thor vs firestorm

[hitokiri_]

bloodlust on.

[Nik Hasta]

Can Thor breath metal?

[Charge]

Isn't Thor a low level speedster? If so then Thor by virtue of getting the first shot off... Otherwise Firestar turns the air in Thor's lungs (and the air around Thor) into promethium...

[cappa donna]

Well you can't say that like Thor can't manipulate matter himself. If you got 2 matter manipulators fighting then how does one beat the other. By punching him in his face. Thor 7/10

[Fooh01]

Thor can manipulate matter, and create anti matter, thor take this

[Mr. Koontz]

Well you can't say that like Thor can't manipulate matter himself. If you got 2 matter manipulators fighting then how does one beat the other. By punching him in his face. Thor 7/10

when has Thor ever been shown to manipulate matter?

create dimensional portals and summon storms and what not yeah, but i have never seen Thor transmute anything.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

when has Thor ever been shown to manipulate matter?

create dimensional portals and summon storms and what not yeah, but i have never seen Thor transmute anything.


he created anti-matter

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

firestorms a beast....but i think thors faster and more verisatyle..he might be able to slam him with lighting before firestorm does something to the thunder god.

i dont think hels gonna survive thro going all out...victory via the dishonrably cheap speed blitz

[Atom_basher]

when has Thor ever been shown to manipulate matter?

create dimensional portals and summon storms and what not yeah, but i have never seen Thor transmute anything.


One of the rarely seen little tricks thor can do, I think it was in excalibur, kitty pryde phased him into the ground, and he unfused the ground using mjolnir, by using anti matter

[lucasb]

when has Thor ever been shown to manipulate matter?


Thor debates are always tricky, because the hammer he carries is literally a deus ex machina, and can do whatever the plot requires at the time.

In his first battle with Hyperion, he whirled the hammer and cast a spell that:

1. Took away Hyperion's powers
2. Shrank him to six inches tall
3. Encased him in a glass bubble

He had never done that before, and he's never done it since.

Now, if Superman ever pulled a "depower-shrink-and-imprison-your-opponent" power out of his ass, Thor fans would shit a Buick. But we've become so used to this kind of silliness from the Thunder God, that little things like timestops and transmutation are taken as a matter of course.

Makes meaningful debates awful hard, though.

Firestorm should win. He could just transmute the air around Thor into solid adamantium. And I don't think Thor can pull any of his tricks if he can't spin the hammer. But I would not be in the least surprised if someone doesn't have an issue somewhere that proves Thor can teleport without moving, or some other annoyingly improbable feat...

[da noble savage]

um has he ever transmutted agin if not then we can't count that power,he could just blitz him duh before firstorm has time to do anything.

[Black Atom]

So, wait, Thor does blitz? Have we decided that now?

[da noble savage]

So, wait, Thor does blitz? Have we decided that now?

well he does have superspeed just debateable about how much.

[Atom_basher]

Now, if Superman ever pulled a "depower-shrink-and-imprison-your-opponent" power out of his ass, Thor fans would shit a Buick. But we've become so used to this kind of silliness from the Thunder God, that little things like timestops and transmutation are taken as a matter of course.


What the hell does superman have to do with this?


um has he ever transmutted agin if not then we can't count that power,he could just blitz him duh before firstorm has time to do anything.

Thats like saying a mage cant use a spell he has used more than once in an arena battle, its just somthing his magical hammer can do.....live with it

[Lochdale]

when has Thor ever been shown to manipulate matter?

create dimensional portals and summon storms and what not yeah, but i have never seen Thor transmute anything.

He transmuted the Absorbing Man into a harmless gas. He transmuted molten lava into metal.

[Lochdale]

Now, if Superman ever pulled a "depower-shrink-and-imprison-your-opponent" power out of his ass, Thor fans would shit a Buick. But we've become so used to this kind of silliness from the Thunder God, that little things like timestops and transmutation are taken as a matter of course.

Makes meaningful debates awful hard, though.




Not really, no. Thor has stopped time twice. Two seperate feats. Not bad for a guy with about 1/4 of the appeances as Superman. Transmution? Oh at least 2 times with another 3 feats that could be added into the mix.

Feeling silly now?


