Shamrock vs Ortiz - oct 10 - live and free [Archive]

headstrong

10-05-2006, 12:31 AM

kmeyers

10-05-2006, 12:34 AM

Hahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Shhaajhahahahahahhahahahaha

Paroxysm

10-05-2006, 12:37 AM

Shamrock's gonna get his head beat in......again.

Shamrock doesn't have what it takes anymore, he's reduced to doing free shows on spike tv.

Royal

10-05-2006, 09:15 AM

I will surely watch this one on spike tv this coming tuesday night. Tito and Ken hate each other, Tito has beaten Ken twice, but the last time was controversial, many people don’t think the fight should of been stopped, so this one is going to settle it once and for all. Also looking forward for UFC 64 ppv..Rich is the best middleweight ever! http://64.ufc.com

First of all, the last fight isn't controversial. laying there and taking five good straight jabs to the head is not good fighting nor good strategy. Herb Dean made the call. It's over. The only reason this is set is to make money off of you and shut you up, because, honestly, you don't understand the five good jabs to the head without fighting back means you're either out or stupid.

Secondly, please do your homework before claiming anybody the best. Just because you see their fights for free doesn't make them the best in their division. Remember, The UFC wants to corner the north american market and is willing to even play selective history just to get what it wants.

Royal

10-05-2006, 09:16 AM

Shamrock's gonna get his head beat in......again.

Shamrock doesn't have what it takes anymore, he's reduced to doing free shows on spike tv.

This isn't pro wrestling.

You do your homework too.

Lord of Denial

10-05-2006, 09:24 AM

hellokittykat

10-05-2006, 10:31 AM

First of all, the last fight isn't controversial. laying there and taking five good straight jabs to the head is not good fighting nor good strategy. Herb Dean made the call. It's over.

Yeah Shamrock was beat there. It's easy to pop up and complain that you were 'fighting back' after your opponent has already been pulled off of you.

Lord of Denial

10-05-2006, 02:38 PM

Yeah Shamrock was beat there. It's easy to pop up and complain that you were 'fighting back' after your opponent has already been pulled off of you.

Ken has done that on more then one occassion. Ken Shamrock, Vernon White and Ricardo Arona should form a club for fighters that in thier own mind have never actually lost a fight.

Paroxysm

10-05-2006, 04:40 PM

This isn't pro wrestling.

You do your homework too.

You first, Royal!

Is it hard for you to understand that Ken Shamrock will get his beat beat in?

Royal

10-05-2006, 04:53 PM

You first, Royal!

Is it hard for you to understand that Ken Shamrock will get his beat beat in?

I know Ken is gonna lose. But Live Shows aren't "B" shows. They're live shows.

And why would anyone want to beat Ken's beet?

Paroxysm

10-06-2006, 02:19 AM

I know Ken is gonna lose. But Live Shows aren't "B" shows. They're live shows.

And why would anyone want to beat Ken's beet?

Of a lower quality, they same the good stuff for the paying custy's

headstrong

10-06-2006, 02:26 AM

marshal99

10-06-2006, 03:04 AM

Shamrock is like Hogan , iconic in their own respective company but their sell-by date has long expired and they have no business back in the octogon/ring.
Everytime they step back into the arena , they just embarass themselves and looked like the has-beens that they are.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 06:29 AM

Why bother fighting it? The outcome is set in stone.

I will take Shamrock. Tito is not going to take the fight serious. Shamrock is is looking for respect to retire. It is Shamrock's Superbowl and Tito nuisance fight. And as for my man Rich i think hes really a dominant fighter period.:D

Tito always trains his ass off for fights. Ever since he gassed in one of his early fights he swore that would never be the cause of another loss. And he has held to that word. Ortiz is a cardio machine and I have never seem him look tired or gassed in a fight since not even when he had Randy on top of him for 5 rounds.

Murrocko

10-06-2006, 02:23 PM

Royal

10-06-2006, 02:31 PM

Why bother fighting it? The outcome is set in stone.

I will take Shamrock. Tito is not going to take the fight serious. Shamrock is is looking for respect to retire. It is Shamrock's Superbowl and Tito nuisance fight. And as for my man Rich i think hes really a dominant fighter period.:D

Yes, because popularity always wins out on inovation.

And I think you need to talk to Lyoto Machida before you make the claim that "Rich is dominant".

Again, just because it's on TV, don't make it right. Do homework!

