This Vulcan dude, where does he fall?

[Kid Quick Foots]

ok, so i havent been keeping up with Marvel as much as i use to, so im just now finding out about this Vulcan dude, the third Summers brother, and from all reports he is one bad m.f., saying he is "beyond omega level", and he is on par with galactus in terms of power. So, is he the strongest psi? where would he fall on this list?...

Franklin Richards(fully powered)
Phoenix II
Prof. X
Jean Grey(with Phoenix)
Jean Grey(without Phoenix)
Cable
X-Man(even though he is dead)
Shadow King
Mr. Sinister
Legion

i know there are others, but its early and i cant think right now, feel free to add as you see fit.

[Xanrn]

He is not a Psyker at all.

He is a Summers brother, Energy Manipulation is his thing.

[Barnaby]

That "beyond Omega level" was a mistake, already corrected. He's just Omega level... nothing can be beyond something that already means limitless...

Power wise, the guy manipulates energy, but i doubt he can be anywhere near Galactus in terms of power, not even Phoenix, maybe one step ahead of good old Mags.

[fishtaco]

Flat on his face.

Oh, sorry.

[Titan76]

ok, so i havent been keeping up with Marvel as much as i use to, so im just now finding out about this Vulcan dude, the third Summers brother, and from all reports he is one bad m.f., saying he is "beyond omega level", and he is on par with galactus in terms of power. So, is he the strongest psi? where would he fall on this list?...
First Vulcan in no way is on pair with Galactus. He is also not a telepath either, he manipulates energy so he wouldn't be put on the list as a psi. And he isn't beyond Omega level either. Even though it that was said in the Deadly Genesis Brubaker(who wrote it) has said that was a mistake. He is just an Omega level mutant.

If you want to learn everything about Vulcan just read Deadly Genesis and start reading Uncanny X-men #475 on up which is where the story counties from.

[Barnaby]

By the way... i hope Gladiator will kick his @ss! :evilsmile

[Sheldon]

By the way... i hope Gladiator will kick his @ss! :evilsmile
Gladiator is set to do some jobbing worse than his "loss" to Cannonball.

[Titan76]

Gladiator is set to do some jobbing worse than his "loss" to Cannonball.
Gladiator didn't jobb to Cannonball, he was toying with him the whole fight(remember he stop Cannonball from pushing him in mid-flight with little effort) and when he went to punch Cannonball, Cannonball shield's where able to absorb it.

Now I very much doubt Gladiator used a planet-buster punch on Cannonball since his main reason for going to Earth was to get the X-men's help. He most likely put barely any effort into that punch but he was still surprise to see that Cannonball's force Field was able to block it, and when Gladiator ever doubts himself that's when his power levels go down.

[steve2275]

Flat on his face.

Oh, sorry.
wrong:p
its on his butt

[Sheldon]

Gladiator didn't jobb to Cannonball, he was toying with him the whole fight(remember he stop Cannonball from pushing him in mid-flight with little effort) and when he went to punch Cannonball, Cannonball shield's where able to absorb it.

Now I very much doubt Gladiator used a planet-buster punch on Cannonball since his main reason for going to Earth was to get the X-men's help. He most likely put barely any effort into that punch but he was still surprise to see that Cannonball's force Field was able to block it, and when Gladiator ever doubts himself that's when his power levels go down.

Yet quite a few people use this as an example to make Cannonball's power levels higher than it has any right to be.

All I know is that there is no way Glads is gonna come out of his fight with Vulcan looking anything more than a jobber.

[brundlefly]

Gladiator is set to do some jobbing worse than his "loss" to Cannonball.

I am not looking forward to Gladiator being used as "enhancement talent" again, this time to make Vulcan look more formidable. And the Cannonball fight's "he's holding back" argument (which is feasible) doesn't work here, unfortunately, since there's no reason that Glads would hold back against an invader like Vulcan.

[Titan76]

Yet quite a few people use this as an example to make Cannonball's power levels higher than it has any right to be.
Mostly because they are hyping Cannonball up since he came out of the fight with the win or because they never actually saw the fight and just heard it and passed it along to others. And when someone says that Cannonball beat Gladiator and thus person who told them doesn't know how, their first thought is Gladiator jobb to him, which wasn't the case here.

All I know is that there is no way Glads is gonna come out of his fight with Vulcan looking anything more than a jobber.
The might be true but we will have to wait and see.

[For the Good of X]

Perhaps his entry in the soon to be/currently publishing Handbook to the MU will clarify this matter.

[Kid Quick Foots]

ok, but if you go to wikepedia they clearly state that he IS omega level and has TONS of psi power in addition to energy manipulation AND he is on par with galactus. now is wikipedea wrong?

