman) ...thats not really unique at all is it? superstrong , shooting beams out of your eyes, flying, let give him some superbreath and he will be real "unique" lol I would like the compromise idea...shows the ionic dots when he is powering up big time or flying...turning it on and off when he needs to dig deep and show some big time strength...

Curly Beans
10-06-2006, 01:33 PM
I've never been a huge fan of Wonderman, but I do like him as an Avenger. The issue of Wizard which includes the preview of Mighty Avengers shows the Sentry carrying Wonderman. I guess he stopped flying? Plus, I can't describe how much I hate the leisure suit. Wonderman has never been an A list hero, but the leisure suit brings him down even further.

superion
10-06-2006, 04:21 PM
it kinda sounds like your saying he is more unique when he is more like a copy of another character (Superman) ...thats not really unique at all is it? superstrong , shooting beams out of your eyes, flying, let give him some superbreath and he will be real "unique" lol I would like the compromise idea...shows the ionic dots when he is powering up big time or flying...turning it on and off when he needs to dig deep and show some big time strength...


The difference is that there are very few Superman like characters in the MU so he would at least be unique in the MU. I can't even count the number of just strong guys in the MU plus the ionic look would still differentiate hime from the rest.

Quasar's Bands
10-06-2006, 09:01 PM
The difference is that there are very few Superman like characters in the MU so he would at least be unique in the MU. I can't even count the number of just strong guys in the MU plus the ionic look would still differentiate hime from the rest.

Amen. And NO ONE in Marvel or DC is all "ionic" when flying or fighting. That makes him even more unique.

LabRat
10-09-2006, 06:30 AM
I agree with Will.S, I'd like him to have a human look with a few of those ionic dots, but not enough to really obscure his human form... And then, when he loses control (either because he's exerting more effort when fighting, etc.) of his form, he'll start to show more and more of that ionic look... That's what I'd like, anyway...

What ever happened to him? He's started looking more and more human in Civil War (less dots in the Ms. Marvel arc, no dots in Civil War: Frontline)...

Deus ex Chris
10-09-2006, 10:08 AM
I like his current look sans ionic form. He looks great in Ms. Marvel--the best he's ever looked, IMO.

christoph68
10-09-2006, 11:57 AM
i think wondy is cool and have liked him from his first appr. in avengers #9!

i like his first costume and the red jacket w/rocket belt and his latest with the ionic purple haze!:evilsmile

DDM
10-09-2006, 12:06 PM
Wonder Man looks best in his red jacket & red glasses/black motif. I also like the Kurt Busiek/George Perez ionic Wonder Man.

Mariah
10-09-2006, 01:06 PM
Wonder Man looks best in his red jacket & red glasses/black motif. I also like the Kurt Busiek/George Perez ionic Wonder Man.
*cue music--Bow, bow chicka, bow chicka bow bow* His 70's porn star look is by far not his greatest look. Way horrible.*barfs* I really like the way he looks Ms. Marvel, he's got the glow, but it's not all encompassing.

Frank
10-09-2006, 08:17 PM
I think things went terribly wrong early on. From interviews, I read that Simon was originally supposed to be Marvel's "Superman." In the end, he was more like "Really strong guy." That's boring and as a kid, I found Wonder Man as interesting as, say, Luke Cage or the dozens of other "Really Strong Guys" in Marvel. Not much changed until his body was blown to bits by the ion cannon. His new look was unique - no one looked like that. He could fly. He was STILL strong. He was still invulnerable. He could even shoot beams out of his eyes, I believe, as shown in one or two issues of Avengers. As a superhero - he was UNIQUE and far more powerful than he was shown to be in the 70s. That made me happy, and a fan.

Meanwhile, we still have Luke Cage filling the role of "Really Strong Guy" (yawn).

I was totally the opposite of this as a kid. First of all Wonder Man was NEVER intended to be Marvel's Superman. When I first saw him with his original costume, it was like when the older readers before felt when they first saw Vision: that whole mystery and intrigue and not knowing what were his powers exactly and who he was. Wonderman was so unique and his look with the helmet and so forth was a great visual too. I liked that he had to prove himself as an AVenger and he had all these self-doubts about having died and wanting to be a hero.