Royal

10-06-2006, 02:35 PM

I know Shamrock chances of winning are slim, but I still have to go with him. Tito I believe is all hype, he's a decent fighter but not as great some may put him out to be. Chuck is going to Knock him the fuck out, again.

So...training under Dean Lister is hype? I'm not understanding?

Also, don't assume things. Anything can happen in a fight.

Do Homework!

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 02:42 PM

Yes, because popularity always wins out on inovation.

And I think you need to talk to Lyoto Machida before you make the claim that "Rich is dominant".

Again, just because it's on TV, don't make it right. Do homework!

Royal have any info on why Lyoto Machida is not fighting in one of the big 2 either UFC or Pride?

The guy has a pretty good resume with wins over Bonnar, Franklin and BJ Penn to name a few.

Is it his decision or do they just not want him?

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 02:51 PM

So...training under Dean Lister is hype? I'm not understanding?

Also, don't assume things. Anything can happen in a fight.

Do Homework!

Yep when you train under Dean in BJJ you are training with one of the best grapplers in the game. An Abu Dhabi absolute world champion. To win that you have to be scary good on the ground.

Granted Dean has not transitioned his BJJ game to MMA as well as others have but I really can't think of anyone in the UFC who has the resume on the ground that compares to Lister. Maybe Monson.

Royal

10-06-2006, 03:37 PM

Royal have any info on why Lyoto Machida is not fighting in one of the big 2 either UFC or Pride?

The guy has a pretty good resume with wins over Bonnar, Franklin and BJ Penn to name a few.

Is it his decision or do they just not want him?

I think at the time, he was signed under Inoki Offices and that sorta dampered relationships with PRIDE and UFC. When IO disolved, Lyoto was a free agent, but by that time, UFC already signed Bonner and Franklin. No way they feeding them to the Blue Wolf. PRIDE was too concerned about being dropped by Fuji to find out he got dropped. They'll probably get him. For the meantime though, he's in the WFA.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 03:41 PM

I think at the time, he was signed under Inoki Offices and that sorta dampered relationships with PRIDE and UFC. When IO disolved, Lyoto was a free agent, but by that time, UFC already signed Bonner and Franklin. No way they feeding them to the Blue Wolf. PRIDE was too concerned about being dropped by Fuji to find out he got dropped. They'll probably get him. For the meantime though, he's in the WFA.

Thanks a lot.

Murrocko

10-06-2006, 04:10 PM

OH SNAP, Dean Lister. Tito's god now :eek:

I've done my homework and I've watched nearly all of this guy's fights and can't understand why there's so many men fawning over the guy. Yeah he's good but not to the level that I see these guys on Shergog and what not put him on.

His fight with Griffen pretty much showed me that Liddell is going knock him out once again and if he doesn't I'll eat my keyboard :D

Royal

10-06-2006, 04:17 PM

I've not fawned over him either. I'm saying that saying one will get beat by the other based on the past is stupid.

By the way, when do you think Dana will sign Jackson?

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 04:20 PM

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 04:25 PM

I've not fawned over him either. I'm saying that saying one will get beat by the other based on the past is stupid.

By the way, when do you think Dana will sign Jackson?

Since Jackson is not quite the badass he was when he fought Chuck in the MW Grand Prix a couple years ago I think Dana sees a big X on his chin to further Chucks status.

On another Jackson Topic

Do you think Jacksons downhill slide is due more to his being born again Christian or those two beatings he took from Wandy?

Some say he was never the same after those two knockouts.

Murrocko

10-06-2006, 04:26 PM

Well how else do you base the outcome of fights? I really just can't see him beating Liddell. Reason being how sloppy he was in the Griffen fight and second being how Liddell already beat the man with some ease. It's going to be Renato Sobral all over again.

I give Dana two to the three months. Jackson's all about the money.

Yeah, Shamrock will most likely lose. I think he just should have had his last match be against Royce Gracie instead Ortiz. I'd like for to get the win and leave on a victory.

Royal

10-06-2006, 04:36 PM

People learn. Things change. Liddell doesn't.

If it's so easy for dana to get Jackson.....why hasn't he?

Murrocko

10-06-2006, 04:41 PM

Got to figure out how much money he's really willing to use to get this guy I suppose.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 04:44 PM

People learn. Things change. Liddell doesn't.

If it's so easy for dana to get Jackson.....why hasn't he?

Thank you for saying that.

I for the life of me can't get why someone has not figured out the Liddell mystery.

