IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN #1 - Reviews & Spoilers

[Haunt]

well, i've just finished reading issue #1 of Irredeemable Ant-Man.

The Good
- the art (pencils, inks, etc) is top-notch & quite conducive to storytelling
- as promised, there is a lot going on & very little downtime in the issue
- there aren't any 100% good or 100% bad characters in the story
- the lead character isn't as "rotten" as i expected him to be; just a little clueless
- it was entertaining enough for me to stick around for issue #2
- plenty of inside SHIELD stuff & an Iron Man spoiler
- Wolverine scene was *very* brief
- the Helicarrier makes for a nice backdrop; it's like a hovering college campus/police academy
- the realistic dialogue
- etc

The Bad
- not enough Ant-man action for me but it's just getting started, so that's understandable
- more of a warning than a complaint but you'll probably have to reread certain sections (there's a lot going on)
- the lead character isn't as "rotten' as i expected him to be but there's still time
- for some reason, the reference to Iron Maniac bothered me (might be because i thought Freedom Ring was a character with potential or that Kirkman referencing his own work in Marvel Team-up reminds me too much of Bendis' writing)
- not enough info given about Chris and Eric's friendship, yet; they seem more like siblings than buddies.


sorry, i'm no good at reviews. if you want spoilers, just ask.

[Expletive Deleted]

Nothing 'til next week, please.

[Eumenide No 2]

so, what did everybody think of the preview?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8367


not much happened but i was entertained/made curious enough to pick it up. it was different, as promised.

I personally thought it was pretty much meh.

blah jokes and just not enough that grabbed my attention...and yes, not enough "happened".

Is this a mini?

I wonder if this will last more than 10-12 issues...

[Haunt]

Nothing 'til next week, please.

but it wasn't a review. it's like me commenting about the preview i saw at buzzscope. and any spoilers i would give would be through PMs.

I personally thought it was pretty much meh.

blah jokes and just not enough that grabbed my attention...and yes, not enough "happened".

Is this a mini?

I wonder if this will last more than 10-12 issues...

there were jokes? yeah, nothing too exciting happened but i can't say that i was expecting that from the first issue; if it were an established character, maybe. and why would you think it was a mini? and if it does only last 12 issues, i'll proudly collect all 12. Kirkman and Hester are both talented creators.

[DEWLine]

Okay, SHIELD Tech/History Question: Which SHIELD Helicarriers are we talking about in this particular series?

For one thing, they started naming the darned things as a matter of habit about a decade ago our time. For another, starting with the same Ladronn-drawn issue of Cable that they started giving the 'Carriers names, they started assuming that more than one was "on duty" at any given time(all of which nicely helps explain why different artists give the 'Carrier different visual designs).

I swear, we've got to get SHIELD as a whole its own series again. Or at least an Agent's Orientation Manual.

[Haunt]

Okay, SHIELD Tech/History Question: Which SHIELD Helicarriers are we talking about in this particular series?


i have no idea. Dugan was operating aboard this particular one. it's also the one that appeared in the latest issues of Marvel Team-Up, if that helps.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Oct06/OctPreviews/AntMan/AntMan01_03.html
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Oct06/OctPreviews/AntMan/AntMan01_04.html

I swear, we've got to get SHIELD as a whole its own series again. Or at least an Agent's Orientation Manual.

it could happen. isn't there a SHIELD book in the works? for now, i'm sticking with Ant-Man. it's at least showing the SHIELD agents daily routine and downtime (a lot of X-Box apparently).

[DEWLine]

Considering they run everything from intel analysis to a full lab suite to multiple fighter squadrons off any one of those tubs, I could believe there's an XBox in their rec rooms.

Heck, some of those 'Carriers are shown hosting B-52's. Especially the one that first showed up on-camera when SHIELD was first intro'ed.

PS: My apologies if I seem like I'm rambling. Because I am. :-)

[Haunt]

Considering they run everything from intel analysis to a full lab suite to multiple fighter squadrons off any one of those tubs, I could believe there's an XBox in their rec rooms.

Heck, some of those 'Carriers are shown hosting B-52's. Especially the one that first showed up on-camera when SHIELD was first intro'ed.

PS: My apologies if I seem like I'm rambling. Because I am. :-)

they also have scheduled shuttles down to the city and back. i found that funny for some reason. oh and the XBox, in this case, was in one agent's room and i have a feeling that they'd be considered contraband. i wish they'd clue me in to the scale of the place; like how large is the Helicarrier?

[DEWLine]

Which brings us back to the question: "Which Helicarrier are we talking about here? There IS more than one in active service, after all."

