Ultimate Spider-Man #100! *SPOILERS*

[Shade 20x6]

Well, it's finally here! I'm shocked there's no thread on it so far, so I may as well get the ball rolling. ;)

SPOILERS AHOI!











So, we now know that Aunt May and Richard Parker are the real deal. Gwen is Carnage. Mary Parker and Eddie Brock Sr. are both dead. MJ has been transformed into...well, we don't know yet (I still think it's a Goblin-type creature). And there's apparently another, six-armed Spider-Clone running around in a nifty looking black costume. Not to mention that Nick Fury is now going up against Spidey and Carnage with a large number of Spider-Slayers, and Aunt May is having a heart attack.

Whew! That's a lot for one issue!

Now, for some speculation.

What did the new Spider-Clone mean when he said "this isn't what we were created for" when attacking "Kaine?" Based on what I've seen and read, and I think I actually posted this before a few weeks ago, it seems obvious now that Fury is behind the mass production of Spider-Clones. He confiscated Curt Conners' lab experiments, which means he had access to Pete's blood and DNA. And, as I know I stated before, it seemed very odd to me that Fury referred to his machines as "Spider-Slayers." He had them made as an insurance policy to keep the clones under control. It looks like Fury couldn't quite get an army of Captain Americas, so he decided to settle for an army of Spider-Men instead.

Man, there's still so much left unanswered. I'll be glad when this whole thing is finally over and we can observe the aftermath. It's looks like the status quo is going to be just as messed up as 616's Spidey when this is all said and done.

[Shadow ES]

But we know Fury wasn't behind the clones from when Reed talked to him in 98...

I think part/most of what Richard said about where he's been was innaccurate. It paints him in too good of a light. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who wanted to make the suit a weapon, which is why he joined up with the CIA.

[Jake V]

Can't believe that its 100 issues already. Seems like just yesterday I discovered this new take on Spider-Man and really liked it.

So Richard Parker (it's really him!) explains to Peter, Gwen, and Aunt May where he's been for the past 15 years. Turns out he never got on the plane Mary Parker and the Brock's died on (which was rigged to explode by Bolivar Trask), but he was on the manifest, so he was legally dead to the world. He continues to explain what he's been up to, and part of it was that he was working with the CIA in opposition to a young Nick Fury and also working on his original cure for cancer. Throughout the book, the "Kaine" clone who's holding MJ hostage fights a six-armed clone in a black costume who's trying to free MJ. Kaine beats him up while Richard's story starts to get really good.

Then Nick Fury with hundreds of SHIELD agents shows up

Then Gwen turns out to really be Carnage.

Then Aunt May has a heart attack.

Then Kaine appears to have given MJ powers.


I really liked the issue, but I'd honestly expect something more out of a 100th issue milestone. As part 4 of the "Clone Saga", it's a great issue, but in #100, I would have liked to see Peter as Spider-Man in action.

But oh well. I really love this story so far, I'm totally on board with whatever status quo changes this story brings about.

EDIT: Whoops, looks like someone beat me to the thread as I was typing. Feel free to merge, mods.

[Arilou]

Weren't we supposed to see Kitty meet MJ in this ish? And did that happen or not?

[ultimatespyder20]

Damnit! This didn't come in the mail today. *Prepares to strangle someone*

Alec

[Simpsonsboy182]

grrr i cant get the issue yet....im so tempted to read the spoilers...

[The Foreigner]

So, we now know that Aunt May and Richard Parker are the real deal. Gwen is Carnage. Mary Parker and Eddie Brock Sr. are both dead. MJ has been transformed into...well, we don't know yet (I still think it's a Goblin-type creature). And there's apparently another, six-armed Spider-Clone running around in a nifty looking black costume. Not to mention that Nick Fury is now going up against Spidey and Carnage with a large number of Spider-Slayers, and Aunt May is having a heart attack.


Little disapointing for a 100th issue. It was still a nice issue, but there just wasn't really anything new revealed this issue considering how much they had hyped up all of the twists this issue would have. The revelation that Carnage is Gwen was big and new, but most people called that one when her return was announced. There wasn't really anything here that made me say "No way!" like what happened in 99.

Not to mention, it's a bit of a letdown for the hundredth issue of Ultimate Spider-Man to not have Peter in action. And the issue being called "double-sized" is a tad mis-leading.

[Devil May Care]

And the issue being called "double-sized" is a tad mis-leading.


The Foreign one speaks true. Half the book, literally, is... "Previously, on Ultimate Spider-Man..."

Still, liked it. Bravo for shaking up the status quo and, if these changes in Peter's life stick, the quo is shaken up indeed.

Between this and 616 Spidey, is any other Marvel character as changed in the last few years?

[Armless Penguin]

It was pretty cool. Like the fact that Peter's dad isn't a clone, but I'm a little disappointed that Bendis took the obvious route and made Gwen Carnage. But oh well.

[DrewTheXenocide]

I stopped picking up Ultimate Spidey right before the Deadpool stuff, because it just wasn't memorable as it was before. But I picked this one up out of curiosity, and I think it's going back on my pull list.

I mean, Holy Buh-jeezus! What've I been missing? Pete's dad alive! Gwen Alive! Gwen's Carnage! Crazy clones fight over MJ! Nick wasn't always bald! What'll happen next!!?!?!?!

[Indefatigable]

Nick wasn't always bald!BIGGEST REVELATION OF THE ISSUE

[Chachi]

Another great issue! But calling it "double sized was a reach. I truly do hope Richard is back, it would definatley change the Status Quo. I do have a feeling he will sacrifice himself to save Peter though.

[Messiah Complex]

Great issue besides the sleight of hand that had me thinking I was reading a double sized ish. Seriously, it was like three card monte. Anyway, Gwen being Carnage did surprise me and I hope it sticks (which I believe it will.) I'm shocked that Pete's dad is obviously not a clone, unless Aunt May is one, too. I also hadn't connected the effed up Peter with Kaine until someone here called him that. I'm really worried about MJ. While it will be exciting and great for the story possibilities if she gets turned into a monster or spidergirl or whatever, I just would like to see this book keep at least one foot in the real world, and at present EVERY character has some kind of powers. Still it works with the themes that Bendis and Bagley have been building on the whole series. Man, I thought Peter had it rough in the 616. Considering what's up with Gwen now, 616 Gwen got off light. I do have a slight gripe. Don't the women in this series all seem kind of...bitchy? Aunt May, Pete's mom, MJ, Kitty...they all spend an awful lot of time yelling at Peter. And then we get to hear (read) only Peter's side of it in caption. Both he and his Dad are portrayed entirely sympathetically, while May just flips her s**t. It's not always the case, but just lately I've kind've been noticing it. Anyway, I have every issue of this book and have no intention of bailling now (I was considering it when Deadpool ended up so lackluster.) But this story is really revitalizing this book. Long haul, folks. Oh, and the 6 armed Spidey is totally Eddie, after being absorbed by the suit ala Gwen.

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SATAN SAYS: Long, isn't it?

[Shadow ES]

Weren't we supposed to see Kitty meet MJ in this ish? And did that happen or not?
no, that hasn't happened yet.

and the six armed clone isn't Eddie. If it were, he wouldn't have told Kaine that they had been created. And I'm not 100% that Richard is the real deal. His explanation seemed way too self serving. And don't forget, Carnage had some of his DNA as well.

[Effect]

I thought we were suppose to have a Kitty and MJ meeting this issue. What happen to that?

[ultramandingo]

just when this book was finally getting good again - 20 pages of filler and carnage........pee u!

[Ult. Fireboy]

I liked the issue. It brought a lot more questions thatn answers though. We saw Gwen being Carnage coming, but it was a good twist with Peter's dad. I am taking that Aunt May is having a heart attack or something?:confused: That is alll Peter needs, May dying, Gwen becoming Carnage, and his father being alive.:eek: :eek:

[Erik B]

I so called the whole Gwen Stacy will be carnage thing. Honestly though thats a sucky revelation.

[stillanerd]

I so called the whole Gwen Stacy will be carnage thing. Honestly though thats a sucky revelation.