[Deus ex Chris]

now is wikipedea wrong?
If that's what it states, then yes, it's wrong, which has been known to happen.

[Sheldon]

ok, but if you go to wikepedia they clearly state that he IS omega level and has TONS of psi power in addition to energy manipulation AND he is on par with galactus. now is wikipedea wrong?

Well considering you or anyone for that matter could edit wikipedia to say that doesn't mean it's right...

[dellicious]

i dunno but hes a boring antagonist
he comes off as really bratty generic angry kid

[Omega Alpha]

ok, but if you go to wikepedia they clearly state that he IS omega level and has TONS of psi power in addition to energy manipulation AND he is on par with galactus. now is wikipedea wrong?

Yes, Wikipedia is wrong. He doesn't have psi powers and it's nowhere close to a herald level, much less Galactus.

[dellicious]

Yes, Wikipedia is wrong. He doesn't have psi powers and it's nowhere close to a herald level, much less Galactus.


yup youre right

these people need to quick trusting everything fan sites and heck even marvel sites sometimes say

just read the books for the answers

[Omega Alpha]

Actually, i understand why Vulcan was so overrated, it's because in Deadly Genesis he had the powers of the entire 1.5 team (one of the most powerful X-men teams ever), which made him more powerful than almost anyone. But after Darwin left his body, he has powered down a lot.

[dellicious]

Actually, i understand why Vulcan was so overrated, it's because in Deadly Genesis he had the powers of the entire 1.5 team (one of the most powerful X-men teams ever), which made him more powerful than almost anyone. But after Darwin left his body, he has powered down a lot.


regardless of his powers i never found him interesting
he seemed bland and forced

[Daithi]

Actually, i understand why Vulcan was so overrated, it's because in Deadly Genesis he had the powers of the entire 1.5 team (one of the most powerful X-men teams ever), which made him more powerful than almost anyone. But after Darwin left his body, he has powered down a lot.

I'll be the judge of that when he takes on Gladiator!

[dellicious]

I'll be the judge of that when he takes on Gladiator!


of course he'll win or else we wont have that uncanny xmen in space and have it stretch for another 8 issues kind of predictable and on ed brubakers why of making him bad@$$ while not really having much of a personality :(

[Daithi]

of course he'll win or else we wont have that uncanny xmen in space and have it stretch for another 8 issues kind of predictable and on ed brubakers why of making him bad@$$ while not really having much of a personality :(

On this I agree. He reminds me of Stryfe but I thought Stryfe worked better and had a better motive.

[dellicious]

On this I agree. He reminds me of Stryfe but I thought Stryfe worked better and had a better motive.

we agree yay:D

[ReaderX]

I do not see how Vulcan is considered as an Omega. He drained all his power simply shutting down 2 shiar war cruisers. If his power was limitless, then he would have destroyed the 2 ships without even blinking and went on his merry way. The Summers bloodline has the potential to be omega, but only 2 or 3 generations down the line. example: Cable near the end of Soldier X. He had accepted his limitless power and went full-on Messiah complex like X-Man had as Shaman.

[Jake V]

I do not see how Vulcan is considered as an Omega. He drained all his power simply shutting down 2 shiar war cruisers. If his power was limitless, then he would have destroyed the 2 ships without even blinking and went on his merry way. The Summers bloodline has the potential to be omega, but only 2 or 3 generations down the line. example: Cable near the end of Soldier X. He had accepted his limitless power and went full-on Messiah complex like X-Man had as Shaman.
Iceman is an omega as well. You think he might be a little drained after taking out 2 immensely powerful Shi'ar warships in the middle of deep space?

[ReaderX]

Actually, no he wouldn't. He'd simply freeze every water molecule in the ships, including in the shiar on board, something similar to what he did to put out the museum fires in their trip to Europe with Banshee's mod squad. Omega is infinite, Phoenix level infinite, a world destroyer.

Maybe when combined with Darrwin, Vulcan was an omega, because Darwin is potentially an omega. but without Darwin, Vulcan is merely a Miss Marvel wannabe. An Alpha at best.

[carabas]

Wasn't Phoenix drained all the time too? Even Galactus gets hungry.
Omega means infinite potential, apparently. Not infinite stamina. Vulcan, being a bit new to all this obviously is still learning.

[The Fury]

Iceman is an omega as well. You think he might be a little drained after taking out 2 immensely powerful Shi'ar warships in the middle of deep space?
By knowledge of his power that shouldn't really be that hard. He bends energy right? Okay in a sense that has so many possibilties. But also has it's own limitations. In the case of those warships, all he had to do was bend the energy that propelled them forward, so that they crashed into one another. But he made it look hard to do and complained about getting tired.


Still a crappy character though, I wouldn't even call him badass, he's just a cry baby.