[Haunt]

Which brings us back to the question: "Which Helicarrier are we talking about here? There IS more than one in active service, after all."

is there though? i would think that there'd only be room for one above New York, at least. there are probably other Helicarriers positioned around the globe but i think the United States-based one is the one getting the most play right now. i say this because the events of Irredeemable Ant-Man #1 unfold over a good chunk of time. the Helicarrier that Ant-Man is roaming around is the same one in which Iron Maniac was housed, Captain America met with Maria Hill, and Enemy of the State took place. if they have multiple Helicarriers, why did all of those big events occur on one of them? this would have to be the central Helicarriers. it's where the director of SHIELD hangs out unless there's a continuity error.

[Haunt]

found another interview with more pictures from next week's issue.

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=005596;p=1

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images_0606/0antman4.jpg

[Haunt]

i don't know if this is too early enough but i found two reviews of the first issue. WARNING: there are spoilers in both.

http://fractalmatter.com/main/?p=398

http://comicpants.com/?p=506

[Xothermic]

Just as I thought, Kirkman killed it. This was the most entertaining Marvel book I've read in a long overdue minute. The twist on the final page was nice. Great start to what could potentially be a great series.

[Haunt]

Just as I thought, Kirkman killed it. This was the most entertaining Marvel book I've read in a long overdue minute. The twist on the final page was nice. Great start to what could potentially be a great series.


i like it because it's not a book that i can easily compare to any of the other current projects out or one's i've read in the past(at a stretch, i'd describe it as Thunderbolts for a younger generation). i can say that it's a good step away from some of the grittier titles out right now, while still dealing with 'mature' matters. i would describe it as 'refreshingly comic booky.' and the main character being a deuchebag didn't bother me, as much as i expected. i'm genuinely interested in his story and where he's going to go after this issue. to anyone ignoring this book because you think an Ant-Man is lame, you're truly cheating yourself. it's obvious that Kirkman, Hester, Parks, and company worked very hard on this title. it definately feels creator-owned.

[Kefky]

I was pretty satisfied with this issue. It was a cool start. It was very meaty and packed with content, Phil Hester's art looked as gorgeous as ever, and my favorite part, the main characters are assholes! :D Not cartoonish, completely despeacable jerks, but like real people, who hate their sh*tty job. It's something anyone can relate to. I hope Kirkman doesn't soften them up, because it's really the unique selling point of the series. I also hope there'll be some civil war tie-ins, not only because it'll help with sales(something this book DESPERATELY needs!), but also because it should be really interesting to see this group of losers reacting to all the chaos.

Either way, I'm in for long haul. My only fear is that the book might get canned even before MTU did. Here's hoping all those marvel zombies buyers take a look at this!

[BizarroBeachHead]

it's obvious that Kirkman, Hester, Parks, and company worked very hard on this title. it definately feels creator-owned.
That was the selling point for me. New characters by a [relatively] new Marvel writer set in the Marvel Universe, it's every writers dream.

Honestly, I set my expectations pretty low for this book, and I'm a pretty big Kirkman fan. Unfortunately, I don't think any of his Marvel work has been up to par with his creator owned stuff, except for some early issues of Marvel Team Up.

That being said, I was pleasantly surprised with this book. It had all the Kirkman staples(slight humor, regular joe characters, etc.) and everything came together for a nice hook at the end. Even though I can't say that I was blown away by this issue(like I was for say, Invincible), Kirkman made me WANT to read the next issue.

I like the fact that the characters weren't cartoony jerks, just regular guys who, in comparison to superheros, are pretty jerky. This series actually has a lot of room for character analysis on how we view ourselves versus the fantasy hero.

[Josh S]

I'm not a big Kirkman fan, but it was really well written. I was a little skeptical about Hester as I didn't like his work on GA, but I liked it here so I think it was more of me just not feeling like he fit GA. I'm definately going to be sticking around. Now, I have to go re-read it as Haunt's first post makes me fear I've missed something.

[Dennis K]

When I first heard of the basic premise for this new Ant-Man book, I must be honest and admit that I didn't have high hopes for one of my childhood favorite B-list characters. I'm happy to report that with the first issue at least, my fears may have been misplaced. I thought Kirkman laid the story out nicely, establishing a good foundation from which to build. As far as the art goes, it's Hester, and I find his artwork really appealing. All-in-all, I really liked it, and while it may not be on my pull-list yet, more than likely it will be added to it very shortly.

[garin]

I liked it.

Haunt, you mentioned an Iron Man spoiler in your first post, what do you mean? I must have missed it.

