Some Weird Argument That Began With A Discussion of the Great Bill Sienkiewicz

[Dan Apodaca]

oh lord that has to be one of the worst covers in existence:evilangry (obviously i hate sinkiwiecz)he almost made me stop reading comics when i was a kid, cause i was scarred that this was some sort of new trend happening.

This is how we know that I'm the good one and you're the evil one.

[curefreak]

This is how we know that I'm the good one and you're the evil one.
and whats wrong with that?:evilsmile

[curefreak]

im sorry but i dont think avant-garde artwork belongs in a comic
if anywhere.
it should belong in a muesuem were rich snooty people can speculate about the inner meaning of a bunch of random painstrokes.

[dancj]

Bill Seinkeiwicz is one of the best artists in the business (in fact I think he was in my top ten for that recent CBR Top 100 vote). I'd never describe it as avant garde. Just a bit mental!

Dave McKean's art can be a bit avant garde, but I have no problem with that either

[curefreak]

Bill Seinkeiwicz is one of the best artists in the business (in fact I think he was in my top ten for that recent CBR Top 100 vote). I'd never describe it as avant garde. Just a bit mental!

Dave McKean's art can be a bit avant garde, but I have no problem with that either
well personally i hate it and i think hes the worst .
and besides his new mutants thing hes never really had any long term jobs that im aware of so i dont think his work is all that popular in the industry.

[founder81]

well personally i hate it and i think hes the worst .
and besides his new mutants thing hes never really had any long term jobs that im aware of so i dont think his work is all that popular in the industry.

I know he had a decent run on Spectacular Spider-man as well.

[curefreak]

I know he had a decent run on Spectacular Spider-man as well.
ugh i dont even wanna see that.

[Reptisaurus!]

well personally i hate it and i think hes the worst .
and besides his new mutants thing hes never really had any long term jobs that im aware of so i dont think his work is all that popular in the industry.

I sincerely doubt that the reason Bill Seinkeiwicz can't get work is that he can't get hired t'draw Spider-man.

Right now he's doing graphic design stuff for Pink Floyd which probably pays a li'l bit better.

Which sucks. I'd love to see another Stray Toasters.

Honestly, cf, I'd ignore his stuff for now and take a gander again in a couplea years. He really does have massive design skills and there's a lot of us who, geez, just love his work.

[curefreak]

I sincerely doubt that the reason Bill Seinkeiwicz can't get work is that he can't get hired t'draw Spider-man.

Right now he's doing graphic design stuff for Pink Floyd which probably pays a li'l bit better.

Which sucks. I'd love to see another Stray Toasters.

Honestly, cf, I'd ignore his stuff for now and take a gander again in a couplea years. He really does have massive design skills and there's a lot of us who, geez, just love his work.
well his work on nightwing and huntress was light years ahead of the stuff he did on new mutants.
but i just dont think i can forgive him for what he did to my eyes.

[Dan Apodaca]

well his work on nightwing and huntress was light years ahead of the stuff he did on new mutants.
but i just dont think i can forgive him for what he did to my eyes.

I know, it's hard to have them opened, after all those years of being closed.

[Dan Apodaca]

im sorry but i dont think avant-garde artwork belongs in a comic
if anywhere.
it should belong in a muesuem were rich snooty people can speculate about the inner meaning of a bunch of random painstrokes.

Yeah, screw art! Why do they keep trying to make comics into art?! Those bastards!

Hooray for anti-intellectualism!

[Punch]

I haven't seen Siekiewicz's most recent stuff, the last thing I saw was the Endless Nights story he did. I think it looked horrible, it looked like it wasn't reproduced correctly. Also I wish BS would leave all the Photoshop stuff to Mckean, and go back to plain ol' drawing.

That being said, I think he's one of the best and most important comic artists we've seen.

[curefreak]

Yeah, screw art! Why do they keep trying to make comics into art?! Those bastards!

Hooray for anti-intellectualism!theres comic book art and then theres ART wich is shown in meusuems and wherever else they show important paintings.
theres nothing intellectual about sinkiewicz work in my opinion its just very sloppy but i was making the point (wich seemed to get lost) that hes stuff is a lot like avant garde paintings to me .