[Xanrn]

Well as for being on par with Galactus.

Galactus wields the Cosmic Force which is Energy.

Vulcan is an Energy Manipulator.

So maybe he could beat Galactus.

[The Fury]

Well as for being on par with Galactus.

Galactus wields the Cosmic Force which is Energy.

Vulcan is an Energy Manipulator.

So maybe he could beat Galactus.
We do not actually know Cosmic Force is energy. It's a force. Like Pheonix Force.

[jarrod]

Actually, i understand why Vulcan was so overrated, it's because in Deadly Genesis he had the powers of the entire 1.5 team (one of the most powerful X-men teams ever), which made him more powerful than almost anyone. But after Darwin left his body, he has powered down a lot.
The wave of mutant energy that Wanda seperated from most of Earth's mutants also powered him up quite a bit.... in fact that seems to be what accelerated his energy manipulation to near Omega levels now.

[Titan76]

I do not see how Vulcan is considered as an Omega. He drained all his power simply shutting down 2 shiar war cruisers. If his power was limitless, then he would have destroyed the 2 ships without even blinking and went on his merry way.
Just because he is Omega doesn't mean he knows the full capabilities of his powers. He doesn't have all the training he would needed to have the full knowledge of what he can do and he may never live up to his potential. Its just like Death Vader, potentially he was the most powerful Jedi who had ever lived but he wasn't the most powerful Jedi who had ever lived. Hope that makes some sense.


The Summers bloodline has the potential to be omega, but only 2 or 3 generations down the line. example: Cable near the end of Soldier X. He had accepted his limitless power and went full-on Messiah complex like X-Man had as Shaman.
Actually we don't really know if the Summers bloodline has the Omega gene. We just know that they have powerful genes and that they can be mix with any other genes and the offspring will be very powerful.

Your example of Cable is a good one but you forgot one thing. Cable's mother was a clone of an Omega mutant, Jean Grey. I would suspect that Jean's genes had more to do with Cable being so upper powerful then did Cyclops.

[jarrod]

I dunno about Vulcan... Darwin's fusion plus the wave of mutant energy is mainly what pushed his power levels, I'd say he's probably operating near his upper limit as is now. Most likely, I'd he's probably a high Alpha (like Scott and Alex), who's been pushed artificailly to the upper limits of his potential.

[brundlefly]

On this I agree. He reminds me of Stryfe but I thought Stryfe worked better and had a better motive.

I am totally on board with you on that. If they wanted a "villainous Summers family character" in the X-universe, Stryfe should have been revealed as Nathan Christopher (as was originally intended) and gotten the chance to stick around. He had much more future stories potential in the long run than Vulcan, who will be pretty much out of gas once he either gets his revenge on the Shiar or dies in the process.

[Deus ex Chris]

I am totally on board with you on that. If they wanted a "villainous Summers family character" in the X-universe, Stryfe should have been revealed as Nathan Christopher (as was originally intended) and gotten the chance to stick around. He had much more future stories potential in the long run than Vulcan, who will be pretty much out of gas once he either gets his revenge on the Shiar or dies in the process.
Yes, because the clone of your son (or even the "real" son) you sent to the future and who returned twice your age is a much better choice of villain. For some reason, the long-lost brother gone bad has more emotional resonance. Maybe it's the simplicity.

[brundlefly]

Yes, because the clone of your son (or even the "real" son) you sent to the future and who returned twice your age is a much better choice of villain. For some reason, the long-lost brother gone bad has more emotional resonance. Maybe it's the simplicity.

I disagree. If they had kept Stryfe as the actual son of Scott and Maddie, not as the son's clone, he would have had legs as a villain. They neutered him when they flip-flopped on "who was real/who was the clone" with him and Cable and I agree that he lost his relevance at that point. With Styfe-as-Nathan, the "angry son who feels abandoned and wants revenge" is a very simple idea. On the other hand, Vulcan's history as "the long-lost brother who was kidnapped by the Shiar, scientifically force-aged into a teen and kept as a slave, who then somehow returned to Earth with no memories, was trained in secret on Muir Island, "died" on his first mission, had his existence erased from memory by Xavier, was revealed to be still alive via merging with a teammate and using his survival abilities when the living island he was on shot itself into space, then returned to Earth for revenge on Xavier, subsequently then left Earth for further revenge on the Shiar" is most certainly not "simple;" it's just as convoluted as the idea of an infant being sent into the future, growing up in a dystopia under Apocalypse's rule, and then returning to the present as an adult for revenge on those he felt abandoned or betrayed him.