[Haunt]

I like the fact that the characters weren't cartoony jerks, just regular guys who, in comparison to superheros, are pretty jerky. This series actually has a lot of room for character analysis on how we view ourselves versus the fantasy hero.

thanks. i totally couldn't figure out how to put that into words. but you did with your last point. this book is different from the other books because the characters are as close to real as a bunch of cartoon characters can be. i made the comparison to Thunderbolts before because of the moral grayness in the tone of this book. but, to me, these characters are much more realistic than the Thunderbolts. O'Grady isn't likely to seek redemption in the way that Songbird did (as unrealistic as that seemed sometimes). i don't think any of these SHIELD agents really know what heroism is. they are just doing a job and watching their own rears. i can totally relate. it's exactly how my co-workers and i behaved when i was still doing private security. them being forced to guard that lab (w/o being given all the details) so that their boss could look good has happened to me. it's Office Space mixed with Starship Troopers mixed with Rescue Me mixed with My Name is Earl. i don't know if it's the greatest book. but it is one that i'll continue purchasing until Kirkman stops writing it.

I liked it.

Haunt, you mentioned an Iron Man spoiler in your first post, what do you mean? I must have missed it.

it was after a quick read and i was just mistaken. the SHIELD agents were talking about Tony not being Iron Man any longer because of medical reasons. but i failed to notice the time shift. this would have been around Enemy of the State (not post-Civil War). it should also be noted that it was lower level SHIELD agents talking. i'd bet that they are kept in the dark a lot of the times; only knowing what high command tells them. i liked that quality about the book. you can easily see how corruption could grow within SHIELD. you're talking about a bunch of SHIELD recruits who are one step removed from being drunken college students.

[BizarroBeachHead]

thanks. i totally couldn't figure out how to put that into words. but you did with your last point. this book is different from the other books because the characters are as close to real as a bunch of cartoon characters can be. i made the comparison to Thunderbolts before because of the moral grayness in the tone of this book. but, to me, these characters are much more realistic than the Thunderbolts. O'Grady isn't likely to seek redemption in the way that Songbird did (as unrealistic as that seemed sometimes). i don't think any of these SHIELD agents really know what heroism is. they are just doing a job and watching their own rears. i can totally relate. it's exactly how my co-workers and i behaved when i was still doing private security. them being forced to guard that lab (w/o being given all the details) so that their boss could look good has happened to me. it's Office Space mixed with Starship Troopers mixed with Rescue Me mixed with My Name is Earl. i don't know if it's the greatest book. but it is one that i'll continue purchasing until Kirkman stops writing it.



it was after a quick read and i was just mistaken. the SHIELD agents were talking about Tony not being Iron Man any longer because of medical reasons. but i failed to notice the time shift. this would have been around Enemy of the State (not post-Civil War). it should also be noted that it was lower level SHIELD agents talking. i'd bet that they are kept in the dark a lot of the times; only knowing what high command tells them. i liked that quality about the book. you can easily see how corruption could grow within SHIELD. you're talking about a bunch of SHIELD recruits who are one step removed from being drunken college students.

Agreed on all fronts. Like I said, while I can't say this was the best book I've ever read, I find it incredibly appealing. I'm quite interested in where Kirkman takes things.

Kikman has done a great job of making these SHEILD guys just seem like regular shmoe's working at any menial job. I completely relate to them.

I really hate saying things like, "these characters are just so real" but that's exactly what is happening here.

[Young Avenger]

I read it on the free time I had between classes and I liked it. I like that the character are jerks who hate their jobs with little to no chance of getting a higher rank. Eric has become my new favorite character after he screwed over his friend when he told his girlfriend he cheated on her. I'm a bit disappoint that he didn't show up to his dinner date with the Ant-Man costume.

[Phil Hester]

Just a quick thanks to everyone who went out of their way to buy the book. Your support is appreciated. We're doing our best to win you over. More twists and turns every issue!

[BizarroBeachHead]

Just a quick thanks to everyone who went out of their way to buy the book. Your support is appreciated. We're doing our best to win you over. More twists and turns every issue!
I can't wait, it's only been a day and I'm already getting a little antsy over that ending.

Okay, okay, I was really reaching for that pun.

I have a question, and this isn't necissarily directed at Phil but to anyone who knows the answer. I don't really keep up with all the interviews and stuff, so I don't know if it was stated anywhere. Who designed the new Ant-Man costume? Because, to use a tired phrase, it's awesome!

[Haunt]

I read it on the free time I had between classes and I liked it.


i miss reading comics between classes. now i have to do it before work. guh.