Well, it was a little expected that Gwen was Carnage. My question is though is that, since it looks like Richard Parker is the real deal, doesn't this hurt Peter as a character somewhat? I mean, Peter is supposed to be an orphan whose, while not biological, geniune father in a lot of ways (Uncle Ben) was murdered, and that part of the tragedy of Spidey's life was that, because of his irresponsibility, he essentially no longer has a father he can look up to. Well, now the Ultimate version of Peter does in his thought-to-be-dead biological father. Unless of course, as I'm sure as it's going to turn out, Richard Parker is the architect behind the clone saga, not to mention funding Norman Osborn, which essentially makes him the equivalent of Darth Vader. And doesn't this hurt Aunt May as a character too, in that knowing that Richard was alive not only makes her hypocritical when she called Peter a liar, but a little bit like the "wicked stepmother." (Maybe that's why she had a heart attack so Bendis can have her regain some sympathy :p ). Somehow, I get the feeling Peter might move into MJ house (sort of like how Gwen moved into his) while May recuperates in the hospital so the triangle between Peter/MJ/and Kitty can intensify. That is, if MJ hasn't become and stays as hideous freak (perhaps she'll look like the "Man-Spider" and Peter will have to cure her).

Even so, at least THIS Clone Sage seems to have a sense of direction.

[Devil May Care]

Well, it was a little expected that Gwen was Carnage. My question is though is that, since it looks like Richard Parker is the real deal, doesn't this hurt Peter as a character somewhat? I mean, Peter is supposed to be an orphan whose, while not biological, geniune father in a lot of ways (Uncle Ben) was murdered, and that part of the tragedy of Spidey's life was that, because of his irresponsibility, he essentially no longer has a father he can look up to.

Ten bucks says Daddy-O kicks it by the end of the arc.

[stillanerd]

Ten bucks says Daddy-O kicks it by the end of the arc.

Well, there's that, or he could be the Ultimate Chameleon. Either way, I think it's pretty apparent that Richard Parker, being a geneticist, is the guy responsible for the creation of the Scorpion, Spider-Woman, Six-Armed Spidey, and Kaine Spider-Man clones.

[Erik B]

Well, there's that, or he could be the Ultimate Chameleon. Either way, I think it's pretty apparent that Richard Parker, being a geneticist, is the guy responsible for the creation of the Scorpion, Spider-Woman, Six-Armed Spidey, and Kaine Spider-Man clones.


I dont think its the Chameleon. If they introduce the Chameleon im sure he would have a better story thenjust appearing and cloning Gwen Stacy/Carnage. I am sure that Richard dies in the end and although he is a jerk, Nick Fury will help Peter "fix" his identity crisis with Aunt May so she doesnt remember who he is.
Also if anyone noticed Mary Jane was strapped into the chair used to pump Oz into Norman osborn (maybe not the same chair since that one was blown to hell, but a similar one) i have a feeling that Spaghetti-Faced Peter pumped her with Oz. Moreover i think the whole think with Marj Jane isnt going to end in this arc, i think she may become a goblin and die in the next arc so Joe Q could say HAHAHAHA. thats just my opinion, i could be wrong.

Also as far as it being Richard who created the clones, yeah that seems plausible at this point. Fury seemed shocked and also upset when he heard it was a parker clone, almost like he knew it was going to happen. I am sure that Fury knew Richard was alive, but again didnt tell Peter because Richard is the bad guy in this arc. And Mary seemed pretty pissed at him just before the flight so i am assumiong that he isnt a really great guy after all. The CIA is going to get their asses whipped by Fury when this is over

[BigBoss]

I thought we were suppose to have a Kitty and MJ meeting this issue. What happen to that?
how do you know kaine isint kitty muahahahahh bendis is a crafty one I tell ya.

[sephirothskiller]

This issue blew imho.

Bendis is the king of coming up with good ideas which have potential to shake up the norm in a big way, (Kitty/spidergirl, Gwen's revival) and then doing nothing with them ("Now we can't be seen together and our relationship is on the rocks!!"/"I'm really carnage!! Hurrah for the status quo!!")

If MJ gets powers its just so that Peter will be able to date her again.

Oh, and double sized? WTF!! False advertising FTL!

[Effect]

Something that came to me about this issue and how it relates to MJ and Peter. Could this lead to her not wanting to be around Peter after all of this is done?

If I recall in the 616 after MJ was attacked and tortured by Venom (was it just mentally), she hated the black suit. This could be a similar thing but instead of it being a suit she is seeing Peter's face, Spider-man colors and similar costume. Shouldn't this lead to her not wanting to be around both Peter and Spider-man now? Throwing out the idea that Peter might end up living with MJ and her mom as well?

I don't see her getting powers as a way of her and Peter dating. I think that will be the last thing she'll want to do after this, especailly with Peter.

[Jake V]

This issue blew imho.

Bendis is the king of coming up with good ideas which have potential to shake up the norm in a big way, (Kitty/spidergirl, Gwen's revival) and then doing nothing with them ("Now we can't be seen together and our relationship is on the rocks!!"/"I'm really carnage!! Hurrah for the status quo!!")

If MJ gets powers its just so that Peter will be able to date her again.

Oh, and double sized? WTF!! False advertising FTL!
Peter's father being alive doesn't shake up the status quo?

[ultimatespyder20]

This didn't get here today either. AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alec

[Joe Zool]

Wow, that was a let-down.

I dunno, we got some nifty revealations, but for a 100-issue, I expected something more...grand, not some sketches for the last half of the book.

Luckily, Ultimates #12 washed that disappointment away. :D

[Nick MB]

I loved what we go, but more would've been nice. If we'd actually seen the fight between an in-costume Spidey, Carnage and the Spider-Slayers, spread over ten or twelve more pages, that'd have finished the issue off for me.

But I can't really say that "i loved this issue and wanted more" is a flaw.

[shadow of a madman]

The thing that REALLY ticked me off is the length.This was NOT a double sized issue.N.O.T.
It was maybye,MAYBYE a third longer,and the rest was just stupid extras.
JYP!

[saintsaucey]

Im joining the let down crowd. this issue was left a lot to be desired but it was still good.

Aunt May having a heart attack well that just adds to my theory that Bendis gave us the end of the clone saga in his Stange Arc 30 issues back. Someone either Jamison, Robertson Or Eurich suggested that May would have a heart attack as soon as she found out peter was spider-man. next up peter would be killed by a giant robot and trossed in the river before she dies. his face will end up on milk cartons and soon the world will forgewt spider-man ever exhisted.

I don't think Peter's dad is working for the CIA, but I also don't think that Peter's dad knows he's not working for the CIA. I think he thinks that and it is really someone using richard to build an army to attack Nick Fury. I just dopn't see them making Nick into that much of a Bad guy. I think Richard is going to stick around after the arc.

Gwen as carnage. meh. Mj with powers I like. How long till the next issue? damnit

[filthysize]

Well, I liked it.

[Jack]

Hmmm... Which classic villains/animal archetypes have we not seen in USM?

Chameleon comes to mind, but there must be more.

I ask this because that would be the most logical way of working out what sort of powers MJ will have. If Kaine is using OZ to give her powers (which would be the smart thing), then it's likely that he's using some animal DNA to filter it, since that was what produced Peter's powers, rather than the Goblins.

Chameleon is a possibility, since he wants to make her capable of protecting herself.

You know... considering the facts that: MJ and Gwen both have powers now; Aunt May has thrown Peter out; Nick Fury wants to depower Peter; and Richard is alive, does anyone else think that the status quo is REALLY going to change after this arc, and they'll all go underground with Richard?

[Kefky]

The issue being shorter was a bit annoying, yes, but double-sized issues are usually 38 pages long, and this was 32. 6 pages less isn't that bad, and we all go that stuff afterwards.

The fact that everything that happened in the last issue was confirmed to be true makes the issue a big deal to me, IMO.

And c'mon... Nick Fury with an army of spider-slayers, May having a heart attack, Gwen turning into Carnage, MJ getting powers? You gotta admit that's some cliffhanger. ;)

I'll admit that the issue suffered from not being a "whole story", but if all of this becomes canon, it's a landmark issue no matter how you look at it.