[Deus ex Chris]

I disagree. If they had kept Stryfe as the actual son of Scott and Maddie, not as the son's clone, he would have had legs as a villain. They neutered him when they flip-flopped on "who was real/who was the clone" with him and Cable and I agree that he lost his relevance at that point. With Styfe-as-Nathan, the "angry son who feels abandoned and wants revenge" is a very simple idea. On the other hand, Vulcan's history as "the long-lost brother who was kidnapped by the Shiar, scientifically force-aged into a teen and kept as a slave, who then somehow returned to Earth with no memories, was trained in secret on Muir Island, "died" on his first mission, had his existence erased from memory by Xavier, was revealed to be still alive via merging with a teammate and using his survival abilities when the living island he was on shot itself into space, then returned to Earth for revenge on Xavier, subsequently then left Earth for further revenge on the Shiar" is most certainly not "simple;" it's just as convoluted as the idea of an infant being sent into the future, growing up in a dystopia under Apocalypse's rule, and then returning to the present as an adult for revenge on those he felt abandoned or betrayed him.

Ok, Stryfe is lame. That work better for you?

[brundlefly]

Ok, Stryfe is lame. That work better for you?

Sure, Stryfe-as-Nathan's-clone is lame. But Vulcan is lame all-around.

[Deus ex Chris]

Sure, Stryfe-as-Nathan's-clone is lame. But Vulcan is lame all-around.
That's where we differ. Cable is lame, so Stryfe can't help but be lame. It doesn't matter which is or isn't the original, their whole story is just lame and convoluted--especially when you factor the fact that their mother was a clone herself. Then, there's the whole Nate Grey, business. There's only one Vulcan, and that alone gives him an edge. ;)

[jarrod]

All three are rather lame... though Cable had a nice turnaround since Soldier X. I do think the Cable/Stryfe dynamic would've been much more potent had their origins been reversed though (as Liefield had wanted actually).

[dellicious]

Sure, Stryfe-as-Nathan's-clone is lame. But Vulcan is lame all-around.


yep i agree vulcan is lameo

stryfe > vulcan and i didnt even like stryfe

[brundlefly]

That's where we differ. Cable is lame, so Stryfe can't help but be lame. It doesn't matter which is or isn't the original, their whole story is just lame and convoluted--especially when you factor the fact that their mother was a clone herself. Then, there's the whole Nate Grey, business. There's only one Vulcan, and that alone gives him an edge. ;)

The execution is where they messed Stryfe up. As a streamlined initial idea (Stryfe=Nathan Christopher Summers; wants revenge on his parents and Apocalypse for what they did to him as a baby, plus Xavier and Sinister just for good measure) he's great; bogged down by the relationship with New Mutants/X-Force-era Cable (who I agree was horribly lame then and is only somewhat more palatable now) the idea got corrupted, confusing, and lost any appeal. I never had any problem with the Maddie-clone thing (probably because of her role as Sinister's pawn) and Nate Grey was just a bad idea who really has nothing to do with Stryfe (that's like saying the original Beast is lame because one thinks Dark Beast is lame). I think in the long run Vulcan will probably end up going down the same route as Stryfe: his story will get more and more convoluted, he'll die and return without explanantion over and over again, each time returning for some vague "revenge," until he's finally damaged goods as a character just like Stryfe is.

[fishtaco]

That's where we differ. Cable is lame, so Stryfe can't help but be lame. It doesn't matter which is or isn't the original, their whole story is just lame and convoluted--especially when you factor the fact that their mother was a clone herself. Then, there's the whole Nate Grey, business. There's only one Vulcan, and that alone gives him an edge. What about before Cable was revealed to be the son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor? 'Cause I happen to think that when he was retconned as such, he became lame, although CDP has been good...

[Deus ex Chris]

The execution is where they messed Stryfe up. As a streamlined initial idea (Stryfe=Nathan Christopher Summers; wants revenge on his parents and Apocalypse for what they did to him as a baby, plus Xavier and Sinister just for good measure) he's great; bogged down by the relationship with New Mutants/X-Force-era Cable (who I agree was horribly lame then and is only somewhat more palatable now) the idea got corrupted, confusing, and lost any appeal. I never had any problem with the Maddie-clone thing (probably because of her role as Sinister's pawn) and Nate Grey was just a bad idea who really has nothing to do with Stryfe (that's like saying the original Beast is lame because one thinks Dark Beast is lame). I think in the long run Vulcan will probably end up going down the same route as Stryfe: his story will get more and more convoluted, he'll die and return without explanantion over and over again, each time returning for some vague "revenge," until he's finally damaged goods as a character just like Stryfe is.

Well, this isn't 1995, so Vulcan has some hope.

[Mariah]

Well, this isn't 1995, so Vulcan has some hope.
what? I overshot my time travel trip? what year am I in? I'm a woman lost in time!!!!!