I like that the character are jerks who hate their jobs with little to no chance of getting a higher rank.


i would still like to know more about Chris and Eric's background. i want to know how someone becomes a SHIELD agent (a civilian as opposed to a superpowered character like Shadowcat). i can just imagine Dum Dum Dugan walking around a college campus incognito, recruiting.

Eric has become my new favorite character after he screwed over his friend when he told his girlfriend he cheated on her. I'm a bit disappoint that he didn't show up to his dinner date with the Ant-Man costume.

tell you the truth, i didn't like Veronica enough to be mad at Eric. sure, he dicked his best friend over but maybe he's doing Chris a favor. oh and i definately would have lost it if he showed up in the ant-man gear at a restaraunt. but i wasn't expecting it; what with the Civil War environment.

I can't wait, it's only been a day and I'm already getting a little antsy over that ending.

Okay, okay, I was really reaching for that pun.

I have a question, and this isn't necissarily directed at Phil but to anyone who knows the answer. I don't really keep up with all the interviews and stuff, so I don't know if it was stated anywhere. Who designed the new Ant-Man costume? Because, to use a tired phrase, it's awesome!

in-story, Henry Pym designed the new armor for SHIELD. in reality, i'm guessing it's Phil Hester who designed it. i think it's awesome as well or, at least, wonky.

here's an article about the costume's design
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001537210.cfm

[Shadow ES]

I picked this one up on a whim, and I'm glad I did. It was fun.

I'm betting Nick Fury shows up before the end of the first arc.

[Haunt]

I picked this one up on a whim, and I'm glad I did. It was fun.

I'm betting Nick Fury shows up before the end of the first arc.

that's an easy bet if they show more scenes from Wolverine:Enemy of the State. Nick was all throughout that story. for the moment, i'm satisfied with Dugan and friends. :)

[Young Avenger]

i would still like to know more about Chris and Eric's background. i want to know how someone becomes a SHIELD agent (a civilian as opposed to a superpowered character like Shadowcat). i can just imagine Dum Dum Dugan walking around a college campus incognito, recruiting.

I would like to know that to. Eric doesn't seem like SHIELD type to me. Unrelible, uncapable of using a weapon and attacking sciencists. I would like to know how he got to be a SHIELD agent.

tell you the truth, i didn't like Veronica enough to be mad at Eric. sure, he dicked his best friend over but maybe he's doing Chris a favor. oh and i definately would have lost it if he showed up in the ant-man gear at a restaraunt. but i wasn't expecting it; what with the Civil War environment.

I thought Veronica was meh. A guy screwing over his best friend and take his girl isn't something I expect to read in superhero comics. This book makes sure it earned the Irredeemable title in it's name.
[/QUOTE]

[Haunt]

I would like to know that to. Eric doesn't seem like SHIELD type to me. Unrelible, uncapable of using a weapon and attacking sciencists. I would like to know how he got to be a SHIELD agent.
[/QUOTE]


affirmative action? *shrugs*

[Ivan Isaacs]

I really liked it. It had a "Tag & Bink" vibe. I'll stick around.

[sherlockbones]

I really liked it. It had a "Tag & Bink" vibe. I'll stick around.


lol that was my first impression, too.

solid book overall

i think it had been only one helicarrier in the past because it was always spoken of "the" shield helicarrier. multiples must mean marvel´s nowadays common ultimizing/movielizing is at work again

[Haunt]

I really liked it. It had a "Tag & Bink" vibe. I'll stick around.


what's Tag and Bink?

[DEWLine]

i think it had been only one helicarrier in the past because it was always spoken of "the" shield helicarrier. multiples must mean marvel´s nowadays common ultimizing/movielizing is at work again

I think the naming of Helicarriers, and the implication thereby of multiple 'Carriers existing at any one time predates the launch of the Ultimate line of books. When was José Ladrönn drawing Cable? I ask because, to my best recollection, that's when it started.

[sherlockbones]

I think the naming of Helicarriers, and the implication thereby of multiple 'Carriers existing at any one time predates the launch of the Ultimate line of books. When was José Ladrönn drawing Cable? I ask because, to my best recollection, that's when it started.

honestly i don´t know. my statement was more based on some late 80´s books. after some years of not comic reading i picked up ultimates vol.1 and i just thought, wow, one helicarrier was impressing.
maybe they gave shield some more hc´s during the 90´s, but for a very long time there had only been one hc, imo

[Sentinel K]

I'm definitely on this for the forseeable future.

It was refreshing to read an issue that took more than 3 minutes to read too.

Yeah I'm looking at YOU Wolverine: Origins!

