What's Cool/What's Not - Gambit

[Tobias March]

I thought I'd drum up a thread about individual X-Men to talk about what we love/hate about them the most. Your average X-man has had approx half a dozen contracted writers telling and retelling their origins etc. A lot can get lost in the mix, or sometimes become refined. Ice-Man for one evolved from the class clown to a painfully insecure well-drawn character. On his good days that is.

But Gambit's something else. He has a pretty handy power in that anything spare change in his pocket is potentially a weapon. I prefer him more as having an sly sense of humour than being the man of mystery (@ James Logan 'Wolverine') yet sometimes that side of him plays well. When it's overdone though it can become irritating, which is a shame, as he's a character with a genuinely interesting past, when it isn't too confusing for the casual reader.

I'm fairly sure the Thief and Assassin guilds were Howard Mackie's idea, so the execution wasn't great in that crossover with Ghost Rider. But Belldadonna was pretty cool in the X-Men issues and the relationship they had was kind of touching.

For a couple of years Lobdell and Fabes had competing visions of who Gambit was. Lobdell wrote him as being weighed down by his sinful past and his role in the Mutant Massacre. He was emo before there was emo though - less tragic, more whining self-piteously. Fabes had a more fun approach. Gambit became the mutie Errol Flynn under him, an adventurer who would swoop through Parisian windows to steal the l'Etoile Tricherie. That issue was a favourite of mine. Sadly it was Lobdell and Loeb who won the day. Wolverine & Gambit the mini-series cemented the dark n gritty approach, which in my opinion was a mistake. We already have a Wolverine and countless other immitations.

So what do you think? Has Gambit survived his two decades of X? Or has he become a cliche?

[jen]

I actually really like Gambit. However, he is a very contraversal subject. The character has some of the most loyal and fanatical fanbases out there on the net. I feel for this topics safety. ;)

Having said that, like all characters in the Marvel Universe, he has suffered at the hands of badly thought out storylines, or ones that have never met fruition due to editorial changes. Right now he should be front and center with Sunfire dealing with the Apoccy/Sinny mess. Sending him off in limbo-land while at the beginning of his transformation is so jarring and unsettling. It's like that pilot episode of Aquaman, the stroy began, but now nothing...

Gambit has the potential to be a really good character again. But the whole Appocy mess has to be fixed or at least dealt with (hopefully by a decent writer). Then I would like to see them really taking him back to basics. Make him the master thief from NO. I can see him in a "DaVinci Code" type story. That really plays to his strengths of knowing about priceless art and artifacts while using his "skillz." :D

But currently, for the love of all that is holy, keep him away from Rogue for the time being. Let them both become themselves again before bring all that back again. ;)

[Kefky]

I think Fabian really made the character work in the late '90's on-going. He even made me care about the thieves' guild stuff, which I always tought was rubbish.

[TimGunn]

positives
-power, very cool
card theme is cool
-thief theme is cool

negatives
-classic costume
-adopted/doesn't know true heritage, so done
-big reveal of how he lead the mauraders into the morlock tunnels, who cares? if gambit hadn't done it, somebody else would have, BFD

[Mikl C]

He was cool, then they ruined him. Haven't cared about him in a LOOONG while.
When he first showed up he was b@d@ass, even on par with Wolverine in a fight. Then they made him whiny, got him into a doomed relationship with Rogue which did neither character justice.
His mini by Fabian was pretty cool, but almost every other appearance by him makes me cringe.
And the random french phrases... shudder. Sapristi! I saw twice in one issue. TWICE.
Mon cher, oui, non?
Whatever happened to BANG! You dead? lol

[Mikl C]

-big reveal of how he lead the mauraders into the morlock tunnels, who cares? if gambit hadn't done it, somebody else would have, BFD

Such as.. ermm a Morlock called Tommy that they FOLLOWED to the tunnels in the issue it began?!

[fishtaco]

Gambit was cool when he was first introduced, and for a year or so after that, but later writers just misunderstood the character and he drifted away from the original plan for him, replacing said vision with nonsense like the retcon in Uncanny X-Men #350 and a boring origin that caused the character to lose his mystique starting with X-Men (2nd Series) #8. His relationship with Rogue was done wrong and ruined both him as well as Rogue.

Gambit is at his best in Uncanny X-Men #'s 266-267, 270-278, Annual 14, X-Men (2nd Series) #'s 1-3.

[Hi-Fi]

I actually like his classic costume. Yeah, that's right, the pink one.

[Mikl C]

I actually like his classic costume. Yeah, that's right, the pink one.

MAGENTA1!!! :evilangry hehe.
It was better than his Reloaded one IMO...

[Balian]

What's cool - powers, looks, costume, dialogue.
What's not cool - his depiction of being a lovesick puppy in recent years, hopefully when he comes back he will be the charming Cajun we know he can be.