He has the same gameplan every fight. Avoid the takedown, keep it standing, get his timing, wait for an opening, knock him out.

Is it just his takedown defense and his ability to stand back up and keep it there they can't figure out or is it something more?

Royal

10-06-2006, 04:45 PM

Got to figure out how much money he's really willing to use to get this guy I suppose.

Bull. He doesn't want his favorites to lose.

Murrocko

10-06-2006, 04:47 PM

I haven't seen the Jackson- Liddell fight in shit long. How badly did Chuck lose again? I know it was knockout .... I think @_@

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 04:48 PM

Bull. He doesn't want his favorites to lose.

Well yeah!

It is known that Pride ask Dana for Sylvia vs Fedor and Dana said no. He said he wanted Tim to clean out the UFC HW division first and then they can talk about Tim vs Fedor.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 04:49 PM

I haven't seen the Jackson- Liddell fight in shit long. How badly did Chuck lose again? I know it was knockout .... I think @_@

Chuck got owned.

I think his corner threw in the towel

He was taking a beating from Alistar O to before Alistar gassed

Murrocko

10-06-2006, 04:51 PM

Ah, thanks.

Fedor would destory the hell out of Sylvia

Royal

10-06-2006, 04:53 PM

Thank you for saying that.

I for the life of me can't get why someone has not figured out the Liddell mystery.

He has the same gameplan every fight. Avoid the takedown, keep it standing, get his timing, wait for an opening, knock him out.

Is it just his takedown defense and his ability to stand back up and keep it there they can't figure out or is it something more?

It's more.

Couple good shots to the floaters shuts him down easy. From there, constantly go for the takedown. If you can sink something or if you can't, it don't matter. The key is to make sure Chuck don't have time to breath. He'll get lousey goosey after that.

Royal

10-06-2006, 04:55 PM

Chuck got owned.

I think his corner threw in the towel

He was taking a beating from Alistar O to before Alistar gassed

Ref stopped the fight because Chuck wasn't fighting back.

Overreem had him until he got stunned.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 05:00 PM

It's more.

Couple good shots to the floaters shuts him down easy. From there, constantly go for the takedown. If you can sink something or if you can't, it don't matter. The key is to make sure Chuck don't have time to breath. He'll get lousey goosey after that.

That is what I have thought too. Someone with good leg kicks that could take his legs out from underneath him and take way that sprawl and someone with strong wrestling could get him down and from there win the fight by TKO or a sub.

I think Shogun would give Liddell fits.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 05:01 PM

Ref stopped the fight because Chuck wasn't fighting back.

Overreem had him until he got stunned.

It's been awhile since I have seen them so I take your knowledgeable word for it.

Taltos

10-06-2006, 05:07 PM

I've not fawned over him either. I'm saying that saying one will get beat by the other based on the past is stupid.

By the way, when do you think Dana will sign Jackson?
Jackson is a shell of the man he once was.

kmeyers

10-06-2006, 05:25 PM

Jackson is a shell of the man he once was.
Yeah, I don't think he could beat Chuck now. Dana would be much better off getting someone like Jackson to fight Chuck(So Chuck would make the UFC look better), as opposed to Shogun, or Mirko. Cro-Cop would murder Chuck, Shogun could be a good fight, though.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 05:37 PM

Yeah, I don't think he could beat Chuck now. Dana would be much better off getting someone like Jackson to fight Chuck(So Chuck would make the UFC look better), as opposed to Shogun, or Mirko. Cro-Cop would murder Chuck, Shogun could be a good fight, though.

Cro-cop vs Chuck would not even be a fight.

The thing about Shogun that makes me think he can take Chuck is he is ultra aggressive and a much more technical striker and he is also like the energizer bunny on crack. I think he would pressure Chuck and wear him out because we know Rua ain't getting tired.

kmeyers

10-06-2006, 05:39 PM

Cro-cop vs Chuck would not even be a fight.

The thing about Shogun that makes me think he can take Chuck is he is ultra aggressive and a much more technical striker and he is also like the energizer bunny on crack. I think he would pressure Chuck and wear him out because we know Rua ain't getting tired.
Another thing that would be a factor is the rules. No stomps is no good for Shogun. Not terrible, but he does like to finish fights that way.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 05:41 PM

Another thing that would be a factor is the rules. No stomps is no good for Shogun. Not terrible, but he does like to finish fights that way.