[Dan Apodaca]

theres comic book art and then theres ART wich is shown in meusuems and wherever else they show important paintings.
theres nothing intellectual about sinkiewicz work in my opinion its just very sloppy but i was making the point (wich seemed to get lost) that hes stuff is a lot like avant garde paintings to me .

It's not sloppy. If you've ever seen his process, you'll see that it's all very intentional and precise.

And what you said wasn't lost, I just thought it was a silly thing to say. I can't understand why you want to put a limit on what kind of art should be in comics.

[curefreak]

It's not sloppy. If you've ever seen his process, you'll see that it's all very intentional and precise.

And what you said wasn't lost, I just thought it was a silly thing to say. I can't understand why you want to put a limit on what kind of art should be in comics.
its called an opinion surely your not so high and might that there hasnt been an artist that you thought was crappy or didnt seem right for comics?.

[Dan Apodaca]

its called an opinion surely your not so high and might that there hasnt been an artist that you thought was crappy or didnt seem right for comics?.

If you can't handle someone disagreeing with your opinion, you might want to reconsider hanging out on a message board.

Well, I'm not high right now, but I am pretty mighty. Sure, there are artists I think are crappy, but I don't think that there's a particular style of art that "isn't right" for comics.

I don't want all my comics to be the same.

[Joe Rice]

And there's no necessary distinction between "museum" art and cartooning art.

[curefreak]

If you can't handle someone disagreeing with your opinion, you might want to reconsider hanging out on a message board.

Well, I'm not high right now, but I am pretty mighty. Sure, there are artists I think are crappy, but I don't think that there's a particular style of art that "isn't right" for comics.

I don't want all my comics to be the same.
i dont care if you disagree with me but i dont like having my intelligence questioned.

[Dan Apodaca]

i dont care if you disagree with me but i dont like having my intelligence questioned.

Nobody does.

Besides, I didn't do that.

[curefreak]

Nobody does.

Besides, I didn't do that.
anti-intellectualism? boy i must have misread that.

[Joe Rice]

i dont care if you disagree with me but i dont like having my intelligence questioned.

This is so going to sound snotty and I so don't mean it to, but if you don't like having your intelligence questioned then you can do a few things. Minor things like punctuating and capitalizing correctly would help a bit. You know, making sure your writing is up to stuff technically. And you also kind of tend to talk at length about things you really don't know or understand. I remember when you were talking about the lack of homeless Asian folk, for instance. You also don't really seem to be much of an expert or even knowledgeable about art, so talking out of your butt about these things is going to make people question your intelligence.

[curefreak]

This is so going to sound snotty and I so don't mean it to, but if you don't like having your intelligence questioned then you can do a few things. Minor things like punctuating and capitalizing correctly would help a bit. You know, making sure your writing is up to stuff technically. And you also kind of tend to talk at length about things you really don't know or understand. I remember when you were talking about the lack of homeless Asian folk, for instance. You also don't really seem to be much of an expert or even knowledgeable about art, so talking out of your butt about these things is going to make people question your intelligence.
im sorry would it make you feel better if i had a phd in anything before i spoke? whatever happened to having an opinion?

[Dan Apodaca]

anti-intellectualism? boy i must have misread that.

Either that, or you're operating on an incorrect definition of the word.

According to Dictionary.com:

an‧ti-in‧tel‧lec‧tu‧al
–noun 1.a person opposed to or hostile toward intellectuals and the modern academic, artistic, social, religious, and other theories associated with them. 2.a person who believes that intellect and reason are less important than actions and emotions in solving practical problems and understanding reality. –adjective 3.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of anti-intellectuals or their beliefs.


None of that says anything about the intelligence of the person in question.

Taking offense at a word for a meaning it doesn't have, though...

[Joe Rice]

im sorry would it make you feel better if i had a phd in anything before i spoke? whatever happened to having an opinion?

Did I say that anywhere?

Just know SOMETHING about what you're saying. Don't make opinions up out of the ether, like you've done on white supremacists, the homeless, art, and a myriad of other topics, I'm sure.

I'm trying to insult you. I'm trying to help you understand why people react the way they do.

[curefreak]

Either that, or you're operating on an incorrect definition of the word.