[Balian]

I actually like his classic costume. Yeah, that's right, the pink one.It's my favorite of Gambit's costumes, it just feels right.

[Hi-Fi]

I really like him in those first issues of X-Men. The flirting with Rogue was still fun and entertaining and I loved how smoking at the mansion was prohibited by Beast after a while. Remy was not happy.

[Deus ex Chris]

Eh. Gambit was a flash in the pan. He's a Cajun stereotype with an awful fashion sense, horrid dialect, and stupid weapons. Playing cards? Really?

Just look how quickly Rogue's cool points increased after Gambit was dropped. ;)

[jen]

This one's my favorite costume. :D

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/gams_1.jpg

[Balian]

Eh. Gambit was a flash in the pan. He's a Cajun stereotype with an awful fashion sense, horrid dialect, and stupid weapons. Playing cards? Really?

Just look how quickly Rogue's cool points increased after Gambit was dropped. ;)Horrid dialect? I have to disagree... ...so den de bartender, he say to Thibedeaux...'cause dat's how these stories, they be told inna Bayou country, hien -- pardonez-moi, mon brave, but Gambit must deal wit' some more of your compatriots. Un carte, a little dash o' mutant energy, an' when it hits...une belle explosion! Bada-bing! Bada-bang! Bada-BOOM!" - Cool as hell.

[MakeMineMarvel]

Actually loved the character when he was first introduced. He was mysterious and interesting. He does have cool power and the use of cards was cool. Great costume and personality...a charming ladies man.
But, somewhere along the line he just became misused and misguided. He was used like a Wolverine when clearly he shouldn't be, or shoudln't have been. I do agree that making him pine away for Rogue has affected both characters negatively.
I think we can fix him by simply reverting him back to how he originally was. He should be kind of a loner and let's face it, the dude is a man-whore. He doesn't need to be weighed down by one woman (who does?). Quit trying to make hime the savior of the X-Family and bring it back to the way it was.

[Sentinel K]

MAGENTA1!!! :evilangry hehe.
It was better than his Reloaded one IMO...

Do you mean Revoltion?


Cos his Revolution costume rocked!

[jen]

Cos his Revolution costume rocked!

No, no it didn't...

[Hi-Fi]

Do you mean Revoltion?


Cos his Revolution costume rocked!

Revoltion?? When was that? :confused:

[Deus ex Chris]

Horrid dialect? I have to disagree... ...so den de bartender, he say to Thibedeaux...'cause dat's how these stories, they be told inna Bayou country, hien -- pardonez-moi, mon brave, but Gambit must deal wit' some more of your compatriots. Un carte, a little dash o' mutant energy, an' when it hits...une belle explosion! Bada-bing! Bada-bang! Bada-BOOM!" - Cool as hell.
Being from south Louisiana myself, I find it irritating.

[Sentinel K]

Revoltion?? When was that? :confused:

When CC came back. The Neo etc.

[Canemacar]

His biggest problem is the writers. He's supposed to be a charming, devil-may-care thief. But for years now he's been nothing but love's fool. I think the romance with Rogue could have worked, but it has been done so badly that it definitely needs to stop, at least for now. The only good I can see coming out of Blood of Apocalypse is Gambit getting away from Rogue so he can be fixed by a writer who likes him(Nicieza is who I'd pick).

His origins aren't all that bad, but I think that with a character like Gambit, ANY origin would detract from the character. His past should remain a mystery to everyone, reader included with it being touched upon only by offhand comments by Gambit. They should rebuild the mysterious aspect of the character.

One of the biggest deficiencies with Gambit is in the character development area. Throughout much of the 90's he was locked in place with no development (much like Wolverine) by Marvel to cash in on his coolness. Well he's ridden that horse as far as it will take him. I think Remy is, behind all his flash and bravado, a very insecure person with definite intimacy issues(he grew up alone on the streets you know) and I'd like to see that explored a bit more.

A lot of writers don't seem to know how to write him, so they simply walk in the footsteps of those who came before and rehash the overhashed. This is the biggest flaw of the character, he so versatile that you can't pin him down if you don't really like the character. I see Gambit as a devil-may-care person who lives life like theres no tomorrow. He is a very independant person who wouldn't think twice about disobeying orders to do what he thinks is right. He's often cocky as hell, but only because he has a plan of some kind that only he knows about that'll pull his ass out of the fire if things go badly. Unpredictability is key. You should never know exactly what he'll do or who's side he's on(kinda like Jack Sparrow). I always imagined that he'd have a sardonic(and sometimes self-deprecating) wit.

Looking a bit deeper, I'd think he has a genuine love of adventure and excitement, but amplifies those parts of him as a way of covering up who he is on the inside, prefering to keep things casual.(Hawkeye summed this up best in an episode of M*A*S*H)

Another aspect that is often ignored is how many skills he has outside of his card-throwing. He is one of the few X-men who could still manage to be an X-man without any powers to back him up. This needs to be more apparent.