Firestorm should win. He could just transmute the air around Thor into solid adamantium. And I don't think Thor can pull any of his tricks if he can't spin the hammer. But I would not be in the least surprised if someone doesn't have an issue somewhere that proves Thor can teleport without moving, or some other annoyingly improbable feat

Thor also has a resistance to transmution (ask Sersi). And Thor can summon lightning with or without the hammer with merely a thought. Is Firestorm fast enough to dodge lightning...I don't think so. Thor for the KO.

[da noble savage]

Not really, no. Thor has stopped time twice. Two seperate feats. Not bad for a guy with about 1/4 of the appeances as Superman. Transmution? Oh at least 2 times with another 3 feats that could be added into the mix.

Feeling silly now?



Thor also has a resistance to transmution (ask Sersi). And Thor can summon lightning with or without the hammer with merely a thought. Is Firestorm fast enough to dodge lightning...I don't think so. Thor for the KO.

can i get example's of the time's he's transmuted.

[Atom_basher]

can i get example's of the time's he's transmuted.



He transmuted the Absorbing Man into a harmless gas. He transmuted molten lava into metal.


There ya go

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

can i get example's of the time's he's transmuted.


methinks he's also transmutetd absorbing man into cocain then fkushed him down the toilet.

witch was really dickish of him

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Thor debates are always tricky, because the hammer he carries is literally a deus ex machina, and can do whatever the plot requires at the time.

In his first battle with Hyperion, he whirled the hammer and cast a spell that:

1. Took away Hyperion's powers
2. Shrank him to six inches tall
3. Encased him in a glass bubble

He had never done that before, and he's never done it since.

Now, if Superman ever pulled a "depower-shrink-and-imprison-your-opponent" power out of his ass, Thor fans would shit a Buick. But we've become so used to this kind of silliness from the Thunder God, that little things like timestops and transmutation are taken as a matter of course.

Makes meaningful debates awful hard, though.

Firestorm should win. He could just transmute the air around Thor into solid adamantium. And I don't think Thor can pull any of his tricks if he can't spin the hammer. But I would not be in the least surprised if someone doesn't have an issue somewhere that proves Thor can teleport without moving, or some other annoyingly improbable feat...


firslty i dont see ubberman in this debate..and frankly...when a guy has man handled black holwes sneezed out solar systems..and done all these other insane things over the past seventy some years

really now..dont rank on thor for teleporting and time stopping and doing all that other sutff..his most insane feat..dosent even come close to supermans insanity.

ofcorse, teleporting when he is imobile since i think thor needs his hammer.wouldint make sense at all

he's yet do it though

[Charge]

If Thor can do all this then why doesn't he just Turn ultron into cotton candy?


Also: No one argued that Firestorm could transmute Thor! Hell, one of Firestorm's weaknesses is that he can't affect organic matter... What people are saying is that he could transmute the air around Thor...

[Atom_basher]

If Thor can do all this then why doesn't he just Turn ultron into cotton candy?


Also: No one argued that Firestorm could transmute Thor! Hell, one of Firestorm's weaknesses is that he can't affect organic matter... What people are saying is that he could transmute the air around Thor...


Why doesnt Flash throw all his rogues gallery into the sun?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

If Thor can do all this then why doesn't he just Turn ultron into cotton candy?


Also: No one argued that Firestorm could transmute Thor! Hell, one of Firestorm's weaknesses is that he can't affect organic matter... What people are saying is that he could transmute the air around Thor...


PIS flash superman johnny boy jones and the jla know it well

[Lochdale]

If Thor can do all this then why doesn't he just Turn ultron into cotton candy?


Also: No one argued that Firestorm could transmute Thor! Hell, one of Firestorm's weaknesses is that he can't affect organic matter... What people are saying is that he could transmute the air around Thor...

If Thor actually needs to breathe. It all depends on the writer. One has him joking in space the other has him fighting space lizzards (yes, it was the 70s) and commenting how he doesn't need to breathe in space.

The space lizzards took over Asgard by the way.

They were lizzard pirates to be exact. Well, lizzard pirates who happened to be in space.

[Nik Hasta]

If Thor actually needs to breathe. It all depends on the writer. One has him joking in space the other has him fighting space lizzards (yes, it was the 70s) and commenting how he doesn't need to breathe in space.