According to Dictionary.com:

an‧ti-in‧tel‧lec‧tu‧al
–noun 1.a person opposed to or hostile toward intellectuals and the modern academic, artistic, social, religious, and other theories associated with them. 2.a person who believes that intellect and reason are less important than actions and emotions in solving practical problems and understanding reality. –adjective 3.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of anti-intellectuals or their beliefs.


None of that says anything about the intelligence of the person in question.

Taking offense at a word for a meaning it doesn't have, though... i dont think im anti-intellectual just because i dont understand avant garde artwork.

[Dan Apodaca]

i dont think im anti-intellectual just because i dont understand avant garde artwork.

You're anti-intellectual because you don't want "high art" in your comics.

[curefreak]

Did I say that anywhere?

Just know SOMETHING about what you're saying. Don't make opinions up out of the ether, like you've done on white supremacists, the homeless, art, and a myriad of other topics, I'm sure.

I'm trying to insult you. I'm trying to help you understand why people react the way they do.
people react the way they do on here because they can get away with it .
my opinons on the stuff youve noticed comes from my experience and my experience tells me that i have never met a homeless asian person but thats not to say it doesnt exist its just that ive never seen it .
of course tulsa is not known for its asian population.
art is very subjective and when i see someone who draws magma with large swirly over the top eyes then in my subjective opinion he sucks .
are you going to tell me that when he drew batman on the 500th anniversey special and when he gave him huge crooked teeth that was acceptable artwork to you?

[Gingold]

Crooked teeth on Batman? Damn you Sienkievicz!

[Joe Rice]

people react the way they do on here because they can get away with it .
my opinons on the stuff youve noticed comes from my experience and my experience tells me that i have never met a homeless asian person but thats not to say it doesnt exist its just that ive never seen it .
of course tulsa is not known for its asian population.
art is very subjective and when i see someone who draws magma with large swirly over the top eyes then in my subjective opinion he sucks .
are you going to tell me that when he drew batman on the 500th anniversey special and when he gave him huge crooked teeth that was acceptable artwork to you?


You need to realize some fault in the way you're treated is yours. Denying that only makes things worse. Sure, people treat you unfairly and it's not all your fault, but it partially is.

You sometimes try to pass off ignorant or misinformed statements as "just your opinion." No, they're wrong.

Sienkewicz is one of the greatest artists to ever grace superhero comics. I love his work.

[curefreak]

You need to realize some fault in the way you're treated is yours. Denying that only makes things worse. Sure, people treat you unfairly and it's not all your fault, but it partially is.

You sometimes try to pass off ignorant or misinformed statements as "just your opinion." No, they're wrong.

Sienkewicz is one of the greatest artists to ever grace superhero comics. I love his work.
if people treat me unfairly then how is it my fault? i wish you people would understand me better its really starting to frustrate the hell out of me im tired of being picked on just because i dont say the politically correct things all the time
i dont think ive ever said anything ignorant i can only speak from stuff ive experience for example i cant say theres a large homeless population in tawain because ive never been there and ive never seen anything that says there is i dont understand how thats ignorant.

[Dan Apodaca]

if people treat me unfairly then how is it my fault? i wish you people would understand me better its really starting to frustrate the hell out of me im tired of being picked on just because i dont say the politically correct things all the time

What? This has nothing to do with political correctness. Nobody's misreading you. It's just that you don't like it when people disagree with you. For someone who touts the worth of opinions, that's pretty hypocritical.

And honestly, if you want people to understand you better, be more understandable. Punctuation and grammar help with that.

i dont think ive ever said anything ignorant i can only speak from stuff ive experience for example i cant say theres a large homeless population in tawain because ive never been there and ive never seen anything that says there is i dont understand how thats ignorant.

I'm drowning in irony, here. You don't understand how choosing to believe limited information is ignorant? Look, we all have our personal experiences, but you can't limit your view of the world to just what you've seen. You're intentionally closing out information that you don't already know about. You're rejecting the opportunity to learn more. You are choosing not to know, which is the definition of ignorance.

[Dan Apodaca]

art is very subjective and when i see someone who draws magma with large swirly over the top eyes then in my subjective opinion he sucks .

If you can show me where someone said you weren't allowed to dislike him, I'll concede that point to you.

Of course, you can't, because no one ever said that.