My favorite look is the classic one with the magenta breastplate. It was tacky as hell, but that only added to the charm of it as far as I'm concerned. It was a fun look and I'm getting sick of all the subdued costumes he's been getting. But if he goes on a mission where his skills as a thief will be needed, then he should switch it out for the X-Treme look.

I think he gets lot of flak for his accent that isn't deserved. Sure it's not going to be written perfectly and might be a bit hard to understand if way overdone, but I don't hear anyone pointing fingers at other characters such as Nightcrawler(some of the writers don't even know about the three genders in the language), Rogue(y'all is used to refer to a GROUP of people), or Colossus. I always liked how he spoke myself. I find it boring if everyone speaks in the Queen's English.

[Sentinel K]

No, no it didn't...

Oh yes it did.....

[Hi-Fi]

When CC came back. The Neo etc.

Bah, you totally missed my clever "making fun of you" moment.

[Balian]

Being from south Louisiana myself, I find it irritating.Sorry to hear that.

[Sentinel K]

Bah, you totally missed my clever "making fun of you" moment.

Oh I see.

The whole spelling Revolution wrong thing?

Your jokes are just too good for me. :D

[jen]

Oh yes it did.....

The guantlets, red bandana, metal knee guards...

There were so many things wrong with the Revolution look. It was a fashion don't. The only look of Gambit's that was ever OK, was his X-Treme look and even then the brown trench had to go. Sigh....

[Sentinel K]

The guantlets, red bandana, metal knee guards...

There were so many things wrong with the Revolution look. It was a fashion don't. The only look of Gambit's that was ever OK, was his X-Treme look and even then the brown trench had to go. Sigh....

It really wasn't a massive departure from his original look.

They just got rid of the pink armour and gave him the bandana/scarf/thingy.

Everything else that was changed was quite subtle.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you...:D

[Deus ex Chris]

Sorry to hear that.
Sorry to hear that I find it irritating or that I'm from south Louisiana?

[Hi-Fi]

The guantlets, red bandana, metal knee guards...

There were so many things wrong with the Revolution look. It was a fashion don't. The only look of Gambit's that was ever OK, was his X-Treme look and even then the brown trench had to go. Sigh....

To be fair, every X-Man got out of Revolution with horrid costumes. I wont even mention poor Rogue, or Kitty's new look.

[Deus ex Chris]

Bah, you totally missed my clever "making fun of you" moment.
I got it, poodle.

[Balian]

Sorry to hear that I find it irritating or that I'm from south Louisiana?That you find it irritating.

[Sentinel K]

To be fair, every X-Man got out of Revolution with horrid costumes. I wont even mention poor Rogue, or Kitty's new look.

yet you fail to mention Jean who had an awesome costume.

Rogue's was alright I reckon. Kitty's did suck though. And Storm's.


We need to stop having this conversation. I think this is the 3rd time.

[Hi-Fi]

yet you fail to mention Jean who had an awesome costume.

Rogue's was alright I reckon. Kitty's did suck though. And Storm's.


We need to stop having this conversation. I think this is the 3rd time.

Was Jean's the big red blur?






I kid, I kid. :D

[Niro]

Gambit was and still will be my favourite member of the x-men ever, but i hate how they made him into like a villain and then as one of Apocalypse' four horsemen.

I hope one day he'll go back to normal and then be able to re-join the x-men or at least aid them sometimes

[Pro]

Can't get more awesome than being a supersmurf who can suffocate people with farts emanating from his fingertips!

[X-Factor]

I like his powers and his visual, but otherwise I like nothing about him.

[d newton]

Eh. Gambit was a flash in the pan. He's a Cajun stereotype with an awful fashion sense, horrid dialect, and stupid weapons. Playing cards? Really?
Like Boom Boom with her time bombs & silly hat, you mean? :D

[Michael P]

Gambit has a cool power and a cool trenchcoat. Everything else sucks.

[Alan2099]

Gambit has suffered by being used improperly for a logn time.

At his core, he's more of a ysterious background guy. if you put him into the spotlight for too long, he looses that charm and edge. They've bascially took a rebel and tamed him for no apparent reason.

For the longest time, he's been a guy that hangs out at the X-mansion when he's really got no main reason for being there and tons of reasons for leaving. (this is a problem with lots of characters on the X-men though the years, and it only seems to get worse the more X-books they create.)

[Deus ex Chris]

Like Boom Boom with her time bombs & silly hat, you mean? :D
Exactly!

Of course, she's cool now. Thank you, Warren Ellis.


TICK TICK BOOM

[Pyro]

I like Gambit. I liked his X-treme and Reload costumes a lot. They had the classic elements, but weren't as gaudy as the original costume.