Furthermore, I like that he had all these looks. Simon always was a cool cat. The red jacket struck my imagination too as a kid. A great visual. Another look I liked was when he was on Avengers West Coast with the Black leotar with slick black hair pulled from the back(post-mullet).

Mitchel
10-10-2006, 06:49 AM
The only real similarity that Simon has with Superman is that they are both non blonde super strong white guys. Simon couldn't fly; Simon didn't have ray vision or any of those powers that would make him more similar to Superman. Simon is not an alien; he is a guy, as human as Peter Parker, Steve Rogers or Tony Stark. Unlike Peter Parker that comes out as nerdy or Rogers as holier than thou or Stark who is filthy rich, Simon can be more the typical guy with the muscles and the looks that some days will shine and others will make a total ass of himself. Simon has made terrible decisions that have come to regret that Clark Kent or Steve Rogers would never have made because they are both holier than thou. Simon finds himself in situations that Peter Parker would find himself into not because he is humble, nerdy and naive like Parker, but because Simon who projects himself as macho and cool will in many occasions be also very naive and think that he can get away bending the rules, be very bold and impulsive and then fell down hard once things don't go the way planned. In the end he will try to fix things once he discovers he was mistaken. His uniqueness is his personality, a hero that you could see getting drunk with his buddies, flirting with the women, making bad judgments but always making up and trying to learn from his mistakes. As strong as Superman and as human as Spider-man. Since Simon's humanity is such a strong character trait, in my opinion looks like "the ions" that remove him from a human crowd too much do not serve this type of character.

Quasar's Bands
10-10-2006, 11:32 AM
The only real similarity that Simon has with Superman is that they are both non blonde super strong white guys. Simon couldn't fly; Simon didn't have ray vision or any of those powers that would make him more similar to Superman. Simon is not an alien; he is a guy, as human as Peter Parker, Steve Rogers or Tony Stark. Unlike Peter Parker that comes out as nerdy or Rogers as holier than thou or Stark who is filthy rich, Simon can be more the typical guy with the muscles and the looks that some days will shine and others will make a total ass of himself. Simon has made terrible decisions that have come to regret that Clark Kent or Steve Rogers would never have made because they are both holier than thou. Simon finds himself in situations that Peter Parker would find himself into not because he is humble, nerdy and naive like Parker, but because Simon who projects himself as macho and cool will in many occasions be also very naive and think that he can get away bending the rules, be very bold and impulsive and then fell down hard once things don't go the way planned. In the end he will try to fix things once he discovers he was mistaken. His uniqueness is his personality, a hero that you could see getting drunk with his buddies, flirting with the women, making bad judgments but always making up and trying to learn from his mistakes. As strong as Superman and as human as Spider-man. Since Simon's humanity is such a strong character trait, in my opinion looks like "the ions" that remove him from a human crowd too much do not serve this type of character.

I am sensing confusion here. I didn't say that I believed he was created to be a Superman clone, just that in interviews I remember his creators saying that when he was resurrected (no, not Avengers #9, the next much later Avenger appearance) the intent of the writers at the time was to have him become more of a Superman-like character. Thor kind of fit that bill, but not quite. Invulnerable? Good Looking? Strong? These were all classic Superman traits (and yes, he had dark hair). However, the creators realized that just having him be a "strong guy" was lame. At some point, the "ionic energy eyes" and the jet packs that came after that were supposed to add some "mightiness" to his character. In my mind, it just wasn't enough to raise him above his "B-hero" status - and I guarantee you, if you interviewed most comic collectors, they would DEFINITELY place Simon in the "B-hero" column.

That being said, I thought his "ionic" version had a great deal more potential - even if it was "cannonball-like" - an idea I am not opposed to. Take his current look in Ms. Marvel (which I agree looks GREAT) and add the ionic eyes and ionic "tail" when he flies or ionic "punch" when he hits - and that makes me happy. In either case, like Marvel is trying to do with Ms. Marvel, there is certainly potential in Wonderman if his powers are more unique in raising him above "B" status. Haven't you noticed that Ms. Marvel has "absorbed energy" several times already since she was reintroduced a few years ago - a power she seldom used back "in the day." They are trying to make HER unique, yet cool. The ionic "thing" would do that for Simon. The red jacket "depowered" Simon certainly will not.

