Iron Man after Civil War....

[Zero Hunter]

Am I the only one that think that Iron Man after CW will be someone besides Tony Stark? Lets face it Tony has become such a borderline villian that I just can't see them leaving him in the suit. I really think He is losing it when it comes to this issue. He creates clones of one of his oldest freinds to help bolster his army. You know what the MAJOR flaw of that whole thing is? HE HAS A FRICKEN ARMY WORTH OF OLD IRON MAN SUITS IN STORAGE!!! Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sence for him to outfit a group out of them instead of playing mad scientist and perverting the legacy of one of his oldest friends? Did Millar just forget the Stark has at least 20 or 30 old suits just lying around? And after the what goes on between him and Spider Man in the latest issue he as pretty much officialy joined the ranks of Doom and Magneto with his "My way will be the only way" attitude.

I just really think with how bad the character has been slagged by Civil War that they almost have to have a new man in the suit once it is over. I don't see a book staring Iron Bastard being a hit with most people.

[John Doe Jnr]

Bendis himself has hinted that maybe that isn't Tony Stark after civil war. Could be Cap or Speedball.

[Kid Monster]

Idle Post-Civil War Theory #1

There was something... odd... about Iron Man's dialogue in the (very brief) preview of MIGHTY AVENGERS #1 in the new Wizard. He seemed unsure of the abilities of his own armor, and his word choices seemed more appropiate for a far younger person than Tony Stark. The Bendis-bashers will say "That's another example of BMB's bad dialogue", but I think that Bendis, regardless of what you think of his writing, is a lot smarter than that.

Idle Post-Civil War Theory #2

Notice that Marvel is finally putting out a TPB of that old Watergate-era CAPTAIN AMERICA storyline where Cap gets disillusioned with the U.S. government, throws out his costume & shield, and starts calling himself "Nomad, Man Without a Country"? Conicidence? Here's some wild goofball speculation: Marvel has sworn up and down that "Captain America" will not join Alpha Flight... but what about Nomad joining Omega Flight?

[JeffreyWKramer]

...but what about Nomad joining Omega Flight?
Last we saw Nomad (recently in CAPTAIN AMERICA), he was rather dead.

[Kid Monster]

Last we saw Nomad (recently in CAPTAIN AMERICA), he was rather dead.

Different character. The original Nomad was Steve Rodgers, who took on the name and costume during a period of angst about his role in crazy, mixed-up, 1970's America. Later, Jack Monroe, the unfrozen 50's Bucky, took up the mantle. He was the Nomad who was recently killed by Winter Soldier... because the MU is only big enough for one unfrozen Bucky.

Both incarnations pretty much looked identical, so any confusion is understandable. My weird longshot theory was that Steve Rodgers would go back to being Nomad due to the events of CIVIL WAR.

[Jerry Kraut]

Last we saw Nomad (recently in CAPTAIN AMERICA), he was rather dead.


I think he means that Steve Rogers might return to the Nomad id.
Which i doubt, been done, wasn't popular and, well they do finally have a successful Captain America book and would probably avoid messing with it.

I'm pretty sure it's a different Iron Man, but who i don't have a clue.

Edit: Damn it i'm slow.

[Vaal]

I'd like to see Tony keep the Iron Man mantle and go totally Magneto with thie who 'vision of the future' thing.

Remember Asteroid M? Tony's got the cash and the tech to build another one. He could take his clones and some of the more... utterly insane-when-it-comes-to superhumans members of the MU public and live in his own little 50-SI bubble, periodically emerging to meddle in politics and probably end up at war with the Inhumans.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Different character. The original Nomad was Steve Rodgers, who took on the name and costume during a period of angst about his role in crazy, mixed-up, 1970's America. Later, Jack Monroe, the unfrozen 50's Bucky, took up the mantle. He was the Nomad who was recently killed by Winter Soldier... because the MU is only big enough for one unfrozen Bucky.

Both incarnations pretty much looked identical, so any confusion is understandable. My weird longshot theory was that Steve Rodgers would go back to being Nomad due to the events of CIVIL WAR.

Ah, I missed you were talking about that Nomad.