I think Death was a horrible direction for him. At least it's given him some time off to rejuvenate. Hopefully he'll be back and cool eventually.

I don't like him being attached to Rogue because I prefer to see him as a charmer of ze womenz. And Rogue seems better off without him. Though I think they complement each other well as characters ("Hey, we're both from the south!" lol). Maybe they should just be friends. I don't know.

[CE_Rap]

Fun-loving, sauve, bad-ass-----anyone part of a creative team with Gambit only need follow these three steps. Stir in a jar, and you've got a homegrown Ragin'-Cajun.

Is anyone familiar with the Jim Lee "X-Men/Wildcats" story that came out years ago? In it, Gambit wore pretty much the same outfit (his classic one), but instead of magenta, it was silver, as were his boots. THAT was my favorite look. But if he were to, say, actually have a role in teh "X-Men" movies, i think i'd want him to have a costume like this.

My alterations would be an all black breastplate. Since it's metallic-like, the reflections off of lights (different colored lights, specifically) would allow for interesting effects. The boots would be the same, all black, then just give him a long leather black coat. Long dark hair, black eyes with red irises, four day old stuble, and there you go. The X-Treme costume would have worked if the coat was black too.

Anyway, onto the character himself. Everyone who said care-free, fun-loving, carpe diem-esque, woman loving charmer with a dark past---BRAVO! He's lost that appeal horribly, dragging not only him, but Rogue as well.

I think the problem was that he just got too serious. I wanted him to be really witty and stay that way. But he didn't. Gambit and Rogue's relationship should have been the most fun to observe of all the other X-relationships. The way it was in the beginning of vol. 2 (X-Men) is the way it should have stayed. Even AFTER they were an item!! He should always be flirting and being suave to every female in the mansion, pissing Rogue off, but in a comical way. I think the cartoon did this REALLY well for the most part. They were so funny together. Then, every ONCE in a while, you show that the scoundrel has a heart. Maybe he'll finally say just the right words that really make Rogue melt. He'd be so sauve about it that she'd blush, but she'd still keep her guard up. And of course, he'll be charming some other girl the very next day. ;)

And by charming, i mean being witty, not being a desperate, snatch hungry, immature boob! Gambit's should be the epitome of cool, not a stupid teenager who can't keep his hormones in check. He and Rogue should be in love, but i wish they never fell so hard/so fast/so foolishly. It should have been played with for much longer. They should've really had to "court" each other, both of them attracted to the other and feeling the chemistry, but never devulging their pasts, unsure if they can trust each other.

What i loved about Nicieza (if that's wrong, sorry) is that Gambit was being very inventive with his powers. GAmbit #1, vol. 3-----I think Gambit was in the air for that entire issue. :p
I never even knew Gambit could channel his abilty through other places besides his hands. Spitting a charged piece of gum at Executioner was SICK!! Charging someone's belt in a fight, OMG!! That's stuff he should've been always doing! The cards are a very nice graphic element to him, so that's why i like them. They've become like Cyke's visor/Wolverine's claws/Kitty's dragon---an extension of him that makes him recognizable.

I like his connection to Sinister, personally. The mutant massacre is a bit much though. I wish instead of having something that retconned the massacre, he was just a long time partner of Sinister's. As in, Sinister was his "agent" for most of his jobs for years. I mean, that alone is bad enough. And i think that would have maintained the element of his mystique. Maybe he found out about Sinsiter's hand in the massacre, and that's why he quit.

When he comes back, i hope he loses the gas S___, cuz that's just stupid!! Turn him back to normal, give him kinetic eye beams (:D that'd be fun:D ), and call it a day. No more whining "Roguie-this--Remy-that"

[Hi-Fi]

Fun-loving, sauve, bad-ass-----anyone part of a creative team with Gambit only need follow these three steps. Stir in a jar, and you've got a homegrown Ragin'-Cajun.

Is anyone familiar with the Jim Lee "X-Men/Wildcats" story that came out years ago? In it, Gambit wore pretty much the same outfit (his classic one), but instead of magenta, it was silver, as were his boots. THAT was my favorite look. But if he were to, say, actually have a role in teh "X-Men" movies, i think i'd want him to have a costume like this.

My alterations would be an all black breastplate. Since it's metallic-like, the reflections off of lights (different colored lights, specifically) would allow for interesting effects. The boots would be the same, all black, then just give him a long leather black coat. Long dark hair, black eyes with red irises, four day old stuble, and there you go. The X-Treme costume would have worked if the coat was black too.

Anyway, onto the character himself. Everyone who said care-free, fun-loving, carpe diem-esque, woman loving charmer with a dark past---BRAVO! He's lost that appeal horribly, dragging not only him, but Rogue as well.