[MrPunch0]

The thing that REALLY ticked me off is the length.This was NOT a double sized issue.N.O.T.
It was maybye,MAYBYE a third longer,and the rest was just stupid extras.
JYP!

100% with you on this. I guess I just expected this issue to have more kick to it. Guess we'll see what happens in #101,.

I've been losing interest in this title. The clone saga has got me interested again, but I don't know if it will keep me.

[Red Lotus]

I'm kind in the middle with this. I thought the book was good, But my only problem is it has a wait and see the pay off feel to it.

If nothing happens with Gwen/Carnage and she dies then that makes this a big miss. Then the thing with Richard could be the biggest change from the 616 world to the Ultitmate world ever, but thats only if he is A: not a clone and 2: doesn't end up dead by the end of this arc.

I doubt they would do this but I would love for Aunt May to die and that to be the real Richard Parker and for him to be in the books for now on instead of May. If they wanted to really shake things up this would be a great way to do it.

I Also don't think that Richard is working for the CIA. And I think Fury knows who is behind this and the real story about Richard and he has been hiding it from Peter.

[The Foreigner]

And c'mon... Nick Fury with an army of spider-slayers, May having a heart attack, Gwen turning into Carnage, MJ getting powers? You gotta admit that's some cliffhanger. ;)


Unfortunately, we already knew Nick Fury had spider-slayers, the Gwen/Carnage thing had been called by most people months ago, and we have already been wondering what would happen to MJ for the past frew months.

Issue 100 just extended the cliffhangers and questions that have been introduced in the past.

It reminds me of the first season finale of Lost, where all season long we have been wondering what is in the hatch, and the big cliffhanger of the season is... waiting to find out what is in the hatch. Some more.

The buildup for issue 100 was tremendous, but I think all of the biggest surprises were in issues 98 and 99. It was still a nice addition to the Clone Saga, but for a 100th issue, it was disapointing.

[Jerry Kraut]

The issue was good, just not as good (and long) as i hoped it would be.
Random thoughts:
I hope Gwenage stays as a support character, at least for a while, that would be awesome and ironic.

I hope MJ becomes "Ultimate Firestar"(is there an ultimate version of firestar?) and Kitty stays because the "Ultimate Spider-man and his amazing catfighting girlfriends" dynamic would be pretty funny. And the coolest mini-series title, ever.

I wonder if the May we saw in those last two issue's isn't a clone, that's the most realistic cop-out possible at this point.

So, am i the only one who thinks Richard Parker created those four or so clones and thus is "ultimate jackel"? Or he's a clone himself. In the name of everything that's holy the big bad guy better not be Norman Osborn. But it would be interesting if Peter's Dad would be a permanent addition to the cast.

[kudlaty_true]

AAAARRRGHHH!!!
At the half of comic I was like, W. T. F. ?!?!?!
This - THIS - was supposed to be double sized? I've waited a month longer FOR SOME BS BACKSTORY?!? If I wanted to read a friggin backstory, I would read comic books again! BULLS####.
This little misleading thing turned down the whole comic for me. Whole issue. And now, instead of saying WOW, the story is great, the art is great, what will happen next, I'm like: Crap! Liars!

Emotions took the best of me.

HALF of this comic was good. But I've lost trust in creative team. And my message exactly to whoever is responcible for the commercial campaign "double sized" is: Do NOT promise goods when you can't provide it!

[ultimatespyder20]

This still hasn't come. WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alec

[UltSpiderSlayer]

So I'm a new member, but a long time reader of this forum and the Ultimate series. In reading everyone's predictions of the Clone saga I just had to get a membership and post my own thoughts.

Look at the Legacy arc specifically right before Peter meets Norman who reveals that he knows Peter is spider-man. There's a man who's occasionally in the backround with short blonde hair and glasses. He looks an awful lot like the "C.I.A" agent who confronted Richard Parker. Perhaps Richard is working unknowingly with Osborn?

That would explain a few things...
1. Why the "C.I.A" wants to destroy Nick Fury.
2. How they knew about Richard's research, Trask and Osborn were competitors, and I assume they would be keeping tabs on one another's successes, especially with a bio weapon such as the Venom suit.
3. Why all the clones are in the OsCorp lab.

Also it's becoming more clear why the Ultimates will fight Venom in the upcoming Ultimates 3.

We'll see what develops.

[SensorBoy]

OK, in #98, when Peter confronted the "SpiderGirl", she said "You don't get to touch me".

Odd choice of words. He tried to grab her. A more common response would be "hands off", etc. May be an example of stilted dialogue.......or not.

[Shadow ES]

I went back and read the Venom arc. When Peter confronts Fury at the end, he asks how his parents died. When he's told how long ago it was, Fury said he was in school in india at that time. But Richard said that right after his "death", the CIA wanted him to help take Fury down. So did Fury lie before, did Richard lie now, or did Bendis mess up?

[Kefky]

I went back and read the Venom arc. When Peter confronts Fury at the end, he asks how his parents died. When he's told how long ago it was, Fury said he was in school in india at that time. But Richard said that right after his "death", the CIA wanted him to help take Fury down. So did Fury lie before, did Richard lie now, or did Bendis mess up?

That's the big mistery, ain't it?

[Chou Blaster]

Hoenstly I wouldn't trust Fury a sfar as I can throw him, or RIchard for tha tmatter.

And I think MJ either:

1: Beocmes Ultiamtes Fire Star.

2; Becomes ltimates Chamelon.

or.

3; A random thing then cured, happening.

(Or maybe Bendis wil rip off the crpapy 90s SPdie rMan an dmJ get shydor man pwoers, but the n it ain't her!?)

[filthysize]

I went back and read the Venom arc. When Peter confronts Fury at the end, he asks how his parents died. When he's told how long ago it was, Fury said he was in school in india at that time. But Richard said that right after his "death", the CIA wanted him to help take Fury down. So did Fury lie before, did Richard lie now, or did Bendis mess up?

Fury lied. I remember reading that bit in the Venom arc way back when and thinking that he lied. It's just hard to believe. From being a college student to a GENERAL and head of his own military division in less than 10 years? Possible, maybe, but I don't buy it. What, did he sleep with Condi Rice?

[The Scribe]

http://www.bobscomics.com/CoversSep06/T_ULTI100.jpg


Well, it's finally here. What do you think?

Mark Bagley's final issue.
Do you think the new creative team will do any better?
Any speculation on what they will do or what would you like to see done in this book?

I'd like to see the Ultimate Molten Man, for some reason I like him. :D
Ultimate Cardiac would be nice too.

Also, more Ultimate Spider-Woman.

http://www.universomarvel.com/news/ULTSM098p.jpg

[The Scribe]

So, they moved my post?

You can't post about a Spider-Man book in the Spider-Man community?

:confused:

[The Foreigner]

Well, it's finally here. What do you think?

Mark Bagley's final issue.
Do you think the new creative team will do any better?
Any speculation on what they will do or what would you like to see done in this book?



This isn't Mark Bagley's final issue...

[filthysize]

So, they moved my post?

You can't post about a Spider-Man book in the Spider-Man community?

:confused:

Nah, there's just no need for multiple threads on the same subject.

[1WEBHEAD]

I got the issue yesterday and I have time now to give my two cents.

I'm a little let down.:( 60% of this "double sized issue" was story, 20% of this issue was Bagely's deleted artwork, and the other 20% was a recap of the entire series(which was on the Free Comic Book Day Special).
Dont get me wrong I liked the story portion of this issue, its just that it wasnt enough to hold up to the double sized name.Since this issue is supposed to be the 100th double sized issue,it just leaves the readers feeling underwhelmed and wanting more.Still Bendis keeps on writing an awesome Clone Saga so....

9/10

[Frizey]

I liked this story, not as much as the last 2 parts but it was still GREAT. Those SPIDER SLAYERS look so messed up! I wanna see them in action!!! I was really *(#$&*(# about the story lenght not being bigger. My predictions for the rest of the series are Nick Fury created the clones and Richard Parker is somehow involved because so far 2 of the clones [SpiderWoman and Tarantual] have both appeared to have The Suit. Looking forward to seeing Carnage going on the rampage next issue!