[curefreak]

What? This has nothing to do with political correctness. Nobody's misreading you. It's just that you don't like it when people disagree with you. For someone who touts the worth of opinions, that's pretty hypocritical.

And honestly, if you want people to understand you better, be more understandable. Punctuation and grammar help with that.



I'm drowning in irony, here. You don't understand how choosing to believe limited information is ignorant? Look, we all have our personal experiences, but you can't limit your view of the world to just what you've seen. You're intentionally closing out information that you don't already know about. You're rejecting the opportunity to learn more. You are choosing not to know, which is the definition of ignorance.
what is with the obsession with punctuation and grammar when people who cant spell three letter words get away with everything and noone says a word? i suck at english are you happy now?
im not limiting my view of the world just because i said that theres not many homeless asian people doesnt mean that im right or im choosing not to believe that they are homeless asian people cause im sure theyre are out there somewhere i just havent seen it and its probably not that many unless its a population thats heavy with asians.

like ive said thee thousand times today i dont mind people disagreeing with me,
i just dont like it when i get called names like stupid or ignorant or homophobic or racist, if you cant understand the huge difference there then maybe this conversation is moot, besides youre not just disagreeing with me youre calling me ignorant and wrong wich is completly different.

[Reptisaurus!]

Sienkewicz is one of the greatest artists to ever grace superhero comics. I love his work.

Agreed on the last part. Less so on the first.

Stray Toasters is one of my favorite books, but I can see how his stuff would scare the crap outta thirteen year old New Mutants fans. I don't think he WAS right for the material.

Only superhero thing he's done that I've really liked was the Bendis written Ultimate Punisher/Daredevil story.

I'd call 'im a hell of an artist, one of my faves. But a questionable fit for superhero comics, most of the time.

[curefreak]

If you can show me where someone said you weren't allowed to dislike him, I'll concede that point to you.

Of course, you can't, because no one ever said that.
no what you said was that i was wrong because i wasnt experience enough.
but on the other hand somoene calling me an anti intellectual because i dislike his art seems pretty close to saying im not allowed to dislike him in my opinion.

[Dan Apodaca]

no what you said was that i was wrong because i wasnt experience enough.
but on the other hand somoene calling me an anti intellectual because i dislike his art seems pretty close to saying im not allowed to dislike him in my opinion.

Well, if you want to believe that, that's your right. But don't put the blame on me for your misinterpretation.

[curefreak]

Well, if you want to believe that, that's your right. But don't put the blame on me for your misinterpretation.
argh this is more frustrating than trying to play my xbox games.

[Dan Apodaca]

what is with the obsession with punctuation and grammar when people who cant spell three letter words get away with everything and noone says a word?

Like who?

im not limiting my view of the world just because i said that theres not many homeless asian people doesnt mean that im right or im choosing not to believe that they are homeless asian people cause im sure theyre are out there somewhere i just havent seen it and its probably not that many unless its a population thats heavy with asians.

No, your limiting your view of the world because you're choosing to base your opinions off of your personal experience, and only that. There's a whole lot of information and knowledge in the world that doesn't intersect with your day-to-day life.

like ive said thee thousand times today i dont mind people disagreeing with me,
i just dont like it when i get called names like stupid or ignorant or homophobic or racist, if you cant understand the huge difference there then maybe this conversation is moot, besides youre not just disagreeing with me youre calling me ignorant and wrong wich is completly different.

Well, if I disagree with you, then I think you're wrong. Where's the difference? Also, I don't remember calling you stupid or racist.

The thing is, you do mind people disagreeing with you. When I disagreed with you about a certain type of art being unfit for comics, you freaked out. That's what you do when people disagree with you. You freak out and start getting super-defensive.

[Joe Rice]

Sometimes when everyone misunderstands you, you're communicating poorly.

[curefreak]

[QUOTE=Dan Apodaca]Like who?


mostly newbies none of the regulars theyre just too smart to misspell anything:rolleyes:

[curefreak]

[QUOTE=Dan Apodaca]Like who?



No, your limiting your view of the world because you're choosing to base your opinions off of your personal experience, and only that. There's a whole lot of information and knowledge in the world that doesn't intersect with your day-to-day life.



so youre saying i should do research before expressing my views on why theres not a lot of homeless asian people in the us?

[curefreak]

Like who?