Mothmonsterman
10-13-2006, 05:31 PM
I think the gold bracelets made the costume a bit more manly; that jacket might have looked cool in the early 80's, or at least to George Perez, but I don't know what is Cho thinking now. If he is dressing in civvies there are a lot of cool Nike or bodybuilding threads he could be using that would look great with the shades on.

No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.

Kaos
10-13-2006, 06:45 PM
No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.

hahahahahahaha cold....but true

Will.S
10-13-2006, 07:28 PM
No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.
Heh, I wasn't even going to say anything but you're right on.

Sorry Mitchel

Leebenhouse
10-14-2006, 12:18 AM
I just liked how he was the indestructable Avenger who was paranoid of dying again.

Mitchel
10-14-2006, 12:27 AM
No offense, because I really enjoy your site and respect your opinion on the character, but I've noticed that quite often your idea of what makes Simon look "manly" is more along the lines of what would make him the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district.

Bracelets are a hero trademark in comicbooks and how does dressing in Nike or sport threads or bodybuilding clothes would make a guy look "the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district"? By the way that phrase is hilarious but I cannot shake the feeling that I'm getting insulted here even though I'm trying hard not to take it personal.

I've noticed that just like in real life guys that look good and/or have a big female fanbase like Tom Cruise, Jessie Mc Cartey, Vin Diesel, Matthew McConaughey, George Clooney and even Arnold Schwartzenegger at one time and others get joked about being gay; same thing happens with Simon, even being a fictional character people like to joke with him being gay and it looks like I'm getting some of that water spilled on me in this thread.

Sheez, perhaps if I had chosen a superheroine like Ms. Marvel to build a website for I wouldn't get the "funny" comments.

Or perhaps I woke up at my most humorless homophobic mood this morning.

Mothmonsterman
10-14-2006, 01:05 PM
I don't think Simon is gay. I rather like him as a character.

I'm just saying that I've noticed your idea of how to make him look manly usually involves him losing his shirt or something. I guess I don't find the Fabio look particularly manly.

Frank
10-19-2006, 03:05 PM
The only real similarity that Simon has with Superman is that they are both non blonde super strong white guys. Simon couldn't fly; Simon didn't have ray vision or any of those powers that would make him more similar to Superman. Simon is not an alien; he is a guy, as human as Peter Parker, Steve Rogers or Tony Stark. Unlike Peter Parker that comes out as nerdy or Rogers as holier than thou or Stark who is filthy rich, Simon can be more the typical guy with the muscles and the looks that some days will shine and others will make a total ass of himself. Simon has made terrible decisions that have come to regret that Clark Kent or Steve Rogers would never have made because they are both holier than thou. Simon finds himself in situations that Peter Parker would find himself into not because he is humble, nerdy and naive like Parker, but because Simon who projects himself as macho and cool will in many occasions be also very naive and think that he can get away bending the rules, be very bold and impulsive and then fell down hard once things don't go the way planned. In the end he will try to fix things once he discovers he was mistaken. His uniqueness is his personality, a hero that you could see getting drunk with his buddies, flirting with the women, making bad judgments but always making up and trying to learn from his mistakes. As strong as Superman and as human as Spider-man. Since Simon's humanity is such a strong character trait, in my opinion looks like "the ions" that remove him from a human crowd too much do not serve this type of character.

Exactly. And with everything you described there, it's weird to me he doesn't have his own book, he would be the perfect leading man character. I'm thinking a more human Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon-type for this age.


Bracelets are a hero trademark in comicbooks and how does dressing in Nike or sport threads or bodybuilding clothes would make a guy look "the most appealing at a gay club in the meatpacking district"? By the way that phrase is hilarious but I cannot shake the feeling that I'm getting insulted here even though I'm trying hard not to take it personal.

I've noticed that just like in real life guys that look good and/or have a big female fanbase like Tom Cruise, Jessie Mc Cartey, Vin Diesel, Matthew McConaughey, George Clooney and even Arnold Schwartzenegger at one time and others get joked about being gay; same thing happens with Simon, even being a fictional character people like to joke with him being gay and it looks like I'm getting some of that water spilled on me in this thread.

Sheez, perhaps if I had chosen a superheroine like Ms. Marvel to build a website for I wouldn't get the "funny" comments.