I think the problem was that he just got too serious. I wanted him to be really witty and stay that way. But he didn't. Gambit and Rogue's relationship should have been the most fun to observe of all the other X-relationships. The way it was in the beginning of vol. 2 (X-Men) is the way it should have stayed. Even AFTER they were an item!! He should always be flirting and being suave to every female in the mansion, pissing Rogue off, but in a comical way. I think the cartoon did this REALLY well for the most part. They were so funny together. Then, every ONCE in a while, you show that the scoundrel has a heart. Maybe he'll finally say just the right words that really make Rogue melt. He'd be so sauve about it that she'd blush, but she'd still keep her guard up. And of course, he'll be charming some other girl the next day. ;)

And by charming, i mean being witty, not being a desperate, snatch hungry, immature boob! Gambit's should be the epitome of cool, not a stupid teenager who can't keep his hormones in check. He and Rogue should be in love, but i wish they never fell so hard/so fast/so foolishly. It should have been played with for much longer. He should've really had to "court" each other, both of them attracted to the other and feeling the chemistry, but never devulging their pasts, unsure if they can trust each other.

What i loved about Nicieza (if that's wrong, sorry) is that Gambit was being very inventive with his powers. GAmbit #1, vol. 3-----I think Gambit was in teh air for that entire issue. :p
I never even knew Gambit could channel his abilty through other places besides his hands. Spitting a charged piece of gum at Executioner was SICK!! Charging someone's belt in a fight!! That's stuff he should've been always doing! The cards are a very nice graphic element to him, so that's why i like them. They've become like Cyke's visor/Wolverine's claws/Kitty's dragon---an extension of him that makes him recognizable.

I like his connection to Sinister, personally. The mutant massacre is a bit much though. I wish instead of having something that retconned, he was just a long time partner of Sinister's. As in, Sinister was his "agent" for most of his jobs for years. I mean, that alone is bad enough. And i think that would have maintained the element of his mystique. Maybe he found out about Sinsiter's hand in the massacre, and that's why he quit.

When he comes back, i hope he loses the gas S___, cuz that's just stupid!! Turn him back to normal, give him kinetic eye beams (:D that's be fun:D ), and call it a day. No more whining "Roguie-this--Remy-that"

You said all that needed to be said. We can close this thread now.

[Niro]

Damn right to the above! You should have written the comics featuring gambit lol

[Nomad]

Gambit has one of the best X-names, a great set of powers, and dialogue that could write itself under a decent writer. I never understood how this character lost my interest. I understand a "faux" step, but for the majority of his career as an X-Man? I always like when a character can pick a lock by charging a toothpick with kinetic energy. I'm not worried about Gambit's future. Some writer will force his comeback down our throats.

[Tobias March]

You said all that needed to be said. We can close this thread now.

Agreed CE_Rap nailed it. Any suggestions for who we should discuss next? I vote Storm myself.

[Canemacar]

Fun-loving, sauve, bad-ass-----anyone part of a creative team with Gambit only need follow these three steps. Stir in a jar, and you've got a homegrown Ragin'-Cajun.

Is anyone familiar with the Jim Lee "X-Men/Wildcats" story that came out years ago? In it, Gambit wore pretty much the same outfit (his classic one), but instead of magenta, it was silver, as were his boots. THAT was my favorite look. But if he were to, say, actually have a role in teh "X-Men" movies, i think i'd want him to have a costume like this.

My alterations would be an all black breastplate. Since it's metallic-like, the reflections off of lights (different colored lights, specifically) would allow for interesting effects. The boots would be the same, all black, then just give him a long leather black coat. Long dark hair, black eyes with red irises, four day old stuble, and there you go. The X-Treme costume would have worked if the coat was black too.

Anyway, onto the character himself. Everyone who said care-free, fun-loving, carpe diem-esque, woman loving charmer with a dark past---BRAVO! He's lost that appeal horribly, dragging not only him, but Rogue as well.

I think the problem was that he just got too serious. I wanted him to be really witty and stay that way. But he didn't. Gambit and Rogue's relationship should have been the most fun to observe of all the other X-relationships. The way it was in the beginning of vol. 2 (X-Men) is the way it should have stayed. Even AFTER they were an item!! He should always be flirting and being suave to every female in the mansion, pissing Rogue off, but in a comical way. I think the cartoon did this REALLY well for the most part. They were so funny together. Then, every ONCE in a while, you show that the scoundrel has a heart. Maybe he'll finally say just the right words that really make Rogue melt. He'd be so sauve about it that she'd blush, but she'd still keep her guard up. And of course, he'll be charming some other girl the very next day. ;)

And by charming, i mean being witty, not being a desperate, snatch hungry, immature boob! Gambit's should be the epitome of cool, not a stupid teenager who can't keep his hormones in check. He and Rogue should be in love, but i wish they never fell so hard/so fast/so foolishly. It should have been played with for much longer. They should've really had to "court" each other, both of them attracted to the other and feeling the chemistry, but never devulging their pasts, unsure if they can trust each other.