[TheAmazingSpider-Geek]

Here is my theory, feel free to tear it apart.

Pete's dad...is a clone as well. Regardless of what he says, or the fact that he met May prior and she "knew he was alive" doesn't change that he could still be a clone. His whole story reeks to me. It's too meticulous. To full of details. The whole "Fury is after me" thing is a convient ploy to pit Peter against the only person truly capable of stopping Norman Osborne.
Yep I said it...Norman
This whole thing is a set up by Norman (or Harry) Osborn. Either of them are manipulating the entire thing (shades of the original Clone saga anyone?) from the shadows to toy with Peter. What better way to destroy Spider-Man the to destroy Peter Parker?
Norman created the Clones. Pete brought the Scorpion Clone to Reed. Reed contacted Fury. Fury either put it all together after talking to Reed or knew about it sometime previously and after Reeds contact created/ or dispatched the Spider-Slayers in the off chance Norman pulled it off.

[wingsofdamnation]

man the spider slayers were totally lame. couldnt they have been the least bit creative and have something more then big metal guy on a ball? i know the original spider slayer in the comics looked somewhat like that but cmon they looked rediculous

[The Foreigner]

Here is my theory, feel free to tear it apart.

Pete's dad...is a clone as well. Regardless of what he says, or the fact that he met May prior and she "knew he was alive" doesn't change that he could still be a clone. His whole story reeks to me. It's too meticulous. To full of details. The whole "Fury is after me" thing is a convient ploy to pit Peter against the only person truly capable of stopping Norman Osborne.
Yep I said it...Norman
This whole thing is a set up by Norman (or Harry) Osborn. Either of them are manipulating the entire thing (shades of the original Clone saga anyone?) from the shadows to toy with Peter. What better way to destroy Spider-Man the to destroy Peter Parker?
Norman created the Clones. Pete brought the Scorpion Clone to Reed. Reed contacted Fury. Fury either put it all together after talking to Reed or knew about it sometime previously and after Reeds contact created/ or dispatched the Spider-Slayers in the off chance Norman pulled it off.

Unfortunately, Norman is being held in a cryogenic chamber by SHIELD, as is Harry. Plus I doubt Harry has the knowledge to pull something this elaborate off.

And Richard being a clone would be a major cop out.

I would bet anything that Richard's story is false, and he's simply using Peter to fight against Fury and SHIELD.

[ultimatespyder20]

Finally got this today. Great story for the 20 some pages of story there was. I love the splash pages with Carnage, and Black Turantula? And where Aunt May had a heart attack, wow. I think she is probably going to die by the end of this arc. I mean as we saw in issue 99 it looks like she has had enough. My problem with this 100th issue was what everyone didn't like about it. It doesn't deserve to be called a double-sized issue. I do like the original art by Mark Bagley, and I don't mind that in there. It was pretty cool to look at. But the whole recap of USM. Why is this needed? I mean like 80% of the people that read USM are fans that have been around for awhile. But for the 20 some pages we had, awesome stuff. And MJ, what has she chnaged into!? This is the question that is going to bug me until 101. Great issue. Looking forward to the next one(Like always:D).

Alec

[ultimatespyder20]

man the spider slayers were totally lame. couldnt they have been the least bit creative and have something more then big metal guy on a ball? i know the original spider slayer in the comics looked somewhat like that but cmon they looked rediculous

Yeah I know. I thought they would look a lot better. I mean back in issue 90 where we saw the silhouetted one it looked pretty cool. I really think they should have been more creative on it.

Alec

[Nick MB]

Finally got this today. Great story for the 20 some pages of story there was. I love the splash pages with Carnage, and Black Turantula? And where Aunt May had a heart attack, wow. I think she is probably going to die by the end of this arc. I mean as we saw in issue 99 it looks like she has had enough. My problem with this 100th issue was what everyone didn't like about it. It doesn't deserve to be called a double-sized issue. I do like the original art by Mark Bagley, and I don't mind that in there. It was pretty cool to look at. But the whole recap of USM. Why is this needed? I mean like 80% of the people that read USM are fans that have been around for awhile. But for the 20 some pages we had, awesome stuff. And MJ, what has she chnaged into!? This is the question that is going to bug me until 101. Great issue. Looking forward to the next one(Like always:D).

Alec

To be fair, you got 32 pages of story. It wasn't double sized, it was more 1.5 sized

Although, to be fair again, most "double sized" comics are only 38 - 40 pages.

[tracker7]

Hi all, new forum member and new Ultimate Spider-Man reader. So far I've read the first trade, the Carnage trade and the Clone Saga issues. In the Carnage story, it showed Ben Reilly with Peter's blood after Dr. Conners had been arrested. Did anything become of that? I was thinking maybe Ben Reilly was behind the clones but wan't sure if that cliffhanger had been delt with.

[Frizey]

Hi all, new forum member and new Ultimate Spider-Man reader. So far I've read the first trade, the Carnage trade and the Clone Saga issues. In the Carnage story, it showed Ben Reilly with Peter's blood after Dr. Conners had been arrested. Did anything become of that? I was thinking maybe Ben Reilly was behind the clones but wan't sure if that cliffhanger had been delt with.

Welcome!:) According to the Solicitation for #103 Ben Reilly does play some kinda role in this. I think that Spaghetti faced Spiderman guy pumped MJ with OZ.. meaning she will be transformed into a new Goblin! Most likely.
Is Kitty going to come into this arc at any time??

[Locue]

Welcome!:) According to the Solicitation for #103 Ben Reilly does play some kinda role in this. I think that Spaghetti faced Spiderman guy pumped MJ with OZ.. meaning she will be transformed into a new Goblin! Most likely.
Can I have a "What?" with extra cheese? No onions. Demogoblin? Gray Goblin? MJ? Sorry, but no way in hell can I see that one coming. I really hope there's no Norman Osborn/Goblin-connection at all to this mess, other than him also being manipulated by higher powers.

[Shadow ES]

Is Kitty going to come into this arc at any time??
she's supposed to meet MJ sometime in this arc.

[megabyte01]

do you remember the first part of the wariors arc when peter says "how about Peter Parker No More?" I think that desire is going to become a reality. i mean, everything that has happened has pushed Peter way from his life as Peter Parker and toward his life as spider-man. In fact, we haven't seen a solid moment of Peter as Peter Parker since the issue with Johnny Storm.
Everything else up to this point has been Spider-Man, or Peter covering his identity as Spider-Man. number 99 was the first issue he didn't put the costume on at all, though the topic of discussion - gwen's clone - is obviously a by-product of his life as Spider-Man. Now that the tertiary characters like Kong and Flash are all but gone from the book, Gwen has been revealed as the new carnage (Folks, let's just assume that the Carnage Peter fought is dead. This is a new Carnage crated by Richard), Aunt May has had a heart attack, and MJ has undergone a (inevitably horrifying) transformation, there isn't going to be much of a home life for Peter to return home to. so i conclude with the statement "He is Peter Parker No More"

On the other hand, everybody in this arc could be a clone, but that would be a cop out that would make everyone drop the book.

[milly3cat]

Hoenstly I wouldn't trust Fury a sfar as I can throw him, or RIchard for tha tmatter.

And I think MJ either:

1: Beocmes Ultiamtes Fire Star.



Now that would be cool ..... :cool:

[gliderpilotgirl]

Well, I read the issue...was a bit of a let down.
And for the record: Bendis said somewhere, ( I am not sure where, it was a while ago ) that Issue 100 would lead into a 3 part story/ with Kitty and MJ. ( I'd assume he means 101-103 or 102-104 ) But take that with a grain of salt, that was last winter he said that I think.
MJ as Ultimate Firestar?? awesome. I would love Bendis forever if he did that.
In all likelyhood she's probably going to get real screwed up though ( Goblinized or Man-Spider) and eventually fixed. I can't see this going good for her, though Bendis has given every indication in the past that he likes her character, so hopefully he won't let her get too messed up.
About what Megabyte said: you are perfectly right, we haven't seen the supporting cast recently at all. And you know what, it sucks! That's what made 616 go downhill, was the shrinkage from death/ non appearances of the supporting cast. Ever since MJ got dumped, Peter's been in this Spider-man funk, where as he avoided her, he also avoided everyone else. Kitty just made it worse. He can't hang out with her and his cast, or else they put two and two together. Until she is out of the picture, we are going to end up with lots of arcs of No girlfriend seen at all ( like the current one ) or giant team up arcs like Deadpool. Kitty is an innocent bystander in this, but I predict she's going to get her heart busted up shortly, because Peter is more than just Spider-man. He's Peter Parker too. He has a life other than being a superhero.
Anyways..Issue 100 was still cool..was Six-Armed-Spidey the "Tarantula" ? and is he still alive after that punch?