Very true. I still think Shogun has the tools to be Chuck even without them.

kmeyers

10-06-2006, 05:44 PM

Very true. I still think Shogun has the tools to be Chuck even without them.
Oh, I agree. It just makes it a little more difficult for Shogun.

I think there are a lot of fighters who could beat Chuck(I like Liddell, by the way), but unfortunately none of them are in the UFC, and Dana will keep it that way as long as he can.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 06:10 PM

Oh, I agree. It just makes it a little more difficult for Shogun.

I think there are a lot of fighters who could beat Chuck(I like Liddell, by the way), but unfortunately none of them are in the UFC, and Dana will keep it that way as long as he can.

Agreed. Just look at the division. Not a pure technical striker in the lot of them. 90% of them are ground game stylists that really can't stand with Chuck and the ones that do like to strike have the same looping style punches as Liddell. The LHW is tailor made at this time for Chuck to be champ for as long as Dana wants him to be and that is as long as he draws.

The only real contender I see at LHW is Mike Bisping and he still needs at least 8 or more fights against top guy's before he should be allowed anywhere near Chuck.

If Chuck does lose his title it will be to a technical striker.

kmeyers

10-06-2006, 06:46 PM

Agreed. Just look at the division. Not a pure technical striker in the lot of them. 90% of them are ground game stylists that really can't stand with Chuck and the ones that do like to strike have the same looping style punches as Liddell. The LHW is tailor made at this time for Chuck to be champ for as long as Dana wants him to be and that is as long as he draws.
Yep, Dana sucks.

The only real contender I see at LHW is Mike Bisping and he still needs at least 8 or more fights against top guy's before he should be allowed anywhere near Chuck.
If Bisping runs through a few people, and all there is for Chuck to fight are the same old rematches over and over, I bet Bisping would get a shot much sooner than he probably should.
If Chuck does lose his title it will be to a technical striker.
I don't really see anyone in the UFC right now who could take him.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 06:50 PM

Yep, Dana sucks.

If Bisping runs through a few people, and all there is for Chuck to fight are the same old rematches over and over, I bet Bisping would get a shot much sooner than he probably should.

I don't really see anyone in the UFC right now who could take him.

No Doubt. And I would hate to see it because Bisping has real talent and a bright future if he is brought along slowly and not made to take fights he is not ready for. If he fights Chuck within 3 or 4 fights he is going to get "Quarried". And you never know how a fighter with react to being knocked out like that for the first time.

Neither do I. The only one who could give him a run would be Rich Franklin if he moved up to his natural weight of 205. But I don't see him winning either.

kmeyers

10-06-2006, 06:55 PM

Neither do I. The only one who could give him a run would be Rich Franklin if he moved up to his natural weight of 205. But I don't see him winning either.
Yeah, I'd be willing to wager Chuck is one of the main reasons Frankilin isn't fighting at his natural weight.

It might be a good fight, but I don't think he has much of a chance.

Lord of Denial

10-06-2006, 07:03 PM

Yeah, I'd be willing to wager Chuck is one of the main reasons Frankilin isn't fighting at his natural weight.

It might be a good fight, but I don't think he has much of a chance.

Rich has the same problem with Chuck. Rich throws those looping punches just like Chuck. Only Chuck has much more whip and power behind them so Rich ain't winning the standup. And then Rich is also not a good enough wrestler to take Chuck down and certainly not keep him there.

What you need is someone with Rashads Evans explosive takedowns and Anderson Silvas crisp technical striking and you have a fighter that can take Liddell. Or a fighter that does not go for a single or double leg but his takedowns are based on an over and underhook from the clinch or like Fedors or Karos Judo throws. A great sprawl does not help when you are lifted off the mat and drop on your back. Ask Cro-cop

But that fighter right now does not exist.

kmeyers

10-07-2006, 07:41 PM

Rich has the same problem with Chuck. Rich throws those looping punches just like Chuck. Only Chuck has much more whip and power behind them so Rich ain't winning the standup. And then Rich is also not a good enough wrestler to take Chuck down and certainly not keep him there.

What you need is someone with Rashads Evans explosive takedowns and Anderson Silvas crisp technical striking and you have a fighter that can take Liddell. Or a fighter that does not go for a single or double leg but his takedowns are based on an over and underhook from the clinch or like Fedors or Karos Judo throws. A great sprawl does not help when you are lifted off the mat and drop on your back. Ask Cro-cop

But that fighter right now does not exist.
Not in the UFC anyway.