[Haunt]

I think the naming of Helicarriers, and the implication thereby of multiple 'Carriers existing at any one time predates the launch of the Ultimate line of books. When was José Ladrönn drawing Cable? I ask because, to my best recollection, that's when it started.


ladron was late 90's right? i remember picking up an issue of Cable where a SHIELD 'manhunter' was trying to bring Cable in. i was surprised at just how much firepower was at SHIELD's disposal (the air cavalry for one). both characters from that series (Jack Truman and Lawrence Young) went on to become Deathloks from what i hear. i wonder if that's when the corruption began because there were several rogue operatives of SHIELD arrested. actually, i think Clay Quartemain's name came up.

[Ivan Isaacs]

lol that was my first impression, too.

Heh. Maybe we can get Kevin Rubio to do a special issue. :D

what's Tag and Bink?

*gasp*
http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=13-991

http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/13/13991.jpg

[Haunt]

Heh. Maybe we can get Kevin Rubio to do a special issue. :D



*gasp*
http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=13-991

http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/13/13991.jpg


sweet. i see what you mean. i'll have to check that out.

[1WEBHEAD]

First impressions as Sooo important!:p

Yes I liked this issue very musch.Phil Hester's art suits this book very well.There was humor,action, and a great cover.And most importantly it makes me want to know what happens next.My only gripe was that there wasnt enough Ant Man.But its the first issue so I'll cut the book some slack.
Though this new Ant Man may be irredeemable, Kirkmans writing sure isnt.:cool: (*cough*Ultimate XMen*cough;) )

9/10

[Haunt]

First impressions as Sooo important!:p

Yes I liked this issue very musch.Phil Hester's art suits this book very well.There was humor,action, and a great cover.And most importantly it makes me want to know what happens next.My only gripe was that there wasnt enough Ant Man.But its the first issue so I'll cut the book some slack.
Though this new Ant Man may be irredeemable, Kirkmans writing sure isnt.:cool: (*cough*Ultimate XMen*cough;) )

9/10

yeah, i've heard bad things about Ultimate X-Men. it actually had me worried for a second about this new title. but i was wrong to worry. it's my new favorite book. plus, i've never even been tempted to read Ultimate X-Men. meh.

[CaptainAwesome]

I picked this up on a whim, and I have to say that I pretty much liked it. As some other posters have said, it is good that it took more than a few minutes to read. I have to say, though, that I was not happy that most of the book was just talking heads. I was also dissapointed the twist at the end about who Ant-Man was. I found the first character to put on the suit to be much more "unlikeable", which is very important in a book that claims to be about "The worlds most unlikeable super-hero." I guess I will pick up the next issue if it hits on another small comic week.

[Haunt]

I picked this up on a whim, and I have to say that I pretty much liked it. As some other posters have said, it is good that it took more than a few minutes to read. I have to say, though, that I was not happy that most of the book was just talking heads. I was also dissapointed the twist at the end about who Ant-Man was. I found the first character to put on the suit to be much more "unlikeable", which is very important in a book that claims to be about "The worlds most unlikeable super-hero." I guess I will pick up the next issue if it hits on another small comic week.

you found Chris more unlikable? why? at any rate, they haven't gotten to the 'irredeemable' part of the character, yet. read the solicit for Irredeemable Ant-Man #3. :)

"Downtime! While grieving for the loss of friends and colleagues after a massive attack on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier, ANT-MAN returns home to the small town he grew up in--where he gets into some small-time trouble with some small time crooks. Luckily, Ant-Man is just the right size for such an adversary. Also featuring some absolutely rotten things done by our titular hero--that's where the "irredeemable" part comes in!"

[CaptainAwesome]

you found Chris more unlikable? why? at any rate, they haven't gotten to the 'irredeemable' part of the character, yet. read the solicit for Irredeemable Ant-Man #3. :)

"Downtime! While grieving for the loss of friends and colleagues after a massive attack on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier, ANT-MAN returns home to the small town he grew up in--where he gets into some small-time trouble with some small time crooks. Luckily, Ant-Man is just the right size for such an adversary. Also featuring some absolutely rotten things done by our titular hero--that's where the "irredeemable" part comes in!"
I hope you are right; that solicit sure makes it seem that way. Like I've said, I had only picked this book up on a whim and I wasnt too familiar with the whole thing.

The reason I thought Chris was more unlikeable was because of the dialouge between him and Veronica (?) on thier date when he starts to talk about how he is going behind O'grady's back by seeing her, and then later in the issue when O'Grady reveals that Chris had been seeing another woman for some time while at the same time dating Veronica. That suggests that Chris is not such a good guy, while O'Grady seemed to be nicer overall. Though, if you say O'Grady goes bad, I'm cool with that too.