[Sparda]

The issue was so so. I expected a full 64 page good storyline telling spidey story but instead I get around 32 pages of it and the rest are more like extra's which I don't care about.

[milly3cat]

The issue was so so. I expected a full 64 page good storyline telling spidey story but instead I get around 32 pages of it and the rest are more like extra's which I don't care about.

They are wrong to charge more for the double issue if it isn't going to be one.

[Jake V]

They are wrong to charge more for the double issue if it isn't going to be one.
A "double" issue is always considered to be 32 pages. Or at least it has been for the last few years.

[geordiesteve]

Very underwhelmed by this issue, a landmark 100th. I've felt the book's writing has been declining in quality for over 2 years now, New Warriors, Silver sable arc, even one before that was flat, and the Mojo/ Deadpool one was just awful, really didn't enjoy any of it.

Dropped New Avengers, dropped Powers, now USM is on the cusp.

This is a long way from the time when I laughed out loud a lot at the book, and still think some fo the jokes are funny now, like Spiderman reading a list of fat jokes to the Kingpin, or webbing his feet to the floor, and asking if Kingpin is coming onto him when says he is going to show him what kind of a man he really is.

I think Bendis needs a long holiday to clear his head.

[megabyte01]

i agree with you. If Bendis uses the "oh, it's okay, they were all clones" cop out, i will drop the book into the garbage can. Ultimate books are supposed to be above such crap. we'll just have to wait and see.

[Arilou]

In all likelyhood she's probably going to get real screwed up though ( Goblinized or Man-Spider) and eventually fixed. I can't see this going good for her, though Bendis has given every indication in the past that he likes her character, so hopefully he won't let her get too messed up.

The thing is, Bendis also said he likes Wanda, and Hawkeye. He has a somewhat abusive personality towards the characters he feels affection for....

[gliderpilotgirl]

The thing is, Bendis also said he likes Wanda, and Hawkeye. He has a somewhat abusive personality towards the characters he feels affection for....
Does he like USM Gwen? cause boy she got a brutal death...I still can't shake another feeling that MJ might end up losing her life in this..too many hints...I remember right before Gwen bit it, she had a nice scene with Aunt May and Peter where she was all happy and loved...there was a similar scene like that in 97 with MJ's Mom. And that statement in 97 " Everyone thinks we are going to get back together eventually" somehow comes across as Bendis saying to us, that he knows we think that when in reality the opposite will happen. Wow...we really have no idea..and from the solicits I don't think we will find out till 102.

[Smokeyjay]

I hope he really changes Spiderman the character with this clone saga. Not have everything basically return to normal. Having MJ become firestar would be cool. I'm not really liking Gwen as Carnage though.

I like Peter to have some degree of a normal life, so we can see stories of him trying to balance everything out. Now it seems like all his friends are either superheros or supervillains.

The Ultimate Spiderman series has been an up and down story for me.

I never liked Aunt May and kind of hope she dies. Or maybe have Peter move in with his dad or just be kicked out and trying to live on his own or something.

[ultimatespyder20]

I hope he really changes Spiderman the character with this clone saga. Not have everything basically return to normal. Having MJ become firestar would be cool. I'm not really liking Gwen as Carnage though.

I like Peter to have some degree of a normal life, so we can see stories of him trying to balance everything out. Now it seems like all his friends are either superheros or supervillains.

The Ultimate Spiderman series has been an up and down story for me.

I never liked Aunt May and kind of hope she dies. Or maybe have Peter move in with his dad or just be kicked out and trying to live on his own or something.

I also what to see the character of Peter change in big ways. HIs life has been turned upside down and the aftermath has got to really affect him. I would love to see some of the kids of school; Flash, Kong, Liz, etc. Play a bigger role in USM, in would remind me of the early days of USM. I do think Aunt May is going to die by the die at the end of this arc, as we've seen she has had enough for one old woman to take. I would love to see Peter get to know his father more, and move in with him. MJ being and Ultimate Firestar cool idea.

Alec

[Sparda]

Quite personally I hate the 616 aunt may. Always a annoying frail old lady. The ult version is pretty cool. She's more realistic. But still if they kill her off, it'll be interesting to see how pete survives on his own.

[Crimson]

Why is Carnage Gwen Stacy? Why didn't he take on the form of the other 3 or 4 people he killed... that's the question I'm asking after this issue. I guessed it was Carnage a while back but I still don't understand why.

[kel25]

Yeah I thought about that as soon as it was official that Gwen is Carnage. Maybe Bendis plans to do a Separation Anxiety story arc but instead of being centered around Venom it would be centered around all the people that Carnage killed becoming variants of Carnage.

[megabyte01]

Yeah I thought about that as soon as it was official that Gwen is Carnage. Maybe Bendis plans to do a Separation Anxiety story arc but instead of being centered around Venom it would be centered around all the people that Carnage killed becoming variants of Carnage.

There is a possibility of that. I think Bendis said somewhere that Venom would make a reappearance not long after clone saga. I wish I had the source with me.

One thing i think we need to all affirm is that this Gwen is not the same Gwen that perished in issue 62. If you look carefully at Gwen before she was killed, you will see that she has hazel brown eyes. this new Gwen, for some unconfirmed reason, has blue eyes (as a side note, the 616 Gwen had blue eyes as well). Perhaps this is a way to mark the new Gwen as, well, the new Gwen.

Even though i don't think it will be feasible, i hope this new gwen sticks around. She will have to learn to control her temper though!

[ultimatespyder20]

There is a possibility of that. I think Bendis said somewhere that Venom would make a reappearance not long after clone saga. I wish I had the source with me.

One thing i think we need to all affirm is that this Gwen is not the same Gwen that perished in issue 62. If you look carefully at Gwen before she was killed, you will see that she has hazel brown eyes. this new Gwen, for some unconfirmed reason, has blue eyes (as a side note, the 616 Gwen had blue eyes as well). Perhaps this is a way to mark the new Gwen as, well, the new Gwen.

Even though i don't think it will be feasible, i hope this new gwen sticks around. She will have to learn to control her temper though!

I really think instead of Carnage taking the form of Gwen, he should have taken the form of one of the cops he killed. Think about it: One of these cops is named Cletus Kasady, Carnage takes his form, and you pretty much have a brand new character to work with. I really think this would be a cool approach.

Alec

[kudlaty_true]

One thing i think we need to all affirm is that this Gwen is not the same Gwen that perished in issue 62. If you look carefully at Gwen before she was killed, you will see that she has hazel brown eyes. this new Gwen, for some unconfirmed reason, has blue eyes (as a side note, the 616 Gwen had blue eyes as well). Perhaps this is a way to mark the new Gwen as, well, the new Gwen.

Uhm... No. Try to not look at ANY colour of ANY eyes of ANY character in comic books. ANY of them. With different colourist every character has different eye colour. Bah! Sometimes even with the same colourist it changes. It's simple mistake. Such as Rogue flying (pencils) or script errors, too.
Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. You just like this comic too much and you were looking for details so much, that ordinary places to look just aren't enough:) Trust me, it don't have >>anything<< to do with her eye colour.

[bigboi87]

Uhm... No. Try to not look at ANY colour of ANY eyes of ANY character in comic books. ANY of them. With different colourist every character has different eye colour. Bah! Sometimes even with the same colourist it changes. It's simple mistake. Such as Rogue flying (pencils) or script errors, too.
Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. You just like this comic too much and you were looking for details so much, that ordinary places to look just aren't enough:) Trust me, it don't have >>anything<< to do with her eye colour.
her eyes were hazel for 50+ issues and, now after her return they are blue. it seems waaay to coincidental.