I can't believe I didn't even think of this until now, but it would be unbelievably awesome if Igor Vovchanchyn made a comeback, fought closer to his natural weight(LightHeavyWeight or lower) and went to the UFC. He could wreck Chuck Liddell, and it would be good.

edit: He could destroy the UFC Heavyweights too, actually. That would be even better.

headstrong

10-09-2006, 03:25 AM

I gotta give Ken a shot. His knee really was messed up in the first match, but the 2nd match that just sucked, kind of unfortunate. But you can't put yourself in a situation like that, kind of the same thing that happened against Rich Franklin. I just hope he shows up a good fight thus making this a definetely a great show to watch on tv live! ;)

Erik Lehnsherr

10-09-2006, 08:17 AM

I'll be watching. Ken is a San Diego boy and I have to support my people.

Royal

10-09-2006, 11:01 AM

I'll be watching. Ken is a San Diego boy and I have to support my people.

What? No Frank?

headstrong

10-09-2006, 11:50 PM

I would like to see Frank beat Tito again. Frank's been out of fighting for a while, but he just made a comback victory against a Gracie I think.

I just HOPE Ken wins with a lucky punch!:p

Taltos

10-10-2006, 06:48 AM

Oh, I agree. It just makes it a little more difficult for Shogun.

I think there are a lot of fighters who could beat Chuck(I like Liddell, by the way), but unfortunately none of them are in the UFC, and Dana will keep it that way as long as he can.
I dont understand why. How could a title change be bad for the ufc? Its not like Chuck is promotional gold. Fans only like him b/c he knocks people out. imho, hes very replaceable.

Taltos

10-10-2006, 06:53 AM

Rich has the same problem with Chuck. Rich throws those looping punches just like Chuck. Only Chuck has much more whip and power behind them so Rich ain't winning the standup. And then Rich is also not a good enough wrestler to take Chuck down and certainly not keep him there.

What you need is someone with Rashads Evans explosive takedowns and Anderson Silvas crisp technical striking and you have a fighter that can take Liddell. Or a fighter that does not go for a single or double leg but his takedowns are based on an over and underhook from the clinch or like Fedors or Karos Judo throws. A great sprawl does not help when you are lifted off the mat and drop on your back. Ask Cro-cop

But that fighter right now does not exist.
Yes he does, his name is melvin gullilard! too bad hes 155. Really though Melvin is awesome.

Royal

10-10-2006, 08:22 AM

I dont understand why. How could a title change be bad for the ufc? Its not like Chuck is promotional gold. Fans only like him b/c he knocks people out. imho, hes very replaceable.

Nobody in the community understands this either. He says he wants everybody to face the best, yet he pulls out of negotiations with the best.

If this is another way to push the brand, then I'd be freakin pissed.

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 11:31 AM

I dont understand why. How could a title change be bad for the ufc? Its not like Chuck is promotional gold. Fans only like him b/c he knocks people out. imho, hes very replaceable.
Well, if a PRIDE fighter(especially one who isn't a PRIDE champ) beats Chuck, it makes the UFC look weaker. Which is not what Dana wants, since he states that the UFC has the best fighters in the world every five minutes.

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 07:45 PM

Hahahahaahahahahahaah!

Sean Walsh

10-10-2006, 07:47 PM

Wow.

Never really sat down to watch UFC before, but decided to give Shamrock/Ortiz a shot.

WOW. Ken just done got whooped. :eek:

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 07:49 PM

Wow.

Never really sat down to watch UFC before, but decided to give Shamrock/Ortiz a shot.

WOW. Ken just done got whooped. :eek:
AGAIN.

That is the EXACT same thing that happened last time when he protested so much.

Ken just wanted to do it for the money. He pretty much admitted so when he went to Tito after the fight, and said "Hey Tito, we've made a lot of money together."

Kendall Grove looked good, Hamill is a layer and prayer.

Taltos

10-10-2006, 07:52 PM

Hahahahaahahahahahaah!
hahahah, i know.

Ken shamrock is such a dick! "We made alot of money together" is what he said to tito. Its very clear that thats what its been about since the begining. Ken shamrock came in expecting to lose in the first. He came into the weigh-ins with a milkshake and a cheeseburger -wtf. Then he danced his way to the ring aka the bank. I dont even think he trained.

Haunt

10-10-2006, 07:55 PM

did Shamrock know that Ortiz was going to make the "shoveling dirt on a grave" motion after he 'tatered him?