No, your limiting your view of the world because you're choosing to base your opinions off of your personal experience, and only that. There's a whole lot of information and knowledge in the world that doesn't intersect with your day-to-day life.



Well, if I disagree with you, then I think you're wrong. Where's the difference? Also, I don't remember calling you stupid or racist.

The thing is, you do mind people disagreeing with you. When I disagreed with you about a certain type of art being unfit for comics, you freaked out. That's what you do when people disagree with you. You freak out and start getting super-defensive.
im not freaking out now or have i freaked out on this thread,
but im getting attacked by another person on another thread at the same time so maybe im a little sensitve
and i never said you called me stupid or racist i was speaking in general terms about people on here who disagree with my views.
but you have to admit you havent been that nice to me.

[Dan Apodaca]

mostly newbies none of the regulars theyre just too smart to misspell anything:rolleyes:

Well, if you don't tell me who, then how can I make fun of them?

[curefreak]

[quote=curefreak]

Well, if you don't tell me who, then how can I make fun of them?theres way too many of them dude and besides what if theres something wrong with them that prevents them from spelling correctly? wouldnt you feel like an ass if you found that out?

[Dan Apodaca]

theres way too many of them dude and besides what if theres something wrong with them that prevents them from spelling correctly? wouldnt you feel like an ass if you found that out?

You're the one who wants me to make fun of them.

[Dan Apodaca]

so youre saying i should do research before expressing my views on why theres not a lot of homeless asian people in the us?

Yes, exactly.

[Joe Rice]

so youre saying i should do research before expressing my views on why theres not a lot of homeless asian people in the us?

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. If there's something you know little about, educate yourself a bit before spouting off about it. The internet makes it easy.

[Dan Apodaca]

im not freaking out now or have i freaked out on this thread

Sure seemed like it. Especially the part where you complain about people picking on you.

but you have to admit you havent been that nice to me.

Definitely not. I've made fun of you a lot, because you've said some stupid things.

[curefreak]

Yes, exactly.
but cant research be one sided to what the person is looking for? and why in the world should i have to do research on everything i speak about i would be doing more research than chatting wich i dont find fun at all.
besides how many homeless asian people have you seen?

[curefreak]

Sure seemed like it. Especially the part where you complain about people picking on you.



Definitely not. I've made fun of you a lot, because you've said some stupid things.
now youve been snarky and rude and you thing you hold the key to intellectual superiority? i think you and macquarrie should get together and have lunch you two seem to have an awfull lot in common all of a sudden.

[Dan Apodaca]

besides how many homeless asian people have you seen?

I don't really keep count.

[curefreak]

I don't really keep count.
aha ! so i could be right for all you know i just havent shoved a link to my theories under youre nose to prove that im right.

[Joe Rice]

but cant research be one sided to what the person is looking for? and why in the world should i have to do research on everything i speak about i would be doing more research than chatting wich i dont find fun at all.

If you want to talk about something real, the onus is on you to know something about it. You can go ahead and talk about it ignorantly, but expect people to treat you as such.

besides how many homeless asian people have you seen?

More than I'd like.

[Josh S]

but cant research be one sided to what the person is looking for?

You could always try going to more than one source for your information.

[Dan Apodaca]

now youve been snarky and rude and you thing you hold the key to intellectual superiority? i think you and macquarrie should get together and have lunch you two seem to have an awfull lot in common all of a sudden.

Funny you should say that. MacQuarrie's an old friend and he's actually the one who introduced me to CBR.

Trust me, if I held the key to intellectual superiority, I wuoldn't waste it on a message board.

[curefreak]

do i need a source to back up my claims about winkiewicz sloppy atwork too?

[Gingold]

More than I'd like.

Racist!!!!!

[Dan Apodaca]

aha ! so i could be right for all you know i just havent shoved a link to my theories under youre nose to prove that im right.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant that I've seen lots of homeless people of every ethnicity, and I don't really keep track of which has more or less, because it doesn't matter.

[Dan Apodaca]

do i need a source to back up my claims about winkiewicz sloppy atwork too?

You need something to back up your accusation of sloppiness. Whereas the other side has plenty of documentation proving his precision and intention.