What i loved about Nicieza (if that's wrong, sorry) is that Gambit was being very inventive with his powers. GAmbit #1, vol. 3-----I think Gambit was in the air for that entire issue. :p
I never even knew Gambit could channel his abilty through other places besides his hands. Spitting a charged piece of gum at Executioner was SICK!! Charging someone's belt in a fight, OMG!! That's stuff he should've been always doing! The cards are a very nice graphic element to him, so that's why i like them. They've become like Cyke's visor/Wolverine's claws/Kitty's dragon---an extension of him that makes him recognizable.

I like his connection to Sinister, personally. The mutant massacre is a bit much though. I wish instead of having something that retconned the massacre, he was just a long time partner of Sinister's. As in, Sinister was his "agent" for most of his jobs for years. I mean, that alone is bad enough. And i think that would have maintained the element of his mystique. Maybe he found out about Sinsiter's hand in the massacre, and that's why he quit.

When he comes back, i hope he loses the gas S___, cuz that's just stupid!! Turn him back to normal, give him kinetic eye beams (:D that'd be fun:D ), and call it a day. No more whining "Roguie-this--Remy-that"

If you aren't working for Marvel, you should be.

[The Mirrorball Man]

In addition to what has already been said, I think some characters can be rejuvenated by being associated with another character. Most people agree that the Gambit/Rogue pairing has been disastrous for both characters, and that it's time to put an end to that association.

Now, if Remy and say, Scott Summers were to become friends, I think it would create all kinds of interesting developments for both characters, not unlike what has happened throughout the years with the Logan/Kurt friendship. The uncontrollable charming scoundrel and the straightlaced neurotic leader would be great foils for each other.

[Sentinel K]

In addition to what has already been said, I think some characters can be rejuvenated by being associated with another character. Most people agree that the Gambit/Rogue pairing has been disastrous for both characters, and that it's time to put an end to that association.

Now, if Remy and say, Scott Summers were to become friends, I think it would create all kinds of interesting developments for both characters, not unlike what has happened throughout the years with the Logan/Kurt friendship. The uncontrollable charming scoundrel and the straightlaced neurotic leader would be great foils for each other.

This is just one of the reasons why i'm not a big fan of seperate casts. No intereaction.

There are actually a number of characters who I'm aware (from what I've read) have never really interacted much.

Gambit - Shadowcat
Gambit - Nightcrawler
Bishop - Havok

Those are just off the top of my head.

[Tobias March]

In addition to what has already been said, I think some characters can be rejuvenated by being associated with another character. Most people agree that the Gambit/Rogue pairing has been disastrous for both characters, and that it's time to put an end to that association.

Now, if Remy and say, Scott Summers were to become friends, I think it would create all kinds of interesting developments for both characters, not unlike what has happened throughout the years with the Logan/Kurt friendship. The uncontrollable charming scoundrel and the straightlaced neurotic leader would be great foils for each other.

I do seem to recall Scott and Remy having increasingly friendly conversations towards the end of Fabes run. Not that Gambit let his guard down, but he wasn't out n out antagonistic towards Cyclops.

[Tobias March]

feck feckity feck feck feck

[Tobias March]

damn double damn daymn

[Canemacar]

As far as friendships go, the ones that interested me the most were ones with Logan and Nightcrawler. Logan draws out the brooding badass part of Gambit while I imagine NC would bring out the mischevious scoundrel aspect of him. A friendship with Colossus could be interesting.

[Balian]

I find the idea of Gambit and Nightcrawler interesting, but I've always had a thing for Gambit and Bishop.

[Deus ex Chris]

Now, if Remy and say, Scott Summers were to become friends, I think it would create all kinds of interesting developments for both characters, not unlike what has happened throughout the years with the Logan/Kurt friendship. The uncontrollable charming scoundrel and the straightlaced neurotic leader would be great foils for each other.
That's the kind of dynamic he has with Storm. Why repeat it?

[CE_Rap]

Hi-Fi, Tobias March, and Canemacar/

Thanks for your kind words. Very appreciated.:) (Marvel is getting within my grasp, in case anyone cared)

Tobias March, one conversation between Gambit and Cyke that i really loved was during Uncanny #318/ the issue where Jubes was leaving for Generation X. They had a great convo in which Gambit was teasing/admiring Scott for having found in Jean such a good woman.