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 07:56 PM

hahahah, i know.

Ken shamrock is such a dick! "We made alot of money together" is what he said to tito. Its very clear that thats what its been about since the begining. Ken shamrock came in expecting to lose in the first. He came into the weigh-ins with a milkshake and a cheeseburger -wtf. Then he danced his way to the ring aka the bank. I dont even think he trained.
The way this fight went...it almost feels like a work. It went EXACTLY the same way the first fight went, except the ref let it go a couple punches more.

Shamrock, judging from his TUF coaching, is just riding it out, and collecting paychecks.

Is Ken Shamrock really considered a legend? I sure as hell don't think so. He may have been good back in the day when noone knew about submissions, but who did he ever beat that was worth a damn?

Leslie Lee III

10-10-2006, 07:59 PM

Ken just wanted to do it for the money. He pretty much admitted so when he went to Tito after the fight, and said "Hey Tito, we've made a lot of money together."

Hey, they don't fight for the shiny belts kids. It's always about the $$$$, just like boxing that's something the most hated rivals can agree on.

Taltos

10-10-2006, 08:04 PM

The way this fight went...it almost feels like a work. It went EXACTLY the same way the first fight went, except the ref let it go a couple punches more.

Shamrock, judging from his TUF coaching, is just riding it out, and collecting paychecks.

Is Ken Shamrock really considered a legend? I sure as hell don't think so. He may have been good back in the day when noone knew about submissions, but who did he ever beat that was worth a damn?
Actually in the second fight Ken pushed tito the fence with his striking, the only possible advantage he might have. In this fight he goes for takedown!!

Ken Shamrock is not a legend, he is a founder of the sport but by no means is he a "champion" of mma. His most notable fights were losses. I guess he has wins over Bas but thats about it.

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 08:06 PM

Hey, they don't fight for the shiny belts kids. It's always about the $$$$, just like boxing that's something the most hated rivals can agree on.
Well, of course, but did we really need to see the third fight? Especially since Ken fell into the exact same trap he did last time. It's like he forgot what happened last fight...or he just doesn't care, which i'm definitely leaning towards.

And hated rivals? You would have thought Ken and Tito were best buds the way Ken went over to kiss his ass after the beating.

Royal

10-10-2006, 08:07 PM

Kendall Grove looked good

I would like to say Kendal looked good, but I don't know. I still don't see that tapout.

Maybe another camera angle?

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 08:12 PM

Actually in the second fight Ken pushed tito the fence with his striking, the only possible advantage he might have. In this fight he goes for takedown!!
Yeah, that's a slight difference, and a horrible idea for ken, either way, he ended up against the fence in a position to be served up a delicious dish of elbow soup, this time followed by a hearty helping of pummeling fists.

Ken Shamrock is not a legend, he is a founder of the sport but by no means is he a "champion" of mma. His most notable fights were losses. I guess he has wins over Bas but thats about it.
I forgot about Bas...but that's Pancrase. weird rules...almost like wrestling, only more realistic.

Taltos

10-10-2006, 08:13 PM

I would like to say Kendal looked good, but I don't know. I still don't see that tapout.

Maybe another camera angle?
Yeah im pretty sure the marine who was protecting himself was just about to tap. We definantly were robbed of the fight of the night. Herman and mcdonald were showing some mad hip control before Ed got carried away and slipped up.

kmeyers

10-10-2006, 08:14 PM

I would like to say Kendal looked good, but I don't know. I still don't see that tapout.

Maybe another camera angle?
I didn't see the tapout either, but Kendall was owning him. He also wasn't quick to get up and complain after the stoppage.

He was getting hammered pretty good.

Lester C.

10-11-2006, 01:09 AM

How is Frank Shamrock doing these days?

kmeyers

10-11-2006, 01:22 AM

How is Frank Shamrock doing these days?
He actually has a future.

Lester C.

10-11-2006, 04:58 AM

Considering Ken is in his forties I think he's doing okay for himself. His repuation is based on fights he had in his twenties and thirties. His career would have been much greater had he not entered the WWE, a move that caused him to have his neck broken, accidently of course, by a brand new Chris Jerihico on Smackdown. Again it was an accident as I love Chris, but his WWE debut saw him injure quite a few people.

Lord of Denial

10-11-2006, 05:40 AM

Yeah im pretty sure the marine who was protecting himself was just about to tap. We definantly were robbed of the fight of the night. Herman and mcdonald were showing some mad hip control before Ed got carried away and slipped up.