[curefreak]

nailed:
the homeless population is about 50 percent African-American, 35 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Native American and 1 percent Asian


http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/homeless.shtml

ha ha ha ha shove that up youre keister :evilsmile

[curefreak]

You need something to back up your accusation of sloppiness. Whereas the other side has plenty of documentation proving his precision and intention.
what documentation is this might i ask?
sloppyness is when you cant draw something right like when you put big swirly eyes on magma or when you draw batman with large crooked teeth
or maybe hes got a mental illness?

[Joe Rice]

nailed:
the homeless population is about 50 percent African-American, 35 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Native American and 1 percent Asian


http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/homeless.shtml

ha ha ha ha shove that up youre keister :evilsmile

So one percent is zero now? And America = the world?

[Joe Rice]

what documentation is this might i ask?
sloppyness is when you cant draw something right like when you put big swirly eyes on magma or when you draw batman with large crooked teeth
or maybe hes got a mental illness?

You can't draw things "wrong." You can draw them well or poorly, you can represent them realistically, romantically, abstractly, or in a number of other ways. But you can't do it "wrong."

[curefreak]

So one percent is zero now? And America = the world?
one percent is close to zero its impossible to have zero homeless asians (obviously) and now youre splitting hairs cause i never said the world .
but you know obviously if you dont like the results... you can retcon them out.

[curefreak]

You can't draw things "wrong." You can draw them well or poorly, you can represent them realistically, romantically, abstractly, or in a number of other ways. But you can't do it "wrong."
well ifs its done poorly then its done wrong, unless hes lazy?

[Dan Apodaca]

what documentation is this might i ask?

Interviews with him and pictures of his works, in-progress.

sloppyness is when you cant draw something right like when you put big swirly eyes on magma or when you draw batman with large crooked teeth
or maybe hes got a mental illness?

It's not sloppiness if it's intentional.

And for someone who can't handle capitalization or punctuation, you're in no position to be throwing out accusations of mental illness.

[Joe Rice]

one percent is close to zero its impossible to have zero homeless asians (obviously) and now youre splitting hairs cause i never said the world .
but you know obviously if you dont like the results... you can retcon them out.

You never said "America" either. One would assume when you say there aren't many/any Asian homeless folks that you meant what you said period.

well ifs its done poorly then its done wrong, unless hes lazy?

The examples you give are not examples of poor artwork, and definitely not lazy artwork. They are examples of artwork you do not like.

[Reptisaurus!]

Joe, Dan,

You know you've been spending the last hour of your lives arguing with a 15 year old, right? I kinda hope you've got somethin' a little more productive to do.

Like, say... anything?

[Dan Apodaca]

nailed:
the homeless population is about 50 percent African-American, 35 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Native American and 1 percent Asian


http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/homeless.shtml

ha ha ha ha shove that up youre keister :evilsmile

Well, the thing is, you've actually just scored one for US. You strengthened your argument with research, just like we told you to.

You're welcome.

[Dan Apodaca]

Joe, Dan,

You know you've been spending the last hour of your lives arguing with a 15 year old, right? I kinda hope you've got somethin' a little more productive to do.

Like, say... anything?

I'm pretty sure he's older than that, actually. How old are you, curefreak?

Besides, I don't have anything more productive to do. I'm stuck at home with a hurt back.

[curefreak]

Interviews with him and pictures of his works, in-progress.



It's not sloppiness if it's intentional.

And for someone who can't handle capitalization or punctuation, you're in no position to be throwing out accusations of mental illness.
you must really be naive if you think hes going to admit to sloppyness....
i can throw out accusations of mental illness because im not an artist and i never said i didnt have a mental ilness .

[curefreak]

I'm pretty sure he's older than that, actually. How old are you, curefreak?

Besides, I don't have anything more productive to do. I'm stuck at home with a hurt back.
im 34 if it makes any difference .

[Reptisaurus!]

im 34 if it makes any difference .

Whoah. Ok. I was wrong then. Sorry.

[Joe Rice]

He's fifteen? Jesus. I'm out.

EDIT: Out anyway.

[curefreak]

You never said "America" either. One would assume when you say there aren't many/any Asian homeless folks that you meant what you said period.