Been done, really. I prefer the idea of Cap keeping his name, as a statement. But I really would prefer CIVIL WAR to be a good story rather than an illogical suckfest.

[rerun]

I know a different Iron Man has been teased in a few places. Someone mentioned Cap and IM switching places. Tony is going over to the dark side of the force. If he does go all the way, that would indeed be a "huge" change that is promised in so many Event comics. That is a decision I would respect from the creators.

[protege]

Maybe it'll be one of Stark's clones...

[nuclearman]

Bendis himself has hinted that maybe that isn't Tony Stark after civil war. Could be Cap or Speedball.

Captain Iron America?? Makes his shield pretty redundant.

[Kid Monster]

Long, long ago, I read an interview with a (pre-grumpy-old-bigot) John Byrne, regarding the Dark Phoniex Saga (then the Death of Phoneix Saga). Bryne said that the original idea behind the saga was a simple, but very subversive, one: An established, longtime, beloved Marvel hero becomes a villain... and stays that that way. Forevermore. A permanant change in the status quo. I think it's a little sad that 30 years later, nobody has really gone full-tilt boogie ahead and actually done this.

I was never a fan of Iron Man (nothing personal, Tony), but I love Iron Bastard. He's a great "villain", in a very modern, political sense that goes beyond simple good and evil. He is something that is both inspiring and utterly horrifying: An utterly ruthless utopian idealist... the same kind of personality that ended slavery... and that gave us the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I know this is an opinion that drives some fans foaming nut, but I don't in any way see the fact that some writers are "unfair" to him and the pro-reg side as a flaw. He is the heavy of the story, the bad guy, but like Magneto he is a bad guy that sometimes has a point.

[TotalWorldDomination]

As I see it, Tony has been refered to a number of times as the Lincoln of this Civil War. I think that the ASM lead-in books have indicated that Tony Stark will not live to see the end of The series. He'll win the War, and then he will be assasinated, totaly eliminating any public support Cap had left, just like Lincoln.

Tony will be the maryter that brings the Pro-Reg side back from Villiany.

[bulbasteve]

As I see it, Tony has been refered to a number of times as the Lincoln of this Civil War. I think that the ASM lead-in books have indicated that Tony Stark will not live to see the end of The series. He'll win the War, and then he will be assasinated, totaly eliminating any public support Cap had left, just like Lincoln.

Tony will be the maryter that brings the Pro-Reg side back from Villiany.

At first I might be half and half on that, on the one hand Millar says he hates killing A-list people, on the other everyone in comics lies :p

But In Frontline Speedball was just shot at (granted in an Oswald way), but two assasination attempts would be kinda dumb and I don't think even the glaring oversites by editorial on Frontline would allow them to use that sort of story before the main book and make it totally redundant.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I've decided to discount everything in frontline since it's apparently the Las Vegas of marvel editors, what happens there stays there.

I think tony being taken out by a John Wilks Booth type would match with the overall theme. I don't know if it will actualy happen, but it would probably be the most cathartic victory possible for the Pro-side. They win the war, people find out about the Ethical nightmares the Pro-side had to indulge in in order to win. Tony's out for a night on the town, and gets shot, assuring that the public will support the SHRA for generations (and letting him go down as a hero).

[bulbasteve]

I'm afraid you are on to something after looking back at the quote that's been bouncing about from Millar's forum: "I can only write the main book, but the spin-offs probably reflect the personal feelings of the individual writers. It actually works OK with what I have planned in upcoming issues (for reasons you'll see). But issues 1-7 of this series are very, very balanced. Again, you'll see what I mean later."

Could that be why the bad stuff from the anti-reg writers work? Because Stark won't be around anymore? But even then it seems that to a lot of fans the character is already assasinated so I have to wonder...

[Vaal]

I really can't see any way Tony could be martyred that could 'cement' the SHRA in its current form once the details of it and the 50-SI get revealed.

Its one thing to want to hold heros responsible for collateral damage incurred in saving the city/nation/world. Its another to support drafting superhumans into SHIELD and SHIELD using them to do all sort of covert ops.