When Cyke asks Gambit "And what you have with Rogue, what do you call that?" --to which Remy replies (with a sinister grin) "I guess it depends on what day of the week it is." That's always been one of my favorite interactions between X-characters. (And Lobdell wrote that:eek: )

If anyone wants to tackle Storm, too, I'm game. Although we'll have to change the Thread's name:)

[Pro]

I wouldn't exactly call storm straightlaced and neurotic, i think most of that was washed away after her Mohawk period, long before Gambit came around.
If anything Storm can sometimes be a little too secure about herself, almost aloof is she doesn't guard herself against it, remnants of the time she was called goddess and the fact she can fend for herself quite well.

Scott on the other hand is pretty uptight, brooding and filled with selfdoubt even when he tries to put up a tough front.

Not exactly the same dynamic.

Plus Storm and Gambit kissed one time, i haven't seen that kind of dynamic between Scott and Gambit yet ;p

[Canemacar]

Then stay away from fanfics.

[mastaflan]

Gambit should have stopped hanging out with the X-mena long time ago. He should have joined the Thunderbolts instead or become a regular in Cable Deadpool.

[The Mirrorball Man]

That's the kind of dynamic he has with Storm. Why repeat it?
Storm is not around. And she's such a damaged character herself that she can't really be used to rejuvenate Gambit.

[Canemacar]

Gambit should have stopped hanging out with the X-mena long time ago. He should have joined the Thunderbolts instead or become a regular in Cable Deadpool.


Can't argue with that logic....

[Mystique's Rogue]

Eh. Gambit was a flash in the pan. He's a Cajun stereotype with an awful fashion sense, horrid dialect, and stupid weapons. Playing cards? Really?

Just look how quickly Rogue's cool points increased after Gambit was dropped. ;)


I'm a Romy shipper. The Rogue and Gambit romance was started good in the early issues of X-Men (2nd series). Jim Lee was still with Marvel during that time. I don't know if he has anything to do with Romy but I wonder what would have happened if he has stayed. I think he likes Gambit.

Also, it's because writers didn't write them well in the later issues. Everybody hates how Milligan how written Romy so Rogue earned a lot of cool points right after she was passed on to Carey. Some writers just don't appreciate the relationship and the two characters and the relationship therefore suffered.

I think XTAS did a great job with Rogue, Gambit and their romance. They were able to make Rogue and Gambit shine as individuals and as a couple. That goes to show that Rogue can be paired with Gambit and still come off as her usual tough, kick-ass, cool, and sexy self. And XTAS Rogue is better than the Rogue now (who isn't with Gambit) which Carey is writing. Don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against Carey. He likes Rogue. He writes her well and I'm grateful for that. ;) But XTAS Rogue gained way MORE cool points than the Rogue now and XTAS Rogue was with Gambit. :) So, I don't think it has anything to do with Gambit.

I don't know if some people like it too but I like how Claremont has written Rogue, Gambit and Romy in XXM. Rogue was awesome. She was her usual, hot-headed, defiant, stubborn, tough and cool self. She was a fighter, she was so strong yet so emotional. She was focused on their mission as X-Men. She'd do everything in her power to do her job as an X-Man but she also shows that she's frustrated and angry, and that there's also this side of her which is emotional and shows she's a girl who's in love, with Gambit.
Gambit was written well too. Claremont shows his excellent hand-to-hand combat skills along his way to find the woman he loves in the silent issue of XXM. Claremont also shows a touching, intense and extreme moment between Remy and Rogue when Gambit was about to die and Rogue wouldn't let him go. We also see in the later issues that they could touch each other. I like the Xtreme X-Men issues. I like the story and how the personalities of the characters were treated. I hope CC will write Rogue and Romy again.

I like Gambit. He's a great character. I find his love story with Rogue touching. That a man who could have any woman he wanted would choose to love a woman whom he can't touch.

Gambit being turned into a horseman needs to be retconned by the way and I hope Nicieza could do it. He may be the writer who should repair Gambit after he was treated badly by some writers. He shows he cares for the character even when he wasn't writing him. He made a comment about how Gambit's past was ruined in UXM 350 when the writers of the said issue involved him in the massacre. I posted his comment in the other thread in this site too so I won't post it here anymore.

What's cool:

Gambit's powers and his extreme agility and excellent hand-to-hand combat skills.
His red eyes, appeal and looks.
The uniform Jim Lee gave him.
His past.
His character, that he's the scoundrel with a heart of gold. He's a charmer and a ladies' man. He's a rogue.
His love for Rogue.

Quote from someone, a fan I guess. ( Got this from Rfingers Rogue and Gambit site)

"This couple makes mores sense than everyone gives them credit for...They are kindred spirits. What other man would go at it for this long, just to get a kiss he knows will render him unconscious? What other woman can teach a man who's concentrated more on the physical love than the benefits of emotional love?"
-Cami, deja.com boards, 1994

Joe Quesada's comment about Gambit and Romy (taken from the The French Quarter Rogue and Gambit site):

" Gambit came out during the glut and when everything X-Men was making people rich. That said, he may be one of the most interesting characters to come out of that era. His origin, his ancestry, all of it is fantastically Shakespearean. Add the cool visual and a fantastic name and you have the building blocks of a great character. [...] Here’s a good test that gives you an idea of why I think Gambit is cool, take away his mutant powers, take away his cool black and red eyes and he’s still remarkably interesting. The whole Thieves Guild thing and his upbringing - it’s just fascinating stuff. You could right a movie around this character without ever having to use a single super power."