[Locue]

I believe this was what they called a blatant attempt at sarcasm in the old days. Or simply being a dork. ;)

[Tre Styles]

Why is Carnage Gwen Stacy? Why didn't he take on the form of the other 3 or 4 people he killed... that's the question I'm asking after this issue. I guessed it was Carnage a while back but I still don't understand why.

I'm not sure if Gwen was the last one that he killed, but it may have been the connection that Gwen had to Peter. In essence, the Carnage beast drained the original Gwen of her DNA, and it is that DNA that had the strongest "memory" or link to Peter, therefore it is why it took on Gwen's form. Obviously, Richard Parker knows about this, and was somehow involved with the Carnage cloning Gwen. I believe, in theory at least, that Carnage took on Gwen's form because she was the last link to Peter that he killed.

[kudlaty_true]

her eyes were hazel for 50+ issues and, now after her return they are blue. it seems waaay to coincidental.

You actually went through 50+ issues and looked at her eye colour on every page? Man, your good, lol:)
I don't want to pick a fight here... Just, just trust me. Until it will be said in the script by one of the characters of this comic book, that her eye colour has changed, it doesn't mean squat. Null. Nada. Nothing.
I'm this sceptic, because that kind of mistakes happened a lot before.
Hehe, and just in the sake of your future argument... I've went through ONLY 15 first issues of USM alone. This is what I've come up.

I have assumed, that first appearence of any character counts for it's original eyes colour, so that leaves us with:
Blue eyes: Aunt May, Flash, JJJ;
Green eyes: MJ

USM#8page6 Flash have brown eyes; page12 JJJ have brown eyes
USM#10page12 Aunt May have brown and on the next page already blue
USM#12page20 MJ have blue eyes
USM#14page4 Flash have brown eyes
USM#15page6 On the same page Flash have blue and brown eyes.

This just is 15 issues of one comic. Don't make me go through 30 years of Marvel universe, huh? Uh... I know that stubborness (or however you spell it) is tough to admit to. Well, I'm full of it too. Well, then. Of course, the eye colour could be important here. But untill someone like Peter or whoever doesn't notice it, I don't buy it. It is a colourist mistake.

[megabyte01]

i agree that the first two arcs had a different style and many of the inconsistencies you pointed out. this is obviously due to the artist still finding the style he wanted to use. by the end of it, Bagely knocked 10 years off of Aunt May's face. what i want to point out is the most consistent details that have suddenly changed for what has to be a significant reason.

let me ask you, do you think that this is the real gwen? that is, is the gwen that reappears in #98 the same as the one that debuted in #15?

[Toboe]

I don't think it's the same Gwen. The Gwen that devuted in issue #15 is dead and buried. I beleve there are two posibilities for the new Gwen:

- Carnage somehow survived and took her form since she was emotionally connected to Peter unlike the rest of the people it killed.
- Richard intended to clone Gwen Stacy, but then unintentionally created another version of Carnage. I guess this is more factible due to the way he spoke to Gwen, sort of father-like. I don't he would've been talking like that to her had he known she was Carnage.

I suppose this will be explained in the comic, and I hope it's soon because I'm losing my mind over this...

[kudlaty_true]

Well, I'll tell you my version of the story, all based on facts from USM, not by eye colour.
But first to answer your question. I completely agree with you - this is not the #15 Gwen. This is just carnage. I don't buy it, the Gwen/Carnage routine. Gwen is resurrected and for me she lost repect. I don't want her in this comic, unless it will not be Gwen at all, but just Carnage.
And now what happened. I think, that answer to question "who is this Gwen/Carnage thing" lies in answering the question "what happened in first appereance of the monster". Let's see. Carnage is made by Dr. Conners. This one was trying to change to Peter's father in original story. It also killed Gwen. Now, the monster dies in fire. Ben Reilly takes Parker's blood sample #2. This is when the next carnage arise. I only can't link the two of them together. What's missing, is either the moment, when the first carnage (which is made from Peter's blood) met Richard and took some of him, (Following of course the path of Carnage's powers. Anything it touches he absorbs). Or the second created Carnage (which we never saw and took place after the carnage story, and before the game script) had acces to Gwen's DNA.
And yes. I strongly believe, that there are two monsters and first one died in the fire. I'm basing this on this ones memories. The hospital etc. My guess is, that whoever is the mastermind, have made Gwen, put her in a hospital and after that, he made a lot of other Peters to mess up his life.
Once again. I'm not even nearly curious, what's the story with Gwen/Carnage. I'm more intrigued by whoever made this all happen. It's clearly not Fury, as someone suggested earlier. That is impossible by now. It has to be someone with a whole thing with Parker. He's holding a serios grudge towards him. And why in the ZOO? (I mean it's obvious, that final episode will happen in the ZOO) Hehe, what, Kraven got his revenge? lol:) I'm refusing to believe that's Norman. Harry - even dumber. Warren? What did Parker do to him? They even met in this comics? (I don't remember)

[Jack]

This is what I think about Gwen: They dug up her body and tried to bring her back with "the suit". It is supposed to heal people, after all. But obviously it didn't go according to plan.

Richard has been working on the suit all this time, and probably studied the Carnage version of it. He noticed that Peter's OZ DNA improved its healing capabilities, and so tested it on Gwen, with... pretty good results.

[sephirothskiller]

A very small part of me is wondering if we're gonna see some odd love triangle, where Peter has it for the "new" Gwen despite the fact that she quite clearly is made of Carnage. Its not likely, but I think it would be cool.

[gliderpilotgirl]

This is what I think about Gwen: They dug up her body and tried to bring her back with "the suit". It is supposed to heal people, after all. But obviously it didn't go according to plan.

Richard has been working on the suit all this time, and probably studied the Carnage version of it. He noticed that Peter's OZ DNA improved its healing capabilities, and so tested it on Gwen, with... pretty good results.

Who says they buried her? We never saw her grave. I'd bet the CIA somehow intercepted her body on it's way to the morgue or whatever, and gave it to Richard for his trials.

[kel25]

I always thought it was assumed that she was buried. Of course when her body was found it was unknown what she died from. It was very likely that the CDC was involved and carted of her body to study it for disease. From here her body could have slipped into any number of hands and eventually turned into Carnage. At the same time Gwen gets a closed casket funeral and everyone thinks they are burying her body.

[Chris S.]

Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. You just like this comic too much and you were looking for details so much, that ordinary places to look just aren't enough:) Trust me, it don't have >>anything<< to do with her eye colour.
Man are you gonna feel like a dumbas$ if they mention the change in eye color. Although very trivial I think it could be something, see your point though.

Just read this issue. I have to say that I don't care for Richard. The fact he never had any interest in Peter until he knew he had powers is awful. I see why, but I just think that is an awful thing for a parent. I think he will die before the end of the arc though.

Also I am not caring for the idea that Nick Fury is a bad guy. The UU has always kinda hinted at his power issues, but I think they go to far. I kinda think the Bendis is playin' of that in the story. I think that all this time Richard has been a fool and working for Dr. Warren.

Also I like the Aunt May thing. I can really see now why she reacted the way she did when Peter told her who he was. I liked the way she stood up to Richard. She's a lady that gives it too you straight. I think this heart attack is going to somehow create memory loss and she will go back to not knowing who peter is.

[kel25]

Just read this issue. I have to say that I don't care for Richard. The fact he never had any interest in Peter until he knew he had powers is awful. I see why, but I just think that is an awful thing for a parent. I think he will die before the end of the arc though.
Back in the Venom arc Peter’s father seemed like a good man that loved his son and was trying to make a difference in the world. Now he seems like an obsessive jerk. Although I dislike his character now it would be nice to have him stick around and see what stories develop from it. Besides killing him at the end of the arc would be too predictable.

[Shadow ES]

I'm not sure if Gwen was the last one that he killed, but it may have been the connection that Gwen had to Peter.
Carnage killed a couple cops after killing Gwen.