[BigBoss]

Am I the only one that think that Iron Man after CW will be someone besides Tony Stark? Lets face it Tony has become such a borderline villian that I just can't see them leaving him in the suit. I really think He is losing it when it comes to this issue. He creates clones of one of his oldest freinds to help bolster his army. You know what the MAJOR flaw of that whole thing is? HE HAS A FRICKEN ARMY WORTH OF OLD IRON MAN SUITS IN STORAGE!!! Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sence for him to outfit a group out of them instead of playing mad scientist and perverting the legacy of one of his oldest friends? Did Millar just forget the Stark has at least 20 or 30 old suits just lying around? And after the what goes on between him and Spider Man in the latest issue he as pretty much officialy joined the ranks of Doom and Magneto with his "My way will be the only way" attitude.

I just really think with how bad the character has been slagged by Civil War that they almost have to have a new man in the suit once it is over. I don't see a book staring Iron Bastard being a hit with most people.
yes I do not like the way they made tony eithier snaps at everybody who doesent like his opinoin. I was amped up for mighty avengers but now I aint since tony is the leader of them.

[Majinlex]

With a movie coming out next year I doubt Marvel would kill Iron man.
Good theory though.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I really can't see any way Tony could be martyred that could 'cement' the SHRA in its current form once the details of it and the 50-SI get revealed.

Its one thing to want to hold heros responsible for collateral damage incurred in saving the city/nation/world. Its another to support drafting superhumans into SHIELD and SHIELD using them to do all sort of covert ops.

Look at Lincoln- He suspeneded the right of Habeus Corpus, Threw newspaper editors who did'nt agree with him into jail, and used union troops to quell rioting. Not to mention Sherman burning and looting most of the south. These things would have been serious ethical questions for Ol' abe now that the war was over. He was a very devisive president, and would have gone down in history as such. HOWEVER since he was shot, he's now beloved. It happens with every shot president. No one bothers the kennedy's over the bay of pigs now a days do they?

[Jack]

Lincoln's idea of a solution to slavery was repatriation, too. He wanted to pack up all the black people and send them to Africa. That's kinda like packing up all the unregistered people and sending them to the Negative Zone.

Anyway, I think it would be an excellent idea to have someone else in the armour after Civil War. Though Tony should still be involved at some level in the book.

[Jmacq1]

Look at Lincoln- He suspeneded the right of Habeus Corpus, Threw newspaper editors who did'nt agree with him into jail, and used union troops to quell rioting. Not to mention Sherman burning and looting most of the south. These things would have been serious ethical questions for Ol' abe now that the war was over. He was a very devisive president, and would have gone down in history as such. HOWEVER since he was shot, he's now beloved. It happens with every shot president. No one bothers the kennedy's over the bay of pigs now a days do they?

Lincoln wasn't a superhero.

And Iron Man isn't the President.

And we don't know that Lincoln would have gone down as a "very divisive President" and we never will. By most accounts, he might have gone down as an even greater president if his vision of reconstruction and reconciliation had been allowed to come to pass, rather than the radicals being able to seize power in the vacuum left by his death. The former-Confederacy might have avoided a lot of the problems that plagued it for decades after the Civil War.

But again...we'll never know.

[jaxcs]

Lincoln's idea of a solution to slavery was repatriation, too. He wanted to pack up all the black people and send them to Africa. That's kinda like packing up all the unregistered people and sending them to the Negative Zone.

Anyway, I think it would be an excellent idea to have someone else in the armour after Civil War. Though Tony should still be involved at some level in the book.

You can't repatirate people from places they never came from. Speedball isn't Ahniilus.

[Jack]

You can't repatirate people from places they never came from. Speedball isn't Ahniilus.
I said it was kind of like it, not that it was exactly the same. His solution for the problem was to send it away, which is what Tony is doing.

And how many slaves were born in the US? That didn't change the fact that Lincoln wanted to send them to Africa.

[Vaal]

Comparing IM to Lincoln is a hell of a stretch. Reed couldn't even stretch like that.