Or perhaps I woke up at my most humorless homophobic mood this morning

It's not just you. I've noticed that too. Where are in a World now that puts down everything that is relatively male. And male characteristics. That's why the gay term is used to discredit guys that uses their natural attributes. But "gay" is a word as any others. I've notived the entertainment industry of the last few years have had a tendency to hire more effeminate boys, replacing the more traditional Harrison Ford-like leading men for the big roles. It says to me they're scared to alienate the people that would feel threatened by guys with a little more testosterone.

Something could be said about Wonder Man being so popular in the 70s, because he was a product of that time(even if he was originally created in the 60s), where men could be men. And be praised for it.

...about the bracelets: I was reading my old comics recently and I noticed how much Perez putting these bracelets on the red jacket costume added to the whole bad assness of the Wonderman character. And i'm not kidding. It's a nice little touch, but it does the trick.

Quasar's Bands
10-19-2006, 03:22 PM
I don't think Simon is gay. I rather like him as a character.

I'm just saying that I've noticed your idea of how to make him look manly usually involves him losing his shirt or something. I guess I don't find the Fabio look particularly manly.


I agree. I work out at the gym frequently, and there are NO guys there that sport the "unitard" look. That being said, when I've visited Golds Gyms, I have seen muscular guys wearing tight muscle shirts and unitards, and I gotta tell you, my first thought is "how effiminate are they?" It just looks freaky.

I'll admit, though, I also didn't like Namor's teeny, tiny "banna boat" swimsuit as portrayed a few years ago in Avengers. For a couple of issues there (the ones with the New Invaders) I was afraid it would turn into a thong. I guess I like my male heroes at least wearing decently-sized shorts and, if they wish to go shirtless, that's OK (at least for Namor), but really, c'mon, there is no need to NOT have a shirt on unless you do a lot of swimming or you are the Hulk......

(With regard to Ms. Marvel and Power Girl, I admit that sometimes I am concerned about their "thong-like" costume going up their behinds as well. Not because it isn't a pleasent sight (mmmm - Power Girl) but because it looks impractical and darn-near painful).

Quasar's Bands
10-19-2006, 03:30 PM
Something could be said about Wonder Man being so popular in the 70s, because he was a product of that time(even if he was originally created in the 60s), where men could be men. And be praised for it.

...about the bracelets: I was reading my old comics recently and I noticed how much Perez putting these bracelets on the red jacket costume added to the whole bad assness of the Wonderman character. And i'm not kidding. It's a nice little touch, but it does the trick.


Well.... I like the mammoth gauntlets on Quasar and Namor - they look good depending on the look. With regard to Wonderman - no.

As for "men could be men" - if you mean that the 70s movie industry (porn and nonporn) glorified hairy, unkempt men who looked like they didn't shower and smelled - you are right. However, I'll take 2006 sensibilities any day - men that shower, cut their hair, keep their body hair under control - if women get praised for such clean behavior, so should men be praised for the same.

Marvel already has a shirtless, unkempt brute hero - it's the Hulk. Simon doesn't need to be another, and he doesn't need to dress like he's trying to win the Mr. Universe contest either.

Mitchel
10-19-2006, 06:55 PM
Well.... I like the mammoth gauntlets on Quasar and Namor - they look good depending on the look. With regard to Wonderman - no.

As for "men could be men" - if you mean that the 70s movie industry (porn and nonporn) glorified hairy, unkempt men who looked like they didn't shower and smelled - you are right. However, I'll take 2006 sensibilities any day - men that shower, cut their hair, keep their body hair under control - if women get praised for such clean behavior, so should men be praised for the same.

Marvel already has a shirtless, unkempt brute hero - it's the Hulk. Simon doesn't need to be another, and he doesn't need to dress like he's trying to win the Mr. Universe contest either.

I agree totally with your arguments on the modern sensibilities and I am totally against the unkempt hairy look unless you are D-Man or Wolverine. But loosing your shirt is a sign of power and confidence in men, why do you think wrestlers are presented the way they are or ultimate fighters, or the many muscle magazines, why do they sell for that matter? Why does on action movies the hero looses his shirt? Granted, it is a look that doesn't works on every hero. I wouldn't like to see a shirtless Spider-man or Dr. Strange, Mr. Fantastic, Cyclops, Black Bolt or even Captain America and Iron Man but for guys like Hulk, Hercules and Wonder Man where they are supposed to be awesomely strong and their body is their main weapon it works well, especially when the artist can draw an exaggerated convincing musculature like Bisley, Corben, Olivetti and some others. And I'm not talking about stupid unitards or jokes like Fabio.