[megabyte01]

Back in the Venom arc Peter’s father seemed like a good man that loved his son and was trying to make a difference in the world. Now he seems like an obsessive jerk. Although I dislike his character now it would be nice to have him stick around and see what stories develop from it. Besides killing him at the end of the arc would be too predictable.

I like what you're saying. It'sbe pretty obvious that Peter's dad will be killed off, a little too obvious. Bendis dedicated entire issues to explaining and justifying Gwen's and Richard's presence in the clone saga. It seems like a lot of trouble to go through for characters that will bite it before the end.

[Jack]

Who says they buried her? We never saw her grave. I'd bet the CIA somehow intercepted her body on it's way to the morgue or whatever, and gave it to Richard for his trials.
Maybe, but it doesn't really make a difference to what I said.

[megabyte01]

Who says they buried her? We never saw her grave. I'd bet the CIA somehow intercepted her body on it's way to the morgue or whatever, and gave it to Richard for his trials.

I still have to ask the quetion: why are Gwen's eyes blue now instead of brown? There has to be a reason Gwen's eyes have changed color. and that reason is this: the Gwen that showed up at Peter's house is a clone. She/It was grown in a laboratory from a sample of Gwen. Anyone who has taken a basic biology class knows that the genes that determine certain physical characteristics in offspring are turned on and off seemingly at random during development. Gwen could be completely identical genetically and still have physical differences.

as for Gwen's memories, you'll have to ask the other clones how they got theirs.

[Nick MB]

I still have to ask the quetion: why are Gwen's eyes blue now instead of brown? There has to be a reason Gwen's eyes have changed color.

There might be a story-based reason, but you do have to accept the very real possibility that the reason Gwen's eyes have changed colour is that Ultimate Spider-Man has changed colourist since the last time she appeared, and the new one didn't check, so assumed she was blonde and blue eyed. Which isn't an uncommon combination.

[kudlaty_true]

Man are you gonna feel like a dumbas$ if they mention the change in eye color. Although very trivial I think it could be something, see your point though.

Oh, man. If they really mention it, I WILL feel like a dumbas$, heh and admit it:) AND I'll gain some more respect to Marvel. Uhm. At least their colourists:P



Also I am not caring for the idea that Nick Fury is a bad guy. The UU has always kinda hinted at his power issues, but I think they go to far. I kinda think the Bendis is playin' of that in the story.

I never believed that he is "the bad guy" in any way towards our heroes. All people here can dislike him, but that doesn't make him a bad guy. hehe, it only gives him spice:) Personally I like his character and his decisions put throughout the UU.


I think that all this time Richard has been a fool and working for Dr. Warren.
Allthough I'd like that, theres too many variables that says otherwise. For now, we are in lack of much facts of Richard's history, but unless Warren is some kind of CIA scientist, ... uhm, It 'shouldn't' be him.
Allthough it'll probably be him looking at 616 universe.

[Chris S.]

Allthough I'd like that, theres too many variables that says otherwise. For now, we are in lack of much facts of Richard's history, but unless Warren is some kind of CIA scientist, ... uhm, It 'shouldn't' be him.
Allthough it'll probably be him looking at 616 universe.
I have changed my theory since this comment. I believe Richard is behind all the clones. I still think he is working for someone who he "believes" to be the CIA. Maybe not Warren, but someone similar. Maybe an Osborn affiliate.

[kudlaty_true]

I was writing responce to your comment and it suddenly hit me. It's Trask. Let's think aside the Carnage right now. It's only Peter's problem. Look at it:
Richard was working for Trask industries on the suit. The cure for the cancer - as he thought. When he found out, that Trask is experimenting on the suit as the biological weapon, he stopped. Trask of course had Richard in his pocket. Richard said it himself, right? He didn't have money. Luckily for him, he had common sense and a good heart and he stood up even to his wife, while she was boarding the plane, along with the Brocks. Trask - thinking that Richard was aboard that plane, blew it up. Problem solved, right? Few days/weeks pass. CIA approaches now "dead" Parker and offers him a job to continue his research while being dead to the world. 15 years flies. Peter becomes Spider-man. At some point he finds his dad's life work in a piece of black matter. Venom is born. Richard finds out about Peter becoming spider-man, he blews his cover by spying on his own son. 3 months pass. Dr. Curt Connors start his own experiments on Parker's blood and that's when something goes wrong.
Carnage arise. Trask (presumably dead) finds out that Richard is not dead. Furthermore, he believes that Richard is still working on a suit, but in a weapon form. Hence - carnage. Having a problem with that and being unable to hurt old Parker - he's under CIA protection, he thought of a plan to draw him out. Get to his kid. But how you get to a kid with powers? Easy. Create distraction big enough to make a family reunion necessary. He creates the clones, unleash them on the city for Peter to find. And by the issue 100, his plan is already set in motion.

Like the story? Hm. I liked it when it hit me. Now I can't fit the second Carnage in this mess.

[kel25]

Interesting theory but I doubt it will be what really ends up happening.

Although I do agree with you that Gwen’s eye color is probably nothing more than a mistake. It’s a mistake has happened several times in all comics and even characters with unique eyes, such as Gambit. Like you said until a character mentions the eye color change I’m also marking it up as a common mistake. If I’m wrong my hats off to you Soincjuce.

[gliderpilotgirl]

I have changed my theory since this comment. I believe Richard is behind all the clones. I still think he is working for someone who he "believes" to be the CIA. Maybe not Warren, but someone similar. Maybe an Osborn affiliate.
That theory makes alot of sense. Richard would undoubtably be the number one guy with the expertise to do that sort of thing.

[megabyte01]

I was writing responce to your comment and it suddenly hit me. It's Trask.

Trask is dead. At the end of the Ultimate Spider-Man game, Eddie caught up with Trask, and then transformed into Venom. It's a safe bet Trask is dead.

If I may, I would like to make some speculation as to the rest of clone saga's plot given what we know so far and have been given through the previews.

issue #101: Peter has to fight Gwen/Carnage. Pretty obvious since Carnage is on the cover! He will either subdue Carnage and Gwen will turn back to "normal", or he will hve no choice but to destroy Carnage again, crying like a baby (i know i will). Either way, Fury and his spider-slayers will catch spider-man with relative ease.

Issue #102: Peter is incarcerated. Fury is furious and tries to get spidey to tell him where the clones are coming from (which of course he doesn't know). Meanwhile, the Fantastic Four have discovered something important, such as the location of the Zoo, and procede to help Spider-Man. There is also a chance that Shadowcat will pop in to help spidey, and if she does, their relashionship will be cemented, despite the naysayers. Soon, Spidey and friends will go to the Zoo to confront the mastermind of the clone saga (possibly Richard, but i'm not sure).

Issue #103: Spider-Man and friends go to confront the mastermind of the clone saga. Deformed Peter and MJ will likely be there. In the middle of a big fight with a bunch of random enemies, possibly clones, the mastermind will reveal a crippling secret about Peter's past, one that will shatter him to his core (and possibly shatter continuity as we know it). During this time, one more big and ugly monster will start to fight Spider-Man. but Spider-Man won't be in much shape to confront it psychologically and the group of heroes helping him will be too ocupied with said mobs. Peter will be on the verge of dying in the cliffhanger for the last issue of clone saga.

Issue #104: Peter remembers who he is and snaps out of it. Despite the injuries he took in the last issue, he will put up a terriffic fight and beat the big bad monster. in the porcess, the entire complex will come crashing down, burying the enemies, the clones, and possibly his family members who have been kidnapped and taken here. I can't call which ones will make it out - MJ, Aunt May, Richard, and or Gwen. Hopefully all of them - but Peter's surviving family, Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four (and possibly Kitty) will escape in time and the horrible nightmare will finally be over. Nothing will be the same, but if everyone makes it out okay, then it will be a nice big happy ending that would be the perfect place to end the series. Of course, it would also be a good starting off point for the new status quo that enter's Peter's life, and a fantastic way to celebrate one year as Spider-Man (remember, it is approximately one year since the spider bite.

[gliderpilotgirl]

Trask is dead. At the end of the Ultimate Spider-Man game, Eddie caught up with Trask, and then transformed into Venom. It's a safe bet Trask is dead.