[jackolover]

I was never a fan of Iron Man (nothing personal, Tony), but I love Iron Bastard. He's a great "villain", in a very modern, political sense that goes beyond simple good and evil. He is something that is both inspiring and utterly horrifying: An utterly ruthless utopian idealist... the same kind of personality that ended slavery... and that gave us the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

I know this is an opinion that drives some fans foaming nut, but I don't in any way see the fact that some writers are "unfair" to him and the pro-reg side as a flaw. He is the heavy of the story, the bad guy, but like Magneto he is a bad guy that sometimes has a point.

Funny you should mention Iron Bastard, because in the Grant Morrison 'Marvel Boy', there was a character like that, who ran the story. And Marvel Boy has just reappeared in YA +Runaways, also a CW tie-in.

[jaxcs]

I said it was kind of like it, not that it was exactly the same. His solution for the problem was to send it away, which is what Tony is doing.

And how many slaves were born in the US? That didn't change the fact that Lincoln wanted to send them to Africa.

Well, I think you should call it for what it is. You don't solve society's problem with murderers by repatriate them to prison, you imprison them. Black slaves born in America may not actually be African by culture or birth, but at least you can say they their ancestors came from that part of the world. No American citizen can said to be from the NZ.

[Kevinroc]

The live-action movie is about Tony Stark. And the direct to dvd animated film also focuses on Stark.

I believe he's gonna survive this story. He might be forced to "retire" temporarly but he'll come back from this.

[o1pickleboy]

As I see it, Tony has been refered to a number of times as the Lincoln of this Civil War. I think that the ASM lead-in books have indicated that Tony Stark will not live to see the end of The series. He'll win the War, and then he will be assasinated, totaly eliminating any public support Cap had left, just like Lincoln.

Tony will be the maryter that brings the Pro-Reg side back from Villiany.

My opinion IM will fake the assassination attempt and his death from it. Then retire to the backdrop. Drinking wine to his heroism.

[Calybos]

I think it would be interesting to see Tony finish the transition to becoming a full-on supervillain (a misguided fanatic with dreams of a Better World, etc.), and see the heroes of the Marvel Universe have to deal with battling a former friend.

[Markavian]

After Civil War is mostly over..If Tony Reed and Hank Pym arent killed I see them working as bureaucrats or Political types or R&D Types helping to make the SHRA (in whatever form it ends up as) Work.

[phantom1592]

I think it would be interesting to see Tony finish the transition to becoming a full-on supervillain (a misguided fanatic with dreams of a Better World, etc.), and see the heroes of the Marvel Universe have to deal with battling a former friend.



Sounds just like Parallax. THat story wasn't well recieved.

[Zero Hunter]

I posted in another thread my new therory that Stark will end up really hurt at the end of Civil War and he will pick a new guy to wear the suit while he heals. I can see them having it be like the Batman Beyond cartoon with Stark serving in the background helping the rookie out and being sort of the brains behind the brawn so to speak.

[Moses]

Ok, I'm personally off the opinion that the whole 'Tony might die' thing is just a red herring. One thing to remember is that thanks to Extremis, Tony is now the only person on Earth who can wear the armour (and I'm certain that's the same armour in MA1). Getting a temporary replacement in (because Stark WILL be in the armour come May 2008), isn't just simply picking a guy, he'd have to have extremis injected into him too.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Am I the only one that think that Iron Man after CW will be someone besides Tony Stark? Lets face it Tony has become such a borderline villian that I just can't see them leaving him in the suit. I really think He is losing it when it comes to this issue. He creates clones of one of his oldest freinds to help bolster his army. You know what the MAJOR flaw of that whole thing is? HE HAS A FRICKEN ARMY WORTH OF OLD IRON MAN SUITS IN STORAGE!!! Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot more sence for him to outfit a group out of them instead of playing mad scientist and perverting the legacy of one of his oldest friends? Did Millar just forget the Stark has at least 20 or 30 old suits just lying around? And after the what goes on between him and Spider Man in the latest issue he as pretty much officialy joined the ranks of Doom and Magneto with his "My way will be the only way" attitude.

I just really think with how bad the character has been slagged by Civil War that they almost have to have a new man in the suit once it is over. I don't see a book staring Iron Bastard being a hit with most people.

He's been acting like a undercover Dr. Doom for awhile now. Hopefully it's mind control because this spin on Tony is REALLY making him look worse than anything I've ever seen from the guy.