The space lizzards took over Asgard by the way.

They were lizzard pirates to be exact. Well, lizzard pirates who happened to be in space.

That sounds like a good story.

Firestorm could always transmute Thors hammer into sponge as soon as he begins spinning it.

[Charge]

That sounds like a good story.

Firestorm could always transmute Thors hammer into sponge as soon as he begins spinning it.

No. Simply no. Thor’s hammer has just too much magical mumbo-jumbo floating around inside it for that to happen...

[hitokiri_]

well, i think (i might be mistaken), current firestorm can affect organics now. or if not, he can just bond with thor.

can't firestorm just transmute thor's clothes in to adamantium, his helmet into promethium? and fill the air around him with dandelions?

[lucasb]

Not really, no. Thor has stopped time twice. Two seperate feats. Not bad for a guy with about 1/4 of the appeances as Superman. Transmution? Oh at least 2 times with another 3 feats that could be added into the mix.

Feeling silly now?

Well, no.
I think you misunderstood my point, and you've actually CONFIRMED what I'm arguing. The point that Thor can pull new powers out of nowhere which were never seen before, and are rarely (if ever) seen again. He stopped time. A power I'll bet was never even hinted at before the first time he did it, and only used one other time in forty-plus years.

There was a quotation I saw once (don't recall just where): "His powers are so poorly defined, he just might be omnipotent!"

That's what I mean by deus ex machina. Literally, the God Machine, which describes the hammer perfectly, as well as Thor's ability to come up with a never-before-seen power when the plot calls for it.

Only the most ardent Thor fans can possibly keep track of all the bizarre things he's done over all those years, yet practically every Thor battle I've seen on this board, someone will drag out the timestop. Or God Blast, or some other once-in-a-lifetime power that appeared to save the day in some long-gone story, and then vanished forever (or perhaps had one or two additional appearances).

Oh, and for those who asked: I dragged Superman into this just to illustrate the contrast: Supes has clearly-defined powers. Many people object when he does ridiculous things like handling a black hole. But that's still just the powers you know he has, carried to an absurd extreme. Thor might come up with a new power that turns a black hole into a rutabaga for easy transport.


Thor also has a resistance to transmution (ask Sersi). And Thor can summon lightning with or without the hammer with merely a thought. Is Firestorm fast enough to dodge lightning...I don't think so. Thor for the KO.

Didn't say he'd turn Thor into adamantium. Said he'd turn the air AROUND him into it, encasing him in tons of indestructible metal, so tightly that he can't move at all. Can he teleport without spinning the hammer? Can he hit Firestorm with lightning if he can't see him?
And I don't think Thor can go INDEFINITELY without air...

[lucasb]

double post...

[jadehorde]

Not really, no. Thor has stopped time twice. Two seperate feats. Not bad for a guy with about 1/4 of the appeances as Superman. Transmution? Oh at least 2 times with another 3 feats that could be added into the mix.

Feeling silly now?



Thor also has a resistance to transmution (ask Sersi). And Thor can summon lightning with or without the hammer with merely a thought. Is Firestorm fast enough to dodge lightning...I don't think so. Thor for the KO.


Not that I think he wins, but Firestorm can easily dodge lightning...he can go intangible last I remember.

[jadehorde]

Why doesnt Flash throw all his rogues gallery into the sun?

Well that's easy. Flash doesn't routinely kill anyone.

[Atom_basher]

Well that's easy. Flash doesn't routinely kill anyone.


but its within his powers.

[jadehorde]

but its within his powers.

I suppose, depending on how you interpret some powers...but you asked why he didn't.

Not why he couldn't.

[becominAfanAgain]

Oh, and for those who asked: I dragged Superman into this just to illustrate the contrast: Supes has clearly-defined powers. Many people object when he does ridiculous things like handling a black hole. But that's still just the powers you know he has, carried to an absurd extreme. Thor might come up with a new power that turns a black hole into a rutabaga for easy transport.


Well the fact that Thor is a God is a big factor and the Hammer he has being magical gives him the benefit of doing new tricks. A God with a magical hammer really doesn't have any boundaries if you really think about it. It all depends on the knowledge he has while using his magic. And he doesn't always have to spin the hammer for it to work.