If I may, I would like to make some speculation as to the rest of clone saga's plot given what we know so far and have been given through the previews.

issue #101: Peter has to fight Gwen/Carnage. Pretty obvious since Carnage is on the cover! He will either subdue Carnage and Gwen will turn back to "normal", or he will hve no choice but to destroy Carnage again, crying like a baby (i know i will). Either way, Fury and his spider-slayers will catch spider-man with relative ease.

Issue #102: Peter is incarcerated. Fury is furious and tries to get spidey to tell him where the clones are coming from (which of course he doesn't know). Meanwhile, the Fantastic Four have discovered something important, such as the location of the Zoo, and procede to help Spider-Man. There is also a chance that Shadowcat will pop in to help spidey, and if she does, their relashionship will be cemented, despite the naysayers. Soon, Spidey and friends will go to the Zoo to confront the mastermind of the clone saga (possibly Richard, but i'm not sure).

Issue #103: Spider-Man and friends go to confront the mastermind of the clone saga. Deformed Peter and MJ will likely be there. In the middle of a big fight with a bunch of random enemies, possibly clones, the mastermind will reveal a crippling secret about Peter's past, one that will shatter him to his core (and possibly shatter continuity as we know it). During this time, one more big and ugly monster will start to fight Spider-Man. but Spider-Man won't be in much shape to confront it psychologically and the group of heroes helping him will be too ocupied with said mobs. Peter will be on the verge of dying in the cliffhanger for the last issue of clone saga.

Issue #104: Peter remembers who he is and snaps out of it. Despite the injuries he took in the last issue, he will put up a terriffic fight and beat the big bad monster. in the porcess, the entire complex will come crashing down, burying the enemies, the clones, and possibly his family members who have been kidnapped and taken here. I can't call which ones will make it out - MJ, Aunt May, Richard, and or Gwen. Hopefully all of them - but Peter's surviving family, Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four (and possibly Kitty) will escape in time and the horrible nightmare will finally be over. Nothing will be the same, but if everyone makes it out okay, then it will be a nice big happy ending that would be the perfect place to end the series. Of course, it would also be a good starting off point for the new status quo that enter's Peter's life, and a fantastic way to celebrate one year as Spider-Man (remember, it is approximately one year since the spider bite.
cool...some speculation :)
ok: I agree with you on 101, and the part where Peter will be captured in 102. I also think Kitty may show up to rescue him, but I recall Bendis saying that Kitty and MJ would team up to help Peter. So I am going to bet MJ will have some sort of powers ( after she has kicked Kaine's butt )and those two will rescue him. I doubt Peter is going to choose Kitty though, based on 97. For some reason, I don't think Richard is going to walk away from this. I'd bet the "crippling secret" is that his father is evil. and I am going to bet that Gwen isn't Gwen. I am curious, where are you getting this stuff?
yay..only 2.5 weeks left till 101!

[kudlaty_true]

Wait a minute: What's the date to launch 101?

[megabyte01]

Wait a minute: What's the date to launch 101?


octuber 25th. here's a link.
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?book_id=5218
just two more weeks.

[ultimatespyder20]

octuber 25th. here's a link.
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?book_id=5218
just two more weeks.

I can't wait!

Alec

[Omega Alpha]

Just read it, and i'm disappointed. This book lost it's direction, and now the only thing that Bendis can do is introduce 500 characters every arc (and some are not even Spidey-related characters, like the Reavers), and most stories are lame.

[megabyte01]

Just read it, and i'm disappointed. This book lost it's direction, and now the only thing that Bendis can do is introduce 500 characters every arc (and some are not even Spidey-related characters, like the Reavers), and most stories are lame.

i agree that the last few stories haven't been up to par with the older usm arcs. i have a feeling that this one will swing things around. usm will either be worth reading again, or it will be dropped for good. all we can do is wait, and hope it doesn't suck.

[Jake V]

Just read it, and i'm disappointed. This book lost it's direction, and now the only thing that Bendis can do is introduce 500 characters every arc (and some are not even Spidey-related characters, like the Reavers), and most stories are lame.
What it's direction supposed to be? I mean, I'm assuming you know better than the guy who writes it.

[Ham Sammiches]

I used to enjoy this book so much more, but that Deadpool arc and then this lackluster issue #100. I just don't know anymore. This whole clone saga had better not have a stupid ending...Gwen Stacey Carnage hybrid you say, brilliant! Deadpool has no face? I love it! Jokes about Waldorf Maryland? Bitchin! On an unrelated side note, I'll never get why you take an amusing and socially abhorrent charcter like Deadpool and then make him almost totally unable to interact with people. He's an amusing charcter. Also, we the people demand Ultimate Tolliver in the next arc because thy're all Spider-Man villains now. Oh, and Rocket Racer, he's slightly less lame then Omega Red when you get past the character design...I'm half joking. They both kind of suck once you remove the rose colored glaces of youth and realize that Omega Red is just another nifty looking, but totally unnecessary character from Wolverine's confounding, convoluted and at this point meaningless backstory. All apologies for the off topic Wolverine ranting. Also, Omega Red totally ate it in USM so there you go neat little package.

[JamesD]

I just read this issue and it had the feel of a TV episode in sweeps week.
Oh but wait, there's another plot twist that's only there because we wanted to throw everything at you but the kitchen sink.

Peter has a twin... no... clone... with a tail.
MJ is kidnapped... by Peter's evil mutant twin.
Peter encounters... a female version of himself??? Or is it future MJ?
Many armed Spidy thingy tries to defend MJ but proves to be a total wimp.
Wait, MJ has been transformed into a... shhhhh... top secret.
You can trust the Fantastic 4... NOT!
Gwen is alive...
Aunt may, I'm Spider-man.
Get out of my house.
Oh... hi dad... thought you were dead.
Everyone get out of my house.
No, I was secretly working for the CIA.
They're coming to take him away ha ha...
No wait... Gwen is Carnage.

So is MJ going to be a bowling ball (think J.Geils Band) or is Peter going to wake up and it was all a dream to make this disaster complete?
Too much out of the blue at one time.

[The Foreigner]

What it's direction supposed to be? I mean, I'm assuming you know better than the guy who writes it.

Why so sarcastic? I can only assume the "direction" he was referring to was building a mythology based on strong characterization, clever writing, original plots, etc. and in his opinion, the series has lost many of these elements that made the series what it was to begin with.

[JamesD]

All I have to say is 101 better be a hell of an issue to clean up that mess!

[kudlaty_true]

LOL, and #100 wasn't for you? What do you expect? Mythological symbols, Dostojewski's deduction and complex metaphores? Lighten up, this is a comic book with guys in spandex flying around town, directed to children. Of course here we will have mess, and issue 101 won't solve nothing. If anything, it will add more questions.

[DBZ MAN]

I agree. You can't expect the poor guy to read your minds on what you think the actual direction of the series should be going..

[Omega Alpha]

What it's direction supposed to be? I mean, I'm assuming you know better than the guy who writes it.

So, we can't complain about the comics now, because "writer knows best"? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And what i meant for lost it's direction is that, well, the book isn't going anywhere now, the writing has been weak compared to what it used to be, and all Bendis does is to introduce 300 new characters each arc, many even not Spidey-related (WTF are the Reavers doing here?) and Clone Saga, while an improvement from the 616 one, is only making things worse.

[Shadow ES]

I'm guessing the last couple arcs have been filler so Bendis could do the Clone Saga to coincide with issue 100, so it'll probably (hopefully) pick up again after this is over.

[nuclearman]

I have only baught a handful of the ultimate spidey issues... and #100 was a huge letdown... I love the Ultimates but Ultimate Spidey just doesn't feel like Peter Parker yet.

[Chris S.]

I have only baught a handful of the ultimate spidey issues... and #100 was a huge letdown... I love the Ultimates but Ultimate Spidey just doesn't feel like Peter Parker yet.
If you've only bought a handful then you missed a lot man. They really did grow the character. I don't think peter has aged at all, not what I mean. A lot of things have happened to him, and as a "person" he has grown.

He isn't the same person. Very very similar, but not the same.

Issue 100 may not have been great, but in the grander scheme of things it was a huge moment. Think of it like that.