[Mariah]

I liked it. It's definately in my top three of the new books Marvel has put out right now. Following Heroes for Hire and Ms. Marvel. The best part was the editors note. Loved it. But I'm definately liking Eric a little more than Chris. He just seems the total underdog here.

[Young Avenger]

The reason I thought Chris was more unlikeable was because of the dialouge between him and Veronica (?) on thier date when he starts to talk about how he is going behind O'grady's back by seeing her, and then later in the issue when O'Grady reveals that Chris had been seeing another woman for some time while at the same time dating Veronica. That suggests that Chris is not such a good guy, while O'Grady seemed to be nicer overall. Though, if you say O'Grady goes bad, I'm cool with that too.

Actucally, O' Grady is the one who is seeing the chick from weapon storage not Chris. Eric always wanted to get with Veronica and he took the opportunity to be with her by screwing over his best friend.

[CaptainAwesome]

Actucally, O' Grady is the one who is seeing the chick from weapon storage not Chris. Eric always wanted to get with Veronica and he took the opportunity to be with her by screwing over his best friend.
I have to read it again, but I thought what Eric said was that he was no longer seeing the woman from weapons storage and that Chris had been seeing her for a while already before asking Veronica out. That, along with the fact that Chris seemed to be enjoying the fact that he had gotten a date with Veronica instead of Eric made him seem the more "irredeemable" character. Of course, I could be wrong because I dont have the issue with me right now.

[Sentinel K]

I have to read it again, but I thought what Eric said was that he was no longer seeing the woman from weapons storage and that Chris had been seeing her for a while already before asking Veronica out. That, along with the fact that Chris seemed to be enjoying the fact that he had gotten a date with Veronica instead of Eric made him seem the more "irredeemable" character. Of course, I could be wrong because I dont have the issue with me right now.

He did indeed say that. But he was making it up to cause trouble for Chris and Veronica.

[CaptainAwesome]

He did indeed say that. But he was making it up to cause trouble for Chris and Veronica.
I guess that makes sense, and it would certainly make Eric the more unlikeable, but I didnt pick up on that. I guess I'll just have to read my issue again.

[Haunt]

I guess that makes sense, and it would certainly make Eric the more unlikeable, but I didnt pick up on that. I guess I'll just have to read my issue again.


i understand how you could be mistaken. i think the thing of it was that his actions at the end were completely unexpected. who would of thought that he was that much of a creep? but, like the others said, it was Eric who dated the girl from weapons storage. and, if you pay close attention to the conversation in the cafeteria, Eric had been continually lying to Kirsten (weapons storage chick). he was probably trying to get with Veronica (he had asked her out twice) while dating Kirsten. and something i didn't notice until a second read; Chris asks Eric how he got through the lunch line so quickly. he got through the line because he was selling naked pictures of Kirsten to the mess hall guys. Chris definately wasn't fooling around with Kirsten. Eric just lied to break Chris and Veronica up. according to early interviews, Chris has been covering for Eric for a long long time (they went to college and enlisted in the army together). Chris was kind of gloating about hooking up with Veronica but i don't think he meant it to be malicious. he's just used to Eric taking advantage of women and it backfiring.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Which brings us back to the question: "Which Helicarrier are we talking about here? There IS more than one in active service, after all."

Why does it matter? Seriously, if it was important which Helicarrier they were on, Kirkman would have told us. It sounds to me like someone is simply trying to flaunt their knowledge of the Marvel U around. :rolleyes:

[Haunt]

Why does it matter? Seriously, if it was important which Helicarrier they were on, Kirkman would have told us. It sounds to me like someone is simply trying to flaunt their knowledge of the Marvel U around. :rolleyes:


i'm sure that he's just curious. it is, at the moment, a book about SHIELD. there's SHIELD-related stuff that i want to know as well. i can tell the other guy that this is the same Heli-carrier that Hydra attacked during Wolverine: Enemy of the State. maybe the 'ship' is named in the Wolverine title (but i doubt it). does anyone know if being a SHIELD agent is considered classified knowledge? the way they are used in the Marvel Universe makes them look as if they are in the public eye. and there have been depictions of SHIELD agents on tv before. maybe it will be covered in issue 3 where Eric visits his hometown. i wonder if anyone back home knows that he works for SHIELD or just think he stayed in the military.