The examples you give are not examples of poor artwork, and definitely not lazy artwork. They are examples of artwork you do not like.
so if i draw a stick figure and call it batman then im not being lazy youre just not liking my artwork ? hmmmmm
when does it become lazy artwork?
i would imagine that the homeless rate for asians are much higher in ASIAN countries and less for non asian countries so i dont even know how something like that could be relevant .
the great thing about america is where a melting pot.
but like i said if you dont like the results retcon it out.

[curefreak]

He's fifteen? Jesus. I'm out.

EDIT: Out anyway.so you cant have an intellectual debate with a 15 year old?

[Dan Apodaca]

you must really be naive if you think hes going to admit to sloppyness....

Again, that's not what I meant. I've seen him talk at great lengths about his process and the intricate steps he takes when producing a piece of art. That's not something a sloppy artist does.

i can throw out accusations of mental illness because im not an artist and i never said i didnt have a mental ilness .

So what if you're not an artist? What mental illness do you have?

[Dan Apodaca]

so you cant have an intellectual debate with a 15 year old?

Not one who talks like you do.

[curefreak]

Again, that's not what I meant. I've seen him talk at great lengths about his process and the intricate steps he takes when producing a piece of art. That's not something a sloppy artist does.



So what if you're not an artist? What mental illness do you have?
maybe hes a good bullshiter.
i dont like to talk about my problems especially online.

[Josh S]

so if i draw a stick figure and call it batman then im not being lazy youre just not liking my artwork ? hmmmmm


The thing is you're not doing anything to distinguish your stick figure as Batman, other than calling him Batman to try to bolster your stance.

[curefreak]

i think from now on im just going to say " theres not many homeless asian people in tulsa" and leave it at that.

[Ryan Day]

Sienkiewicz certainly knows how to draw, and I suspect one of the reasons we don't see his art in comics regularly is because he can make far more money working in other mediums: He's done illustrations for album covers, magazines, and books, as well as designs and storyboards for film and television - including big stuff like Green Mile and The Grinch, and he's received Emmy nominations for Carmen Sandiego.

Liking his style or not is purely personal, but the man's a more accomplished artist than 90% of people working in comics. He's not a mainstream-superhero-buckle-down kind of guy, but who cares - we've got plenty of them already.

[Dan Apodaca]

i think from now on im just going to say " theres not many homeless asian people in tulsa" and leave it at that.

There you go! Now you're getting the hang of it!

[curefreak]

The thing is you're not doing anything to distinguish your stick figure as Batman, other than calling him Batman to try to bolster your stance.
well just because sinkiewicz or whatever his name is claims that its batman when it obviously is some guy with crooked teeth in a batman cape doesnt make it so.

[curefreak]

There you go! Now you're getting the hang of it!
the problem is admitting im from tulsa opens up a whole nother can of worms for people on the internet.

[curefreak]

There you go! Now you're getting the hang of it!
also to be honest its not fair because theres really not a whole lot of asian people in tulsa so i feel like it would be disengenous to say that.

[Josh S]

well just because sinkiewicz or whatever his name is claims that its batman when it obviously is some guy with crooked teeth in a batman cape doesnt make it so.

My bad. The fact that you kept saying he was drawing Batman with crooked teeth led me to believe that you thought it was Batman.

[Dan Apodaca]

also to be honest its not fair because theres really not a whole lot of asian people in tulsa so i feel like it would be disengenous to say that.

Well, no. It would actually be more honest, and might help you understand why the circumstances in your area can't be equally applied to everywhere else.

[curefreak]

My bad. The fact that you kept saying he was drawing Batman with crooked teeth led me to believe that you thought it was Batman.
im getting confused now... are we going to have an intellectual debate on wither it was batman or not ? i think i might lose that vote just cause im in the minority.

[curefreak]

Well, no. It would actually be more honest, and might help you understand why the circumstances in your area can't be equally applied to everywhere else.
you dont think that they can be applied to other places with low asian populations?

(brains melting)

[Josh S]

im getting confused now.


Then I'll just move on.

[Dan Apodaca]

you dont think that they can be applied to other places with low asian populations?

(brains melting)

Doesn't matter. That's not what you did.

[curefreak]

Doesn't matter. That's not what you did.
of course not but it doesnt answer my question.

[Dan Apodaca]

of course not but it doesnt answer my question.

You're going in circles again.

[curefreak]

You're going in circles again.
again? when did i stop?