Quasar's Bands
10-20-2006, 08:05 AM
I agree totally with your arguments on the modern sensibilities and I am totally against the unkempt hairy look unless you are D-Man or Wolverine. But loosing your shirt is a sign of power and confidence in men, why do you think wrestlers are presented the way they are or ultimate fighters, or the many muscle magazines, why do they sell for that matter? Why does on action movies the hero looses his shirt? Granted, it is a look that doesn't works on every hero. I wouldn't like to see a shirtless Spider-man or Dr. Strange, Mr. Fantastic, Cyclops, Black Bolt or even Captain America and Iron Man but for guys like Hulk, Hercules and Wonder Man where they are supposed to be awesomely strong and their body is their main weapon it works well, especially when the artist can draw an exaggerated convincing musculature like Bisley, Corben, Olivetti and some others. And I'm not talking about stupid unitards or jokes like Fabio.

I don't think the wrestler's outfits are what sell the magazines (if they do, it is for the silliness or drama of it all), and I don't think people buy muscle magazines just to look at the muscles. If they do, I have to say I'd question their orientation. I think people buy them (as I do from time to time) to read up on how to "better" themselves. If there is a guy who is posing, it is to provide incentive (and perhaps awe) that it can happen to me too if I just train hard enough. Getting back to comic books, I agree that Simon can have muscles, and perhaps show them off once in awhile during a fight scene, but he doesn't have to go around shirtless. Power Girl's outfits are ripped apart during battle frequently. Simon can also have his shirt ripped off from time to time, I suppose, but overall, I would expect any decent, intelligent hero who isn't swimming to wear a shirt in public - a decent shirt in public. Put simply - I ride on the public subway every day and sometimes in the summer I need to sit down next to a shmo wearing a muscle shirt that shows more skin than not. It's gross to sit next to that, especially when the guy is sweating. Same in a movie theater. I'd expect more of Simon.

Mitchel
10-20-2006, 01:20 PM
I don't think the wrestler's outfits are what sell the magazines (if they do, it is for the silliness or drama of it all), and I don't think people buy muscle magazines just to look at the muscles. If they do, I have to say I'd question their orientation.

Muscles tell the whole story, how the body moves, how members connect, even a raised branch of veins in an area can visually tell about effort. I think that's why people look at wrestlers and bodybuilders with no shirts and shorts, there is a lot more visual information hitting your brain and telling about what is going on; the whole story;what is going in a fight or in a pose than when fully dressed, not because you are going to get an erection or jack off while looking at muscles, although I supposed there are people that do, still two totally different reactions. I think the imagery is stronger, more powerful in a physical character like Simon and that is what I am selling. Plus the visual of unprotected skin against steel, spikes, rays or whatever is being ditched at him is also a powerful image. John Byrne commented about that once while crafting a Namor vs the Griffin fight.


I think people buy them (as I do from time to time) to read up on how to "better" themselves. If there is a guy who is posing, it is to provide incentive (and perhaps awe) that it can happen to me too if I just train hard enough.

Agreed.


Getting back to comic books, I agree that Simon can have muscles, and perhaps show them off once in awhile during a fight scene, but he doesn't have to go around shirtless. Power Girl's outfits are ripped apart during battle frequently. Simon can also have his shirt ripped off from time to time, I suppose, but overall, I would expect any decent, intelligent hero who isn't swimming to wear a shirt in public - a decent shirt in public. Put simply - I ride on the public subway every day and sometimes in the summer I need to sit down next to a shmo wearing a muscle shirt that shows more skin than not. It's gross to sit next to that, especially when the guy is sweating. Same in a movie theater. I'd expect more of Simon.

LOL, I hear you, its also gross to sit or lie at the gym in a machine that has gotten all wet by another person's sweat but that's the gym, you gotta deal with it, get the spray, paper towel and clean it if the schmo is not around to tell him to clean after himself. But then Simon might be clueless enough to sit in the subway or the movie theater and don't realize he is grossing out a couple of people.

Agentum
10-20-2006, 01:47 PM
Poor Wonderman, he always have a bad design, i wonder why they made so bad decisions when making his costumes?

Is it so hard to come up with somethin cool looking?