[Nomad]

Woah ho ho. I was pretty damned impressed by Ant-Man, and it's only the first issue!! Clever cover choice to hook new readers. We don't have a LCS in our area, (Juneau, AK) but last week my pal took a trip up to Anchorage and promised to stop at a few comic stores. I told him to pick up the issue of Cap that he spilled beer on, the new Doc Strange and an issue or two of Slott's She-Hulk that I missed. He brought me back a little present. Out of the stack of 20 or so comics he gifted me, Ant-Man has to be the most worthwhile of the bunch. Now I'm totally hooked on Ant-Man. As a fan of Pym and Lang, I was a little distraught by the announcement of a new Ant-Man, and since there is no way for me to buy it without ordering a load of comics off the net, I thought I would have to pass. What a wonderful story sandwiched between Ant-Man's intro in the first couple pages, and the hook at the end. I just love enjoying a comic, and then coming away from the last page saying, "I f#%king knew it!!!" Eric unlikeable? I think he has a certain charm. Douchebag? Perhaps. Trainwreck waiting to happen? I hope so. Btw, is this an ongoing?

[Haunt]

Woah ho ho. I was pretty damned impressed by Ant-Man, and it's only the first issue!! Clever cover choice to hook new readers. We don't have a LCS in our area, (Juneau, AK) but last week my pal took a trip up to Anchorage and promised to stop at a few comic stores. I told him to pick up the issue of Cap that he spilled beer on, the new Doc Strange and an issue or two of Slott's She-Hulk that I missed. He brought me back a little present. Out of the stack of 20 or so comics he gifted me, Ant-Man has to be the most worthwhile of the bunch. Now I'm totally hooked on Ant-Man. As a fan of Pym and Lang, I was a little distraught by the announcement of a new Ant-Man, and since there is no way for me to buy it without ordering a load of comics off the net, I thought I would have to pass. What a wonderful story sandwiched between Ant-Man's intro in the first couple pages, and the hook at the end. I just love enjoying a comic, and then coming away from the last page saying, "I f#%king knew it!!!" Eric unlikeable? I think he has a certain charm. Douchebag? Perhaps. Trainwreck waiting to happen? I hope so. Btw, is this an ongoing?

it's intended to be an ongoing. but, like with most books about brand new characters, the sales determine how long it will last. i have faith in the creative team that they'll keep it entertaining. that's gotta be rough not having a LCS. there used to be 3 within a 10 mile radius of where i live.

[Fatguy]

I dug it, had some great moments. I love the panic on wether or not they were keeping people in or people out, had a nice laugh out loud moment there :) I like the look of the costume a lot too, I was a big fan of Hester's work on GA, though havent seen his work outside of that book. Good to see it looks just as good here.

I am really liking the new Atom book from DC too, it would seem its a good time to be one of the little guys.

[Haunt]

I dug it, had some great moments. I love the panic on wether or not they were keeping people in or people out, had a nice laugh out loud moment there :) I like the look of the costume a lot too, I was a big fan of Hester's work on GA, though havent seen his work outside of that book. Good to see it looks just as good here.

I am really liking the new Atom book from DC too, it would seem its a good time to be one of the little guys.


i tried Atom and couldn't really get into it. i don't know why but DC is just hard for me to get into. or maybe it was the art i didn't like but, then again, i only tried one issue (Creeper, too).

[Haunt]

did a little researching and found out the name of the Helicarrier. it's apparently the Black Hawk; a SHIELD Helicarrier stationed above Arkansas. it's the one of the 6 that were downed during Wolverine: Enemy of the State. for some reason, i thought it was above New York.

and here's a preview for issue #2 *SPOILERS*

http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40433

wow, that date didn't go like i thought it would.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I picked this one up on a whim, and I'm glad I did. It was fun.

I'm betting Nick Fury shows up before the end of the first arc.


Bullcrap. Fury's an urban legend. Everyone knows that.

[Young Avenger]

did a little researching and found out the name of the Helicarrier. it's apparently the Black Hawk; a SHIELD Helicarrier stationed above Arkansas. it's the one of the 6 that were downed during Wolverine: Enemy of the State. for some reason, i thought it was above New York.

and here's a preview for issue #2 *SPOILERS*

http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40433

An Ant on the recap page? Brillant! Knowing how much of a dick Eric is I bet he left his wallet on purpose. We get a preview of issue #2 already. Damn, this book must be ahead of schdule.

[Haunt]

An Ant on the recap page? Brillant!

i wonder if it has a name; like Monkey Joe? my suggestion would be Ant-Louie.

Knowing how much of a dick Eric is I bet he left his wallet on purpose.

is there any question? i should have seen it coming as soon as he gave her back her purse and asked if the restaraunt was too fancy. i can almost guarantee that he didn't save some heavy girl from a fire.