I think Herman made a mistake but the way that ground fight was going you could see that McDonald was more skilled and more relaxed on the ground. He
slapped on that triangle choke really quickly and very smoothly. McDonald is proving himself to be a stud in that ring.

hellokittykat

10-11-2006, 06:46 AM

AGAIN.

That is the EXACT same thing that happened last time when he protested so much.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Royal

10-11-2006, 11:25 AM

How is Frank Shamrock doing these days?

He's a coach for the IFL, fighting the CSAC and is training for a fight against Phil Balogna.

SUPERECWFAN1

10-11-2006, 11:28 AM

Have they released the ratings yet for what the UFC did on Tuesday ?

cactusmaac

10-11-2006, 11:38 AM

So, Ortiz sits on him for a couple of minutes and it's over.

That wasn't very exciting.

I'll tune in again when Liddel goes up against him.

SUPERECWFAN1

10-11-2006, 11:51 AM

So, Ortiz sits on him for a couple of minutes and it's over.

That wasn't very exciting.

I'll tune in again when Liddel goes up against him.

Ortiz and Shamerock made me spend PPV money watching their fight back in 2002 and in that Ken looked like crap. I mean pure crap as Ortiz punked him for the hell of it.

I'm kinda glad they didn't put it on PPV. I wonder how many people would have ordered it to hear Ken say it was all about the $$$$ .

hellokittykat

10-11-2006, 11:58 AM

So, Ortiz sits on him for a couple of minutes and it's over.

That wasn't very exciting.

I'll tune in again when Liddel goes up against him.

It's another rematch though.
As much as I will look forward to watching the match in December,though, it would be nice if Dana White would make room for new talent.

SnowTrooper

10-11-2006, 06:48 PM

Although I respect the realness of the UFC, last nights fight is one of the reasons why I watch pro wrestling more. I was expecting this to be a sweet, action-packed fight and it was over in 2 minutes. Im not saying pro wrestling is better, im just saying that I was dissapointed.

Chuck Liddel kicks ass.

SnowTrooper

10-11-2006, 06:53 PM

Have they released the ratings yet for what the UFC did on Tuesday ?
Ultimate Fight Night Live featuring Ken Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz did a big 3.1 rating on SpikeTV last night, setting a UFC ratings record. The show peaked at a 4.3 rating for the Shamrock/Ortiz fight. The 4.3 matches the 4.3 RAW did for the John Cena/Undertaker match.

ECW, which went head to head with UFC for one hour, did a 1.8.

Credit: PWTorch.com

Royal

10-11-2006, 08:19 PM

Now if only The Community will acknowledge that FN7 was the best pro-wrestling-like show they ever seen.

SMKSPY

10-12-2006, 12:12 PM

What a waste of time, this is why I don't watch so-called ultimate fighting. Just two guys humping each other till one taps out.

Royal

10-12-2006, 12:23 PM

That's cool. We don't need you. Go watch your martial arts movies someplace else.

Leslie Lee III

10-12-2006, 12:26 PM

What a waste of time, this is why I don't watch so-called ultimate fighting. Just two guys humping each other till one taps out.

Your loss. There was an awesome show in Baton Rouge just a couple of months ago with almost nothing but hard fought, back and forth contests. Expecting Ortiz vs Shamrock 12 to be something special is just based on ignorance of the sport and shouldn't be used to condemn it.

cactusmaac

10-12-2006, 12:53 PM

What a waste of time, this is why I don't watch so-called ultimate fighting. Just two guys humping each other till one taps out.

Heh, heh, heh.

Lord of Denial

10-12-2006, 04:05 PM

Your loss. There was an awesome show in Baton Rouge just a couple of months ago with almost nothing but hard fought, back and forth contests. Expecting Ortiz vs Shamrock 12 to be something special is just based on ignorance of the sport and shouldn't be used to condemn it.

Agreed. If you expect Ortiz vs Shamrock 3 to show you what MMA has to offer then you know little of the sport. Anyone with any knowledge knew this was going to be a one-sided beatdown and did not expect anything else.

If you want to know about the sport of MMA find Hughes vs Trigg 2, lil Nog vs Shogun, Nog vs Herring, Fedor vs Cro-cop, find the great fights in the UFC, Pride, Shooto, Heros, King of the Cage, Rumble on the Rock, Gladiator Challenge, IFL, WFA and many more.