" Now, [...] while the relationship between Gambit and Rogue is truly one of the great love stories in all comics, in many ways it hurt both characters. Why? It’s simple, Rogue and Gambit became so synonymous with each other that it’s very hard to launch solo series with them without having the other in it. The relationship became so strong that one defined the other and fans didn’t want to see them apart."

[Canemacar]

Anyone who writes Gambit, Rogue, or Romy should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch them in TAS. That cartoon was everything the comics should strive for.

[jen]

It's best right now to keep them apart. Gambit needs to get his character back to basics. Rogue is currently doing great without him.

[Mystique's Rogue]

I wouldn't exactly call storm straightlaced and neurotic, i think most of that was washed away after her Mohawk period, long before Gambit came around.
If anything Storm can sometimes be a little too secure about herself, almost aloof is she doesn't guard herself against it, remnants of the time she was called goddess and the fact she can fend for herself quite well.

Scott on the other hand is pretty uptight, brooding and filled with selfdoubt even when he tries to put up a tough front.

Not exactly the same dynamic.

Plus Storm and Gambit kissed one time, i haven't seen that kind of dynamic between Scott and Gambit yet ;p

Oh I know that kiss. Are you talking about the issue in Xtreme X-Men wherein the following dialogue appeared:

Storm: Rogue will kill us both for this.
Gambit: You just got a kiss, 'ro. She owns my heart. (:evilsmile )
Storm: Oh, for the first time, I envy her.

[Faded]

It's best right now to keep them apart. Gambit needs to get his character back to basics. Rogue is currently doing great without him.

*COMMERICAL BREAK*

Where is your avatar from, I don't even remember seeing something so gorgeous! :eek: Stop compelling me to jealousy! Just stop!

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Oh and I agree. As a question to Gambit and Rogue fans, is everything you like of the couple from the cartoon? I mean I'll admit I'm NO Gambit fan by any means, but with them apart maybe that could change.

[jen]

*COMMERICAL BREAK*

Where is your avatar from, I don't even remember seeing something so gorgeous! :eek: Stop compelling me to jealousy! Just stop!


Thanks again for the avatar-love! :D

That's just a purdy pick of the devious Serefina from X-Men #190. It's the scene where she tells Perro she's gonna deal with the X-Men herself. The beautious-ness is all Chris B's fault! ;)

Oh and Gambit, yeah he is a cool guy, if only someone would add him to their roster.

[Omega Alpha]

I do seem to recall Scott and Remy having increasingly friendly conversations towards the end of Fabes run. Not that Gambit let his guard down, but he wasn't out n out antagonistic towards Cyclops.

Yeah, they were becoming, or were already, friends. Can't see them becoming best pals ever, though.

[Sentinel K]

ROMY!!!!?

ROMY!!!!?

WTF is this?

Jesus wept.

[John Doe Jnr]

I find the idea of Gambit and Nightcrawler interesting, but I've always had a thing for Gambit and Bishop.

The Bishop and Gambit relationship from the 90's has always been fun. They were the Luke Cage/ Iron Fist for me.

[Mystique's Rogue]

*COMMERICAL BREAK*

Where is your avatar from, I don't even remember seeing something so gorgeous! :eek: Stop compelling me to jealousy! Just stop!

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Oh and I agree. As a question to Gambit and Rogue fans, is everything you like of the couple from the cartoon? I mean I'll admit I'm NO Gambit fan by any means, but with them apart maybe that could change.

The answer to your question is no.


It's best right now to keep them apart. Gambit needs to get his character back to basics. Rogue is currently doing great without him.

I know :). Gambit needs to be repaired first they become a couple again. I just don't agree when some people say that Gambit ruined Rogue or vice versa. They're entitled to their own opinion about Romy but I'm just stating my opinion. :P. Whatever.

[John Doe Jnr]

I remember a old X-Men novel in which Gambit actually had to fight Rogue so she wouldn't run off with Sinister to get a cure for her power. It was the first time I saw Gambit being a real hero, doing anything and everything to stop her.

[Mystique's Rogue]

I remember a old X-Men novel in which Gambit actually had to fight Rogue so she wouldn't run off with Sinister to get a cure for her power. It was the first time I saw Gambit being a real hero, doing anything and everything to stop her.

Yeah, but I don't think it was 616. I forgot the title.