Damn, this book must be ahead of schdule.

maybe it's an advanced advance preview. :confused:

[ultramandingo]

when do they start eating each other?.......(comon! how spooky is a a little ant guy trying to get your brains !!!!!!!!)

[Haunt]

when do they start eating each other?.......(comon! how spooky is a a little ant guy trying to get your brains !!!!!!!!)

as long as he doesn't lay eggs in my head, i'm cool.

[Expletive Deleted]

maybe it's an advanced advance preview. :confused:Yep. This is due out 11/1.

[drwho]

So does Antman spoil what is gonna happen to Tony in Civil War? This seems to take place after the mini and they mention Tony getting hurt hmmmmmmmm..............

[Haunt]

So does Antman spoil what is gonna happen to Tony in Civil War? This seems to take place after the mini and they mention Tony getting hurt hmmmmmmmm..............

nope, no spoilers. the scene referenced takes place in a flashback (Wolverine: Enemy of the State-era).

[Nomad]

Chris eating that bean... wow, too cute. And the recap page is genius, but all I could think about is how much new readers would have missed out on issue 1.

[Haunt]

Chris eating that bean... wow, too cute. And the recap page is genius, but all I could think about is how much new readers would have missed out on issue 1.

there are always backissues. ;) man, i would kill for a giant bean right now!

[Phil Hester]

Thanks for taking a chance on the book. I don't want to hover, so I'll stay out of the thread. If you guys and gals have a question or want to comment directly to me, just start a thread with "Hester" in the title. Thanks again!!

[ultramandingo]

So does Antman spoil what is gonna happen to Tony in Civil War? This seems to take place after the mini and they mention Tony getting hurt hmmmmmmmm..............


wasnt there some thing about an "evil" tony stark ( i know oxy-moran - hes a douche ) im to lazy and intoxicated to re read it again - if so...... bet he has an evil spock beard

[StoneGold]

So does Antman spoil what is gonna happen to Tony in Civil War? This seems to take place after the mini and they mention Tony getting hurt hmmmmmmmm..............
They're talking about Iron Maniac, the alternate dimensional Tony Stark from Marvel Team Up.

[Haunt]

there's some preview art from Irredeemable Ant-Man #3 up on Tom Brevoort's blog.

http://www.marvelcomics.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/

interesting. i wonder if those two are his parents. if so, his dad looks like a scumbag.

[Crimson]

nope, no spoilers. the scene referenced takes place in a flashback (Wolverine: Enemy of the State-era).

It's a reference to Iron Maniac from Marvel Team Up.

Tony Stark from another timeline

[Haunt]

It's a reference to Iron Maniac from Marvel Team Up.

Tony Stark from another timeline

there was more than one reference to Stark. at one point, the agents were talking about Stark not being Iron Man anymore. this occurred shortly after his identity was revealed and he fooled the public into thinking that he was no longer Iron Man. the second reference was the Iron Maniac being drug back to his prison cell aboard the Helicarrier. i was referencing the first.

[jam]

Crumbs, what a lot of postings.

I've only just received and read issue one. I absolutely loved it. Loved it from start to finish. I will be keeping it on my pull list. (Obviously I've already advance ordered it, anyhoo ...)

I hope it survives and gets a chance to prosper.

Great stuff. Great work all round. Keep it coming.

[Haunt]

Crumbs, what a lot of postings.

I've only just received and read issue one. I absolutely loved it. Loved it from start to finish. I will be keeping it on my pull list. (Obviously I've already advance ordered it, anyhoo ...)

I hope it survives and gets a chance to prosper.

Great stuff. Great work all round. Keep it coming.


issue #2 is out today. you should wait until you have both issues; to read them back to back.

[1WEBHEAD]

Since I'm too lazy to write a reveiw for the second issue let me just say this:

Eric O'Grady just went from a back stabbing jerk to a slimy, self centered jackass who needs to die for being such an extreme jackass.Seriously if you thought Ironman was a prick, wait till you read this issue!:evilsmile

[Haunt]

Since I'm too lazy to write a reveiw for the second issue let me just say this:

Eric O'Grady just went from a back stabbing jerk to a slimy, self centered jackass who needs to die for being such an extreme jackass.Seriously if you thought Ironman was a prick, wait till you read this issue!:evilsmile

i'll try to make a review. i'm really bad at writing these kinds of things. and, yeah, he was a jack@$$ but i can't fault him for not wanting to die.

[Shadow ES]

was anyone else struck by the number of ads in issue 2? It seems like every other page is an ad.

[Haunt]

was anyone else struck by the number of ads in issue 2? It seems like every other page is an ad.

that was with all of the books. the issue still had as many pages with story on them as issue 1.